Muzzammil Hassan is Head-Over-Heels in Love
February 13, 2009 by swivel
Aasiya and Muzzammil Hasan
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the 13th. I know which one of these scares me more. So many couples fall apart as this horrid holiday approaches. Muzzammil Hassan took this quite literally. Due to a threatened divorce from Aasiya, Muzzammil lost his head a bit, and then made sure his wife lost hers all the fucking way.
The irony here is that Muzzammil Hassan started his own TV station in Buffalo, NY five years ago in order to combat the negative image of Muslims in the United States. I’m thinking that whatever good he did was dented just a tad when he sawed his wife’s head off of her torso.
Aasiya Z. Hassan, age 37, placed an “Order of Protection” against her husband one week ago today, the beginnings of her divorce proceedings. Obviously this caused the good Muslim Hassan to lose face in the community, so he did what any good reader of the Koran would do after being humiliated by the lesser of the two genders. He lopped her head off.
Afterward, he calmly strolled into the Orchard Park police station to report her death and possibly to seek his reward or medal for good Muslim behavior. This is possibly a custom that Hassan should have left in the Middle East if he was concerned about the perception American’s have of his people. You are not doing your faith any favors, there, buddy.
The murder weapon has not yet been located. No word on what this will mean for Bridges TV, the television station devoted to cultural togetherness founded by Hassan. Since one of the founding members is tragically in two large pieces and the other will be spending a few years behind bars, one can only assume that the board and investors will want somebody’s head for this.
To deepen this tragedy, the Hassan’s leave four poor children who are now without a head-of-household.
Thanks to Philly Phan, who got this story rollin’ in the forums. Thanks for the heads-up, Philly Phan.
11:21 pm on February 13th, 2009
Fantastic to see you here, swivel. I don’t suppose we could recommend castration as an appropriate consequence for Muzzammil’s actions?
11:23 pm on February 13th, 2009
Wow. Poor woman.
11:25 pm on February 13th, 2009
A “head” for a head – So to speak??
11:26 pm on February 13th, 2009
Doesn’t the Koran say a “Head for a Head”?
Edit: Thanks a LOT, April.
11:28 pm on February 13th, 2009
No… Thank you for the awesome write up.
11:47 pm on February 13th, 2009
Wow! Another decapitation! I feel so bad for their kids!
Really Gruesome and tragic! I’m sure a lot of eyes instead of heads will roll over this one! Great write up!
12:12 am on February 14th, 2009
Thanks not right…… lol
12:52 am on February 14th, 2009
Great writeup Swivel.
Horrific. I’m sure she didn’t see that one coming. Curious what the hell got him so enraged that he took her head off? I mean…HE TOOK HER HEAD OFF…LITERATELY.
That just blows my mind…oh, no pun intended.
Rest in peace Asaiya.
2:51 am on February 14th, 2009
The problem with Muslims today is that they have allowed past cultural acceptances creep back into their daily lives. Men in the East seem to have a problem with the equality Islam actually gives women. In Islam, women are suppose to have rights that protect their position as the “help mate” of men…(i.e. woman is a ‘personal gift’ God created for man to enhance his life.) Woman is not a possession, and if these so-called “good Muslims” practiced Islam instead of their cultural leanings, women would be just as important in society as they deem themselves to be. I’ve found that women in the M.E. are at fault, as well, because they allow (and in many cases, empower) the male sex to dominate the females in the household (even older sisters!). I don’t blame Islam, I blame the LACK of it in the Muslim countries.
6:40 am on February 14th, 2009
knotme, I would prefer that they throw their ancient tribal books of warfare and hate out the damn window. How can women feel equal when they were a “gift” from Allah to men? It is hard to read this in a progressive light.
Islam is not a peaceful religion. Mohammad was a warlord, leading his men into constant warfare. The Koran is full of violence, just as the Bible is. Hell, monotheistic religions are violent by default… their initial claim that there is only one god, and it is THEIRS, is a natural affront.
Chuck all of it out and start again. And this time, don’t mention slavery, and put something in there about dinosaurs, quarks, and the Big Bang.
6:40 am on February 14th, 2009
agree Knot, and many Muslim men who have committed crimes againest their wives seem oturaged that they are even charged with a crime, much less taken to trial. Newsflash, you live in the U.S., you go by OUR laws, regardless of how your culture views it.
