Yes, That Body Is Caylee Anthony’s.
December 19, 2008 by impqueen
And what’s worse…it now appears that she could have been found in AugustAugust reviews
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Caylee Marie Anthony ~ August 9, 2005 – June 2008
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. Hell of a news day, huh? First, the DNA is back, and the tiny remains found in a trash bag last Thursday are, in fact, those of Caylee Marie Anthony. No real surprise, I suppose. I think we all knew when the body was found that it was hers. Who else would it be? No other tiny little girls with longish brown hair were even missing in Florida last week.
To add insult to murder, it now appears that Roy Kronk, the utility worker who found Caylee’s body, tried to notify authorities in August about the suspicious trash bag in the woods. Yes, the very same trash bag that turned out to hold the toddler’s remains. Three times on three different days, Mr. Kronk says, he called authorities. Yet it was not until the December 11 911 call (when Kronk reported that the bag had opened and a child’s skull had fallen out) that the remains were finally recovered – four months after Kronk made the first call to police.
Dr. Jan Garavaglia, Chief Medical Examiner of Orange CountyOrange County reviews, held a press conference today in which she said that Caylee’s remains were primarily bone, and that in fact the entire skeleton was not present in the bag, which was damaged when recovered. Some of Caylee’s tinier bones had been found in a one-acre area around the dump site, and Dr. G. said that some of those bones were pebble-sized. She ruled Caylee’s death as “homicide by unknown means”, which basically means that babies don’t get taped up in trash bags by themselves.
For his part, utility worker and unsung hero Roy Kronk issued a prepared statement in which he said that he had spoken with law enforcement, but would not reveal any details about Caylee’s body. He did say that he’d tried on three occasions in August to alert authorities to the trash bag, which he thought looked suspiciously like it might contain a body.
Mr. Kronk first called on August 11 to report the bag, which he had described as not far off the road. But a sheriff’s deputy who responded to the call couldn’t locate Kronk, and left. So the next day, August 12, Kronk called a crime tip line. The tip was sent to the Orange County Sheriff’s criminal investigation division, but no real action appears to have taken place. One report says that a notation was made that the area had already been cleared by cadaver dogs.
Then, on August 13, Kronk called police the third time. He met with police, and a deputy went into the wooded area to investigate his claims, but didn’t find anything – although the report from that visit seems to indicate that the officer left before going deeply into the woods due to a “large snake” in the area. The scene was then cleared as a possible place of interest in the case. Oh, oops.
There is now an internal probe under way within the police department into how the matter was handled. Orange County Sheriff Kevin Beary said he’s not ready to “throw anyone under the bus” just yet, but it seems likely that the four month time lapse could have resulted in a lot of lost evidence. Without much, if any, soft tissue remaining, a cause of death for Caylee is going to be much more difficult, if not impossible, to determine.
I’ve heard rumors that the defense is trying to paint Roy Kronk as a suspect, but Sheriff Beary squelched that this afternoon, saying that Mr. Kronk is not a suspect and is, rather, a concerned citizen who was following up his own investigation last week when he saw that the bag had been opened and the remains scattered.
In a sad little end note, the department released a photo – of what appears to be the book Caylee was reading in the last known video of her, taken within a day of her disappearance. The large yellow hardboard book was on the ground near the dump site, covered with leaves – just like the tiny body of Caylee Anthony.
What may be Caylee’s book is at the bottom of the picture toward the left.
7:16 pm on December 19th, 2008
I hope Caylee gets the justice she deserves, finally.
7:20 pm on December 19th, 2008
Imp, damned fine piece of writing!
RIP, Caylee Marie Anthony.
I sure hope the keystone cops figure out what the hell happened in August that prevented them from finding this little beauty despite THREE calls telling them where she was. Damn.
7:22 pm on December 19th, 2008
Simply, devasting for all involved in one way or another. As for the Anthony’s, I hope your hell is just beginning. YOU DISGUST ME AS HUMAN BEINGS!
7:24 pm on December 19th, 2008
ditto – good summary of recent events.
7:26 pm on December 19th, 2008
Thanks Imp for creating a new article. It’s very appropriate now that they have officially identified her. Knowing already it was her was sad, but today it sure is sadder isn’t it? Now let’s hope we get Justice for Caylee. Not just a trial and some time, I mean meaningful true justice.
7:27 pm on December 19th, 2008
That picture of the book is just chilling….. like murdering your child and then ditching the body with her favorite toys makes it ok???
7:30 pm on December 19th, 2008
How sickening that she just threw her baby away like that book-with absolutely no concern. How does anyone throw their baby in the woods-a dark, dank, scary place-whether she is dead or alive-and walk away without looking back? Without hearing her inside their head crying in fear.? It’s just so sad…
Oh, I hope that fucking whore burns in hell. I hope her eyes get gouged out and the only vision she will forever see is that of her dead baby-haunting her for all eternity. By no means am I a saddist, but I for one would love to watch this bitch suffer physically, mentally and emotionally until her own mind fucking finishes her off…
7:31 pm on December 19th, 2008
I’d love to hear what Cindy and George has to say now. How horribly sad. I knew it was her, but some how it’s still hitting me very hard.
