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Karrae Starr Is “The REAL CRAZY BITCH!”

October 2, 2008 at 8:08 am by  

Sometimes, as a blogger, you order up the crazy.  Sometimes you have to go look for the crazy.  And sometimes, like today, a friend lends a hand and brings the crazy to you.   Steve Huff must have known I was running low on the crazy, so he sent over a gift-wrapped parcel of insanity from his blog, True Crime Report. The writeup is mine, but much of the information came from him.  Thanks, Steve! – Now With More Delicious Video Goodness!

2akaipv Karrae Starr Is The REAL CRAZY BITCH!

http://www.myspace.com/my_baby_bianca & http://www.bebo.com/KarraeStarr

Herrin, IL - Bianca Nicole Starr celebrated her third birthday just weeks ago.  Thanks to her mother, 18-year-old Karrae Starr, little Bianca will never see four.  On Saturday, September 27, police were called to Karrae and Bianca’s apartment.  Bianca was unresponsive.  A few hours later, Bianca was dead.   The only person at home with the toddler on Saturday was her mother, Karrae.

Karrae Starr never had it easy growing up, and she grew up too fast. She spent time in foster care as a child, and she got pregnant at fourteen. At fifteen, she had Bianca.   Still, though, Karrae had managed to go to high school at Carbondale High School from 2005 to 2007.  She also got into the nursing program at  John A. Logan College.  While Karrae went to school, Bianca went to the campus daycare, where she was known as a bright, sociable preschooler.

Karrae’s friends are in shock.  No way could she have killed her child, they say.  And Karrae’s Myspace and Bebo pages seem to bear that out.  Multiple proud pictures of Bianca grace Karrae’s internet presence.  There’s not a lot of “O I Luv Mii Boiifrenn” in Karrae’s blogs, either.  In fact, Karrae described herself as bi, or possibly gay.  She wasn’t totally sure yet where she was in terms of sexual orientation, but she was pretty sure that the stuff she’d already tried wasn’t working for her.

Overall, I found Karrae’s internet presence to be caring toward her child, a little pseudo-tough-cool, and….young.  For example, her Myspace headline reads: “If you really want to know I am the REAL CRAZY BITCH! and dont forget it.”

At eighteen, many teenagers can’t keep their bedrooms clean, much less provide for a child. Karrae seemed to be getting her shit together, and trying to keep it there.  But, like Karrae’s mother Dierdre Gibbs said at Steve’s site, “People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.”

Yeah, we know, Deirdre.  We totally know.

Karrae’s neighbors described Bianca as a child who would ask them for ice cream or other treats, and they would happily oblige the pretty toddler.  One neighbor told police that she saw Bianca huddled underneath a table the day before her death.  The neighbor remarked that it seemed odd for such a small child to look so depressed.  Other neighbors noted that Karrae had begun drinking heavily, even though she was three years too young to drink legally.  And Karrae herself noted in a blog entry that she had lost custody of Bianca for a time in 2007.

Karrae’s family blames “the system” for Bianca’s death.  I’m not sure why.  The system didn’t place its hand over Bianca’s nose and mouth until the baby died, spewing blood and foam from her burst lung tissue all over the system.  Nope, that was Karrae Starr who suffocated her daughter for entire minutes at a time, getting her baby’s blood all over herself.

Some will say Karrae snapped from the pressure of single, young parenthood and its attendant poverty.  Others will say that Bianca was quite verbal and may have thrown a temper tantrum or mouthed off to her mother until Karrae snapped.  Still others (*coughkarrae’sgrandmacough*) will call Bianca’s death a “drunken accident”.   I have never been so drunk that I could hurt my child.  I have never been so angry that I could clamp my hand over a baby’s face and wait the two to four minutes it takes to kill a toddler who is struggling to breathe, looking into her face, watching the pain as her lung tissue blows, the panic as her body tries desperately to get air, the messiness and horror of a murderous death as the life leaves the face of a child.  Nope, I just don’t have it in me.

But Karrae Starr did.

Karrae Starr is being held at the Williamson County Jail, where she is charged with two counts of first-degree murder.  She was in court Monday for arraignment, and her bond was set at $500,000 or $50,000 cash.  She’ll be back in court on October 6 for another hearing.

Rest in peace, baby girl.  I’m sorry your family failed you.  I’m sorry your mother killed you.

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  • CassieMomma

    Did you see the love that Bianca had when she looked up at her Mother in that picture, how could she do that to her???????? Such a sweet, beautiful little girl.

    I really hate when people blame alcohol or drugs. Sure you do loose your ability to make good decisions, but you made that initial decision to get drunk, high, etc. No excuse, sorry!

  • CassieMomma

    Did you see the love that Bianca had when she looked up at her Mother in that picture, how could she do that to her???????? Such a sweet, beautiful little girl.

    I really hate when people blame alcohol or drugs. Sure you do loose your ability to make good decisions, but you made that initial decision to get drunk, high, etc. No excuse, sorry!

  • http://truecrimereport.com/ SHuff

    Glad I could help, my friends. And you know already that you may have some interesting folks show up to the party :)

  • http://truecrimereport.com/ SHuff

    Glad I could help, my friends. And you know already that you may have some interesting folks show up to the party :)

  • http://duatmush.homelinux.com/ Isis

    Looking at her MySpace has me really confused now. For all appearances, it seems she loved Bianca very much. But then… she doesn’t say a single word about it. I was hoping to see some remorse, I guess, something more heartfelt than a short video clip of Bianca’s pictures.

    Poor, beautiful little girl.

  • http://duatmush.homelinux.com Isis

    Looking at her MySpace has me really confused now. For all appearances, it seems she loved Bianca very much. But then… she doesn’t say a single word about it. I was hoping to see some remorse, I guess, something more heartfelt than a short video clip of Bianca’s pictures.

    Poor, beautiful little girl.

  • mjmsepm

    as a parent you have the responsability to take care of that child I will be 23 and have not had a drink since my 3 year old was born. my hubby dont drink around our boys for the fact your children shouldnt grow up like that…

  • mjmsepm

    as a parent you have the responsability to take care of that child I will be 23 and have not had a drink since my 3 year old was born. my hubby dont drink around our boys for the fact your children shouldnt grow up like that…

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    On her Bebo she writes:

    Scared Of
    COTTONBALLS (I HATE THEM!!!!!) Also my daughter being hurt in anyway. I will fuck some one up over her so dont even fuckin try the shit.

    Yeah, Karrae… we’ll leave that up to YOUR dumb ass!

    If you read between the lines on her Bebo comments and stuff… it seems her life was one drama after another… she was FAR from grown up! That baby was a showy toy for her!

    To me, she’s just another “look at me” teen who finally had enough of the “inconvenient infant/toddler syndrome” and got rid of her “problem.” She had a mean temper, judging from her writings.

    R.I.P. Bianca…. you deserved so much better.

  • Zibarro

    On her Bebo she writes:

    Scared Of
    COTTONBALLS (I HATE THEM!!!!!) Also my daughter being hurt in anyway. I will fuck some one up over her so dont even fuckin try the shit.

    Yeah, Karrae… we’ll leave that up to YOUR dumb ass!

    If you read between the lines on her Bebo comments and stuff… it seems her life was one drama after another… she was FAR from grown up! That baby was a showy toy for her!

    To me, she’s just another “look at me” teen who finally had enough of the “inconvenient infant/toddler syndrome” and got rid of her “problem.” She had a mean temper, judging from her writings.

    R.I.P. Bianca…. you deserved so much better.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Oh… and she was on myspace on Oct. 1st.

    Mood – miserable.

    She has “R.I.P bianca. i love you baby girl”

    Yep… loved you to death!

  • Zibarro

    Oh… and she was on myspace on Oct. 1st.

    Mood – miserable.

    She has “R.I.P bianca. i love you baby girl”

    Yep… loved you to death!

  • Lilbay

    It seems she just found a sister. I am guessing she was adopted or something.

    I just do not get how this kid could lose it like that all of a sudden.

    Seems her little Sister is following behind her with having a baby as a early teen Let’s all pray she does not follow her all the way in her foot steps though.

    That poor little girl She is a beauty how can anyone do that to their child. She had to sit and look at that baby’s eyes God what the hell was she thinking to do this.

  • Lilbay

    It seems she just found a sister. I am guessing she was adopted or something.

    I just do not get how this kid could lose it like that all of a sudden.

    Seems her little Sister is following behind her with having a baby as a early teen Let’s all pray she does not follow her all the way in her foot steps though.

    That poor little girl She is a beauty how can anyone do that to their child. She had to sit and look at that baby’s eyes God what the hell was she thinking to do this.

  • MAjustaMom

    What is this world coming to? When you look back in time, it was not really that long ago that folks graduated High School, got married and started their families by the time they were 18/19 but there wasn’t this baby-killing going on. How can we stop this insanity? From reading, it appears that she pretty much had her act together, no complaints/concerns from neighbors, like this came out of the blue but I can’t imagine this type of rage over one incident? I don’t know, doesn’t make any sense.

    Rest in peace, beautiful baby girl. Rot in hell momma.

  • MAjustaMom

    What is this world coming to? When you look back in time, it was not really that long ago that folks graduated High School, got married and started their families by the time they were 18/19 but there wasn’t this baby-killing going on. How can we stop this insanity? From reading, it appears that she pretty much had her act together, no complaints/concerns from neighbors, like this came out of the blue but I can’t imagine this type of rage over one incident? I don’t know, doesn’t make any sense.

    Rest in peace, beautiful baby girl. Rot in hell momma.

  • kratesis

    From the grandma’s myspace page:http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=126842664

    “Thursday, October 02, 2008

    Biancas Funeral

    Yesterday I burid my beautiful Angel Bianca. I know everyone wants to know what happened , but the truth is only two people know Bianca and Karrae, and Bianca cant tell. I think I know what happened but for Karraes sake I am only going to discuss it with her lawyer. But please do not judge her before you get all the facts. She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.

    Karrae is not the monster people are making her out to be. She loved Bianca more than anything in this world. Ask anyone who knew her. Look at the photos on her myspace”

    So now the excuses for why she killed her daughter are coming out….. “Bi-polar, meds” I’m sorry, that still doesn’t give you an excuse to kill your child.

  • kratesis

    From the grandma’s myspace page:http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=126842664

    “Thursday, October 02, 2008

    Biancas Funeral

    Yesterday I burid my beautiful Angel Bianca. I know everyone wants to know what happened , but the truth is only two people know Bianca and Karrae, and Bianca cant tell. I think I know what happened but for Karraes sake I am only going to discuss it with her lawyer. But please do not judge her before you get all the facts. She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.

    Karrae is not the monster people are making her out to be. She loved Bianca more than anything in this world. Ask anyone who knew her. Look at the photos on her myspace”

    So now the excuses for why she killed her daughter are coming out….. “Bi-polar, meds” I’m sorry, that still doesn’t give you an excuse to kill your child.

  • http://gallery.me.com/kristibrown MamaBear

    HUH? WTF? in the video the sister says……its just one of those things where she stood up, she gave her mom a look, and stumbled backwards and blood and foam came out her mouth and nose…….

