They don’t - the state recieves a bonus for increased adoptions as I understand it - which some people argue makes them unreasonably quick to remove a highly adoptable infant and rush to terminate parental rights. Now I have no opinion on this either way, not having researched it any, but I’m aware that people (the disgruntled kind,) accuse social services departments across the country of this.

I just feel they spend a lot of time and money on the wealthy and tend to avoid the poor :-) If publicity is unlikely DCS is invisible

I didn’t know DCS (made a profit) got paid to remove children from their homesSo their lack of funding is due to their total lack of follow through and ineffective management?Sounds like a catch 22. They can’t do the job because they lack funds, they lack funds because they don’t do their job

They don't - the state recieves a bonus for increased adoptions as I understand it - which some people argue makes them unreasonably quick to remove a highly adoptable infant and rush to terminate parental rights. Now I have no opinion on this either way, not having researched it any, but I'm aware that people (the disgruntled kind,) accuse social services departments across the country of this.

I didn’t know DCS (made a profit) got paid to remove children from their homes
So their lack of funding is due to their total lack of follow through and ineffective management?
Sounds like a catch 22. They can’t do the job because they lack funds, they lack funds because they don’t do their job

Now maybe it was all tongue in cheek that I'm failing to pick up on since I missed this conversation when it happened - but were people *seriously* suggesting we empower private companies and offer them a profit motive to remove children from their families and sell them to some other family? Because that's just purely ridiculous on it's face. Some of the most horrific CPS failures we've featured here on DD track back to failures of private service providers contracted by CPS agencies, and theoretically they're still supervised by the government. CPS already gets accused of removing children and placing them with nonrelatives based on the federal dollars it brings to the department. Who really wants to cement a system where removal decisions are so frankly based on how profitable or unprofitable a particular child will be to a private company? You know, I'm just going to chalk that up as a joke and stop shaking my head over it, lol.

MASTERBATE! Hell, if a penis is what it takes... buy cucumbers every damn week! Man, see what these bitches make me stoop to? Yeah, most of them are so damn ugly, they are desparate for the first prick that comes along, and oft times they are REAL PRICKS in every sense of the word. So, ugly horney bitches... CUCUMBERS! At least your kids will still be breathing in the morning...stupid cunts.

Hey RunecirE - I get so sad and frustrated, like everyone here, reading about the horrible things done to children and the failure of CPS to protect them. . . . . . . but I’m not going to try and argue with you because you’re in there actually doing something about it - and did I hear you correctly - you take in teens? Wow - you’re my hero!

Thank you, that's very kind. Because I'm a single DAD and have to work, the boys have to be somewhat self-sufficient between the time they get home from school and I get home from work.

hahaha...Hell, he's nasty, she's nastier, but DAYUM, Bubba got him some "young stuff"!!!

That far back in the mountains, the standards get a lot lower with the IQ's.

(and yes, I live in GA, and have gone thru these parts before while travelling--You don't stop for long cause the stupid, that is most mountain-people, looks like it will rub off!)

Things like brushing your hair or your teeth, or feeding your kids, or NOT BEATING THEM are things that these people just don't learn. The ignorance of some of them that have never had the money or reason to leave the backwoods is phenomenal.

this is awful. And DAY-UM but she is one UGERLY SOW. She looks like the evil twin of Petunia the Pig. He looks like all stupid redneck inbred assholes everywhere. Probably can't read or write, but he's reall good at beating up little children.
Can anyone say vigilante justice?? Gimme a Hell Yeah for Lynch Mob...

Swafford’s relatives are outraged…they began noticing signs of abuse at about the same time Justice and Swafford began dating. Jeremiah’s grandmother, Kathy Jean Swafford, who cared for him from the day he was born until the day he began living with his mother and Justice, noticed frequent black eyes and bruises on his little body. When she asked her daughter about the abuse, Kathy Lynn always had an excuse ready. For the black eye? He’d been at a birthday party and ‘the kids started picking on him and beat him up.’ His swollen face? An allergic reaction to a bee sting.

