CHRISTIANSBURG, Va. — A former Virginia Tech graduate student pleaded guilty Monday to decapitating a classmate, and prosecutors for the first time revealed the reason for the campus cafe killing, saying his romantic advances had been rejected.

This is just sick…. and sad~ I don’t understand how someone could do this in a cafe so fast. I mean, not to be sick, but you’d think it would take some time to remove an actual head from someones body? How big was this knife??? It isn’t like just cutting a piece of steak in half…. wtf, did I just say that? Ahhh, I am speechless… this is a gross topic, I am moving on……….

Last week, investigators found “psychological brochures” at his apartment when they searched it, according to the document.

[I]t was discovered that on January 7, Zhu wrote on a Chinese-language blog that he had been so frustrated over stock losses and other problems that he thought ‘only of killing someone or committing suicide’.

The topic of guns on campuses is a worthy one. Personally, I support guns on campus, given certain regulation.

Who is going to check to make sure the hundreds, if not thousands of students carrying have a permit to do so? If it becomes legal for “law abiding” students to carry - that won’t keep the criminal ones from carrying as well.

Students for Concealed Carry on Campus urges the importance in the people carrying to be LAW OBIDING CITIZENS….. this means no criminal record, no intent, following the legal process, carrying a legal weapon, ect.

Now bare with me for a second….. Say you are a student at Virginia Tech. You are sitting in class and the door swings open and a mad man is swinging a gun at you and your fellow classmates. Now here are your two scenarios….
1. The mad man kills you and everyone around you and goes to the next classroom to conuinie his rant…..
2. The LAW OBIDING CITIZEN sitting next to you reaches into his holster kept in the side of his pants, draws his gun, fires a shot and kills the gunman before he has the chance to kill anyone…
Im asking you all now…. which situation would you prefer to be in???

[...] As for the other poster, I stand by “No you’re the troll, you responded to a response I made to someone else (LeeMouse) pretending it was directed at you, and preceded to take over the discussion & I allowed you to suck me in. Your self centered, long winded & in need of attention.

You know, biteme, just for shits and giggles I went back and read all of the posts on this thread and your characterization of what went down is a bit, shall we say, disingenuous. Before AlwaysinFlyoverCountry even responded to you about this gun issue, you called LeeMouse an IDIOT in all caps, just for stating her opinion. You didn’t like her opinion, so you resorted almost immediately to ad hominem, personal attacks, which seem to be your MO anytime something contentious comes up.

No you’re the troll, you responded to a response I made to someone else (LeeMouse) pretending it was directed at you, and presided to take over the discussion & I allowed you to suck me in. Your self centered, long winded & in need of attention.

Well, it’s a logical progression, Rev. When I read this article over in our forums and we got the typical “why didn’t anyone do anything?!?” response, I mentioned that I was willing to bet the only thing quick enough to stop this guy would have been a bullet.

Really? REALLY? This discussion about this murder has turned into a fucking pissing contest about guns? Wow.

Did you know that the Supreme Court ruled that the police do not have the responsibility to protect you? Funny, considering their slogan is “serve and protect”, but they are not legally responsible for your protection.

Juxtapose that with the fact that Americans defend themselves from criminals roughly 750,000 time a year, and it makes me wonder why we want to further limit the situations in which law-abiding citizens are allowed to carry guns.

Really? REALLY? This discussion about this murder has turned into a fucking pissing contest about guns? Wow.

Was making the point that not only can you buy guns, but carry permits are, apply, hit target, got permit, carry gun, not tough to get for most.
done with you
bye

Sounds like a plan. But you will still find that they are not “no gun law” states as you asserted. The issuance of carry permits is described by a series of laws.

you want limited regulations, almost anyone can get a gun permit states, start with Montana & Nevada,

and from now on do your own homework.

I can pick up a simi auto and turn it into a full auto within 15min,

I can pick up a banana clip for it,

most anywhere, try going to a gun show. It’s obvious from what you write you’ve never been to one.

You can go to a gun show in Nevada and walk away with a 50 caliber and metal piercing bullets, all you need is money.

You should see all the people hanging around those places and what they’re trying to sell.

Your problem is your limited and your life experiences are limited,

You are making assumptions that have no basis in reality.

How many campaign medals do you have on your DD 214?

Do you have a DD 214?

My old passport was red. What color is yours?

Criminals don’t really care if the law says they shouldn’t own a gun, or if the law says they shouldn’t cross state lines or sell guns.

I hate educators that feel they know it all and don’t know shit about life outside a book.