    HELP ME HERE GUYS……ITS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS??????

    I understand the shock and disbelief of family….i understand denial……but damn, get off the fuckin news camera if thats the best u can come up with to defend ur sister.

    I hope that this baby did die of whatever ‘heart condition’ and wasnt MURDERED……but i wont hold my breath.

    it reminds me of the casey anthony BS…..somewhat…
    looks like she took as many or more pics of herself than of Bianca….what a waste, baby was far more photogenic

    anyone know if the EX bf on the video is the guy in the pics on her myspace called ‘daddy’??? and was he a EX before or after she died?

  • http://gallery.me.com/kristibrown MamaBear

    HUH? WTF? in the video the sister says……its just one of those things where she stood up, she gave her mom a look, and stumbled backwards and blood and foam came out her mouth and nose…….

    HELP ME HERE GUYS……ITS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS??????

    I understand the shock and disbelief of family….i understand denial……but damn, get off the fuckin news camera if thats the best u can come up with to defend ur sister.

    I hope that this baby did die of whatever ‘heart condition’ and wasnt MURDERED……but i wont hold my breath.

    it reminds me of the casey anthony BS…..somewhat…
    looks like she took as many or more pics of herself than of Bianca….what a waste, baby was far more photogenic

    anyone know if the EX bf on the video is the guy in the pics on her myspace called ‘daddy’??? and was he a EX before or after she died?

  • CassieMomma

    HUH? WTF? in the video the sister says……its just one of those things where she stood up, she gave her mom a look, and stumbled backwards and blood and foam came out her mouth and nose…….

    And Grandma is basically saying it’s her fault, but she didn’t mean to do it. So which is true?

  • CassieMomma

    HUH? WTF? in the video the sister says……its just one of those things where she stood up, she gave her mom a look, and stumbled backwards and blood and foam came out her mouth and nose…….

    And Grandma is basically saying it’s her fault, but she didn’t mean to do it. So which is true?

  • mipmop

    ell we cant blame alchahol are drugs.i was a bad drunk for 7 yrars and have kids..i never ever laid a hand on any of my kids,beleive me there was times when i was so mad,but neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ever put a hand on my kids.. this little precious girl lost her life because of this stupid bitch..this sounds like the kaylee sorie,i think these young girls have these kids,and realise they cant party like they used to,but ya know what,they just like my daughter selena,knew what to do,not to get pregnat..so if these girls do these horrable things,they need to pay the fuking price…

  • Ruby

    Damn, that is one beautiful little girl. She lights up every picture, doesn’t she?

    I’m conflicted about this one, based on what info we have so far. Every picture/video/image of this family shows a loving and happy mother and child. Bianca is clean, well-dressed, well-cared for to a fault. And happy. You can see how happy they are. It radiates from them.

    The embedded video said that the autopsy results were still pending, and that Bianca had a history of heart problems. Yet the police charged Karrae with first degree murder, and Imp’s article is written from the standpoint of certain guilt. I’m not so sure. Something doesn’t feel right about this. I’ll be following the story as it develops.

    Also….does anyone know why she’s charged with TWO counts of first-degree murder??? That seems odd…

  • mipmop

    ell we cant blame alchahol are drugs.i was a bad drunk for 7 yrars and have kids..i never ever laid a hand on any of my kids,beleive me there was times when i was so mad,but neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ever put a hand on my kids.. this little precious girl lost her life because of this stupid bitch..this sounds like the kaylee sorie,i think these young girls have these kids,and realise they cant party like they used to,but ya know what,they just like my daughter selena,knew what to do,not to get pregnat..so if these girls do these horrable things,they need to pay the fuking price…

  • Ruby

    Damn, that is one beautiful little girl. She lights up every picture, doesn’t she?

    I’m conflicted about this one, based on what info we have so far. Every picture/video/image of this family shows a loving and happy mother and child. Bianca is clean, well-dressed, well-cared for to a fault. And happy. You can see how happy they are. It radiates from them.

    The embedded video said that the autopsy results were still pending, and that Bianca had a history of heart problems. Yet the police charged Karrae with first degree murder, and Imp’s article is written from the standpoint of certain guilt. I’m not so sure. Something doesn’t feel right about this. I’ll be following the story as it develops.

    Also….does anyone know why she’s charged with TWO counts of first-degree murder??? That seems odd…

  • Peeperann

    So now the excuses for why she killed her daughter are coming out….. “Bi-polar, meds” I’m sorry, that still doesn’t give you an excuse to kill your child.

    I know a few people who are Bi-Polar. My son in laws sister for one. That is totally not an excuse. If people really understood what bi-polar is they would know it is no excuse.

    It just sickens me to think she sat there with her hand over that babies nose and mouth with blood and fluids spewing all over her looking into her eyes while she died.

    I can understand the grandmother wanting to grasp at straws as to why her daughter did this horrific thing, but grandma, sorry bi-polar is not the reason.

    I’ll be keeping an eye on this one as it progresses. Damn, i’m so sorry baby girl. Rest in Jesus arms now……

  • Peeperann

    So now the excuses for why she killed her daughter are coming out….. “Bi-polar, meds” I’m sorry, that still doesn’t give you an excuse to kill your child.

    I know a few people who are Bi-Polar. My son in laws sister for one. That is totally not an excuse. If people really understood what bi-polar is they would know it is no excuse.

    It just sickens me to think she sat there with her hand over that babies nose and mouth with blood and fluids spewing all over her looking into her eyes while she died.

    I can understand the grandmother wanting to grasp at straws as to why her daughter did this horrific thing, but grandma, sorry bi-polar is not the reason.

    I’ll be keeping an eye on this one as it progresses. Damn, i’m so sorry baby girl. Rest in Jesus arms now……

  • SilliMari

    My oldest daughter is bi-polar…she is everyone’s FAVORITE babysitter!

    Yeah, its just one of those things where a kid stands there and gives that look….you know, that look they give right before spewing blood and foam before falling to their death.

    I’ve prevented this untimely death with my own three children countless times by simply shouting “DON’T YOU GIVE ME THAT LOOK!”

    worked everytime for me, just sayin’

  • SilliMari

    My oldest daughter is bi-polar…she is everyone’s FAVORITE babysitter!

    Yeah, its just one of those things where a kid stands there and gives that look….you know, that look they give right before spewing blood and foam before falling to their death.

    I’ve prevented this untimely death with my own three children countless times by simply shouting “DON’T YOU GIVE ME THAT LOOK!”

    worked everytime for me, just sayin’

  • mia

    is it me or is there a message in the song chosen to play while pictures of beautiful happy little Bianca, so full of life, are shown?

    “you’ll find better love”…”when i can’t hurt you anymore”

    did Karrae create the slideshow?

  • mia

    is it me or is there a message in the song chosen to play while pictures of beautiful happy little Bianca, so full of life, are shown?

    “you’ll find better love”…”when i can’t hurt you anymore”

    did Karrae create the slideshow?

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    First, Grandma says this:
    Bianca grandma loves you
    Current mood: crushed

    My world came crashing down yesterday. My beautiful Grandbaby was killedaccidentally by my daughter who made a very stupid drunken decision.
    Then… she says this:
    She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.

    Now, we hear the baby had heart trouble.

    Well… WHICH IS IT?? How many fucking stories are we gonna hear??? And if you are bi-polar, taking NEW meds… why are you drinking? (not to mention underage by 3 years!)

    Fact is.. a baby is dead – her mother was alone with her… it doesn’t look good. I pray Karrae didn’t do it…. I’d really love for the parent to be innocent — just once!

  • Zibarro

    First, Grandma says this:

    Bianca grandma loves you
    Current mood: crushed

    My world came crashing down yesterday. My beautiful Grandbaby was killedaccidentally by my daughter who made a very stupid drunken decision.

    Then… she says this:

    She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.

    Now, we hear the baby had heart trouble.

    Well… WHICH IS IT?? How many fucking stories are we gonna hear??? And if you are bi-polar, taking NEW meds… why are you drinking? (not to mention underage by 3 years!)

    Fact is.. a baby is dead – her mother was alone with her… it doesn’t look good. I pray Karrae didn’t do it…. I’d really love for the parent to be innocent — just once!

  • porcelain

    I agree with the other posters..
    It seemed she loved the baby!
    But then again there was another story posted today that also projected a loving”christian”mother who turned out to be a pedophile from hell.

    Outward appearances can be deceiving.

    There are many different factors.
    1.She was drunk and covered with her baby’s blood
    2.We just found out she was on meds for bi polar disorder
    3.Baby”just gave a look and had blood coming out of her nose and foam coming out of her mouth and she fell backwards”.

    Could she have been completely inebriated and hurt the baby?
    It is likely.
    But I am hoping it’s the latter and it was the baby’s heart condition rearing it’s ugly head.

    Either way it’s still a tremendous loss.
    She looked like a sweet little baby.

    If this bitch did do this then she deserves all the pain in the world

  • porcelain

    I agree with the other posters..
    It seemed she loved the baby!
    But then again there was another story posted today that also projected a loving”christian”mother who turned out to be a pedophile from hell.

    Outward appearances can be deceiving.

    There are many different factors.
    1.She was drunk and covered with her baby’s blood
    2.We just found out she was on meds for bi polar disorder
    3.Baby”just gave a look and had blood coming out of her nose and foam coming out of her mouth and she fell backwards”.

    Could she have been completely inebriated and hurt the baby?
    It is likely.
    But I am hoping it’s the latter and it was the baby’s heart condition rearing it’s ugly head.

    Either way it’s still a tremendous loss.
    She looked like a sweet little baby.

    If this bitch did do this then she deserves all the pain in the world

  • CassieMomma

    I am really curious to see more details come out, it is just so weird already. We need Karrae to tell the truth, it’s going to come out eventually.

  • CassieMomma

    I am really curious to see more details come out, it is just so weird already. We need Karrae to tell the truth, it’s going to come out eventually.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    is it me or is there a message in the song chosen to play while pictures of beautiful happy little Bianca, so full of life, are shown?

    Where is this video?

  • Zibarro

    is it me or is there a message in the song chosen to play while pictures of beautiful happy little Bianca, so full of life, are shown?

    Where is this video?

  • lakewriter51340

    My oldest daughter is bi-polar…she is everyone’s FAVORITE babysitter!

    I was, too, when I was a teenager. I wasn’t diagnosed until age 24, but I had all the symptoms — periods of uncontrollable crying followed by periods of no sleep, hypersexuality, poor decisions — yeah — but I never committed violence against anyone and never against a child.

    Whenever on the news or DD I hear of something bat-shit crazy I think “wait for it….wait for it” and 90% of the time I then read or hear, “Reportedly, Smith was bipolar…” Then I swear a lot because this deep end of bipolar, or those who use it as an excuse for violence, give the rest of us a very bad name. I used to write bipolar columns for Salon and (way back when) Suite 101 and write on blogs about it a lot.

    Now I’ve cut back, and I feel bad I’m not doing more to create awareness but holy balls these “bipolar” perpetrators make it hard to create a case for giving people slack for their unstable moods and making it not a stigma to get help and treatment for it, and to go back out into the world able to be open about it.