While I was reading this part.. I couldnt help but wonder why the family hadnt called CPS as soon as they noticed the abuse... but then I kep reading and read this...

Jeremiah’s grandmother and great aunt said they contacted the Department of Social Services on several occasions and filed numerous complaints. Nada. Detectives say they conducted a thorough investigation in late December that included the Department of Social Services. DSS would neither confirm nor deny their involvement in Jeremiah’s case. However, records show two abuse complaints were filed, one on December 30 and one on February 13, the day before Jeremiah died. Sounds to me like the family’s cries for help were ignored.

Now I guess Im not really familiar with the CPS and laws regarding their obligations .. maybe because I have a normal family... but concidering this was braught to their attention and they did nothing and now the child is dead... is CPS responsible at all for not acting? I think they should be! If you cant go to CPS then where can you go.... ya know? Wow...just wow....

Oh, and Morbid - That is a dead on likeness... That stopped my tears (for a moment).

Kathy is a fat ass whore who cared more about the dick than she did her child. Rot in hell fucking bitch

Ya think. Fat fucking whore!!! How can any mother sit by and let some fucker hurt their child. I was in tears at his precious face - AND HE'S NOT MY FUCKING CHILD!! I hope that this worthless cunt and her groom from hell fucking die in prison.

RIP baby. That monster can't hurt you now.

What a dumb bitch.
You know I can understand she was possibly desperate for some dick.
But she can buy one for 10 dollars at any adult store.
Atleast it won't have to lie to her and tell her she's pretty or blow it's entire paycheck on her dinner tab OR KILL HER KID.

Pathetic bitch!
I want to get some of that amazing glue I see on infomercials and glue your piss flaps shut!

I am so sick of seeing this SHIT!
NO MAN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR CHILD YOU DUMB WHALECUNT!

Good question. I am as infuriated as you. My life is centered on helping kids. That’s what I do. Yeah, I have a job, but Fostering is my LIFE. I wish I could have been there when it happened and put a 40cal Through the head of the one responsible. As long as I am defending myself or a third party from serious bodily injury, my actions are TOTALLy defendable.

Hey RunecirE - I get so sad and frustrated, like everyone here, reading about the horrible things done to children and the failure of CPS to protect them. . . . . . . but I'm not going to try and argue with you because you're in there actually doing something about it - and did I hear you correctly - you take in teens? Wow - you're my hero!

I agree with the posts about the $$ and the disfunction of the system etc...CPS is for sure not doing enough for whatever reason etc But to me the ultimate responsibility falls on the ugly ass shoulders of the beasts that commited these horrible acts upon this child. I am sickened to read that his tubes were not out of his ears..GOD that is so wrong. All those beatings all that rage all that hatred I have no words- really. URG. This moster-mom probably had delusional ideas of getting a husband and having a family, so she had to take the baby back...only to decide he was more trouble to her than it was worth???...I dont even want to try to think what she was thinking because unless I was like her I couldnt really ever understand!!!

Honestly, I try to keep up, but the economics... well, there's a reason I'm not an accountant. But I am good at human emotion and behavioral psychology. One reason I became a Foster Parent. The human creature facinates me. Why! that is the one question that drives me harder than any other. Why did he do this...Why did they not do that...Why would she leave the baby with him...and so on.
The sad fact is, I have seen the system from the inside, and I have seen the caseworkers frustrated at having to return the child(ren), knowing full well they would be right back out there the next month to save them again.

I don't know how other depts are run, but REUNIFICATION is the first primary Treatment Plan for this one. When that fails, then they move to Long-Term Foster or Adoption. But always reunification first. That is what is required by LAW.

I have also seen caseworkers push the envelope for the parents because they know the parents are really trying to do better, and I have seen the CW do only the bare minimum to help the parent because the CW knows what the outcome is going to be...LONG -Term Foster with hopes for adoption.

O/T except for the private prison thing-- but has no one seen this?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/AL...

Corrupt judges paid to detain youths in private jails

20 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — Two former judges in Pennsylvania have admitted to receiving more than 2.6 million dollars in pay-offs from companies that run private prisons for sending them minors for detention or disciplinary camps.