7:16 am on February 14th, 2009
RIP Asaiya
8:09 am on February 14th, 2009
A few things I would like to point out. Your article contains various flaws. Two lines in particular that I would like to comment on:
‘Obviously this caused the good Muslim Hassan to lose face in the community, so he did what any good reader of the Koran would do after being humiliated by the lesser of the two genders. ‘ (para3)
After 9/11, I was intrigued to learn about the religion that so many people deem to be extremely ‘violent’. As a practicing Christian who has been studying the religion of Islam intensively for over two years now, let me inform you of certain widespread misrepresentations. I have read the Koran cover to cover for my PhD research (no, John Stewart and all those other hosts from late night shows have not, go and ask them). There is NOT ONE (get an authentic translation and check for yourself) instance in the Koran where taking another human beings life – Moslem or non-Moslem, for any motive – is allowed. (I was shocked to discover this myself – after all I had heard on TV about the Koran supporting murder etc I had thought there must be something about it in there, but to be honest with you, there is not even one verse!) Taking away life is, actually, stated to be one of the most deadly sins for which there is no room for forgiveness (and quite obviously no reward). So your statement in para 4 (“possibly to seek his reward or medal for good Muslim behavior”) is entirely flawed as this behavior is in no way considered “good”.
Moreover, quite contrary to popular belief, women are not considered ‘the lesser of the two genders’. A part of my PhD is on the perception of women in Islam. I have researched this rigorously and have found that women, according to the Koran, have the EXACT same rights as ANY man does. They are allowed to own property, work if they choose to, marry someone of their choosing, have every right to seek a divorce if a relationship comes to that etc. Muslim woman had these rights far far before women in the west did (via the women’s rights movements, suffrage etc). Quite remarkably, actually, the word ‘woman/female’ is mentioned the SAME number of times as the word ‘man/male’. Go read an authentic, unbiased book to find out more about this topic.
You also write in para 4 that “This is possibly a custom that Hassan should have left in the Middle East if he was concerned about the perception American’s have of his people.” Hassan is NOT from the Middle East. He is an American citizen who moved to the US from Pakistan (which is not in the mid east, vastly different from it in fact –study the world map to find out more).
A little knowledge is a VERY dangerous thing. I would advise you to get your facts straight before you spread ignorance through such gross inaccuracies.
May Aasiya’s soul rest in peace.
8:20 am on February 14th, 2009
wow meow7887.
I feel like I actually learned something from your post. Thank you for taking the time to write all of that out.
Rest in peace, Asaiya
8:29 am on February 14th, 2009
Redshoes – my pleasure.
I just think that we do not have the luxury of ‘ignorance is bliss’ in the wackjob of a world we have today! The correct knowledge is the only way to create sustainable peace.
8:55 am on February 14th, 2009
Some excerpts from the Koran, so other people here won’t be wowed by your PhD and think you know what the fuck you are talking about:
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. – 9:73
Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. – 9:28
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. – 33:60
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. – 48:25
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. – 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. – 98:51
You were saying?
9:01 am on February 14th, 2009
More:
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. – Sura 2:161
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. – 4:76
I could forgive your ignorance if you weren’t also making an appeal to authority, which is a logical fallacy, and committing the sin of hypocrisy, by claiming the danger of a little knowledge and displaying your own surfeit.
9:05 am on February 14th, 2009
The Koran on women:
“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance):… ”
The Book of Women 4.34
“As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them or (until) Allah appoint for them a way (through new legislation).”
The Book of Women 4:15
This last is the justification that Muslim men, like Hasan, use for honor killings. You can find a few passages that give lip-service to equality, but the problem with divinely-inspired books is that EVERY passage is the direct word of god. So, killing flirty girls is obviously His will.
This is disgusting shit, and all the PC nonsense about Islam being “peaceful” is just Christians being ashamed of a close cousin.
9:44 am on February 14th, 2009
@swivel:
First of all, with a dense book like the Koran you cannot just quote verses out of context with no understanding of the time period, or circumstances the verse was revealed in.
Secondly, where exactly are you getting these (what you claim to be) ‘verses’? Some online site, some where? Written by someone just as biased as you, who has made the same mistake as you have by pulling quotes out, blindly ignoring their context, just as a means to justify the notions of Islam in his/her mind.
I have an authentic copy of the Koran on hand, that contains commentary on every verse, detailing intricacies and in-depth inference from scholarly individuals who are far learned in this matter than you are (or perhaps ever will be considering your current attitude). I have not been able to find one ‘verse’ that you have listed on here.