Rest in Peace sweet little Caylee. I’m so sorry your entire family was so messed up!
7:36 pm on December 19th, 2008
You know what stumps me though? Why was mama (or whatever it was named, something like that) left in the car? I understand she went no where without her favorite dolly.
7:58 pm on December 19th, 2008
Imp, great write-up for such a confusing and heart-wrenching story. I have a feeling this case will continue to be a long, drawn-out ordeal.
8:03 pm on December 19th, 2008
Yes I agree great write up imp!!Now hopefully that beautiful angel can rest in peace and I hope to hell theres some justice for her and she gets the respect in death she didnt get in life!!
8:30 pm on December 19th, 2008
Unfortunately I knew this would be the out come months ago. When I first heard about this story I thought she may have placed the baby for adoption and not wanted to say anything until the adoption was final. I run a adoption agency and have had girls place their children and not tell their families for fear their family will talk them out of it. As the months went on I knew this wasnt the case even though I wish it was. It seems unreal that a mother would kill her child and throw her in a trash bag like she never meant anything. She should have placed her for adoption. I could have had a family there within hours that would love and cherish that baby. It doesnt seem right that I have families, good loving caring fmailies call me all day desperate for a baby that they cant have. Then there are pieces of trash like this that can have children without a problem but definately dont deserve to able to.
8:33 pm on December 19th, 2008
Unbelievable. Although I hope they have enough evidence for a conviction, damn, there would’ve been so much more evidence 4 months ago. I assume this deputy just f’d up, I can’t think of any other explanation. But what a shame for the investigation, and the entire OCSO that has put so much time and effort into doing this right, to have one guy screw up so bad. I hope it doesn’t reflect badly on the entire department because as a whole I think they’ve been doing one hell of a job.
8:55 pm on December 19th, 2008
Bless little Caylee. “You are my sunshine” is really such a sad song, so forlorn, and now I will always think of Caylee when I hear it. Isn’t it funny how a little child you never even knew can have such an impact?
The other night, dear
As I lay sleeping
I dreamed I held you in my arms
When I awoke, dear
I was mistaken
And I hung my head and cried;
You are my sunshine
My only sunshine
You make me happy
When skies are grey
You’ll never know dear
How much I love you
Please don’t take my sunshine away.
9:02 pm on December 19th, 2008
I thought perhaps this post was more appropriate under this new thread. Thank you Imp for your continued dedication to this story….for your compassionate writing…and all the highs, lows, fights and tears this thread has brought to DD.
Also, thanks to those who put up with the endless trail of us newbys, some of which have become rooted here and some who came and went. For the times you stepped back and let the new posters go at it….or rallied to the thread, for the times you held your tongues and everytime you didn’t, it was appreciated. I know it wasn’t easy to have DD invaded by hoards of people, at one time…however, it appears we have all weathered the storm…including a few thunderbolts thrown by Morbid himself. Thank you all….That said, here is my previous post from the latest older thread…..
And now, I weep.
Not because I failed to realize, long ago that Caylee no longer walked the same earth as us. Not because I held on far to long to hope that there was another explaination. Not because it took me forever to even catch a glimpse into the heart of Casey Anthony, and the ability of a mother to harm her child, let alone KILL her child.
Not because I prayed she would be found, not because it finally was either. Not because of the horror of her final moments, or because of the way in which Caylee’s remains were disrespected and disregarded.
I weep because now there are those who weep with me. NOW, in death, Caylee has the love she never had in life….in her death, and only there she is loved, like a child should be loved.
Parents who kill children, aren’t capable of love. Grandparents who intentionally give conflicting information and false statements, in hopes of saving a daughter who killed their grandchild, aren’t capable of love either.
I hope the love of a nation, travels or translates in the place Caylee is now, and she laughs, sings and dances under the rainbow of that love.
9:05 pm on December 19th, 2008
Thanks Imp for the new story.. I bawled during NG (I only watched about 15 min of it though I hate how she interrupts her guests when they don’t agree with her.) I’m so glad that this beautiful little girl will finally be laid to rest properly, instead of just discarded in the woods like garbage.
9:12 pm on December 19th, 2008
I heard that Kronk, actually was assigned to that area during August…I am sure he felt instinctually then that he had found “something” hence his dedicated attempt to make someone listen. Sadly that didn’t happen.
I also heard that just this month he was reassigned to this area. And bless him, apparently still needed answers. I seriously hope that he does not hold himself responsible for the dely in finding Caylee, I hope he doesn’t feel bad or that he could have done more.
Seriously, anyone of us would have done the same, after three phone calls, the first of which from Kronk’s POV wasn’t responded to, the second, got a response and a responding deputy with an ear and a “this area was cleared by cadaver dogs”, and still even after that a third call, with a responding deputy, who sent Kronk on his way, and didn’t investigate….Kronk tried, Kronk was ignored.
And he still went back….right back, as soon as his job reposted him back. I think, he is a hero.
My God! without him, they would have never found her, Casey would have had better odds, the Anthony’s would have continued their lies and denial…..and we all would have continued to wonder….
Thank you Mr. Kronk….