There's a lot more at the url.

Lizard, Biteme,
I understand what you are all saying. I had not intended to get sucked into the $ argument. Fine, figure out a way to pay all of the necessary bills with government-subsidized private funds or non-governement-subsidized privated funds.
These companies you come up with will still have to operate according to the policies and laws of each state. And in the state of Colorado, a person must only meet the MINIMUM PARENTAL ABILITY standard. If they do, the dept MUST return the kids. Did you hear that? By LAW they MUST RETURN THE KIDS.
This goes way beyond just paying the bills. It is in the LAWS of our states where we must make changes.

RunecirE, no one getting sucked in, just good discussion about a terrible situation
we all feel strongly about, saving children

Lizard, Biteme,
I understand what you are all saying. I had not intended to get sucked into the $ argument. Fine, figure out a way to pay all of the necessary bills with government-subsidized private funds or non-governement-subsidized privated funds.
These companies you come up with will still have to operate according to the policies and laws of each state. And in the state of Colorado, a person must only meet the MINIMUM PARENTAL ABILITY standard. If they do, the dept MUST return the kids. Did you hear that? By LAW they MUST RETURN THE KIDS.
This goes way beyond just paying the bills. It is in the LAWS of our states where we must make changes.

I know the system sucks, I know governmental organization SUCKS, but unitl someone comes up with a VIABLE answer for ALL of the problems, I will continue to do my little part to save these kids and help to improve the system with what little influence I have. What else can I do?

The money has to come from somewhere.

Unless you get a shitload of really rich people to donate, how are you ever going to make this work as a private business or charitable organization.

Easy. You take the public money that now supports what often are bloated, inefficient, and top-heavy public child welfare agencies and contract out to private firms/organizations.

No one is going to deny that there are many caring, selfless people working in the child welfare field. swivel's question relates to the ability of the government to effectively and efficiently carry out the activities required to protect children.

OK, I can see a prison making money off of cheap labor, but DHS? How would you turn that into a business. You going to charge the Foster parents, We’re barely making it as it is, and forget Childsupport. Both Fathers in my cases are in arrears for thousands that will never get paid.

They're not making money off cheap labor, they're making money, by not paying billions to prison administrators having a scotch at the country club, trying to decide if they should go to Vegas or Hawaii for their next budget meeting. I don't think UPS or the other parcel services are making money instead of loosing money like the post office because of cheap labor. Look I'm not trying to be difficult but you'll have to look up how the deferent states and contracts are dealt with and why it's profitable to both the state and the companies involved, but it's not because of cheap labor, and even if it was why couldn't the state take advantage of the cheap labor instead of being inefficient and losing more money every year, now private companies are profitable on less money.

Sounds to me like the family’s cries for help were ignored.

THAT is a crime in iteself! CPS is failing children all over this country! All over the World! I said so the other day and I will keep saying so...

With soooooo manyyyyyy men on the planet (i.e. penis and more penis), I will never for the life of me begin to understand how and why these women, so called 'mothers', are so desperate for a man in their life that they will settle for one who abuses their kids?! I mean, if you meet someone, you click, he punches your kid in the face, simple: CALL THE COPS! Press charges. Take your kid to the damn hospital! It's not rocket science!

The "But I love him" defense does NOT fly, bitch! Not when your kids are involved! You carried that baby and gave birth! How can you put a penis over your progeny?!

I will NEVER understand or sympathize w/ these women. Children are vulnerable to their environments and need to be protected. Child abusers are the SCUM OF THE EARTH. All of them.

Lol, 2boysmom, that creature is “Sigmund the Sea Monster”, from the Series staring a teenage Johnny Walker.
Sigmund was played by Billy Barty.
HTH

Good job! I was baffled and wondered myself.

The money has to come from somewhere.

Unless you get a shitload of really rich people to donate, how are you ever going to make this work as a private business or charitable organization.

people aren’t giving, just like the many prisons now run by private companiesMore efficient, private company profitable and costing the state less, you’ll see more and more private companies contracting government jobs in the future.It’s happening now and will increase in the future.