    While it’s not a secret, I tell people only reactively that I have bipolar disorder 100% because of incidents like this where the perpetrator says “bipolar made me do it.”

    RE: the baby’s hole in the heart…I don’t think so, Tim.

    My mother was born with a hole in her heart. She grew up pretty normally as a child but was on lots of heart medications, then had trouble, lots of trouble as an adult and died in her 40s.

    If she’d been born today, she would have had corrective surgery around the age of 3 and leading up to that have been to lots of doctors, etc. I don’t hear anything mentioned about that.

    Poor beautiful baby. Rest in peace darling angel.

  • lakewriter51340

    My oldest daughter is bi-polar…she is everyone’s FAVORITE babysitter!

    I was, too, when I was a teenager. I wasn’t diagnosed until age 24, but I had all the symptoms — periods of uncontrollable crying followed by periods of no sleep, hypersexuality, poor decisions — yeah — but I never committed violence against anyone and never against a child.

    Whenever on the news or DD I hear of something bat-shit crazy I think “wait for it….wait for it” and 90% of the time I then read or hear, “Reportedly, Smith was bipolar…” Then I swear a lot because this deep end of bipolar, or those who use it as an excuse for violence, give the rest of us a very bad name. I used to write bipolar columns for Salon and (way back when) Suite 101 and write on blogs about it a lot.

    Now I’ve cut back, and I feel bad I’m not doing more to create awareness but holy balls these “bipolar” perpetrators make it hard to create a case for giving people slack for their unstable moods and making it not a stigma to get help and treatment for it, and to go back out into the world able to be open about it.

    While it’s not a secret, I tell people only reactively that I have bipolar disorder 100% because of incidents like this where the perpetrator says “bipolar made me do it.”

    RE: the baby’s hole in the heart…I don’t think so, Tim.

    My mother was born with a hole in her heart. She grew up pretty normally as a child but was on lots of heart medications, then had trouble, lots of trouble as an adult and died in her 40s.

    If she’d been born today, she would have had corrective surgery around the age of 3 and leading up to that have been to lots of doctors, etc. I don’t hear anything mentioned about that.

    Poor beautiful baby. Rest in peace darling angel.

  • CassieMomma

    I was, too, when I was a teenager. I wasn’t diagnosed until age 24, but I had all the symptoms — periods of uncontrollable crying followed by periods of no sleep, hypersexuality, poor decisions — yeah — but I never committed violence against anyone and never against a child.

    Lake – thanks for sharing and being so open and honest. I totally agree, it’s not an uncontrollable disease where you are just murdering people left and right. Just stop the exuses and take the blame if you have done wrong.

  • CassieMomma

    I was, too, when I was a teenager. I wasn’t diagnosed until age 24, but I had all the symptoms — periods of uncontrollable crying followed by periods of no sleep, hypersexuality, poor decisions — yeah — but I never committed violence against anyone and never against a child.

    Lake – thanks for sharing and being so open and honest. I totally agree, it’s not an uncontrollable disease where you are just murdering people left and right. Just stop the exuses and take the blame if you have done wrong.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Someone saw this on her myspace (don’t know how I missed it) and posted it on mydeathspace:

    From Karrae’s Myspace (funny, she doesn’t mention being drunk):

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

  • Zibarro

    Someone saw this on her myspace (don’t know how I missed it) and posted it on mydeathspace:

    From Karrae’s Myspace (funny, she doesn’t mention being drunk):

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

  • http://gallery.me.com/kristibrown MamaBear

    ok what i want to know from genius DD minds is this……..is spewing blood, fluid, foam from bursting a lung something that happens alot from suffocation????

    i have never heard of it……and find it odd…..from what i read, i guess it makes sense, and obviously can happen, but i have always thought of cutting off airways as the least gory or messy when it comes to murder.

    link to steves true crime site at the top is well worth a visit….lots of tidbits that raise questions……and the comments from family…..wow…..says alot

    cmon yall, the anthonys have put out all the stops, and hands down, have ran away with the prize for ‘fucked up family of the century’….so dont bother……do youselves a favor and STFU…..or dont, its ur life.

    stupid people suck…..but stupid people who go out of their way to appear even more stupid than they are……well…..they are special

    its called a ‘special kind of stupid’

  • http://gallery.me.com/kristibrown MamaBear

    ok what i want to know from genius DD minds is this……..is spewing blood, fluid, foam from bursting a lung something that happens alot from suffocation????

    i have never heard of it……and find it odd…..from what i read, i guess it makes sense, and obviously can happen, but i have always thought of cutting off airways as the least gory or messy when it comes to murder.

    link to steves true crime site at the top is well worth a visit….lots of tidbits that raise questions……and the comments from family…..wow…..says alot

    cmon yall, the anthonys have put out all the stops, and hands down, have ran away with the prize for ‘fucked up family of the century’….so dont bother……do youselves a favor and STFU…..or dont, its ur life.

    stupid people suck…..but stupid people who go out of their way to appear even more stupid than they are……well…..they are special

    its called a ‘special kind of stupid’

  • porcelain

    Wow,

    I read grandma’s myspace blogs and it states that the baby was “killed accidentally” by her daughter and “drunken” was mentioned as well.

    So it looks as though
    Even grandma thinks she did it.

    I feel sorry for grandma for first losing her grand daughter and now her daughter.

    If she(karrae) did indeed do it I hope she gets the death sentence.

    No excuses.
    Even when a mother is at wits end there is no excuse in the world to harm a child.

  • porcelain

    Wow,

    I read grandma’s myspace blogs and it states that the baby was “killed accidentally” by her daughter and “drunken” was mentioned as well.

    So it looks as though
    Even grandma thinks she did it.

    I feel sorry for grandma for first losing her grand daughter and now her daughter.

    If she(karrae) did indeed do it I hope she gets the death sentence.

    No excuses.
    Even when a mother is at wits end there is no excuse in the world to harm a child.

  • porcelain

    Someone saw this on her myspace (don’t know how I missed it) and posted it on mydeathspace:

    From Karrae’s Myspace (funny, she doesn’t mention being drunk):

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    Double fucking wow,
    So now she is making it seem the baby smothered herself?

    Why the fuck are prisoners on myspace?

  • porcelain

    Someone saw this on her myspace (don’t know how I missed it) and posted it on mydeathspace:

    From Karrae’s Myspace (funny, she doesn’t mention being drunk):

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    Double fucking wow,
    So now she is making it seem the baby smothered herself?

    Why the fuck are prisoners on myspace?

  • saltwatergirl

    Beuatiful, beautiful baby girl…..may you rest in a place where the sun always shines…..

  • saltwatergirl

    Beuatiful, beautiful baby girl…..may you rest in a place where the sun always shines…..

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Some comments from the True Crime website from family members — yeah… deep, deep denial. And deeply, deeply fucked up family!!

    kylie brunley said:

    I have known karrae since like the 5th grade.
    We hung out all the time.. She found out she was pregnant with bianca in the 8th grade and she was so completly happy.
    I had never seen her so happy. I agree with the lady above me.
    YOU DO NOT KNOW KARRAE. Shes not that type of person.
    B was her world.
    Posted 09/30/2008 at 07:32:12 PM

    racey aka colton said:

    yeah i agree i am karraes brother and if any of u people have a problem with my sister then take it up with her loved ones because u reatards who like to talk about people who u dont even are gettin on my nerves because u did not even kno her and there is kno way karrae could have killed my niece that girl was her whole world and im stickin by my sister till the end
    Posted 09/30/2008 at 11:24:51 PM

    Deirdre Gibbs said:

    Steve,
    Karrae is my daughter and I do not appreciate you calling her a monster. You have NO idea what that girl has been through in her life. Our family know her and we know that in her right mind Karrae would have never done this.
    Also who ever Soobs is needs to identify herself and talk to me directly if she wants to know more.
    I cant save Bianca but I can try to save my daughters life.Once our mourning period is over I am gonna come out fighting. There is alot of stuff gonna come out about the State system that was supposed to be taking care of Karrae and Bianca. I lay the blame on this firmly at their feet. They decided they would be better parents than I would, and look what it got them and my family ,a dead child. I hope the caseworkers, homemakers, and judges involved in Karraes life and Biancas go home and have nightmares every night for the choices they made.
    Until you hear all the evidence Steve, DO NOT judge my daughter or call her a monster.Apparently yu thought she was goodlooking but you want to crucify her for being Bi sexual…are you jealous that she wouldn’t give a guy like you the time of day?
    People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.
    Sincerely,
    Karrae’s MOM

    Wow! The state did it?? Are you serious mom?

    So while you and the state fought over this baby… she was left with Karrae, who ultimately killed her!? Yeah, someone dropped the ball… but I don’t think it was the state.

  • Zibarro

    Some comments from the True Crime website from family members — yeah… deep, deep denial. And deeply, deeply fucked up family!!

    kylie brunley said:

    I have known karrae since like the 5th grade.
    We hung out all the time.. She found out she was pregnant with bianca in the 8th grade and she was so completly happy.
    I had never seen her so happy. I agree with the lady above me.
    YOU DO NOT KNOW KARRAE. Shes not that type of person.
    B was her world.
    Posted 09/30/2008 at 07:32:12 PM

    racey aka colton said:

    yeah i agree i am karraes brother and if any of u people have a problem with my sister then take it up with her loved ones because u reatards who like to talk about people who u dont even are gettin on my nerves because u did not even kno her and there is kno way karrae could have killed my niece that girl was her whole world and im stickin by my sister till the end
    Posted 09/30/2008 at 11:24:51 PM

    Deirdre Gibbs said:

    Steve,
    Karrae is my daughter and I do not appreciate you calling her a monster. You have NO idea what that girl has been through in her life. Our family know her and we know that in her right mind Karrae would have never done this.
    Also who ever Soobs is needs to identify herself and talk to me directly if she wants to know more.
    I cant save Bianca but I can try to save my daughters life.Once our mourning period is over I am gonna come out fighting. There is alot of stuff gonna come out about the State system that was supposed to be taking care of Karrae and Bianca. I lay the blame on this firmly at their feet. They decided they would be better parents than I would, and look what it got them and my family ,a dead child. I hope the caseworkers, homemakers, and judges involved in Karraes life and Biancas go home and have nightmares every night for the choices they made.
    Until you hear all the evidence Steve, DO NOT judge my daughter or call her a monster.Apparently yu thought she was goodlooking but you want to crucify her for being Bi sexual…are you jealous that she wouldn’t give a guy like you the time of day?
    People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.
    Sincerely,
    Karrae’s MOM

    Wow! The state did it?? Are you serious mom?

    So while you and the state fought over this baby… she was left with Karrae, who ultimately killed her!? Yeah, someone dropped the ball… but I don’t think it was the state.

  • http://dreamindemon.com/ impqueen

    I’m going to be very interested to see the autopsy results on this one. I do think that Karrae likely smothered her screaming toddler, and that likely there will be bruising around Bianca’s mouth that shows that Karrae had her own hand over Bianca’s mouth. Foaming at the mouth, especially pink foam, is usually indicative of respiratory failure and oxygen deprivation.