9:40 pm on December 19th, 2008
Finally, this precious angel can be laid to rest with the love and respect she deserves! Rest in peace pretty girl!
I guess the calls in August clear the way for Mr. Kronk to get the reward, huh? It was said that he couldn’t get it because he called 911 instead of the tip line…now we know he called the tip line first.
9:41 pm on December 19th, 2008
Amen! My husband and I are one of those desperate families trying to adopt. We would have given that angel a home in a heartbeat.
10:31 pm on December 19th, 2008
The Childrens’ Last Word)
Between all death and birth
We walk the cloudways of the endless sky;
We never asked to find this way to fly.
Between Heaven and Earth
And all levels of Hell, we watch and wait,
For justice done, before it is too late.
For every murdered child
We fly with all prevailing winds of change,
For any quirk of fate we may arrange.
We are not “meek” or “mild”;
Don’t turn your back when twilight dims the sky –
We’ll haunt the perpetrators till they die!
lets hope casey will be haunted till day she dies
10:49 pm on December 19th, 2008
This has been bothering me since I heard about the utility worker reporting the remains back in Aug. He called in the tips Aug 11, 12 & 13. So I went and looked up the past time line, Anthony Rusciano was fired on Aug 21st……I wonder if maybe he took the calls or was the officer that went to check the site and just didn’t say what he found? Maybe not but I would love for that to be the case because the defense couldn’t use it in anyway…i dunno just thinking out loud here…….
11:05 pm on December 19th, 2008
Rest in peace, baby girl..
I don’t know why, but seeing the book just tossed on the ground makes me want to cry.
11:42 pm on December 19th, 2008
Tears streamed down my face when I first read this post earlier. Although I knew what the outcome would be months ago, I prayed that they would find her alive. As a mom I can’t even begin to fathom the actions Casey took. My mind won’t allow me to even go there. The picture of her favorite book laying there, will haunt me for a long time.
No words can express the saddness I feel. I’m sorry baby Caylee that there was no one there to protect you from the very people who were supposed to love and protect you.
Rest in Peace sweet baby Caylee
Karma has a way of coming back and biting you in the ass. I just pray that the entire Anthony family gets theirs and thensome.
12:30 am on December 20th, 2008
RIP little Caylee.
It makes my blood boil to think about Casey and her high-fives with Lee when she was out of jail. Vile, disgusting, toad that she is…all the while knowing her daughter was discarded in the woods like a bag of trash.
I actually felt kind of bad for the rest of the Anthonys, at one time. Now, I’m just angry. Angry that they asked for the media’s help and then turned hostile when the trail lead back to them. Angry that Cindy flew all over the country to defend her murderous daughter, when her granddaughter’s dead body lay less than a mile from her own house. I hope that haunts their nightmares for the rest of their lives. Angry that Casey got famous for killing her child and actually thought about profiting from it . I’m just so damn angry!!
There’s talk amongst a few of my Facebook friends that the error of the police not finding the remains when first reported could lead to a mistrial? Is there really any chance of that? I sure as hell hope not!
12:54 am on December 20th, 2008
I dont see how,,its not gone to trial yet so that wouldnt happen.The biggest thing that will come from them not finding it sooner will be the defense arguing that someone else did it,someone else moved CAYLEE while casey was in jail.They will try and pin it on the meter man,zanny,manny,etc,etc .They will argue that someone else did it and set her up by dumping CAYLEE so close to home.They will say shes not that stupid to dump her there!!Well she is that stupid,took cops to universal-lied,borrowed shovel- i mean cmon if your gonna fucking bury a murder you committed dont fucking borrow from neighbor!!LOL if this wasnt so serious and sad it would almost be funny on one of those dumb crook shows but its not funny,,casey is just plain evil and STUPID,.Wonder if her lawyer got her knocked up during all their sessions!!I also wonder since she hid that pregnancy so well till almost 7 months makes me wonder if she ever has had another without anyone knowing she was preg and dumped that one there too never got caught and decided to use same spot.O.K my imaginations running away now snowed in all day again and too much time on computer but such a weird case makes you think of many things
2:26 am on December 20th, 2008
Okay, I don’t want to get into all this– because I know you guys have taken way more time investigating and discussing this case. But how is this not totally weird?? Why didn’t the guy open the bag himself? Or something? It just seems so freaking weird.
4:32 am on December 20th, 2008
What is more weird is this statement:
If you look at the crime scene pics – the body/bag wasn’t “deeply” in the woods at all. It was a mere 15 feet from the road! That leads one to wonder – (A) Was the deputy just too lazy or put out to even really GO into the woods? (B) Was this the same deputy that was fired and he was NOT going to look for something that would implicate Casey even further? (C) Did he just write that he went there when he actually never did?
Personally, if after my 3rd call, no one did anything and the bag was still there… I’d have had to have a peek inside. At the very least, I would have poked at it to see if it felt like a bunch of garbage – or a human body was inside. Hell, I might have done that before or after the FIRST call. Perhaps that’s just me…
As for the book? If little Caylee was killed after that visit to Great Grandpa – she would have had the book with her and it seems reasonable that it would have gone in the bag with her body. Perhaps the doll NOT making it in was an oversight and by the time it was realized she’d already sealed the bag and wasn’t gonna re-open it. Or, if someone else helped her, they could have already taken the bag by the time she found the doll. It’s possible Casey had someone else dispose of little Caylee and Casey didn’t want to know where they dumped her. Could be she’s sitting there pissed now cuz they dumped her so close to home. Gee Casey – If you paid them to help you with sexual favors instead of money – perhaps this just goes to show you they didn’t think it was all that great! *smirk* Rotten Cunt!
