WTF Was Wrong With Jack Holtzen?
February 27, 2009 by Jaded
Jack Holtzen and friend (MyspaceMySpace
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Shawnee, KS–The first thing to come to mind when I came across this story in the forums was, ‘WowWow reviews
. A story from Kansas. Weird.’ The second thing to come to mind was, ‘Wow. Jack Holtzen is fucking crazy!’ In the span of just half-an-hour, JackJack reviews managed to injure three women and himself.
Jack went ballistic shortly after 7:00 p.m. last Tuesday evening at The Greens at Shawnee apartment complex. A woman in her 40’s was walking to her apartment when Jack, clothed in nothing but pajama bottoms, attacked her. After ‘clothes-lining’ the woman, he dragged a few feet off the sidewalk and began punching her in the face, chest, and sides.
When the woman started screaming bloody murder, Jack ran off and dove through the window of a ground floor apartment. InsideInside reviews the apartment, another woman in her 40’s. He started choking victim number two, screaming, ‘I’m going to kill you.’ He stopped choking her and ran into another room in the apartment where the woman’s mother was caring for a 2-year-old child. He screamed profanities at her and started choking her, victim number three. Damn…crazy much?
Jack ran from the apartment and was subdued by neighbors. When police arrived, Jack managed to free himself from the neighbors and ran toward the second victim’s apartment. Again, he dove at a window, shattering it. Officers tried tazin’ the crazy tard, but the taser wasn’t working properly. Jack grabbed a shard of glass from the window and began stabbing himself in the chest and neck before officers were able to tackle and handcuff him.
Jack B. Holtzen, 24, was admitted to the hospital, where he underwent surgery for self-inflicted stab wounds. Charges were filed against Jack Wednesday morning. When he is released from the hospital, he will go directly to the pokey. His charges include three counts of aggravated assault of a law enforcement officer, two counts of battery, two counts of criminal threat, criminal damage to property, aggravated burglary and burglary of a dwelling. His bond was set at $100,000. None of the victims required hospitalization.
The motive for the attacks is unknown, but police state that Jack may have been under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or both. Ya think?
DakotaValkyrie has this one up in the forums. Thanks Dakota!
10:28 am on February 27th, 2009
Shit, I think if I was that LE officer, it may have taken me a little longer to subdue that dickhead…allowing more time for a little more self inflicted injuries…
10:40 am on February 27th, 2009
Sounds like he was on an LSD trip… with round trip…no stoppin’.
10:43 am on February 27th, 2009
That’s what I thought too. Cops are saying it’s marijuana.
10:43 am on February 27th, 2009
Almost every picture on his Myspace page has alcohol in it. Not that there’s anything wrong with having a good time, but when you get stabby with yourself and assault your neighbors you might have a problem. Idiot.
10:48 am on February 27th, 2009
laced with PCP maybe?
10:51 am on February 27th, 2009
LOL
10:51 am on February 27th, 2009
That motherfucker knows how to party!!!!
10:52 am on February 27th, 2009
Great FRIDAY story, Jaded.
10:58 am on February 27th, 2009
Surely he was on something more then just marijuana! wow
Did you read his about me on My Space:
About me:
Im a Simple idiot, a drummer, I bartend up at the locat golf club. Currently Im goin to Grad School at KSU to get an MBA. I also enjoy skinny Sking and going to bull fights on acid.
Bullfights on acid?
11:06 am on February 27th, 2009
goofy bastard
11:09 am on February 27th, 2009
Yeah cuz wacky tabacky usually brings out the crazies in all of us! lol…NOT.
Definitely do not have the ambition or mindset to randomly attack 3 people before going crazy on the cops and themselves.
Most smokers I know have about enough ambition to get to the couch, via the kitchen for snacks, and pick up the video game controller on the way
Anyway, was probably laced or this guy was loaded on booze and other things!
INSANE IN DA MEMBRANE (CRAZY INSANE…GOT NO BRAIN!)
11:09 am on February 27th, 2009
Wishes he came into my house and started shit,
He wouldn’t have made it out alive.
I do think he was on acid.He makes mention of it on his profile.
Can’t tell if he is joking or not but still..This sounds like a bad acid trip to me.
Acid is some fucked up shit.
I did it once in high school(triple dipped) and i had the absolute worst time ever!