    Of course, if i’m wrong, I will edit the article to reflect that.

  • http://dreamindemon.com impqueen

    I’m going to be very interested to see the autopsy results on this one. I do think that Karrae likely smothered her screaming toddler, and that likely there will be bruising around Bianca’s mouth that shows that Karrae had her own hand over Bianca’s mouth. Foaming at the mouth, especially pink foam, is usually indicative of respiratory failure and oxygen deprivation.

    Of course, if i’m wrong, I will edit the article to reflect that.

  • SilliMari

    I’m going to be very interested to see the autopsy results on this one. I do think that Karrae likely smothered her screaming toddler, and that likely there will be bruising around Bianca’s mouth that shows that Karrae had her own hand over Bianca’s mouth. Foaming at the mouth, especially pink foam, is usually indicative of respiratory failure and oxygen deprivation.

    Her intent could have been to make her shut up…and perhaps she only covered her mouth and not her nose…who knows…but having that heart issue to begin with probably didn’t help things along.

    My sister-in-law dropped dead in front of all of us at a family gathering…she foamed at the mouth. We found out through the autopsy she actually had a heart condition that nobody knew about. The foam was from her lungs…apparently this stuff just comes out when there is no oxygen, i.e. her heart just stopped working.

    I’m not sold on first degree but I’m certain she played a role in the death

  • SilliMari

    I’m going to be very interested to see the autopsy results on this one. I do think that Karrae likely smothered her screaming toddler, and that likely there will be bruising around Bianca’s mouth that shows that Karrae had her own hand over Bianca’s mouth. Foaming at the mouth, especially pink foam, is usually indicative of respiratory failure and oxygen deprivation.

    Her intent could have been to make her shut up…and perhaps she only covered her mouth and not her nose…who knows…but having that heart issue to begin with probably didn’t help things along.

    My sister-in-law dropped dead in front of all of us at a family gathering…she foamed at the mouth. We found out through the autopsy she actually had a heart condition that nobody knew about. The foam was from her lungs…apparently this stuff just comes out when there is no oxygen, i.e. her heart just stopped working.

    I’m not sold on first degree but I’m certain she played a role in the death

  • Ruby

    I’m not sold on first degree but I’m certain she played a role in the death

    I’m not certain of anything yet. I want to hear the autopsy results first.

  • Ruby

    I’m not sold on first degree but I’m certain she played a role in the death

    I’m not certain of anything yet. I want to hear the autopsy results first.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    What an utterly perfect little girl-I’ve never seen a child (besides my own of course *grin*) that lights up the world like her. So sorry she won’t be able to continue to do so.

    I’m going to reserve my judgment on mom for the time being. I had a case where a child suddenly died and there was suspicion on the ‘rents but it turned out to be a medication and heart defect combination. I remember the hell they went through while they were being investigated, so I don’t want to contribute to that. I hope like hell the autopsy proves mom wasn’t at fault, but if it doesn’t, she really needs to take responsibility.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    What an utterly perfect little girl-I’ve never seen a child (besides my own of course *grin*) that lights up the world like her. So sorry she won’t be able to continue to do so.

    I’m going to reserve my judgment on mom for the time being. I had a case where a child suddenly died and there was suspicion on the ‘rents but it turned out to be a medication and heart defect combination. I remember the hell they went through while they were being investigated, so I don’t want to contribute to that. I hope like hell the autopsy proves mom wasn’t at fault, but if it doesn’t, she really needs to take responsibility.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com CheekySweetie

    What an utterly perfect little girl-I’ve never seen a child (besides my own of course *grin*) that lights up the world like her. So sorry she won’t be able to continue to do so.

    I’m going to reserve my judgment on mom for the time being. I had a case where a child suddenly died and there was suspicion on the ‘rents but it turned out to be a medication and heart defect combination. I remember the hell they went through while they were being investigated, so I don’t want to contribute to that. I hope like hell the autopsy proves mom wasn’t at fault, but if it doesn’t, she really needs to take responsibility.

  • Komak

    I’m conflicted about this one, based on what info we have so far. Every picture/video/image of this family shows a loving and happy mother and child. Bianca is clean, well-dressed, well-cared for to a fault. And happy. You can see how happy they are. It radiates from them.

    and thank you for having the brass to say it….I agree. I refuse to bash this mother…yet. If however, light bears the situation as described above, then I question two things….

    1. Karrae’s mother, who is so quick to come to her defense—obviously she is doing so to abate her own responsiblity in this……to ease her own conscious, Karrae herself was failed, and now up rises the mother of the fricken year….thinking “here is my chance to prove I am a good mother….look at me, look at me….look at what I am doing…….Karrae herself was in and out of foster care, pregnant at 14, and I would venture to guess her “mother” still doesn’t have her own act together.

    2. AGAIN if this situation turns out, as described above, I would take on any adult….that said, my anger is tempered here. Karrae’s own rocky upbringing, in foster homes and obviously dysfunctional family provides the temperature control on my emotions. As we grow, we learn…we receive “tools” from parents, family, the world around us….these tools help us to cope, provide the right answers, make decisions, give self control……obviously Karrae’s tool box was empty….as was her childhood world.

    I am not saying she holds NO responsibility here….simply, that if she isn’t given the proper tools, and the coping skills, self control, and need for right answers, she isn’t equipped….not that she didn’t know right from wrong….just that in that moment….the empty toolbox…failed her…..

    If she was drinking that hampers it further (although I bet she started drinking after the incident)….however and whatever Karrae’s mental state at the time, she obviously didn’t have the tools needed……That responsibility glares hatefully at Karrae’s mother…..

    I agree with the other posters..It seemed she loved the baby!But then again there was another story posted today that also projected a loving”christian”mother who turned out to be a pedophile from hell.

    I would suggest she loved that baby, probably more then she thought possible…..she was doing the “right” things…finish school, further education….however, in this case….it seems to me that without a solid base by which to pattern herself, it was only a matter of time……..

  • Komak

    I’m conflicted about this one, based on what info we have so far. Every picture/video/image of this family shows a loving and happy mother and child. Bianca is clean, well-dressed, well-cared for to a fault. And happy. You can see how happy they are. It radiates from them.

    and thank you for having the brass to say it….I agree. I refuse to bash this mother…yet. If however, light bears the situation as described above, then I question two things….

    1. Karrae’s mother, who is so quick to come to her defense—obviously she is doing so to abate her own responsiblity in this……to ease her own conscious, Karrae herself was failed, and now up rises the mother of the fricken year….thinking “here is my chance to prove I am a good mother….look at me, look at me….look at what I am doing…….Karrae herself was in and out of foster care, pregnant at 14, and I would venture to guess her “mother” still doesn’t have her own act together.

    2. AGAIN if this situation turns out, as described above, I would take on any adult….that said, my anger is tempered here. Karrae’s own rocky upbringing, in foster homes and obviously dysfunctional family provides the temperature control on my emotions. As we grow, we learn…we receive “tools” from parents, family, the world around us….these tools help us to cope, provide the right answers, make decisions, give self control……obviously Karrae’s tool box was empty….as was her childhood world.

    I am not saying she holds NO responsibility here….simply, that if she isn’t given the proper tools, and the coping skills, self control, and need for right answers, she isn’t equipped….not that she didn’t know right from wrong….just that in that moment….the empty toolbox…failed her…..

    If she was drinking that hampers it further (although I bet she started drinking after the incident)….however and whatever Karrae’s mental state at the time, she obviously didn’t have the tools needed……That responsibility glares hatefully at Karrae’s mother…..

    I agree with the other posters..It seemed she loved the baby!But then again there was another story posted today that also projected a loving”christian”mother who turned out to be a pedophile from hell.

    I would suggest she loved that baby, probably more then she thought possible…..she was doing the “right” things…finish school, further education….however, in this case….it seems to me that without a solid base by which to pattern herself, it was only a matter of time……..

  • Komak

    I’m conflicted about this one, based on what info we have so far. Every picture/video/image of this family shows a loving and happy mother and child. Bianca is clean, well-dressed, well-cared for to a fault. And happy. You can see how happy they are. It radiates from them.

    and thank you for having the brass to say it….I agree. I refuse to bash this mother…yet. If however, light bears the situation as described above, then I question two things….

    1. Karrae’s mother, who is so quick to come to her defense—obviously she is doing so to abate her own responsiblity in this……to ease her own conscious, Karrae herself was failed, and now up rises the mother of the fricken year….thinking “here is my chance to prove I am a good mother….look at me, look at me….look at what I am doing…….Karrae herself was in and out of foster care, pregnant at 14, and I would venture to guess her “mother” still doesn’t have her own act together.

    2. AGAIN if this situation turns out, as described above, I would take on any adult….that said, my anger is tempered here. Karrae’s own rocky upbringing, in foster homes and obviously dysfunctional family provides the temperature control on my emotions. As we grow, we learn…we receive “tools” from parents, family, the world around us….these tools help us to cope, provide the right answers, make decisions, give self control……obviously Karrae’s tool box was empty….as was her childhood world.

    I am not saying she holds NO responsibility here….simply, that if she isn’t given the proper tools, and the coping skills, self control, and need for right answers, she isn’t equipped….not that she didn’t know right from wrong….just that in that moment….the empty toolbox…failed her…..

    If she was drinking that hampers it further (although I bet she started drinking after the incident)….however and whatever Karrae’s mental state at the time, she obviously didn’t have the tools needed……That responsibility glares hatefully at Karrae’s mother…..

    I agree with the other posters..It seemed she loved the baby!But then again there was another story posted today that also projected a loving”christian”mother who turned out to be a pedophile from hell.

    I would suggest she loved that baby, probably more then she thought possible…..she was doing the “right” things…finish school, further education….however, in this case….it seems to me that without a solid base by which to pattern herself, it was only a matter of time……..

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Not that I am saying that I know what happened…but the description of blood out the nose and foam out her mouth reminds me of a friend I lost in teenage years… he had a brain aneurysm. However, his aneurysm blew after ‘huffing’ butane… Could that baby have had an aneurysm? Or even a blood clot into the lung ??? Don’t know… I sure hope this death wasn’t at the hands of her own mommy…too many people are killing their innocent babies. Bi Polar… if she had done this due to bi polar, she would have still been exhibiting some signs of being ‘imbalanced”… I would know, I have bi polar. Damn, poor baby girl!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Not that I am saying that I know what happened…but the description of blood out the nose and foam out her mouth reminds me of a friend I lost in teenage years… he had a brain aneurysm. However, his aneurysm blew after ‘huffing’ butane… Could that baby have had an aneurysm? Or even a blood clot into the lung ??? Don’t know… I sure hope this death wasn’t at the hands of her own mommy…too many people are killing their innocent babies. Bi Polar… if she had done this due to bi polar, she would have still been exhibiting some signs of being ‘imbalanced”… I would know, I have bi polar. Damn, poor baby girl!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Not that I am saying that I know what happened…but the description of blood out the nose and foam out her mouth reminds me of a friend I lost in teenage years… he had a brain aneurysm. However, his aneurysm blew after ‘huffing’ butane… Could that baby have had an aneurysm? Or even a blood clot into the lung ??? Don’t know… I sure hope this death wasn’t at the hands of her own mommy…too many people are killing their innocent babies. Bi Polar… if she had done this due to bi polar, she would have still been exhibiting some signs of being ‘imbalanced”… I would know, I have bi polar. Damn, poor baby girl!