Lee getting a lawyer the same day DNA proves this to be Caylee is a bit curious. Perhaps he now worries the DNA is gonna prove much more than that.
Also, on the other thread, someone implied that if they knew “how” Caylee died, they’d have to tell us. Not true. The only ones they HAVE to tell are the defense. Until the trial, they don’t HAVE to tell the public anything. And as for telling the defense – they can stall on that for as long as they want to – as long as they eventually disclose everything. Gives the defense less time to come up with plausible explanations for planting reasonable doubt. It’s a thin line though – if they hold it back and have a good reason to do so – fine. But if they can’t convince the judge that their reasons were good – it could be thrown out for withholding evidence. Especially if it the defense and/or judge deems it “exculpatory” (To clear of guilt or blame) which is usually why the prosecution tries to put off turning it over.
Just think how difficult it’s gonna be to find a jury. Damn near everyone in the nation – not just Orlando or Florida has heard about this case and formed an opinion on it. Jury selection alone is gonna take weeks or months – and change of venue is a real possibility.
Does anyone have the link to the video I keep hearing about where Caylee is singing “You are my sunshine”?
4:51 am on December 20th, 2008
I agree. I’m thinking that if I saw what appeared to be a body in a garbage bag, I knew this child was missing, and the police didn’t seem to do anything about it I’d open that bag! Why wait? Maybe he thought they actually checked it out and it was not what it appeared? Who knows.
I haven’t commented in a while because you guys usually touch all the bases and then some. Thanks Imp for the great writing,…it’s why we all love you!
I’m glad this sweet child’s body was found so she can have a proper, respectful burial.
Anyone heard anything from the oh so supportive grandparents? I feel kinda bad for them. I have a 22yr old daughter. I can’t imagine how I would feel to know the child I raised was capable of murdering her own child. It’s just a horrible situation all around.
It will be interesting to see what happens from here.
It’s good to see everyone “together” again. I’ve been watching from the sidelines, but been here all along. I’ll still be here when we all get to celebrate the day this miserable excuse for a human being gets what’s coming to her!
5:25 am on December 20th, 2008
Wow… you guys raise some excellent points.
First, I do think Roy Kronk opened that bag. He originally said that he went to pick up the bag and Caylee’s skull came out, so he put the bag down and called 911.
Knowing now that he had called several times with no result, and knowing that animals had obviously gotten into the bag and scattered some of Caylee’s bones around.. I think he decided to open the bag a little bit more to see for himself. I can imagine that for months he thought – but wasn’t sure – he knew what was in that bag. He just needed to be sure, I think.
I was looking at a few pictures of the area, and I think that, at just 15 feet off the road, there was so much thick vegetation during the summer that Caylee was hidden very well. Between the lush vegetation in the area and the rainfall that started to blow in during late August, it’s a little understandable to me why the bag wasn’t immediately noticeable. What doesn’t make sense to me is the lack of followup.
I don’t know what Anthony Rusciano was up to the week after Caylee’s birthday, but it does make one wonder.
I still have a lot of unanswered questions.
8:39 am on December 20th, 2008
Caylee’s Dead.
Something most of us were sure of months ago.
What I don’t understand is…
Why was this such a popular story?
Was it just the “Missing White Girl Syndrome” ?
I mean, come on…she wasn’t even blonde!
9:26 am on December 20th, 2008
I wondered that myself at first… before I really read anything.
What made it stand out (for me) was that she was “missing” 31 days before being reported missing and then from there, the case just took so many bizarre twists and turns. Casey isn’t your “average” baby killer. She is socio/psychopathic and it became a game of “catch me if you can.” It wouldn’t have mattered to ME what skin color/hair color/eye color this child or her parents had – it was the story itself. ALL children are beautiful and NONE deserve to die. Outwardly, had Caylee not been a “missing” or “murdered” child, some may have passed her on the street and thought “how cute” while others thought “eh, mine’s cuter”… but she took on an “angelic” presence when danger surrounded her. The buffugliest child in the world would look the same under the same circumstances.
I believe 110% had this been a black, hispanic or asian child – boy OR girl – everyone on here would have STILL been just as fervent in their search/demand for justice.
9:41 am on December 20th, 2008
Great question, Satan, and one I’ve asked myself many times.
For certain, I found Caylee’s story compelling and bizarre from the start. But there are so many stories that effect me deeply, I can’t say I feel any more for Caylee Marie Anthony that I do for Giovanni Gonzalez or Denim Sylvester or Aziriah Nino or Kyra Wine or Riley Sawyers or Danieal Kelly or Rowan Ford, etc.
They’re all here on the pages of the DD, and not one of them deserved to be.