OK, I can see a prison making money off of cheap labor, but DHS? How would you turn that into a business. You going to charge the Foster parents, We're barely making it as it is, and forget Childsupport. Both Fathers in my cases are in arrears for thousands that will never get paid.

Agreed, but how many time have you seen people walk right past the RED KETTLES?
How many people, if their taxes were not being funneled to the depts already, would give to these Privately owned andf operated Facilities? And what would happen when the funds ran out?

people aren't giving, just like the many prisons now run by private companies
More efficient, private company profitable and costing the state less, you'll see more and more private companies contracting government jobs in the future.
It's happening now and will increase in the future.

It was reported that the child had a tube knocked out of his ear and a hand print visible on his swollen face. Bruises on his tiny body. And he was still allowed to remain in the home? Why?

Good question. I am as infuriated as you. My life is centered on helping kids. That's what I do. Yeah, I have a job, but Fostering is my LIFE. I wish I could have been there when it happened and put a 40cal Through the head of the one responsible. As long as I am defending myself or a third party from serious bodily injury, my actions are TOTALLy defendable.

Government agencies have always been and always will be inefficient, because needed field agents constantly fall to budget cuts to make room for more useless top administrators with no accountability other than party connections / donations

Agreed, but how many time have you seen people walk right past the RED KETTLES?
How many people, if their taxes were not being funneled to the depts already, would give to these Privately owned andf operated Facilities? And what would happen when the funds ran out?

And this is what I based my comment on....

Jeremiah’s grandmother and great aunt said they contacted the Department of Social Services on several occasions and filed numerous complaints. Nada. Detectives say they conducted a thorough investigation in late December that included the Department of Social Services.

It was reported that the child had a tube knocked out of his ear and a hand print visible on his swollen face. Bruises on his tiny body. And he was still allowed to remain in the home? Why?

That really is the issue... Yeah DHS gets a thumbs down, but it seems like more and more asshats are coming out of the woodwork. There is a reason why DHS is overwhelmed, and its because of the PUKES that are pictured above.

Government run Depts have their shortcomings, but I would rather put my faith in a government run childprotection than a private one. I am a foster parent and I have seen the good and the bad. I have seen What happens when they return a child too soon, but the effect on the child from not being returned at all can be devastating to them. There can be no Blanket policies when it comes to child welfare. A parent that screws up and then fixes their life should be allowed to have their children back, with ongoing monitoring.
Problem is…most agencies are so overwhelmed that they cannot handle the caseloads. Because of my personal circumstances, both of my caseworkers meet at my house for the monthly visitation AFTER THE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY GONE HOME FOR THE DAY. That’s right, they go out of their way to help me because homes that will take teens are few and far between. Most teens get thrown into group homes. Dissociative disorders run rampant in group homes, and thats just a small example.
Nothing is ever as easy as it would seem. Playing armchair QB is not helpful, it only hurts. There are a lot of good people out there who have dedicated their lives to helping children. Don’t slam them all because there are problems.

I have never seen an efficient government run agency, no competition, no real expectations, no accountability, keep your nose clean, don't do anything, don't ever admit to anything and you have a lifetime job with multiple promotions, just don't do anything, don't rock the boat and you'll go far=no expectation=no accountability=failure=child services. I'm talking upper management not the poor sole in the field trying to make a deference.
If the post office had been private it would have been efficient and one of the most profitable businesses in the world, but it was government and run like child services, so now you have UPS and so on private efficient and profitable companies taking over.
give me private and accountability any day.
Government agencies have always been and always will be inefficient, because needed field agents constantly fall to budget cuts to make room for more useless top administrators with no accountability other than party connections / donations

You know these two fuckers don't even deserve the air they breath. They are worthless pieces of shit who I hope rot. This is plain disgusting. I feel for the family.

However, records show two abuse complaints were filed, one on December 30 and one on February 13, the day before Jeremiah died.

This is what I was basing my comment on.

Having been involved with caseworkers for many years now, it is sad to watch the shifts in personalities as the years go by.