  • Komak

    I cant save Bianca but I can try to save my daughters life.Once our mourning period is over I am gonna come out fighting. There is alot of stuff gonna come out about the State system that was supposed to be taking care of Karrae and Bianca. I lay the blame on this firmly at their feet. They decided they would be better parents than I would, and look what it got them and my family ,a dead child. I hope the caseworkers, homemakers, and judges involved in Karraes life and Biancas go home and have nightmares every night for the choices they made.Until you hear all the evidence Steve, DO NOT judge my daughter or call her a monster.Apparently yu thought she was goodlooking but you want to crucify her for being Bi sexual…are you jealous that she wouldn’t give a guy like you the time of day?People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.Sincerely,Karrae’s MOM

    Lot’s of “I”s in this statement, it is all about HER…(she how she capitalizes MOM at the end)..and damn if the rest of the world has just ALWAYS been against her….she is justifying everything, blaming everyone, never once holding up the mirror to her own failings…….

    then when all else fails, come out swinging….”poor me….poor self sacraficing me….I will single-handedly save my daughter (you know the one I didn’t raise, who had such a hard life)…..I am a hero, you all thought I was a POS, no look I really DO care……..the state…it’s their fault….what???………

    ………not working, okay…….steve….now you really pissed me off……look….I must love my daughter so much…..look how mad I get….(same mentality of those defenders who come to this site…..)…that proves I love my daughter……BTW…I am not insane, and none of this is MY fault……none of it at all….what a horrible world this is….always beating me up…..I try and I try…….blah…blah….blah…blah” (end quote)

    FUCK!
    (DD is great therapy-in “THEORY” I know this woman-I grew up with one just like her…..can ya tell? (grin))

  • Komak

    I cant save Bianca but I can try to save my daughters life.Once our mourning period is over I am gonna come out fighting. There is alot of stuff gonna come out about the State system that was supposed to be taking care of Karrae and Bianca. I lay the blame on this firmly at their feet. They decided they would be better parents than I would, and look what it got them and my family ,a dead child. I hope the caseworkers, homemakers, and judges involved in Karraes life and Biancas go home and have nightmares every night for the choices they made.Until you hear all the evidence Steve, DO NOT judge my daughter or call her a monster.Apparently yu thought she was goodlooking but you want to crucify her for being Bi sexual…are you jealous that she wouldn’t give a guy like you the time of day?People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.Sincerely,Karrae’s MOM

    Lot’s of “I”s in this statement, it is all about HER…(she how she capitalizes MOM at the end)..and damn if the rest of the world has just ALWAYS been against her….she is justifying everything, blaming everyone, never once holding up the mirror to her own failings…….

    then when all else fails, come out swinging….”poor me….poor self sacraficing me….I will single-handedly save my daughter (you know the one I didn’t raise, who had such a hard life)…..I am a hero, you all thought I was a POS, no look I really DO care……..the state…it’s their fault….what???………

    ………not working, okay…….steve….now you really pissed me off……look….I must love my daughter so much…..look how mad I get….(same mentality of those defenders who come to this site…..)…that proves I love my daughter……BTW…I am not insane, and none of this is MY fault……none of it at all….what a horrible world this is….always beating me up…..I try and I try…….blah…blah….blah…blah” (end quote)

    FUCK!
    (DD is great therapy-in “THEORY” I know this woman-I grew up with one just like her…..can ya tell? (grin))

  • Komak

    I cant save Bianca but I can try to save my daughters life.Once our mourning period is over I am gonna come out fighting. There is alot of stuff gonna come out about the State system that was supposed to be taking care of Karrae and Bianca. I lay the blame on this firmly at their feet. They decided they would be better parents than I would, and look what it got them and my family ,a dead child. I hope the caseworkers, homemakers, and judges involved in Karraes life and Biancas go home and have nightmares every night for the choices they made.Until you hear all the evidence Steve, DO NOT judge my daughter or call her a monster.Apparently yu thought she was goodlooking but you want to crucify her for being Bi sexual…are you jealous that she wouldn’t give a guy like you the time of day?People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.Sincerely,Karrae’s MOM

    Lot’s of “I”s in this statement, it is all about HER…(she how she capitalizes MOM at the end)..and damn if the rest of the world has just ALWAYS been against her….she is justifying everything, blaming everyone, never once holding up the mirror to her own failings…….

    then when all else fails, come out swinging….”poor me….poor self sacraficing me….I will single-handedly save my daughter (you know the one I didn’t raise, who had such a hard life)…..I am a hero, you all thought I was a POS, no look I really DO care……..the state…it’s their fault….what???………

    ………not working, okay…….steve….now you really pissed me off……look….I must love my daughter so much…..look how mad I get….(same mentality of those defenders who come to this site…..)…that proves I love my daughter……BTW…I am not insane, and none of this is MY fault……none of it at all….what a horrible world this is….always beating me up…..I try and I try…….blah…blah….blah…blah” (end quote)

    FUCK!
    (DD is great therapy-in “THEORY” I know this woman-I grew up with one just like her…..can ya tell? (grin))

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    This one really has be wondering…. and I am so bothered by this little girls death. Wonder when the autopsy results will be back….

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    This one really has be wondering…. and I am so bothered by this little girls death. Wonder when the autopsy results will be back….

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    This one really has be wondering…. and I am so bothered by this little girls death. Wonder when the autopsy results will be back….

  • lifino

    What a horrible situation.

    If the baby died of natural causes then that poor mom is sitting in jail when she should be allowed to grieve and bury her child and not have to deal with legal issues and people blaming her.

    If she did kill her then that poor child had to go through the horror of having the person she probably loved more than anything in the world doing this to her. Not to mention being robbed of the life she should have been allowed to live.

    I am going to reserve judgement until we hear what the autopsy says. This is so sad.

    As for grandma STFU you are only making it worse and making yourself look like an ass.

    RIP Bianca

  • lifino

    What a horrible situation.

    If the baby died of natural causes then that poor mom is sitting in jail when she should be allowed to grieve and bury her child and not have to deal with legal issues and people blaming her.

    If she did kill her then that poor child had to go through the horror of having the person she probably loved more than anything in the world doing this to her. Not to mention being robbed of the life she should have been allowed to live.

    I am going to reserve judgement until we hear what the autopsy says. This is so sad.

    As for grandma STFU you are only making it worse and making yourself look like an ass.

    RIP Bianca

  • lifino

    What a horrible situation.

    If the baby died of natural causes then that poor mom is sitting in jail when she should be allowed to grieve and bury her child and not have to deal with legal issues and people blaming her.

    If she did kill her then that poor child had to go through the horror of having the person she probably loved more than anything in the world doing this to her. Not to mention being robbed of the life she should have been allowed to live.

    I am going to reserve judgement until we hear what the autopsy says. This is so sad.

    As for grandma STFU you are only making it worse and making yourself look like an ass.

    RIP Bianca

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Did some research on suffocation causing bloody foam and found, well, not much. I did find that congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, and carbon dioxide poisoning…crap, it may have say monoxide..can’t ‘member, oops!…does often cause bloody foam in the mouth and nose.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Did some research on suffocation causing bloody foam and found, well, not much. I did find that congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, and carbon dioxide poisoning…crap, it may have say monoxide..can’t ‘member, oops!…does often cause bloody foam in the mouth and nose.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com CheekySweetie

    Did some research on suffocation causing bloody foam and found, well, not much. I did find that congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, and carbon dioxide poisoning…crap, it may have say monoxide..can’t ‘member, oops!…does often cause bloody foam in the mouth and nose.

  • http://dreamindemon.com/ impqueen

    ok what i want to know from genius DD minds is this……..is spewing blood, fluid, foam from bursting a lung something that happens alot from suffocation????

    It’s much more common in drowning, actually. So the posters that said it happens with congestive heart failure are right, in that it’s foamier when there is water or fluid on the lungs.

    That said, a mucusy foam can and does happen during suffocation or strangulation. JonBenet Ramsey, for example, had mucusy stains on her shirt from her nose and mouth – once the foam dissipates, what is left is a mucusy material. But keep in mind that there doesn’t have to be a lot of foam, and usually isn’t.

    Could Bianca have drowned, or had severe intractable CHF? Possibly, although you’d think she’d have been under medical care for that while she was in foster care and there would be records of same. It makes sense to me that Bianca was crying, swallowed her own spit or tears, and that’s what foamed up when she was being suffocated. There probably was, overall, a small amount. Blood particularly always looks like there’s a lot more than there is.

    I agree that if the symptoms are as reported, then it’ll be very interesting to see what the autopsy says. And as I’ve said, I’ll happily change my article if the charges are dropped or Karrae is acquitted.

  • http://dreamindemon.com/ impqueen

    ok what i want to know from genius DD minds is this……..is spewing blood, fluid, foam from bursting a lung something that happens alot from suffocation????

    It’s much more common in drowning, actually. So the posters that said it happens with congestive heart failure are right, in that it’s foamier when there is water or fluid on the lungs.

    That said, a mucusy foam can and does happen during suffocation or strangulation. JonBenet Ramsey, for example, had mucusy stains on her shirt from her nose and mouth – once the foam dissipates, what is left is a mucusy material. But keep in mind that there doesn’t have to be a lot of foam, and usually isn’t.

    Could Bianca have drowned, or had severe intractable CHF? Possibly, although you’d think she’d have been under medical care for that while she was in foster care and there would be records of same. It makes sense to me that Bianca was crying, swallowed her own spit or tears, and that’s what foamed up when she was being suffocated. There probably was, overall, a small amount. Blood particularly always looks like there’s a lot more than there is.

    I agree that if the symptoms are as reported, then it’ll be very interesting to see what the autopsy says. And as I’ve said, I’ll happily change my article if the charges are dropped or Karrae is acquitted.

  • http://dreamindemon.com impqueen

    ok what i want to know from genius DD minds is this……..is spewing blood, fluid, foam from bursting a lung something that happens alot from suffocation????

    It’s much more common in drowning, actually. So the posters that said it happens with congestive heart failure are right, in that it’s foamier when there is water or fluid on the lungs.

    That said, a mucusy foam can and does happen during suffocation or strangulation. JonBenet Ramsey, for example, had mucusy stains on her shirt from her nose and mouth – once the foam dissipates, what is left is a mucusy material. But keep in mind that there doesn’t have to be a lot of foam, and usually isn’t.

    Could Bianca have drowned, or had severe intractable CHF? Possibly, although you’d think she’d have been under medical care for that while she was in foster care and there would be records of same. It makes sense to me that Bianca was crying, swallowed her own spit or tears, and that’s what foamed up when she was being suffocated. There probably was, overall, a small amount. Blood particularly always looks like there’s a lot more than there is.