Now you can go on and be arrogant and say that I need to check my copy and its probably a spoof or something and yet again, claim that, I “do not know what the f i am talking about” – but let me simply ask you this: how many years have you studied – actually STUDIED books from learned people, scholars, the intellectual community – Islam? How many years have you done an unbiased and in-depth analysis of this religion and its followers? Have you actually READ for yourself an authentic hard copy of the Koran that you so proudly quote from? I would not like to make any judgements, but in the case you have not, I would say you would be the one who ‘does not know what you are talking about’.
Like I said, get your facts straight. And get them from an authentic/renown book.
9:45 am on February 14th, 2009
Disgusting.
Those poor children will have to live with the knowledge that their father murdered their mother for the rest of their lives.
9:50 am on February 14th, 2009
I have never commented before but this story is down the street from where i work, and with the plane crah here this week, i didnt even know until i read it here!
We are also so very close to Niagara Falls where this year already there has been 2 (i think maybe 3) DV related homicides. Scary part is there was only 3 homicides in all of 2008 in NF.
I just cant even imagine loving someone and then killing them
10:09 am on February 14th, 2009
10:18 am on February 14th, 2009
gah… another decapitation… feck
10:45 am on February 14th, 2009
Look them up and tell me which ones are poorly translated.
The Koran clearly condones SLAVERY, SPOUSAL BATTERY, MURDER, and WAR. You can play the “selective quoting” routine all you like, but it creates the following problem: If we are ethical enough to recognize evil from good in the Koran, then why the fuck do we need it or the Bible to tell us right from wrong?
Both books are morally defunct. And moderates like yourself, who cover up the horrid truth, give power to the extremists to lurk in your wake, lopping the heads off of lovers.
I hope you are proud of yourself for defending a book that treats women like property, tells you to kill the harlots, to make war on unbelievers, etc… I have given you hard information to work with–and all you have given me is politically correct bullshit, your misguided opinions, and vile support of a loathsome tome.
My job is to shame you until you start behaving ethically. What I will NOT stand is you coming here and forgiving the religion that resulted in the MURDER of this poor woman. It is no better than tithing to the Catholic church of molestation.
10:49 am on February 14th, 2009
More fun:
Those who deny Muhammad’s revelations will be destroyed. 25:36
Those who cry out to another god with Allah will be tormented doubly in hell. 25:68-69
Those who believe in another god are doomed. 26:213
“Allah destroyed them and their people, every one.” 27:51
Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 32:20
The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 32:22
Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61
Those who strive against Allah’s revelations will be brought to the doom. 34:38
10:53 am on February 14th, 2009
For anyone who wants to read for themselves, there are many versions of the Koran on the web. Here is one: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
Go to book 25 (they are arranged by size, rather than order, authorship, etc…) Book 25 is known as “Distinction”.
There you will find the following verses. And all the others that I have listed. This is a BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT religion of evil, bile, gore, misogyny, slavery, and ill-temperament. A pox on all those who buy into this nonsense, which can take a good man and have him BELIEVE that the right thing to do is to behead his wife!
[25.36] Then We said: Go you both to the people who rejected Our communications; so We destroyed them with utter destruction.
[25.37] And the people of Nuh, when they rejected the apostles, We drowned them, and made them a sign for men, and We have prepared a painful punishment for the unjust;
11:10 am on February 14th, 2009
‘The religion that resulted in the murder of this poor woman’?!! Do you personally know Mr. Hassan, swivel? Do you know whether he even believed in the tenets of the Islamic faith? or any other faith, for that matter? Or are you a cop involved in the investigation of this case? You claim in your first post of Hassan being a ‘good muslim’ etc. Do you have ANY evidence whatsoever to back this? He could be a Muslim simply by name, some one completely illiterate about the religion, with no idea of the enormity of a sin like murder.
This terribly tragic murder is in NO way connected to religion. To me it seems to be a personal, family issue where a wacko psychopath goes berserk. (I dont see people connecting non-Muslim cases of a similar kind -divorce related murder – to religion) So don’t go connecting it with religion with ABSOLUTELY no true knowledge of the logistics of this case.
You continue to make silly accusations and generalizations and continue to hold staunchly to your preconceived notions without doing any background study of the things you talk about. “My job is to shame you until you start behaving ethically.” What makes you think I do not behave ethically? You do not even know me! Yet another one of your ignorant baseless generalizations.