10:06 am on December 20th, 2008
#1.) The Anthonys’ DON’T have to tell their defense anything. If they played a role in it, and, told the lawyer they did, the lawyer couldn’t simply claim the Anthonys had no role… He/She could be censured, and/or be disbarred.
#2.) The LE screw-ups could cause some SERIOUS “reasonable doubt” to be in play. IE: LE themselves said that area was not an “area-of-interest,” after investigtions and several “searches” generated by 911, and the Tip-Line. LE has made the whole prosecution teams jobs MUCH harder, while making the defenses’ jobs a lot easier. I hope that lazy, chicken-shit, afraid-of-a-snake LEO gets suspension w/o pay, then fired. Hey NUMBNUTS, do these words sound familiar? …Animal Control!
11:17 am on December 20th, 2008
I to Peeper feel it is a time for forgiviness, we both are very outspoken and strong minded women, who have butted heads in the past. This little girl has def. put the trivialness of our differences on this site into persective for me as well. I to would like to apologize for any past disagreements.
We ulimately have had the same goal this entire time. To bring that baby home through whatever means we had to help see that happen.
Today my heart still grieves for Caylee, I can still hear her singing “You are My Sunshine”. What chance did this child ever have in this family….would she have been a clone of her mother? What evil was going on behind those walls..was casey a victim of incest and was it just a matter of time before Caylee fell victim too? God knows better than we ever will why He allowed events to unfold as they did. I do know there is a scripture in the bible that says “it is better to tie a milstone around ones neck and cast themselves into the sea than to hurt a child”. I believe that is Gods way of saying that the punishment for someone who harms a child is something we could not even imagine.
I believe we will see as this all comes out cindy’s involvement in trying to shield her daughter and maybe even lee as well. But George I think he is a truly devastated man, and will at the first oppertunity distance himself from the rest of the family. He allowed cindy to twist his mind around something he so desperately wanted to believe anyway..and she took advantage of that small spark of hope he had and played on it. Agian all his reasoning agianest everything his heart and mind was telling him, he latched on to that life raft of hope cindy dangled in front of him. I truly hope cindy ends up doing jail time, and George can go on with his life somehow without having to deal with the devil and her daughter.
11:28 am on December 20th, 2008
Who is Roy Kronk? http://www.RoyKronk.com
11:43 am on December 20th, 2008
RIP SWEET GIRL……..Why are people so captivated by this story? For myself, it is because my daughter at her age resembled Caylee, and being a mother, I cannot understand murdering a child just to be rid of her. I have been very angry at my kids, but murder!!!!!!!!!! That to me is unthinkable!!!!!!!!!! The other reason I think that all of us are interested is to understand how people act and we wonder about their personalities, and want to see them pay for what they have done. (YA, too bad we can’t do the same thing to the people who are lying and taking the money in the bailiout GGGGGGRRRRRRR)
I was shocked to find out that the bones they found was Caylee, but not surprised. All the people that have followed this story since the beginning have wanted to know what happened to this precious little girl. Now that we know, and that it is IMPOSSIBLE for her to have put herself there, there are still many questions that need to be answered.
With all the people on “THE DREAM TEAM”, I’d say that having Dr. G do the autopsy was great for the Prosecution, due to her being a celebrity (well, we gotta have at least one to their 5!!!!), and to her devotion to the job. Oh, and let’s not forget all of those who helped gather the evidence.
As far as the meter reader goes, I can’t believe that people think he is suspect. He NEVER DISTURBED THE EVIDENCE, OR PUT HER THERE, I STRONGLY BELIEVE, he is just a concerned person who felt that something was wrong and followed up till Caylee was found. The people who are tipsters are often blamed, and sometimes it can be true. But in this case, I do not feel that he had anything to do with it. People are afraid to be involved for this very reason, they could be accused are we are seeing.
If you look at all the Anthonys, they do not have normal reactions. Do I think G and C had something to do with it? Very good possibility. Lee? He is not what I call a reputable person, who do you think is signing on CA’s myspace page??? Lots of hate mail there, lots of people who hate baby killers…….She didn’t want to talk to her pastor, but to her “Dream Team”……hmmmmmm……Even Lee’s gf, I wonder what her role in this play is. Zanny? FNon-existant. She is a psychopath, needs to pay for what she did, her only concern is for herself and her self-preservation. Eveyone around her, including JB (or is that BJ??) is covering for her. Is she paying with sex? lol, that’s the only thing she seems to be good at lmao……
I will wait for further evidence, there will be no surprises thanks to NG and all the others who reported the story. I want to see her burn, or maybe turn the jailbird dykes on her. I bet she will talk fast then if they put her in general population!!!! C’mere honey I’ll show you what good luvin is!!! hehe
Does anyone know if they are doing a paternity test on Lee? I have heard that he might be Caylee’s father…….ugh!!!!! Having a brother who’s fucking ugly mug is registered on Megan’s Website, I get shivers when I think of incest…….if this is true, this is one dysfunctional family. My last thought is that don’t for one second believe that any of these people are or have ever been happy, they just can’t be!!!!!!!!!!!
11:50 am on December 20th, 2008
Right on. In Massachusetts we now have the supposed confession of a child killer and body chopper upper and child bits hider – where is the outrage?