    I agree that if the symptoms are as reported, then it’ll be very interesting to see what the autopsy says. And as I’ve said, I’ll happily change my article if the charges are dropped or Karrae is acquitted.

  • Morgana

    I guess I am tierd of PEOPLE thinking PEOPLE aren’t capable of ANY FUCKING THING BECAUSE THEY ARE. WAKE UP. I personally know a couple people with the hole in the heart who had it fixed. Know about what happens if it kills you, and you know, foam and blood don’t shoot out your mouth. Now when I gave mouth to mouth to a man lying on the ground whom no one would help (because he was like 400 lbs) and who couldn’t breathe….who died while I performed CPR, who apparently had an obstruction in his throat, yes, blood and foam came out. It was traumatic, I watched him die as I tried to help him. I heaved and dry coughed and cried. (I too drank afterwards). I watched him change real colors as he lacked oxygen. I sensed the emergency, I told him to hold on, I was the last to see his eyes open and close…. He originally made horrible sounds, then no sounds. I couldn’t talk for several days. It is a vivid experience that will always stay with me. I find it hard as a mother of toddlers and a 3 year old girl, that if my baby died, with the blood, the foam, not breathing, no matter how it happened, that I could or would be blogging and posting on a site. I would NOT care about anything in the world including living. So do I believe this bitch, no. I think she’s a young girl who shouldn’t of had a baby. I think this child died horribly, knowing she was going, she struggled and when the autopsy shows the cause, unless its medical, I hope this piece of trash goes to jail forever where she can spend her life in a blog….I don’t believe most people are good…and for those of you who want to criticize me, save your breath for Jesus, because I will not change nor will I sympathize for those who have killed and/or hurt children.

  • Morgana

    I guess I am tierd of PEOPLE thinking PEOPLE aren’t capable of ANY FUCKING THING BECAUSE THEY ARE. WAKE UP. I personally know a couple people with the hole in the heart who had it fixed. Know about what happens if it kills you, and you know, foam and blood don’t shoot out your mouth. Now when I gave mouth to mouth to a man lying on the ground whom no one would help (because he was like 400 lbs) and who couldn’t breathe….who died while I performed CPR, who apparently had an obstruction in his throat, yes, blood and foam came out. It was traumatic, I watched him die as I tried to help him. I heaved and dry coughed and cried. (I too drank afterwards). I watched him change real colors as he lacked oxygen. I sensed the emergency, I told him to hold on, I was the last to see his eyes open and close…. He originally made horrible sounds, then no sounds. I couldn’t talk for several days. It is a vivid experience that will always stay with me. I find it hard as a mother of toddlers and a 3 year old girl, that if my baby died, with the blood, the foam, not breathing, no matter how it happened, that I could or would be blogging and posting on a site. I would NOT care about anything in the world including living. So do I believe this bitch, no. I think she’s a young girl who shouldn’t of had a baby. I think this child died horribly, knowing she was going, she struggled and when the autopsy shows the cause, unless its medical, I hope this piece of trash goes to jail forever where she can spend her life in a blog….I don’t believe most people are good…and for those of you who want to criticize me, save your breath for Jesus, because I will not change nor will I sympathize for those who have killed and/or hurt children.

  • ImmortalOne

    This whole story makes me sad. Life is really damn hard for teen mothers, having been one myself. I know the feeling of being on top of the world and the next being angry at the world. She was trying, I am gonna guess it just got overwhelming.

  • ImmortalOne

    This whole story makes me sad. Life is really damn hard for teen mothers, having been one myself. I know the feeling of being on top of the world and the next being angry at the world. She was trying, I am gonna guess it just got overwhelming.

  • ImmortalOne

    This whole story makes me sad. Life is really damn hard for teen mothers, having been one myself. I know the feeling of being on top of the world and the next being angry at the world. She was trying, I am gonna guess it just got overwhelming.

  • ImmortalOne

    From Grandma’s Blog:

    Biancas Funeral

    Yesterday I burid my beautiful Angel Bianca. I know everyone wants to know what happened , but the truth is only two people know Bianca and Karrae, and Bianca cant tell. I think I know what happened but for Karraes sake I am only going to discuss it with her lawyer. But please do not judge her before you get all the facts. She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.

    Karrae is not the monster people are making her out to be. She loved Bianca more than anything in this world. Ask anyone who knew her. Look at the photos on her myspace

    *************************************
    Being Bi-Polar and BPD myself… *sigh* This story hurts. A lot.

  • ImmortalOne

    From Grandma’s Blog:

    Biancas Funeral

    Yesterday I burid my beautiful Angel Bianca. I know everyone wants to know what happened , but the truth is only two people know Bianca and Karrae, and Bianca cant tell. I think I know what happened but for Karraes sake I am only going to discuss it with her lawyer. But please do not judge her before you get all the facts. She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.

    Karrae is not the monster people are making her out to be. She loved Bianca more than anything in this world. Ask anyone who knew her. Look at the photos on her myspace

    *************************************
    Being Bi-Polar and BPD myself… *sigh* This story hurts. A lot.

  • ImmortalOne

    From Grandma’s Blog:

    Biancas Funeral

    Yesterday I burid my beautiful Angel Bianca. I know everyone wants to know what happened , but the truth is only two people know Bianca and Karrae, and Bianca cant tell. I think I know what happened but for Karraes sake I am only going to discuss it with her lawyer. But please do not judge her before you get all the facts. She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.

    Karrae is not the monster people are making her out to be. She loved Bianca more than anything in this world. Ask anyone who knew her. Look at the photos on her myspace

    *************************************
    Being Bi-Polar and BPD myself… *sigh* This story hurts. A lot.

  • Komak

    My own son has an enlarged decending aorta…above the 98th percentile for his body mass….it was only discovered when he was sick, at age 7 with a fever. The fever (for whatever reason) in sick children, can make a heart murmer easier to hear.

    So his doctor detected a heart murmer…after a abnormal ultrasound of his heart, we were sent to the pediatric heart specialist…who diagnosed a murmer, a third ventricle (I think that is it) and of course what we are all concerned about this x-tra large decending aorta….Doc says the connective tissues are weakening….

    That said, we would have NEVER known this…..and a burst aorta is fatal….and I assume mimics the above results…..
    no contact sports, no heavy lifting, no over exertion and he is 9. I am just saying we don’t always know…..

    STill waiting on the results of the autopsy….help us all if they are inconclusive….

  • Komak

    My own son has an enlarged decending aorta…above the 98th percentile for his body mass….it was only discovered when he was sick, at age 7 with a fever. The fever (for whatever reason) in sick children, can make a heart murmer easier to hear.

    So his doctor detected a heart murmer…after a abnormal ultrasound of his heart, we were sent to the pediatric heart specialist…who diagnosed a murmer, a third ventricle (I think that is it) and of course what we are all concerned about this x-tra large decending aorta….Doc says the connective tissues are weakening….

    That said, we would have NEVER known this…..and a burst aorta is fatal….and I assume mimics the above results…..
    no contact sports, no heavy lifting, no over exertion and he is 9. I am just saying we don’t always know…..

    STill waiting on the results of the autopsy….help us all if they are inconclusive….

  • Komak

    My own son has an enlarged decending aorta…above the 98th percentile for his body mass….it was only discovered when he was sick, at age 7 with a fever. The fever (for whatever reason) in sick children, can make a heart murmer easier to hear.

    So his doctor detected a heart murmer…after a abnormal ultrasound of his heart, we were sent to the pediatric heart specialist…who diagnosed a murmer, a third ventricle (I think that is it) and of course what we are all concerned about this x-tra large decending aorta….Doc says the connective tissues are weakening….

    That said, we would have NEVER known this…..and a burst aorta is fatal….and I assume mimics the above results…..
    no contact sports, no heavy lifting, no over exertion and he is 9. I am just saying we don’t always know…..

    STill waiting on the results of the autopsy….help us all if they are inconclusive….

  • silvahalo

    Did you see the love that Bianca had when she looked up at her Mother in that picture, how could she do that to her???????? Such a sweet, beautiful little girl.

    …yeah, yeah, I did. As all children with parents who love them, they see them as the universe…as the only god they know. I do think she loved Bianca. Children who are not loved and are abused on a daily basis…many never have a photo to show their little face after death. I’m not saying 20 something photos mean you are innocent of a fowl and terrible thing…just saying she clearly loved Bianca at least I believe so.
    I want so badly to believe that this beautiful child was not killed by her mother. The official cause of death will speak volumes for a child who can no longer speak for herself.

    It is complete misery to read about this kind of tragedy but more so unbearable for those who loved this child. My sincerest sympathies to the family.

    Rest in peace sweet Bianca…your smile was the sunshine in your mother’s life….I hope she knows that.

  • silvahalo

    Did you see the love that Bianca had when she looked up at her Mother in that picture, how could she do that to her???????? Such a sweet, beautiful little girl.

    …yeah, yeah, I did. As all children with parents who love them, they see them as the universe…as the only god they know. I do think she loved Bianca. Children who are not loved and are abused on a daily basis…many never have a photo to show their little face after death. I’m not saying 20 something photos mean you are innocent of a fowl and terrible thing…just saying she clearly loved Bianca at least I believe so.
    I want so badly to believe that this beautiful child was not killed by her mother. The official cause of death will speak volumes for a child who can no longer speak for herself.

    It is complete misery to read about this kind of tragedy but more so unbearable for those who loved this child. My sincerest sympathies to the family.

    Rest in peace sweet Bianca…your smile was the sunshine in your mother’s life….I hope she knows that.

  • silvahalo

    Did you see the love that Bianca had when she looked up at her Mother in that picture, how could she do that to her???????? Such a sweet, beautiful little girl.

    …yeah, yeah, I did. As all children with parents who love them, they see them as the universe…as the only god they know. I do think she loved Bianca. Children who are not loved and are abused on a daily basis…many never have a photo to show their little face after death. I’m not saying 20 something photos mean you are innocent of a fowl and terrible thing…just saying she clearly loved Bianca at least I believe so.
    I want so badly to believe that this beautiful child was not killed by her mother. The official cause of death will speak volumes for a child who can no longer speak for herself.

    It is complete misery to read about this kind of tragedy but more so unbearable for those who loved this child. My sincerest sympathies to the family.

    Rest in peace sweet Bianca…your smile was the sunshine in your mother’s life….I hope she knows that.

  • mg2

    did anyone notice….She “found” her long lost sister on the 24th of September and 3 days later her baby was dead? I just find that a little strange.

  • mg2

    did anyone notice….She “found” her long lost sister on the 24th of September and 3 days later her baby was dead? I just find that a little strange.

  • mg2

    did anyone notice….She “found” her long lost sister on the 24th of September and 3 days later her baby was dead? I just find that a little strange.