A “scared straight experience”
My friends assured me it would be “fun” and they did it “all the time”
When I first dropped after a little while I guess I ate a piece of chicken and then bit into the bone and started wigging out crying for that chicken who “lost his life”
i thought my friends were melting we went in the car somewhere and I thought I was in a spaceship and had been abducted by aliens.And when I finally went to bed to try to escape I was sweating, the blankets were sticking to me and I thought I was now melting too.
I was motion sick and vomiting.I looked in the mirror and was freaked about how large my pupils were I could see no green only black and that scared the shit out of me.
18 hours of sheer horror.Was too scared to go to a hospital because I was a 16 year old naive kid and thought I ‘d go to jail.So I just rode it rode it out thinking”this isn’t real it will all go away” when it finally wore off I was so relieved.
Never touched it nor any hallucinogens again!
11:21 am on February 27th, 2009
jaded, did they list the brand and model number of the blow up, I was wondering how it compares to the 3rd generation Sally Sucker or the Debbie Dickme
Hopefully Swivel will come on and give us some information and how Inflata-Ballz rates this one compared to the others
11:23 am on February 27th, 2009
I think she goes by Perky Penny. I mean, check those boobs. You could put someone’s eye out with that shit….
11:27 am on February 27th, 2009
Sounds like some drug didn’t agree with him.
12:01 pm on February 27th, 2009
LSD, my ex’s drug of choice, admitted to our therapist, out loud. This drug of choice did not agree with him either.
And what are these people thinking with their myspace pages? First of all, learn to spell (MBA), and second, well, he’s not getting an MBA now anyway so I guess his acid-induced myspace won’t matter anymore.
1:01 pm on February 27th, 2009
He got this quote from the movie “Caddyshack”. No way is this fucktard even close to being that funny.
1:01 pm on February 27th, 2009
This boy likes to quote the classic’s thats for sure the above line would be from Lacy Underall in the best EVAR movie Caddyshack. His tag line of “The Peanut is neither a pea nor a nut, discuss!” Would be classic Coffe Talk with Linda Richmand aka Mike Meyers.
Hmm Imagine that he has to steal from the classic’s to be funny, and it is just typical that he is trying to steal from the Classic’s for his enterance to his criminal life, Ted Bundy.
But alas FAIL asshat!!!! LOL
**Edit for my fail Coyote beat me to it**
1:26 pm on February 27th, 2009
Can we all say PCP????
1:31 pm on February 27th, 2009
LOL
3:00 pm on February 27th, 2009
man, you just know it all, huh? well, jack just graduated from kstate with his mba in december. i just love when people speculate and they have no real perspective on the situation. free press, blah, blah, blah. but it’s ridiculous that despite all the good he has done in his life (endless volunteer work and community activism, working for non-profit organizations, service learning work in africa), that this is probably the one thing that people will remember. and what makes it worse is that he has no control over it. he has had similar episodes like this before (though not on such a grand scale) and never remembers anything. this was not drug-induced. he’s not just some crazy fuckin college kid who parties too hard. there is something really wrong here. and they need to focus on figuring out what it is, rather than criminalizing him.
5:56 pm on February 27th, 2009
“Episodes”?
What sort of assistance did he seek after last time he tried to strangle three women?
6:01 pm on February 27th, 2009
Ummmm, if he’s had these type of episodes before, then why hasn’t HE already gotten himself help, you know, like checking himself into a Mental hospital and had the gamut of tests run, on his dime? Why should taxpayers pay for his problems? Where are his parents? If he has no health insurance or his policy doesn’t cover this sort of thing, get a loan, pay for his own issues…..
So what you are telling us, is that HE knew that he could possibly be a danger to others or himself? Then he is even more at fault for not having done something about it before it came to this horrible crime……. And getting a MBA, does not take away the desire to be criminal or go berserk on your fellow man….just sayin’
6:05 pm on February 27th, 2009
And, and, Yep Yep, this INSANITY just wiped out all the “Good” that he may have previously done, cause that’s the last ACT he performed on civilization….
6:13 pm on February 27th, 2009
And if its true that he could not remember his previous episodes, WHY THE HELL DIDN’T YOU, HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BEFORE HE NEARLY KILLED HIMSELF AND THREE WOMEN!!!!!!!!!
6:20 pm on February 27th, 2009
Is it any wonder? He exerted homicidal violence against three women.