I was and am taken in by Caylee and her bizarre case but I so hear you about all the cases that should never have be.
12:32 pm on December 20th, 2008
Get yourself a fresh cup of coffee, this is going to be a long one. Rambling thoughts:
A mistrial occurs when something happens AT TRIAL that would cause a defendant to not get a fair trial. Since there is not trial in progress, there is no mistrial.
Can anyone tell me for sure that what is pictured is a book? Can anyone tell me for sure that is Caylee’s book? At best to this point, it has been speculated that what is in that picture “could” be a book.
There is no marker in the picture indicating it is an item to be collected and cataloged or an item of interest. Other pictures from that same set show several items marked in that way. Even the picture leading into the area has a marker on the ground indicating an item marked as evidence.
It is very unlikely that investigators snapped a picture of an item of so valuable, evidence wise, as Caylee’s book without marking it in some way.
It is also unlikely that investigators released a picture of actual evidence to the public, especially not properly marked and cataloged as it would give the defense an “ah hah!” moment of “see, here is an example of how poorly they handled the scene.”
I would wager these pictures were reviewed several times for content before they were released. These pics are part of an ongoing investigation and are not subject to public records requests.
We know already from past released documents that Tony Rusciano was looked at very close. I personally don’t doubt that investigators looked his actions thoroughly between the time he had contact with Casevil and the day he was dismissed for concealing that contact from them. I know if I were the SA (State’s Attorney) assigned to this case, I would have directed the investigators to tell me his every action during that time. Had that investigation shown that he was assigned to check on any lead in the case, that lead would have been re-check in a most diligent way.
Some other points that cross my mind.
It was reported yesterday that Lee has a lawyer, not that he hired a lawyer yesterday. There is a difference. Who knows how long this lawyer has been on retainer?
With all the speculation and accusations flying around the press and every blog known to man, I’d hire a lawyer if I were him as well. Same goes to Mr. Kronk. They both would be fools not to.
Lee not giving DNA:
Once you are in the DNA data base, you don’t come out of the DNA data base. If you are not in it, you really don’t want to be in it. His reasoning for not wanting to give a sample may be for other reasons, but its not unreasonable to want to remain out of the DNA database.
Lee not giving finger prints:
Lets just say for argument, that Lee has figured out that Casevil killed Caylee on his own and knows that she used a trash bag from the Anthony house. He also knows that at some time he has used trash bags form that same roll she used in the past month. By him innocently tearing a bag off the roll she used leaves his finger prints on possibly the bag she used to dispose of Caylee and now makes him a suspect in a murder investigation. All who would like to make yourselves a suspect in a murder investigation, no matter how innocent you may be, raise your hand.
Tape:
If the tape showed signs of vomit either on the tape of having been there, that might suggest that the tape was placed prior to death. Also the presence of saliva, found in a similar manner as is done with stamps of envelopes, might suggest the tape was placed prior to death.
On the other hand, if evidence of the presence of dead blow flies and or maggots could suggest the tape was placed after death. Blow flies head of the mouth very early after death. If parts of a blow fly are found stuck to the tape it more than likely was placed after they had made their way into Caylee’s mouth soon after death.
The fact that two pump up sprayers were removed from the Anthony home could support this in a way. Say for instance if Caylee had been hidden in the sand box that the cadaver dogs hit on for a day, maybe more. After a day or so exposed to soil, blow flies would be present. What if whomever placed the body there checked on the body after a day and noticed the flies or maggots and used “bug spray” to try and get rid of the bugs or used it to try and keep them from attacking the body?
This might suggest that CSIs found dead blow flies or maggots in or around the body.
Remember back when George blew up on the day Casevil got out of jail the first time? Remember his little “walk” he took? What direction did he go from the house? Yup, he walked down that direction. What does that mean? Fuck if I know, but I bet he feels like shit knowing he may have walked right past her body that day.
Kronk:
Just maybe, this is a guy that understands that most people dumping a body stay within their “comfort zone” and don’t go far from the places they know. I figure he has 250,000 reasons for searching that area and making three calls to report his “suspicions”. At the time the reward was still on.
I could see calls #2 & 3 being out of frustration. ‘Hey, I’m trying to make $250K here people, help me out “.
During his press conference yesterday he said some things that are telling. He ended with a statement that all the details of his talks with LE will come out at the appropriate time, read: when the highest bidder is identified.
Why does he need a lawyer? If you saw all the speculation as to your motives and involvement in the press and on blogs AND had a story to sell, wouldn’t you have a lawyer?
Based on Casevil’s comments of “they haven’t even found her clothes yet”, I’d have hundreds of searchers covering that entire wooded area where the body was found. I figure the lost blackjack phone and another bag with Caylee’s clothes are in that wooded area and they have not covered even 1/4 of that wooded area.
Ok, enough for now, but there is more…maybe later
R
12:46 pm on December 20th, 2008
Who gives a fuck? Go advertise some place else.