Shame on YOU, swivel.
Shame on you – It is people like you – irrespective of religion – who preach (and live off of) misunderstanding between communities and blind hatred who have brought the world to the mess it is in right now.
This is all I have to say in this regard. No point trying to argue with someone who can’t even, for a moment, remove the blinders/blinkers from the sides of his/her eyes.
11:27 am on February 14th, 2009
BTW, this article is filed under the category Honor Killing for a reason. Also, notice anything similar with the stories? In regards to the gender of the victims and the accused? The relationship between them? The religion? The motive?
11:41 am on February 14th, 2009
Folks need to back up their “Order(s) of Protection” with a good handgun. All an Order of Protection does is create a paper trail for when it’s violated, and it usually will be. If you’re that worried about the motherfucker, pack heat.
11:41 am on February 14th, 2009
The world keeps getting better the more secular it becomes. We live in the most peaceful times in human history. The chances of being murdered by a fellow man are the lowest right now that they have EVER been. This is statistical fact. So, since we can plot the rise of safety with the decline of religion, there seems to be only two conclusions: 1. Coincidence. 2. Causation.
Islam is currently going through the same struggles with modernity that Christianity went through hundreds of years ago. You seem content to applaud a growth stage of slavery, misogyny, and murder. I want religion to become an adult. Grow old, and then die a very painful death.
The fact that your inclusiveness embraces murderers, rapists, pedophiles, slave-owners, witch burners, and crusaders is NOT the kind of diversity that I want to be a part of. You are seriously misguided, and I believe you flat out lied when you said you have studied the Koran. What does the Bible and the Koran have to say about liars?
*throws a stone*
11:43 am on February 14th, 2009
Here is more of the bullshit you celebrate:
Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 34:51-52
Evil. Evil. Evil. Shame on you.
11:46 am on February 14th, 2009
Actions speak louder than words
this action sure looks like a honor killing
11:51 am on February 14th, 2009
More:
4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
11:53 am on February 14th, 2009
It was. And if Islam was DEAD, Aasiya would be ALIVE.
12:18 pm on February 14th, 2009
Wow, I must have missed the post where Meow said pedos were a-okay.
I have so many issues with this I don’t even know where to start. But first some background: I am agnostic, and I despise organized religion. I think the vast majority of “religious leaders” are full of shit, and have no place to tell anyone else what “God” wants of them. My husband, however, is Muslim. Not a devout Muslim, but he is from a conservative middle-eastern country, and did not come to the States until he was 25. So, of course, culturally he is very much a Muslim.
#1, Swivel, is your assumption that because this man was Muslim and brown, that he was from the middle east. Your ignorance is really showing here. The cultural differences between countries within the middle east are huge, much less the differences betwwen the middle east and Pakistan. They don’t even speak the same language! That’s like saying someone is French, because they’re white and Christian.
#2 is the assumpion that this is an honor killing. It sounds more to me like your typical divorce-murder, although the method is decidedly not from American culture. But when a white man is on here for the same reason, it would never occur to anyone to call it an honor kiling. What Muzzammil Hassan did was not the same as killing one’s daughter for behavior you disapprove of. I am appalled that he is being judged more by his religion than his actions.
#3 is the fact that you are SO quick to paint all Muslims with the same brush. You assume that all Muslims view women in a certain way, when I know from personal experience that for a great many of them, their wives are viewed with the utmost respect. Yes, women are set apart, but many of them are set apart on a pedestal. My husband and his friends consistently think of their wives before themselves, always making sure we are comfortable, that we have had enough to eat. Next to their children, their wives are the most important thing in their world, and that is displayed in their actions. Family is extremely important in their culture.
Before you judge an entire religion (and culture, as I’m not sure you understand the difference), I have an idea. Go meet some Muslims. Talk to them. Ask them questions about what they believe, what they think of situations like this. I’m willing to bet a large number of them are just as appalled by this as we are. The Bible is full of horrible things too, but I don’t assume that every Christian I meet thinks slavery, misogyny, and stoning people to death are acceptable. I think most Muslims, like most Christians, ignore the parts in their book that they don’t think are right. Although, most of both groups have never even read the whole book. But just because I think their faith means they’re gullible doesn’t mean I think they literally believe that the worst parts of their books are the parts that should be followed.