  • redlipstick

    well I guess the girls in prison will see if she’s gay or bi I have a feeling Big Bertha will like this young one I only hope someone cuts her breathing off until she dies stupid bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • redlipstick

    well I guess the girls in prison will see if she’s gay or bi I have a feeling Big Bertha will like this young one I only hope someone cuts her breathing off until she dies stupid bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • redlipstick

    well I guess the girls in prison will see if she’s gay or bi I have a feeling Big Bertha will like this young one I only hope someone cuts her breathing off until she dies stupid bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • http://www.myspace.com/aprilamber April

    I can never imagine how people can kill their children. It is just too damn sad.

  • http://www.myspace.com/aprilamber April

    I can never imagine how people can kill their children. It is just too damn sad.

  • http://www.myspace.com/aprilamber April

    I can never imagine how people can kill their children. It is just too damn sad.

  • dmax

    I think it would only be fair to reserve comment on this one until we know the results from the autopsy. I sure hope this thing with young mothers and their 3 year olds isn’t becoming a new trend. Caylee Anthony brought me to DD and if it hadn’t been for her, I may never have heard of Bianca Nicole Starr. I guess I have been living on another planet most of my life. But, it seems 30 years ago, I never heard stories about shit like this, babies dying at the hands of their own mothers and fathers. Makes me wanna go Charles Bronson on all these MF’s. God bless Bianca and Caylee, both. I’m sure they are sisters in heaven.

  • dmax

    I think it would only be fair to reserve comment on this one until we know the results from the autopsy. I sure hope this thing with young mothers and their 3 year olds isn’t becoming a new trend. Caylee Anthony brought me to DD and if it hadn’t been for her, I may never have heard of Bianca Nicole Starr. I guess I have been living on another planet most of my life. But, it seems 30 years ago, I never heard stories about shit like this, babies dying at the hands of their own mothers and fathers. Makes me wanna go Charles Bronson on all these MF’s. God bless Bianca and Caylee, both. I’m sure they are sisters in heaven.

  • dmax

    I think it would only be fair to reserve comment on this one until we know the results from the autopsy. I sure hope this thing with young mothers and their 3 year olds isn’t becoming a new trend. Caylee Anthony brought me to DD and if it hadn’t been for her, I may never have heard of Bianca Nicole Starr. I guess I have been living on another planet most of my life. But, it seems 30 years ago, I never heard stories about shit like this, babies dying at the hands of their own mothers and fathers. Makes me wanna go Charles Bronson on all these MF’s. God bless Bianca and Caylee, both. I’m sure they are sisters in heaven.

  • LeeMouse

    I personally put ZERO stock in the fact that the child “seemed” well-loved and cared for. Abused children don’t always look like abused children–that’s why there are so very many cases that never come to the attention of social services–nothing about their appearance sets off alarm bells. You can love your child plenty (or at least, think you do) and still abuse her, usually due to substance abuse, anger problems, or just plain immaturity and not knowing any better. A whole lot of abusive parents love their kids, and justify any abuse as “well-deserved punishment that’s in the child’s best interest in the long run.”

    I come from a nice, intact, two-parent middle class family–no mom’s boyfriends to deal with, no substance abuse problems, no step-parent issues. Just a nice white picket fence kind of family. I was always clean and well-fed, my parents took us to Disneyland, I did great in school. Every single photo shows a nice wholesome family, with children who seem to be very well-loved and cared for. Yet my father beat me until I left home at 16, and molested me when I was in grade school.

    Appearances mean NOTHING. The only appearance that counts here (or any similar case) is the appearance of the dead child’s body and what was done to her.

  • LeeMouse

    I personally put ZERO stock in the fact that the child “seemed” well-loved and cared for. Abused children don’t always look like abused children–that’s why there are so very many cases that never come to the attention of social services–nothing about their appearance sets off alarm bells. You can love your child plenty (or at least, think you do) and still abuse her, usually due to substance abuse, anger problems, or just plain immaturity and not knowing any better. A whole lot of abusive parents love their kids, and justify any abuse as “well-deserved punishment that’s in the child’s best interest in the long run.”

    I come from a nice, intact, two-parent middle class family–no mom’s boyfriends to deal with, no substance abuse problems, no step-parent issues. Just a nice white picket fence kind of family. I was always clean and well-fed, my parents took us to Disneyland, I did great in school. Every single photo shows a nice wholesome family, with children who seem to be very well-loved and cared for. Yet my father beat me until I left home at 16, and molested me when I was in grade school.

    Appearances mean NOTHING. The only appearance that counts here (or any similar case) is the appearance of the dead child’s body and what was done to her.

  • LeeMouse

    I personally put ZERO stock in the fact that the child “seemed” well-loved and cared for. Abused children don’t always look like abused children–that’s why there are so very many cases that never come to the attention of social services–nothing about their appearance sets off alarm bells. You can love your child plenty (or at least, think you do) and still abuse her, usually due to substance abuse, anger problems, or just plain immaturity and not knowing any better. A whole lot of abusive parents love their kids, and justify any abuse as “well-deserved punishment that’s in the child’s best interest in the long run.”

    I come from a nice, intact, two-parent middle class family–no mom’s boyfriends to deal with, no substance abuse problems, no step-parent issues. Just a nice white picket fence kind of family. I was always clean and well-fed, my parents took us to Disneyland, I did great in school. Every single photo shows a nice wholesome family, with children who seem to be very well-loved and cared for. Yet my father beat me until I left home at 16, and molested me when I was in grade school.

    Appearances mean NOTHING. The only appearance that counts here (or any similar case) is the appearance of the dead child’s body and what was done to her.

  • hellbettie

    Oh man, I couldn’t go to sleep last night, this was heavy on my mind. I really did think of this precious little girl all night, and didn’t sleep real well, and can’t even nap for the life of me, now. This one has effected me like no other.

    I really do want to wait for autopsy results. But, I just don’t have a great feeling about them. First, they booked her on first degree murder charges. Why two counts, though?

    There must be something to this, in that police report, what with the drunken, bi-polar medication change. Mom/Grandmom already opened her big yapper about a drunken accident (and that’s all she’ll say). Mom, ya maybe should have just kept yourself quiet about the whole thing. Jeez, any lawyer would throw his hands up at the stuff you’ve already let loose. You weren’t much in her life to begin with anyway. Why start now? You screwed her over, enough already, don’t you think? Don’t blame the media for being out of control with this. Keep your trap shut and that wont happen.

    ‘Snaps’ can happen in the most loving families. All it takes is Mom not really feeling too well, hungover, just wants some damn quiet, and stuff like this happens. Apparently she had been drinking for awhile. That really wears on a person, and their ability to fully take care of a small child. The neighbors noticed this poor little angel, huddled under a table. Now that’s just sad. That reeks of someone screaming at her to “leave me alone, just shut up!!”

    Yeah, I’ve been there before too, looks can be deceiving. It’s natural for that little girl to look up at that woman with such love, it’s her mother. And that’s the saddest thing about this!

  • hellbettie

    Oh man, I couldn’t go to sleep last night, this was heavy on my mind. I really did think of this precious little girl all night, and didn’t sleep real well, and can’t even nap for the life of me, now. This one has effected me like no other.

    I really do want to wait for autopsy results. But, I just don’t have a great feeling about them. First, they booked her on first degree murder charges. Why two counts, though?

    There must be something to this, in that police report, what with the drunken, bi-polar medication change. Mom/Grandmom already opened her big yapper about a drunken accident (and that’s all she’ll say). Mom, ya maybe should have just kept yourself quiet about the whole thing. Jeez, any lawyer would throw his hands up at the stuff you’ve already let loose. You weren’t much in her life to begin with anyway. Why start now? You screwed her over, enough already, don’t you think? Don’t blame the media for being out of control with this. Keep your trap shut and that wont happen.

    ‘Snaps’ can happen in the most loving families. All it takes is Mom not really feeling too well, hungover, just wants some damn quiet, and stuff like this happens. Apparently she had been drinking for awhile. That really wears on a person, and their ability to fully take care of a small child. The neighbors noticed this poor little angel, huddled under a table. Now that’s just sad. That reeks of someone screaming at her to “leave me alone, just shut up!!”

    Yeah, I’ve been there before too, looks can be deceiving. It’s natural for that little girl to look up at that woman with such love, it’s her mother. And that’s the saddest thing about this!

  • hellbettie

    Oh man, I couldn’t go to sleep last night, this was heavy on my mind. I really did think of this precious little girl all night, and didn’t sleep real well, and can’t even nap for the life of me, now. This one has effected me like no other.

    I really do want to wait for autopsy results. But, I just don’t have a great feeling about them. First, they booked her on first degree murder charges. Why two counts, though?

    There must be something to this, in that police report, what with the drunken, bi-polar medication change. Mom/Grandmom already opened her big yapper about a drunken accident (and that’s all she’ll say). Mom, ya maybe should have just kept yourself quiet about the whole thing. Jeez, any lawyer would throw his hands up at the stuff you’ve already let loose. You weren’t much in her life to begin with anyway. Why start now? You screwed her over, enough already, don’t you think? Don’t blame the media for being out of control with this. Keep your trap shut and that wont happen.

    ‘Snaps’ can happen in the most loving families. All it takes is Mom not really feeling too well, hungover, just wants some damn quiet, and stuff like this happens. Apparently she had been drinking for awhile. That really wears on a person, and their ability to fully take care of a small child. The neighbors noticed this poor little angel, huddled under a table. Now that’s just sad. That reeks of someone screaming at her to “leave me alone, just shut up!!”

    Yeah, I’ve been there before too, looks can be deceiving. It’s natural for that little girl to look up at that woman with such love, it’s her mother. And that’s the saddest thing about this!

  • mipmop

    I dont kow what is wrong with all these GIRLS haivng kids and then murdering them. I (Mipmop’s wife) have four kids and one grandson. I would never in a million years would ever hurt my kids. When my oldest daughter was 4 yrs. old we took her to the park and I accidently close the door on her fingers, and I cried when I did that. I think all these kids having kids need to think about the consequence of having sex or there is a thing called RUBBERS. You know when you make adult decisions there is adult consequences to those actions. These kids cant say that look a the life I had..hmmmm. You know I know afew people that had a life worst than them, but its the kind of life you want when you are older. If you want better then do better, get out of the slump that you are in.

    THE ONLY PEOPLE I FEEL SORRY FOR IS ALL THESE KIDS BEING BORN, BUT WHAT MAKES IT WORST IS THE LIFE THEY HAVE BEFORE GOING TO HEAVEN.

  • mipmop

    I dont kow what is wrong with all these GIRLS haivng kids and then murdering them. I (Mipmop’s wife) have four kids and one grandson. I would never in a million years would ever hurt my kids. When my oldest daughter was 4 yrs. old we took her to the park and I accidently close the door on her fingers, and I cried when I did that. I think all these kids having kids need to think about the consequence of having sex or there is a thing called RUBBERS. You know when you make adult decisions there is adult consequences to those actions. These kids cant say that look a the life I had..hmmmm. You know I know afew people that had a life worst than them, but its the kind of life you want when you are older. If you want better then do better, get out of the slump that you are in.

    THE ONLY PEOPLE I FEEL SORRY FOR IS ALL THESE KIDS BEING BORN, BUT WHAT MAKES IT WORST IS THE LIFE THEY HAVE BEFORE GOING TO HEAVEN.