R
1:04 pm on December 20th, 2008
With no cause of death it is intresting that Dr. G was still convinced it was a homicide. I wonder if we will find out later that the tape around the head was excessive almost like a mummy. Will we find out that Caylees hands and possibly feet were bound with duct tape also. Could there have been tackiness on the fingernails of Caylee or marks on the tape suggesting she tried at some point to pull it off before she died. I have heard that fingernails continue to grow after one dies, possibly leaving behind more forensic evidence. Although I suppose it the above was true they would have a cause of death and it would be suffocation.
Which leads me back to my earlier point obviously Dr. G was unable to determine whether the tape was placed on the face/head before or after death. I would think if she had been able to determine it was prior then wouldn’t we then have a cause of death?
I agree about the book, I think it would have been flagged in some way if it was evidence and I don’t really think they would have released a picture with actual pieces of evidence in it.
I wonder though, if the pictures we did get via the media were released to the public before they were turned over to Baez…that would be a nasty little slap in his face and funny as hell.
1:21 pm on December 20th, 2008
I think what factored into it not getting checked the most is that it was not well hidden.
Everyone was looking for something that was buried or hidden extremely well somewhere nobody ever goes. There was also a lot speculation of being thrown to the gators. So when someone calls in and says there is a trash bag lying just off the road in some woods they were thinking pfff, yeah right, like that’s going to be it.
1:43 pm on December 20th, 2008
Maybe Roy Kronk opened the bag only he knows.But how many times have we watched in the news where a person goes from finding something to being main suspect when it comes out later that they arent involved and were just checked out damage is done.I cant honestly say what I would do in that position.I found a body when I was 12 with 3 of my friends we couldnt be suspects as the body was floating in the water but we freaked so bad trying to get to my mom and tell her to call 911 we ran past the front door.So if he did open and look who knows how anyone would react or even question himself.Especially after calling 3xs having deputy meet him there,thought the deputy checked it out maybe began second guessing himself since it was such a high profile case and LE at the time didnt seem to think his find was important.
1:58 pm on December 20th, 2008
I just don’t get that evil family/incest vibe from Caylee. It’s obvious that this child was adored by her grandparents – hey, someone had to teach her the song You Are My Sunshine, right? Definitely not a Twinkle Twinkle number for a two year old. Caylee would have grown up very happily had Casey just took off and left her with Cindy & George, I think. Prolly a few issues from being dumped and having a sociopath for a Mom, but think she would have thrived with them raising her. JonBenet-Family this is NOT.
*fresh cup of coffee in hand*
This case definitely would NOT have grabbed the media spotlight or the breathless attention of America had Caylee been a low income minority girl. Maybe a dash of racism but mainly because we’re fascinated by the monsters who look like us.
Has there been any other reports about Casey using this area as a Pet Sematary? I’d be interested to know if there were a LOT of such burials – as in child-Casey killing small animals? ‘Cause I DO get a weird evil-incest vibe off Casey. (She’d prolly be Fire Starter too, if it wasn’t so damn swampy around her house.)
2:20 pm on December 20th, 2008
BINGO! Hope the prosecution is reading along. Also great observation about the pre/post mortem implications on the tape, harleyT. (Haven’t learned how to quote more than one para.)
more random fresh coffee in hand observations:
I have stumbled upon dead things in my life in rural MO . . . in the woods . . . in ditchlines . . . first reaction is revulsion/flight/avoidance. I can totally understand Kronke’s hesitation – nothing suspicious there for me.
2:38 pm on December 20th, 2008
Why such a popular story? “Missing White Girl Syndrome”. I am going to try to frame this abstractly from a personal perspective. I don’t think any one part of this story would have driven the masses to DD, or the popularity of the story. I am suggesting that in the combined unrealistic information and the spirit of human nature to define evil,…is the root of the attraction.
1st news breaks that there is a 2 year old child, who has been missing for over a month and yet her mother did not report it……media runs the story, and here is where it gets interesting.
I believe that individuals who deem themselves “normal” want to be as far removed from those who commit horrendous acts as possible.
When I was a kid, I would see a scary movie, I was never scared because you had to go to camp crystal lake, for bad things to happen, or live on elm street. Because I didn’t do either, I wasn’t afraid of Freddie or Jason…
Likewise, people who are abnormal, have a drug problem, are unstable, are dirty, live in a trailer park, are poor, are an ethnic minority or ect…commit crimes do horrible things. “Not people like me”. If we cannot explain it away or reason it away, it hits too close to home. It makes the possiblity of the impossible, possible….bare with me and let me explain more (wink).
It is because of this inherent need to point fingers and seperate ourselves from “them” that we all gather at DD…to rage, shake our fist and condemn these asshats…..
Now in the Caylee story, you take an apparent “normal” young mother, from an outwardly “normal” family, who doesnt report her missing daughtter for a month, and individuals try to find the seperation.
In the beginning, everyone hoped, that Caylee was alive…even those that KNEW Caylee was dead, and that her mother had killed her, on some level tried to find the seperation, the :”abnormal”, the reason why.
As if the reason “Why” would somehow prove not all individual’s are capable of murder. In order to cement the seperation we “discovered ” that LEE is Caylee’s father, Casey partied way to much (surely why her daughter was missing -or more importantly after she killed her) but she wasn’t going out all that often prior to then. That Cindy was psycho, that Casey was involved in drugs,
Everyone involved was suspect, right down to Kronk….because this story had to be more than it was…. it had to be “abnormal”….
that Casey is NOT normal, raised in a city like yours, going to a high school like mine, with a mom and a dad who weren’t divorced, with the same issues like that of many young single mothers….