And if you want to talk about somebody lacking perspective, maybe you should take a good hard look in the mirror. All that volunteer work and community activism and work for nonprofits and service learning work in Africa and his shiny new MBA don’t give him a pass on trying to kill three women.
Then he needs to be hospitalized now before he kills somebody or attacks the wrong person who kills him in self defense.
The state or his family need to get him off the street because if they don’t somebody is going to die. If they are unable or unwilling to involuntarily commit him to a mental hospital then prison is the only choice. And if he goes after Bubba in prison then Bubba will break his neck in self defense.
–Al
7:08 pm on February 27th, 2009
Oh man the same old story…we don’t know all the facts. Has anyone ever heard the phrase “bad news travels Fucking Fast”..ok I threw in the profanity, but is that not true?
Yes, all the “good work” he did went out the window when he went coocoo for cocoa puffs!
7:15 pm on February 27th, 2009
I thought about writing “The Definitive Tard’s Guide To Defending Your Tard”, but I discovered that it already exists in crude form in the forums, probably in one of the sticky posts in “Reality Bites”.
–Al
7:42 pm on February 27th, 2009
Porcelain, I am so glad I came back to read your post. This was the funniest crap I’ve read yet.
1:37 am on February 28th, 2009
Need to find me some of that weed, man.
6:12 am on February 28th, 2009
Alcohol and drugs can only go so far in making someone do crazy things. My wild guess is despite his acomplishments, that mental illiness is slowly but surely creeping in. Call me crazy but if this came out of the blue then he got one high hell of a batch of drugs or booze.
And judging from one of the previous comments, if he was that sick, why the HELL didn’t anyone get him help. As someone who has a family member with a mentall illiness, I can tell you a few things. One, they don’t realize they’re sick, two they’re more likely to be victims of violent crime but when they do snap and get violent, look out and Three, they will abuse drugs or alcohol to help deal with some of the problems they experience and finally, if they have a good support system, they can lead productive lives.
Judging from the comments that this wasn’t his first episode, I would say he hasn’t gotten it
6:23 am on February 28th, 2009
No joke — my dad is a former cop and one time he was chasing this guy who high on PCP and acting crazy…the guy was tiny and probably weighed 150 pounds, if that. My dad had both height and weight on this guy…well, the guy ends up PICKING MY DAD UP and thorowing him over his own police car!
What a weird drug. I can totally see this guy being on PCP, his behavior is very characteristic.
7:35 am on February 28th, 2009
the point is that none of you guys know Jack.
So shut your mouths. You are speculating and spreading lies when in all fairness you need to wait for the details to come out and then talk.
Jack is a very good guy and he would never purposefully inflict harm on anyone.
Nor does he do drugs.
It is a really sad, unfortunate situation for the women who were injured especially and for Jack as well. Let them be, please!! Have some maturity about the situation.
And to everyone who is talking about the episodes, how do you know he didn’t try to get help for it. Maybe he did and the doctors couldn’t find anything wrong. So again just shut up.
Going on a website and talking trash about someone involved in a tragedy like this and you don’t know the situation doesn’t make you the bigger person. Honestly, you’ll look like a big asshole once the truth comes out.
Maybe you should devote more energy to something positive like wishing the women well instead of the negative by bashing Jack.
No one is saying his actions were okay all that is being said is that you need to give the man some respect. Something all of us deserve as HUMAN BEINGS!
Hope this sorry effort to make yourselves feel l like less of a social liability to works because one things for sure:
I doubt you will ever reach that moral platform you are trying to put yourself on above Jack.
If you and Jack switched places, and he heard someone running off at the mouth like that, he would tell the person that they should make sure they have all the facts before they went about talking about it-in the most calm, non-aggressive way,
Because he is a good person.
10:25 am on February 28th, 2009
My sympathy are with the victims and with Jack. I truly believe he has a form of mental illiness. I will freely say though while he may have gone for help in the begining, by the time it manifested to this, I doubt he knew he was sick. I also have a hard time seeing how other people didn’t notice this and that to me is inexcusable that they didn’t get him help, especially since one of his other friends mentioned this wasn’t the first time he had acted like this.
10:54 am on February 28th, 2009
That’s the first thing I thought
Maybe it was weed laced with LSD?
looking at his MySpace he looks like hes a big partier and some of the comments people have left on there.