And for the record, when I recently asked my husband if men beat their wives in his country, he was shocked. He said it’s considered shameful to even raise your voice to your wife, but if a man does beat his wife, she will tell her family and they will beat him up.
12:34 pm on February 14th, 2009
I would agree with you if the dude hid the body and tried to act a tad ashamed of what he did.
But he STROLLED into the police station, conforming with the laws of man with the lack of embarrassment attained by knowing you are right with Allah.
I’m not racist. I want an end to borders and unlimited immigration. I just don’t respect religions that foster pedophiles (Catholicism) and Matricide (Islam).
Forgive me for being as ethically rigid as these farces pretend to be.
I don’t have to ask Muslims what they think of this, because people lie. All I have to do is watch the TV on September 12th, 2001 and note the parades of flag-burners and people hitting America with their shoes, and the utter silence from the Muslims who were outraged. I trust peoples actions, not their words. This dude was a hypocrite. Founding a TV station to heal wounds and then slicing his wife’s neck off. And the reason your husband and his friends are paying you so much attention might be a cause for concern…
12:34 pm on February 14th, 2009
Just so that I can understand, if a Christian man kills and decapitates his Christian wife because she sought a divorce, it would not be classified as an “honor killing”?
12:36 pm on February 14th, 2009
Muzzammil Hassan came to America from Pakistan 25 years ago.
12:58 pm on February 14th, 2009
Unless the guy specifically stated that was why he killed her, no. But do a quick search on “honor killing” and you will see why this story is classified as such, even if it was not. No different to why we will place a child abuse story in both the Child Abuse category as well as the Infanticide category…even if the child does not die. If it looks like a duck and all that.
1:08 pm on February 14th, 2009
Not necessarily. There are plenty of whackjobs who kill their wives if they try to leave them.
1:26 pm on February 14th, 2009
So, all Catholics are pedos?
I fail to see the connection between Sept. 11th and this guy beheading his wife. Why are you trying to throw a red herring into this?
Yes, my husband is attentive and thoughtful, as are his friends to their wives. I worry about that constantly. He probably only makes sure I eat well because he’s fattening me up for some Muslim cannibalistic ritual. They do that, right? I’m sure one Muslim did one time, so now we can just assume they all do.
1:36 pm on February 14th, 2009
Nope. But all Catholics pay men to fondle their children.
I guess you are done arguing that Islam is about peace? You ever figure out how to look up passages in your Koran?
Now your argument is that this guy wasn’t a Muslim, just a coincidental psycho acting like a Muslim?
I can’t tell if you are shrinking or just back-peddling. Stop sticking up for these madmen. You are putting money in their collection plates.
1:38 pm on February 14th, 2009
No, but the church foster and hides pedophiles. I don’t see where he stated all Catholics are pedophiles.
I am reminded of a Reno 911 show in which the city of Reno misprinted some lottery tickets, issuing out thousands of winning lottery tickets. In the episode, the cops of Reno are in their briefing room, and one by one, each character would show up to the meeting wearing fancy clothes and proceed to tell the rest of their co-workers to “Suck their dicks” and to “fuck off” that they had just won the lottery. When they were informed that there had been a mistake…they would simply sit down beside their co-workers and watch as the next one came in doing the same thing.
2:33 pm on February 14th, 2009
The reason we don’t lynch blacks as often these days is because our social pressures and influences on one another do not promote it the way they used to.
Thinking that these honor killings would take place without the religion telling men that it is their DUTY to perform them is insanity. Yes, jealous men would still kill their wives. But, just as we see in non-Muslim societies, the men would feel shame and guilt for doing this. They would not do it with pride.
And the difference between pride and shame is the difference between hundreds of these women living or dying. It would take an unbelievable amount of bias to not see and understand this. The sort of bias one would have if they were married to a Muslim man that they loved very much and owned a Koran but never peeked inside?
2:35 pm on February 14th, 2009
Damn it. I wrote a long ass post and it vanished. Maybe grabbed for spam-though I only linked within DD. In any case, the long and short of it is that I am ashamed to be a part of this community right now. Some of the statements made here are the American version of the propaganda spewed *about* us by terrorist organizations such as Al Quaida. You are seriously no different than the terrorists you rail against when you denounce an entire segment of people based solely on their religion, race, or nationality. Intellectual violence is only marginally better than physical violence, and both contribute equally to the fact that there are these tensions in the first place.