There’s a real world out there, with real people and some don’t even care about the law, can you believe that
LOL

If guns ever cease to be banned on college campuses, I–and every other professor on the face of the earth–will quit immediately, and nobody will replace us. Because, while in your dream world, some kind of Rambo pops up to save the day, the reality is that all you’ll see is a huge increase in the number of DD posts about how some jackhole killed his girlfriend outside of class. Or killed his professor because he didn’t get the Special Snowflake A+++++ he thought he deserved. You point to ONE instance of someone grabbing a gun and stopping violence on campus? I can show you 20x that many instances of failing students who decided to take it out on their professor by running out to the car, getting a gun, and throwing down a real “game changer.” College today is full of students who have grown up feeling entitled to a A just for breathing, and trust me, they don’t take well to be told that 2+2 does not equal 5. They’re under pressure, and living alone for the first time, and facing the adult world for the first time–and in many cases, finding out that they don’t have what it takes, and maybe should have paid attention in high school. And whose fault is it? Everyone else, but never, ever the student. And you think it’s a good idea to bring easy on-campus access to guns into the mix? Worst. idea. ever. Because it will be Game Over man, Game Over for higher ed, period.

I certainly agree that guns don’t belong in schools, shouldn’t be made readily available to just anyone, you should have a good reason to have a gun and it should be registered. Problem is they are readily available, some states have decent gun laws some have none, many places you can buy a gun on the streets. Any nut can place automatic weapons & plenty of ammo in a backpack, all the collage shooting situations I can remember, where premeditated and prepared for in advance, with some interesting firepower, so you may want to quit as soon as possible. No guns allowed on campus hasn’t really worked all that well. if someone decides to bring one no way to stop them. I can’t believe you think telling a killer they can’t bring a gun will stop them from bringing one. Hey new Yorkers stop illegally parking your cars, there that should do it, I wonder how the city is going to make up for the lack of funds now?

Any nut can place automatic weapons & plenty of ammo in a backpack

some states have decent gun laws some have none

many places you can buy a gun on the streets.

If guns ever cease to be banned on college campuses, I–and every other professor on the face of the earth–will quit immediately, and nobody will replace us. Because, while in your dream world, some kind of Rambo pops up to save the day, the reality is that all you’ll see is a huge increase in the number of DD posts about how some jackhole killed his girlfriend outside of class. Or killed his professor because he didn’t get the Special Snowflake A+++++ he thought he deserved. You point to ONE instance of someone grabbing a gun and stopping violence on campus? I can show you 20x that many instances of failing students who decided to take it out on their professor by running out to the car, getting a gun, and throwing down a real “game changer.” College today is full of students who have grown up feeling entitled to a A just for breathing, and trust me, they don’t take well to be told that 2+2 does not equal 5. They’re under pressure, and living alone for the first time, and facing the adult world for the first time–and in many cases, finding out that they don’t have what it takes, and maybe should have paid attention in high school. And whose fault is it? Everyone else, but never, ever the student. And you think it’s a good idea to bring easy on-campus access to guns into the mix? Worst. idea. ever. Because it will be Game Over man, Game Over for higher ed, period.

If guns ever cease to be banned on college campuses, I–and every other professor on the face of the earth–will quit immediately, and nobody will replace us.

If guns ever cease to be banned on college campuses, I–and every other professor on the face of the earth–will quit immediately, and nobody will replace us.

Not local, so I cannot answer; but I also wonder: Is it common in the US for the rent to be heat and/or electricity included? Dormitories and bed-sits might have that in Northern Europe, flats almost never.

Is there anybody local that can answer what the arrangements were for heating Zhu’s apartment?

If guns ever cease to be banned on college campuses, I–and every other professor on the face of the earth–will quit immediately, and nobody will replace us.

You point to ONE instance of someone grabbing a gun and stopping violence on campus? I can show you 20x that many instances of failing students who decided to take it out on their professor by running out to the car, getting a gun, and throwing down a real “game changer.”

Yes Veronica, and the Korean culture, generally speaking, is usually quite opposed to the Chinese culture, and most Korean families are highly unapproving of inter-marrying with Chinese families. So, even though both of these abominable fuckwads are from the same continent, culturally speaking, they are diametrical opposites.

The thing with the thermostat …. I just assumed that he was saving money on heat?

I am still bothered by his not fleeing after he murdered Miss Yang before witnesses like that. The thing with the thermostat and the woodpile keeps intruding on my consciousness too. And I don’t think it’s impossible his hypothetical psychotic break happened some time before the weather turned cold and people have been dismissing any speech or behavioral oddities as those of a well-liked peer with a touch of the wiseass about him.

Yep Al, im with you knowing whether it took him 1 whack at it or two to get that head off will absolutely help me make some sense out of this.

Al - (My new hero)

I think I’ll reserve final judgment until more facts are known. Has he ever lashed out before? Was he prone to fits of anger when he didn’t get what he wanted? I’d like to hear from his family and friends from childhood to put the whole picture together.

Psychotic break, though? No. This was premeditated. He brought the knife with him. He had already decided that if she rejected him - she would die. Had he killed her with something that was lying around the cafe`, I would say he snapped. The fact that he brought the murder weapon with him makes a snap unlikely.