2:20 pm on February 28th, 2009
Good people always get drunk and attack blowup dolls and post it in their “brag book” on MySpace. His whole photo album is devoted to the party scene. That tells me where his priorities lie.
If he wants to be remembered for all his good works, perhaps he should focus his public image on that and ignore the party pics.
But with all he’s been up to, I think his brain is pickled.
2:28 pm on February 28th, 2009
Is the double entendre deliberate?
No.
Detail: he tried to strangle three women.
Detail: he has had these episodes before.
Detail: of the 15 unique photos on his MS, 12 show him partying hard.
Then he needs to be put somewhere where he cannot inadvertently inflict harm on anybody like he did in this last episode of his.
I take it the toxicology screen has come back negative then?
Do you have a link?
What we are engaged in here is the Hegelian dialectic.
Did he, or didn’t he, try to get help for this?
If he did and the first doctor was unable to identify the cause of these psychotic attacks, did he get a referral to a specialist?
If he did get a referral to a specialist, what was that specialist’s specialty?
Are you familiar with the term “passive aggressive”?
And once more, “No”. I will not shut up simply because somebody with butthurt is demanding I do so.
We know these things right now:
1) Three women suffered violence at Holtzen’s hands.
2) Two of those women could have very well died at his hands. Strangulation is very dangerous; what a given person survives once can prove deadly the second time. Or the tenth. Or the fiftieth.
3) Holtzen has suffered these episodes before.
And you’re right; I am an asshole. And a sonofabitch too, don’t forget that. The assholery came when I put on the NCO stripes I wore; thesonofabitchery I was born to.
Jesus told us to pray in the closet, not on the street corner. Do you know for a fact that the people commenting here are not wishing Holtzen’s victims well, using that energy to “bash Jack” instead, or are you simply assuming that we can’t walk and chew gum at the same time?
Seems to me Holtzen didn’t afford his victims that level of respect you demand we accord him. For that matter you’re not being very respectful in your commentary, calling us liars and ignoranuses.
I got help with my psychological problems before I loaded up my pistol and my shotgun and shot up Flyover Country. The nightmares I was having of death, killing, war, murder, and suicide were keeping me from sleeping and I was rapidly becoming paranoid as a result of sleep deprivation. I now take a SSRI and a benzodiazepine to keep the nightmares at bay and I am sleeping again.
Because of your passive-aggressive bullshit I do not know whether Holtzen sought help but was rebuffed or didn’t seek help or sought help then rejected it when it was offered. Based on what I know — that he is suffering from some untreated psychological condition that caused him to run amok, injuring three women and placing two of them at risk of death at his hands — I can say that I am already on that higher moral platform.
And I’m not, right? I already said I was an asshole and a sonofabitch.
“All the facts”? No such thing. We already have the relevant facts — Holtzen suffers from some sort of episode where he loses his inhibitions, he put two women in danger of death during the last one, he injured a third innocent woman, and he injured himself badly enough this last time that he needed surgery to repair the damage. Given those facts, he is a danger to the community and to himself and needs involuntary commitment to a psychiatric institution where he can be properly diagnosed and treated.
–Al
2:33 pm on February 28th, 2009
I am putting my money on PCP with RunecirE.
6:55 pm on February 28th, 2009
well, let’s clear up all this bullshit, shall we?
the last episodes he had were nowhere near this serious.
he has seeked extensive help on several occasions, from different professionals and they were unable to figure out what was causing this, even after dozens of tests were run.
we all know that journalist’s love to sensationalize stories. yeah, you can die from strangulation. but you can also die from drinking too much water. none of these women required hospitalization.
no one here is saying that what he did was right, but is there not a difference between a person who voluntarily commits crimes like this, and someone who has no control over their doing? it seems unfair to compare him to the stereotypical felon who has no regard for other people. if this had been the case, then, yes, who he was up to this point would have no relevance. but no person in their right mind would self inflict the wounds that he suffered. what happened was extremely unfortunate and i sympathize with these women. but the point is that, his actions were not intentional, and maybe this should be considered when passing judgment on his character.
7:39 pm on February 28th, 2009
Yes. Let’s.
So you’re telling me he is getting worse?
That’s not good.
MRI? Blood work? Continuous EEG monitoring and recording? Urinalysis following an episode? Radioencephelogram? All were normal?
If I were Jack I think I’d start over with a different primary care physician coordinating all my care. But that’s just me.