As an aside, thank goodness most people don’t assume I am an uneducated, unemployed, single welfare mom to seven because I am Hispanic. Thank goodness people don’t blame every mistake I make on my race or religion. I’d much rather be responsible for my actions rather than have people assume that I am a product of my religion or race-which is a tiny part of what makes me who I am. Even the missteps I make are MINE, not the Puerto Rican heritage in my blood, or the Christian upbringing I received.
2:39 pm on February 14th, 2009
Yeah, because the media always shows a balanced picture. They never forgo the less sensational perspectives for a more shocking, riveting presentation. /sarcasm
3:02 pm on February 14th, 2009
Wow – Hot Topic!
Meow:
You said this:
Then Swivel countered with verse after verse – and you came back with this:
You can’t have it both ways. Regardless of “which version” or “which interpretation” it’s gleaned from – if it’s there – it’s there. Just as the Christian bible is interpreted/mis-interpreted in many ways – depending on which religion is doing the interpretation – so can the Koran be.
But you claim first that no way, no how would Swivel find those things in the Koran – you never specified that “some” interpretations might allude to those things. That is, not until Swivel called you out on it. Then you started back peddling. If you’d done so much research, you would have known that these verses DO exist out there. You kinda discredited yourself there.
Ummm… sounds like you are not looking in the right place, then. You’re a bit too eager to believe “all is well” and that is clouding your judgment here. Open your mind a bit. Swivel isn’t saying YOUR Koran doesn’t exist – he’s just saying it isn’t the ONLY one version/interpretation out there. Why can’t you agree with that much? And therefore agree that there are some zealots that would use Swivel’s version to justify their heinous actions?
For WHATEVER reason this woman died – it’s a horrible way to go.
I’m just curious – why was she there if there was a restraining order? If that is his company, she had to know he’d likely be there as well. Were they alone? Sounds like she was a bit naive. That really sucks. RIP.
3:40 pm on February 14th, 2009
Are they ashamed? It strikes me that not all that many wife-killers seem particularly remorseful. “She made me do it” is not remorse. They’re sorry they got caught, they’re sorry the law is so twisted that they have to do time for killing their own “property”, but ashamed? Not that I’ve noticed.
4:13 pm on February 14th, 2009
This is tragic.
I’m sorry, but a man chopping his estranged wife’s head off and then “strolling” into the police station (which is such a subjective word — do we know he really strolled? Like whistling a tune covered in blood? Or did he just go turn himself in?) shows that he is extremely mentally ill…and nothing more in my opinion.
Yes, Pakistan is a southern Asian country, not in the Middle East, but that mistake is common and not that big of a deal. But I think blaming the religion, especially from someone who’s lived in the US for a quarter of a century and from what I can see is pretty Americanized, is just sensationalism.
We don’t know what was going through his sick mind. It could have been verses from the Koran, it could have been evil elves telling him to murder. We just shouldn’t assume. You say he wasn’t doing his religion favors by doing this, but honestly, had you NOT said that, it probably wouldn’t have crossed my mind. I would have just thought this dude was fucked up. Like that guy at VT a few weeks ago.
All I do know is this story is incredibly sad and tragic and I hope their children and families can find peace in this whole mess.
4:53 pm on February 14th, 2009
You are correct. I am no different from the terrorists. They hate all capitalists for wanting to make a profit, and for lusting after women. They lump us all together and hate us equally.
I hate all Muslims and Christians for looking to old, dusty, hate-filled books for ethical guidance. I hate the racism in Christianity today, the anti-Hispanic bent that is outright racism. I hate the homophobia and poor treatment of gays. I hate the strength that moderate Muslims give to the extremists. The mosques where they teach kids to hate us. Where they teach boys to look down on girls. Where they teach one sect to hate another. Yes, I lump all these people together. Because history is littered with the bodies that well-meaning people have slaughtered in the name of their God.
The question is, since both of us (terrorists and myself) are hating a group of people with many similarities… what is the difference between us? How can I be distinguished from a terrorist?
Oh… because of what we are railing against. They are against profits and equal rights for women. I am against matricide, rape, pedophilia, and homophobia. Some of you are defending the book that drives people to lop off their wife’s head, I am defending the poor woman who probably knew she was in danger the moment she decided to file for a divorce.
Yeah… I am just like the terrorists. What a wonderful way to move this conversation forward. Sink to the lowest personal attack possible and lump in a lover of freedom with those that rail against it. Nice one.
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