All or most start off believing they can save the world. By the end of the first year, reality has already reared its ugly head and the frustrations with their own dept, with the foster parents, and with the bio-parents have taken their toll. Burn-out is prevalent among caseworkers, and most are lucky to make it 5 years.

They know how to CYA when they need to, but we as the public have forced them into that position. We attack when we do not know all of the details. We fire salvos before we even know all of the circumstances involved.
I know the relatives tried, but 2 complaints in two months…NOT ENOUGH!

It is my understanding that the family made several complaints...not just one or two.

Agree!I don’t know how many times I’ve said it,FUCK CPS in every county & state, I don’t care what fucking letters they use or what they call themselves in what state. They are the worse managed, most useless department in government. I don’t want people telling me how we only hear the bad, and never hear about all the good they do.FUCK child services and whoever manages them in every state in the nation

You have no clue what would happen if this agency shut down...The lives it would affect...The children that MIGHT HAVE been saved would be LOST...

Until we are willing to fork over the tax money and vote for the politicians and help influence the policies that govern these depts, we have no room to critisize.

Yeah they fuck up, but don't we all. Yeah they miss a few, would you do any better?

Thanks so much, Siobhan! I watched it as a girl and I HAD to know!!! Thanks again!

Morbid,
I have a lot of work to do today. Just barely enough to keep up with you guys…SO THE LITTLE GREEN OCTOPUS IS WORRYING THE SHIT OUT OF ME. I first thought it was from HR PuffnStuff…I googled with no luck. Then I google Jack Wilde…come on it was a kid show from the 70’s and I know it so well…The name and the character please!
P.S. I didn’t know Jack was dead. See it pays to read about Big Pieces of Shit. You learn something!

Lol, 2boysmom, that creature is "Sigmund the Sea Monster", from the Series staring a teenage Johnny Walker.
Sigmund was played by Billy Barty.
HTH

They know how to CYA when they need to, but we as the public have forced them into that position. We attack when we do not know all of the details. We fire salvos before we even know all of the circumstances involved.
I know the relatives tried, but 2 complaints in two months...NOT ENOUGH!

Two complaints a day if I seriously suspect abuse. No SHIT. If I don't see results, I work my way up the ladder until results happen. Sometimes, that's what you have to do. Especially if its someone you love.

CPS what the hell were you thinking? The family filed numerous complaints and nothing was done?
Every stinking person involved in CPS should be in jail as well.
RIP Jeremiah

Agree!
I don't know how many times I've said it,
FUCK CPS in every county & state, I don't care what fucking letters they use or what they call themselves in what state. They are the worse managed, most useless department in government. I don't want people telling me how we only hear the bad, and never hear about all the good they do.
FUCK child services and whoever manages them in every state in the nation

I have had plenty of problems within my own dept., but usually they are quick to correct it.

yeah, And every time DSHS or DSS or whatever its called in other states makes a “wont confirm or deny” statement its always cause they know they fucked up,Just MY opinion. He’s a putrid pile of filth and her,look at her nasty ass. OINK!

I am certainly not defending all dept's. So many of them need complete overhauls from top to bottom, but who has the money for that. That, however is the advantage of public vs private. If the private loses its funding...whoosh...gone...and now the kids it was monitoring...whoosh...gone.

Locally, we have yearly conferences between DHS, Foster parents, and state admin. to discuss areas of concern. Happy to say, they listen to us, and though they may not always get the results we hope for, they do get results.

The problem with CPS is that it is usually the first to be hit with cuts in a budget crunch. There are people that work that don't care but most are simply overwhelmed and while they usually do their best, sometimes all they can do is cross their fingers and pray.

Morbid,
I have a lot of work to do today. Just barely enough to keep up with you guys...SO THE LITTLE GREEN OCTOPUS IS WORRYING THE SHIT OUT OF ME. I first thought it was from HR PuffnStuff...I googled with no luck. Then I google Jack Wilde...come on it was a kid show from the 70's and I know it so well...The name and the character please!
P.S. I didn't know Jack was dead. See it pays to read about Big Pieces of Shit. You learn something!