Well, I’m not a journalist. I am a former NCO. That means I was in the military for some time in order to get promoted to NCO status. I do know something about the use of force. And it wasn’t all booklearning either.
Yes, you can die from drinking too much water. It’s called “hyponatremia” — literally, too little salt. The brain swells and destroys the brain stem. And your heart stops. The average person will never suffer hyponatremia.
You can also die from getting your vagal nerve stimulated during a strangulation. Tickle it and pop — your heart stops. Or maybe it doesn’t this time. But one doesn’t know about the next time until it happens.
Would his future victims be any less dead if he killed them during an episode instead of them being murdered?
I am assuming the differential diagnoses he has undergone so far have positively ruled out epilepsy and a brain tumor. Have they ruled out parasites he may have been infected by while he was in Africa? Have they ruled out any of the relapsing fevers, malaria, dengue, or any of the others? Is he seeing a tropical medicine specialist? Yeah yeah I know — hoofbeats, horses, and zebras. Still, I bear scars because a physician didn’t think somebody as young as I was at the time could suffer from that particular malady.
–Al
6:34 pm on March 1st, 2009
Al…you’re a dick. Pretty much all there is to it.
Do you have nothing better to do all day than sit on this particular site slamming people in the news? I know you’ll come back with some awesome response like you’re a rocket scientist who shits sunshine blah blah blah…dissecting every defense for Jack like you have to decide his fate and you want us all to see your side makes you look like a judgemental ass, and it’s the people like you that will end up in hell…not people who are as good hearted as Jack.
Normally I wouldn’t come on here and retaliate to anything I saw, but it’s insane the way you consistently have something to say…even when it’s irrelevant to the story as a whole (who freaking cares that you know the word for dying from water…we all have google, too, brainiac).
The point is that you know nothing about Jack except for this one thing. And it’s the most heartbreaking thing that his family and friends are dealing with. Trust me, I haven’t slept in days because I have nightmares about it…he is one of the kindest, most thoughtful, amazing people I have ever known, and what was said by someone earlier is the complete truth: if it were someone else in this situation, he would never judge them without knowing the facts.
You don’t know the facts. You don’t know what happened before in his episodes…you don’t know that there were NO traces of PCP or any such drug found in his system…I know these things. His friends and family know these things. All you’re out to do is hurt his family and friends and do all you can to make things worse for us. You are no better than people who purposefully go out with the intention to inflict pain. I can’t imagine how he feels right now. I can’t imagine that when this is over, he’ll have to read this shit online about himself…none of these actions are any reflection of the person I’ve known for years, and we’re all doing what we can to support each other, and we all want him to get better and back to normal.
Karma’s a bitch, dude…hope it doesn’t come back to you…
6:41 pm on March 1st, 2009
And since you seem to know so much about what we’re doing wrong in trying to help him, why don’t you drag your happy omnipotent ass down to Kansas and fix him…you obviously have all the answers!!!
6:46 pm on March 1st, 2009
Why the name calling? He speak the truth and you are pissed?
I like reading what he has to say, I find that he is not only funny he is very smart so it wouldn’t surprise me if he was a rocket scientist who could shit sunshine and more than likely moonshine
I didn’t know that one could die from having our vagal nerve stimulated while being strangled but now thanks to AL I know that and I will never let my husband strangle me while we are bumping uglies
Thank you Al for sharing your wisdom with us.
7:03 pm on March 1st, 2009
I could USE some sunshine!
I actually enjoyed reading what Al wrote as well.
Smack- I am sure it must be hard. I do feel sorry for his family and friends. I can not imagine what they are going through right now having to deal with this.
We only see Jack as in the article and what he did. It is hard for one to see the “good side” of him after reading something like this.
All I can say is I HOPE Jack gets the help he desperately needs.
7:33 pm on March 1st, 2009
No. I think you are. What’s with the name-calling? Al has and always will be one of my favorite posters and his comments are always informing as well as entertaining. I always enjoy reading them, especially when he is educating the uneducated. *hint*
I think his views are always consistent with every story. He gives a lot of insight to the subject at hand, and I appreciate that. I care what he has to say and he has a right to his opinions, as you do, but I don’t think you should subject yourself to name-calling because you can no longer step up to the plate and debate logically without resorting to such. Al is a very good debater! I might be wrong, but I have never witnessed him resorting to such tactics.