If I am right — that Zhu bought a high-grade chef’s knife explicitly because it had the heft and edge, if only for one stroke, to decapitate Miss Yang — that adds one more piece to the puzzle. And puts us, or at least me, one step closer to making sense of this senseless crime.

Thank Jesus that guns are banned from these places of learning. We’d all hate for a true blooded American to get in the middle of this little tiff and throw down a game changer.

Good to see how everyone in institutions of lower learning are all a bunch of me first, no self sacrificing, pacifist, tree hugging pussies.

Now, think back several years. Someone was getting stupid and shooting classmates. A real man ran out to his car, got his gun, came back and put the dog down. Game over man. Game over.

On to other things. I have guessed that Zhu suddenly lost his sanity and given my reasons for that guess. What do you think? Psychosis, or psychopathy?

i have to say you are right, i do get a little one sided wene it comes to things like this.

i do want to say im sorry, i just get so up set wene some one can do somethng this awfull to someone.

hey i dont realy think its funny,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but all i see is people yacking back and forth about china movies and about the knife.

my heart gose out to the family of that girl

and hope that the man that did this goes to hell.

i have had 5 people in my family that has died at the hand of onother,,the anger never leaves every day its like a little piece of my humanity is swollowed and dissapears

I got training on mental health problems as they relate to experiencing or witnessing homicidal violence and the signs and symptoms to be watchful of in my peers and subordinates while I was in the service.

hey i dont realy think its funny,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but all i see is people yacking back and forth about china movies and about the knife. my heart gose out to the family of that girl and hope that the man that did this goes to hell.i have had 5 people in my family that has died at the hand of onother,,the anger never leaves every day its like a little piece of my humanity is swollowed and dissapears

ha ha gee i think thats funny

He had told another student that she was going to be his GF. I’m guessing she said no.

On a serious note, my heart goes out to the entire VT campus. I know so many struggled to get back some semblance of normalcy after last year’s violence. I can’t believe this happened in such a public way on that same campus.

Wishing peace for the victim’s family, and the entire VT community.

You know, it really does remind me of the greyhound bus decapitation, and all of the discussion we had on DD about whether the passengers could/should have done anything, whether it would have mattered, etc. In that case, though, it took a little while for the decapitation — ie, the attacker stabbed his victim, everyone left the bus, THEN he decapitated him, if memory serves. And it took awhile for help to arrive. In this case, it sounds like the whole thing was over in a minute or two. 911 was called, and when the first responder got there 1-2 minutes later, he was holding her severed head. I can’t begin to fathom how he did it so quickly, but it doesn’t sound like there was much opportunity for anyone to save this poor woman.

Yes, Ruby apparently it was done very quickly but I can’t fathom a kitchen knife that is sharp enough to do that. Maybe it was a ginsu knife. Okay I’m prepared to be bashed for that comment.

Well if you wanted to get tech, I guess China, Asia, Japan would be far eastern countries as opposed to middle eastern. My point was that both of our lunatics where of Asian decent.

I believe asian cinema is very big into gory movies and severing heads in these movies is a very popular trend.

I get what you’re saying, but neither of these VT killers were middle eastern, they were both Asian. Asshole Cho was Korean, and Asshole Zhu is Chinese.

He had told another student that she was going to be his GF. I’m guessing she said no.

Also, my kids will never go to VT. EVER.

Asia is a continent.
Hope this helps.
–Al

Ruby I said a middle eastern country, I promise China is a middle eastern country. But just in case you need a small geography lesson here is a very user friendly link for you. http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/as....>

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!! The funny writes itself. LOL.

Well V, I call them like I see them. Do you get points for running interference?? If Rube wasn’t trying to be rude in the first place she would have said something like..”Hey Swade im pretty sure its far east or “hey swade its far eastern isn’t it. instead of the smart ass way it was said.

Well if you wanted to get tech, I guess China, Asia, Japan would be far eastern countries as opposed to middle eastern.

I’m wondering if maybe witnesses didn’t do anything because it says that it didn’t seem provoked, like they were just talking one minute and the next he has her head off. No fighting or yelling, etc. to worry people into making a call sooner.

Size has absolutely nothing to do with it, an eighty pound nut can kill you just as easy as a 200 pound nut, just depends on what weapons they have. In this case no one else in that room knew what else he had up his sleeves.

Thanks to all the onlookers who went out the door assholes and elbows rather than put a boot up this 3.7? cock carrying piece of shits ass. Every one of their man cards has been revolked and voided for life. We all know how dangerous a 140 pound asian economics student can be.

Thanks to all the onlookers who went out the door assholes and elbows rather than put a boot up this 3.7? cock carrying piece of shits ass. Every one of their man cards has been revolked and voided for life. We all know how dangerous a 140 pound asian economics student can be.

Thanks to all the onlookers who went out the door assholes and elbows rather than put a boot up this 3.7? cock carrying piece of shits ass. Every one of their man cards has been revolked and voided for life. We all know how dangerous a 140 pound asian economics student can be.