Jeremiah’s grandmother and great aunt said they contacted the Department of Social Services on several occasions and filed numerous complaints. Nada. Detectives say they conducted a thorough investigation in late December that included the Department of Social Services. DSS would neither confirm nor deny their involvement in Jeremiah’s case. However, records show two abuse complaints were filed, one on December 30 and one on February 13, the day before Jeremiah died. Sounds to me like the family’s cries for help were ignored.

yeah, And every time DSHS or DSS or whatever its called in other states makes a "wont confirm or deny" statement its always cause they know they fucked up,Just MY opinion. He's a putrid pile of filth and her,look at her nasty ass. OINK!

Government run Depts have their shortcomings, but I would rather put my faith in a government run childprotection than a private one. I am a foster parent and I have seen the good and the bad. I have seen What happens when they return a child too soon, but the effect on the child from not being returned at all can be devastating to them. There can be no Blanket policies when it comes to child welfare. A parent that screws up and then fixes their life should be allowed to have their children back, with ongoing monitoring.
Problem is...most agencies are so overwhelmed that they cannot handle the caseloads. Because of my personal circumstances, both of my caseworkers meet at my house for the monthly visitation AFTER THE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY GONE HOME FOR THE DAY. That's right, they go out of their way to help me because homes that will take teens are few and far between. Most teens get thrown into group homes. Dissociative disorders run rampant in group homes, and thats just a small example.
Nothing is ever as easy as it would seem. Playing armchair QB is not helpful, it only hurts. There are a lot of good people out there who have dedicated their lives to helping children. Don't slam them all because there are problems.

There have been too many cases like this on our site. The signs of abuse are fucking billboards that can't be missed, but nothing is done.

Coming down hard on the agencies who are supposed to help protect these kids just creates a hostile environment that will lead to typical government sloth, waste, and inefficiency.

I propose this: We dissolve all government agencies designed to protect children. The government can't handle renewing our drivers licenses or coming up with an understandable tax code, why the hell should we entrust them with our kids?

All you have to do is walk into a privately-run license/tag joint in Florida to see the difference. Or go to a small shipping store and compare it to your local post office. There should be some way to privatize child care services so that we have compassionate, interested people working there.

I know it would feel "dirty", but there would have to be a profit motive for tracking these abusers down and protecting the children. Without that motive we have bureaucratic ineptitude. Either give the same tax money to small firms which compete for contracts, or levy fines on the abusers to cover the costs. Maybe the same people could take over our bizarre adoption and foster systems.

This has more to do then her "penis". This grandmother raised that baby until Oct. (it sounds like) so there's no reason for her not to have given that baby back or not take care of him at all. She wouldn't have been choosing the penis over her kid, because she never raised him to begin with.

I don't think she liked her own kid at all...

What a wonderful world we live in when Britney Spears can lose custody of her children * no physical abuse* and here we have a poor defenseless NO NAME 2 year old who gets beaten on a regular basis and CPS doesnt care. That fat pig and her husband should be 6 feet under not him and I'd gladly put them down free of charge.

The poor baby never had a chance with a stupid selfish mother like that. She cared more about her happiness than the life of her child. I really wish someone would of listened to the grandmother. RIP Jeremiah.

That pic of little Jeramiah made me wanna cry. How can someone abuse a sweet little child like that? I'll never get it. And of course CPS did nothing when they were actually needed. I've stated here before that my husband and I are fighting BS charges to get our two daughters back and yet the children who NEED to be taken stay with the parents. Check out www.fightCPS.com (to the main writers here theyre may be some article material for you guys)

So much for NC Dept of Social Services! They failed this little boy and his granny and aunt miserably! Nasty fucking pieces of shit! Pure hog slop!

Kathy is a fat ass whore who cared more about the dick than she did her child. Rot in hell fucking bitch

CPS what the hell were you thinking? The family filed numerous complaints and nothing was done?
Every stinking person involved in CPS should be in jail as well.
RIP Jeremiah