Keep posting, Al. I always look forward to your comments!
7:46 pm on March 1st, 2009
Maybe, instead of breaking out the judgementalism on me without cause, you should drag Jack’s happy ass to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota. It is bluntly obvious, given what smiley08 and melodicdrama are saying, that the Kansas doctors are not helping and he is getting worse.
Uh huh. In this comment I am suggesting you take him to the Mayo Clinic. They deal with all the tough cases — but somehow or other they manage to solve a huge number of them.
In the last comment I made I asked if he was seeing a tropical medicine specialist. The reason I asked that is I doubt the typical family practice or general practice doctor is well versed in African diseases and parasites.
And I’m just out to hurt Jack and his friends and family.
Get him to Mayo.
It probably will. I am at risk of developing nvCJD because of my military service. If I do then you can chortle in your beer that your veiled curse was effective. “Yeah, I put the evil eye on that sonofabitch Al and now he’s suffering exactly like Jack did”.
I am going to suggest now that, instead of telling me to shut up because I don’t have all the facts, instead of calling me a liar, instead of calling me a dick, instead of calling me an asshole, instead of waxing passive-aggressive on me, instead of implying I need Google to know enough emergency medicine to keep my troops breathing, instead of making unfounded claims about my person and my motivation, and instead of calling through the veils upon Karma to destroy me, that you get him an appointment at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota for the earliest possible date then get him there on that date.
Get. Him. To. Mayo.
–Al
7:47 pm on March 1st, 2009
Al is a good debater and his remarks are usually right on. If nothing else, calling someone a dick shows poor skills in debating.
As for your friend, it’s obvious he needs help. And if this isn’t his first time having a break, then it’s obvious whatever help he got before wasn’t enough
2:17 am on March 2nd, 2009
I’m not in the least worried about my debating skills, and I’m not out to defend myself in this situation whatsoever…say what you want about me and what I say to defend a great friend…
I’m out to prove a point. Apparently a point no one in this comment space is willing to even bring into mind what’s being said here…
And by the way…debaters without all the facts are nothing….
ANYONE WHO LOVES JACK LIKE I DO, I COMMEND YOU FOR DEFENDING HIM. ANYONE WHO DOESN’T KNOW HIM, ALL I ASK IS THAT YOU BACK OFF FOR A LITTLE BIT. COME ON…REALLY…ALL I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT THIS IS AMAZINGLY HURTFUL…PLEASE CONSIDER FEELINGS IF YOU CAN…I JUST WANT TO PROTECT MY FRIEND AND EVERYONE WHO CARES ABOUT HIM…IS THAT NOT WHAT GOD PUT US ON THIS EARTH FOR? TO CARE FOR OTHER MANKIND?
ANYONE WHO DOESN’T KNOW THE HARD COLD FACTS ABOUT HIM OR THE SITUATION AT HAND…PLEASE KNOW ALL OF THE FACTS BEFORE YOU CONDEMN A PERSON AS WONDERFUL AS HE IS. HE NEEDS HELP. BOTTOM LINE. BUT AS WE’VE ALL HEARD “LET HE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE”
PLEASE DON’T COME BACK WITH “I’VE NEVER STRANGLED OR HURT SOMEONE” TO MAKE YOURSELF SUPERIOR…HE WOULD NEVER DO THIS KNOWINGLY. WE’LL GET HIM HELP. PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL. HE FEELS HORRIBLE AND I’M SURE HE WILL MAKE THE PROPER AMENDS.
Of course a 24 year old college kid has partying pics up on his myspace…if you looked at mine, you’d see the same…doesn’t mean he’s out to hurt or to get smashed and do what he did. This is serious.
And really? You didn’t drink in college? There just wasn’t an open forum for posting these pictures back then.
Please go back and look at all of his achievements and talk to people who know the kid before putting this stuff up.
And by the way…no matter how much you like reading his comments and getting into his “intellect”….Al is still a jerk…do you know him, either? Personally?…
The internet is not what you think it is…it’s full of knowledge that someone wouldn’t necessarily otherwise have…while you think he’s witty and entertaining…he’s doing the devil’s work and you don’t even know it…
Think about that for a little while…
7:45 am on March 2nd, 2009
*fart*
Added KCTV video report to story.
8:25 am on March 2nd, 2009
Somebody once said that about Ted Bundy…
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