The final fuel of this burning flame is the information, so much information, so much to investigate in the search for abnormal….for seperation. Seriously how often have you seen so much information released on a case?
I would bet money that the more informational sources (myspace, facebook right to sheriff department releases) you have on a single story, the more people rally around….in their quest of proof they are good, normal and never capable of bad…..
so in our quest for “better than” and “not capable” people here bonded, rallied and joined in one voice, people felt….How many times did we hear :she reminds me of my daughter” or “I have a daughter that age”….individuals were seeking affirmation.
Caylee became a symbol, and deeply affected us all, she represented daughters, fear, and horror at the possiblities….
There is an interesting article on CNN today, pointing out evil, using the Milgram experiment as a center peice….it is an interesting read.
“It’s situations that make ordinary people into evil monsters, and it’s situations that make ordinary people into heroes,”
CNN – Charting the psychology of evil, decades after ’shock’ experiment
So Casey Anthony becomes examined, picked apart, every text message, every cell phone call, every friend, every family member…every speculation run to its course….stand back folks….”SHE IS NOT US, SHE CANNOT BE RAISED, NURTURED AND TREATED LIKE US, SHE CANNOT BE LIKE US BECAUSE WE WOULD NEVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT…..”
Do I have the answers….NO….just my personal reasoning relating to the drive of popularity in this case….That said….
Was there one story that brought you here? Was there one story here or in your life that causes you to relate better? Did unimaginable violence touch you from somewhere at sometime? I would guess there is. Perhaps not. However, the result is for what ever reason, you are not in the “seperation mode” or “understanding”.
On a whole different level you see evil for what it is…and probably have a more secure place inside yourself. People who have been here for the Caylee story will have some of that…some of them…
I think this difference in perspectives, understanding and knowledge of evil or bad and capabilites of humans is the reason some individuals here became frusterated with the people on this thread….
The attachment to Caylee is that for some, there has been a new understanding and for some, there is still struggle to comprehend, identify and relate….If they can’t relate to Casey, they must obsess on connection to Caylee…….
I think people will go beyond Caylee, time will pass, and perhaps they will look at the world differently, perhaps with not so much critical eyes or intensity to seperate, perhaps with a heart now to attempt personal change or societal change. Perhaps people will become more involved in making a difference….
3:10 pm on December 20th, 2008
Excellent thought there, Harley. I was a little confused about why LE would collect the insecticide sprayers as evidence, but your theory would explain it easily.
Komak, I’m willing to believe that you’re mostly right. You have been correct for most of the case. I always look forward to your posts.
For me though, I was drawn into this case by all the lying. When I heard that a child had been missing for a month without the mother reporting it, I thought, “Well, this case won’t take very long to figure out.”
Then when I read that she lied to the cops about her job, I thought WTF? And then I read that she stole money from her friends and family. And it just got weirder and weirder after that.
3:19 pm on December 20th, 2008
Harley, all I have to say is DAMN you really thought all this through. You do know how to express your thoughts in writing and you have some damn good points. Actually, there wasn’t a thing in your post for me to disagree with. Looking forward to your next post.
3:25 pm on December 20th, 2008
I agree. For me, the sheer mystery of this case in particular, and the bizarre circumstances are what made it stand out. I am a true crime fanatic..always wanted to be in the legal or law enforcement field but I had a child early so I’m just an armchair sleuth now. I don’t care *more* about Caylee than the other missing children. I just have more to say about the case because there is so much weirdness surrounding it.
I am not so sure. I believe that there are regulations that state you can only be put into the (CODIS?) database once convicted of a crime. If you are providing DNA for elimination or comparison in a specific case, it can only be used for that case.
I didn’t finish reading your post though-because I was afraid I’d forget what I wanted to say. Off to finish…
3:29 pm on December 20th, 2008
What is this?
Me too Imp me too. Might I add to everyone else who has thanked you. Thank you Imp for the time, effort and the writings you have done on the Caylee Marie story. I’m sorry for the trouble it has caused you and Morbid at times but thank you for the patience you both have had with us all.
3:40 pm on December 20th, 2008
I disagree.
I think the tape was a key factor in determining it was a homicide, but whether it was placed before or after doesn’t give a cause of death. She may have been smothered, poisoned, mortally cut somewhere, overdosed, drowned, strangled…and I’m sure more possibilities exist. None of those necessarily would have left evidence on the bones, and several could have been done in a way that left little or no trace in any tissue that was recovered.
I remember as a kid laying in bed after watching movies like that and thinking of all the differences between myself and the victims so I wouldn’t be as scared, lol. Just thought it was funny that you hit on that exact piece of human nature.
But for me, I’m Hispanic not white, so the “like me” argument doesn’t really resonate in me. It was just the “what crazy thing has happened NOW?” that kept me interested. And, I live very close to the area, so I hear about it on the news all the time…I’m sure that kept my interest buoyed. I really think it is that simple in most cases. Well, maybe not most, but many.
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