  • mipmop

    I dont kow what is wrong with all these GIRLS haivng kids and then murdering them. I (Mipmop’s wife) have four kids and one grandson. I would never in a million years would ever hurt my kids. When my oldest daughter was 4 yrs. old we took her to the park and I accidently close the door on her fingers, and I cried when I did that. I think all these kids having kids need to think about the consequence of having sex or there is a thing called RUBBERS. You know when you make adult decisions there is adult consequences to those actions. These kids cant say that look a the life I had..hmmmm. You know I know afew people that had a life worst than them, but its the kind of life you want when you are older. If you want better then do better, get out of the slump that you are in.

    THE ONLY PEOPLE I FEEL SORRY FOR IS ALL THESE KIDS BEING BORN, BUT WHAT MAKES IT WORST IS THE LIFE THEY HAVE BEFORE GOING TO HEAVEN.

  • CassieMomma

    Even if she didn’t mean to do it or cause it, she says that she put her hands over that childs mouth to calm her. I have a 2 almost 3 year old and I can say that, that probably wouldn’t calm her, if anything it would probably make her more upset. Also I would never put my hand over her mouth because I would be scared to death of “smoothering” her or hurting her in some way. What kind of class would teach that?????

    I know some of you are saying not to judge and Bianca could of had a medical condition, but I just don’t buy it. Karrae is saying she basically smoothered her and her Grandmother is saying that she was screwed up on medicine and alcohol. The truth is already being said.

    Even if it was an accident she should be punished because of her stupidity and she forever lost that beautiful girl who to me seemed full of love. It’s just too bad :(

  • CassieMomma

    Even if she didn’t mean to do it or cause it, she says that she put her hands over that childs mouth to calm her. I have a 2 almost 3 year old and I can say that, that probably wouldn’t calm her, if anything it would probably make her more upset. Also I would never put my hand over her mouth because I would be scared to death of “smoothering” her or hurting her in some way. What kind of class would teach that?????

    I know some of you are saying not to judge and Bianca could of had a medical condition, but I just don’t buy it. Karrae is saying she basically smoothered her and her Grandmother is saying that she was screwed up on medicine and alcohol. The truth is already being said.

    Even if it was an accident she should be punished because of her stupidity and she forever lost that beautiful girl who to me seemed full of love. It’s just too bad :(

  • CassieMomma

    Even if she didn’t mean to do it or cause it, she says that she put her hands over that childs mouth to calm her. I have a 2 almost 3 year old and I can say that, that probably wouldn’t calm her, if anything it would probably make her more upset. Also I would never put my hand over her mouth because I would be scared to death of “smoothering” her or hurting her in some way. What kind of class would teach that?????

    I know some of you are saying not to judge and Bianca could of had a medical condition, but I just don’t buy it. Karrae is saying she basically smoothered her and her Grandmother is saying that she was screwed up on medicine and alcohol. The truth is already being said.

    Even if it was an accident she should be punished because of her stupidity and she forever lost that beautiful girl who to me seemed full of love. It’s just too bad :(

  • SilliMari

    I know some of you are saying not to judge and Bianca could of had a medical condition, but I just don’t buy it. Karrae is saying she basically smoothered her and her Grandmother is saying that she was screwed up on medicine and alcohol. The truth is already being said.

    Exactly. She’s already confessed to being a part of it by “covering her mouth”

    I lean towards accidentally, though. But I know that doesn’t make her less liable. I predict a guilty verdict with a light sentence. She’ll be out again some day.

  • SilliMari

    I know some of you are saying not to judge and Bianca could of had a medical condition, but I just don’t buy it. Karrae is saying she basically smoothered her and her Grandmother is saying that she was screwed up on medicine and alcohol. The truth is already being said.

    Exactly. She’s already confessed to being a part of it by “covering her mouth”

    I lean towards accidentally, though. But I know that doesn’t make her less liable. I predict a guilty verdict with a light sentence. She’ll be out again some day.

  • SilliMari

    I know some of you are saying not to judge and Bianca could of had a medical condition, but I just don’t buy it. Karrae is saying she basically smoothered her and her Grandmother is saying that she was screwed up on medicine and alcohol. The truth is already being said.

    Exactly. She’s already confessed to being a part of it by “covering her mouth”

    I lean towards accidentally, though. But I know that doesn’t make her less liable. I predict a guilty verdict with a light sentence. She’ll be out again some day.

  • ImmortalOne

    Even if she didn’t mean to do it or cause it, she says that she put her hands over that childs mouth to calm her. I have a 2 almost 3 year old and I can say that, that probably wouldn’t calm her, if anything it would probably make her more upset. Also I would never put my hand over her mouth because I would be scared to death of “smoothering” her or hurting her in some way. What kind of class would teach that?????

    She didn’t cover the mouth, from what I read (and I might have misunderstood). But being a teen mother myself, I know the technique they are talking about. You teach the child to cover is own mouth with its hand. That way they can scream and yell, and they realize that it is not doing any good and learn from their actions.

    I really just want to find out the autopsy report. That finishes this once and for all. I pray for the mother and family that it was the heart condition. Pray that is what it was.

  • ImmortalOne

    Even if she didn’t mean to do it or cause it, she says that she put her hands over that childs mouth to calm her. I have a 2 almost 3 year old and I can say that, that probably wouldn’t calm her, if anything it would probably make her more upset. Also I would never put my hand over her mouth because I would be scared to death of “smoothering” her or hurting her in some way. What kind of class would teach that?????

    She didn’t cover the mouth, from what I read (and I might have misunderstood). But being a teen mother myself, I know the technique they are talking about. You teach the child to cover is own mouth with its hand. That way they can scream and yell, and they realize that it is not doing any good and learn from their actions.

    I really just want to find out the autopsy report. That finishes this once and for all. I pray for the mother and family that it was the heart condition. Pray that is what it was.

  • ImmortalOne

    Even if she didn’t mean to do it or cause it, she says that she put her hands over that childs mouth to calm her. I have a 2 almost 3 year old and I can say that, that probably wouldn’t calm her, if anything it would probably make her more upset. Also I would never put my hand over her mouth because I would be scared to death of “smoothering” her or hurting her in some way. What kind of class would teach that?????

    She didn’t cover the mouth, from what I read (and I might have misunderstood). But being a teen mother myself, I know the technique they are talking about. You teach the child to cover is own mouth with its hand. That way they can scream and yell, and they realize that it is not doing any good and learn from their actions.

    I really just want to find out the autopsy report. That finishes this once and for all. I pray for the mother and family that it was the heart condition. Pray that is what it was.

  • porcelain

    Case update!

    http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=5676&type=top
    It states
    She has been charged and the funeral is set for Tuesday?

    I thought the funeral had already passed according to grandma’s blog..wierd

  • porcelain

    Case update!

    http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=5676&type=top
    It states
    She has been charged and the funeral is set for Tuesday?

    I thought the funeral had already passed according to grandma’s blog..wierd

  • porcelain

    Case update!

    http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID=5676&type=top
    It states
    She has been charged and the funeral is set for Tuesday?

    I thought the funeral had already passed according to grandma’s blog..wierd

  • porcelain

    Her cached myspace

    http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:-5rJwH04fXwJ:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendid%3D141544832+Karrae+starr&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=14&gl=us

    Looks like she’s changed some things since her arrest!

    Read some of the comments.One guy claims she’s a “piss poor mom who’s drunk all the time”

  • porcelain

    Her cached myspace

    http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:-5rJwH04fXwJ:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendid%3D141544832+Karrae+starr&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=14&gl=us

    Looks like she’s changed some things since her arrest!

    Read some of the comments.One guy claims she’s a “piss poor mom who’s drunk all the time”

  • porcelain

    Her cached myspace

    http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:-5rJwH04fXwJ:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friendid%3D141544832+Karrae+starr&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=14&gl=us

    Looks like she’s changed some things since her arrest!

    Read some of the comments.One guy claims she’s a “piss poor mom who’s drunk all the time”

  • Rory28

    Im just curious…TWO counts of murder?…How is that possible?!…

  • Rory28

    Im just curious…TWO counts of murder?…How is that possible?!…

  • Rory28

    Im just curious…TWO counts of murder?…How is that possible?!…

  • Ruby

    Im just curious…TWO counts of murder?…How is that possible?!…

    Thank you, Rory. I asked that question back in post #13, and I still haven’t seen any response. I think no one quite understands this. Perhaps more will come out as the autopsy report and more information flows to the media. ??

  • Ruby

    Im just curious…TWO counts of murder?…How is that possible?!…

    Thank you, Rory. I asked that question back in post #13, and I still haven’t seen any response. I think no one quite understands this. Perhaps more will come out as the autopsy report and more information flows to the media. ??

  • Ruby

    Im just curious…TWO counts of murder?…How is that possible?!…

    Thank you, Rory. I asked that question back in post #13, and I still haven’t seen any response. I think no one quite understands this. Perhaps more will come out as the autopsy report and more information flows to the media. ??

  • justmeintn

    Im just curious…TWO counts of murder?…How is that possible?!…

    Some states make it two counts if it is a child involved so maybe her state is one of them.

  • justmeintn

    Im just curious…TWO counts of murder?…How is that possible?!…

    Some states make it two counts if it is a child involved so maybe her state is one of them.

  • justmeintn

    Im just curious…TWO counts of murder?…How is that possible?!…

    Some states make it two counts if it is a child involved so maybe her state is one of them.

  • http://truecrimereport.com/ SHuff

    Looks like that guy who called Karrae a piss-poor mom considered himself basically to be Bianca’s daddy. I made a pdf copy of that cached MySpace and posted it on True Crime Report, too. Just so’s the record is straight. Once Google spiders by again, any record of what it looked like prior to Bianca’s murder will be gone.

  • http://truecrimereport.com/ SHuff

    Looks like that guy who called Karrae a piss-poor mom considered himself basically to be Bianca’s daddy. I made a pdf copy of that cached MySpace and posted it on True Crime Report, too. Just so’s the record is straight. Once Google spiders by again, any record of what it looked like prior to Bianca’s murder will be gone.

  • http://truecrimereport.com/ SHuff

    Looks like that guy who called Karrae a piss-poor mom considered himself basically to be Bianca’s daddy. I made a pdf copy of that cached MySpace and posted it on True Crime Report, too. Just so’s the record is straight. Once Google spiders by again, any record of what it looked like prior to Bianca’s murder will be gone.

  • porcelain

    You know what I wonder?

    Where in the world is Bianca’s bio dad?
    He has never been mentioned at all..

  • porcelain

    You know what I wonder?

    Where in the world is Bianca’s bio dad?
    He has never been mentioned at all..

  • porcelain

    You know what I wonder?

    Where in the world is Bianca’s bio dad?
    He has never been mentioned at all..

  • justmeintn

    Where in the world is Bianca’s bio dad?He has never been mentioned at all..

    From what I’ve seen she told her ex “Mike” that she was raped by a black man.

  • justmeintn

    Where in the world is Bianca’s bio dad?He has never been mentioned at all..

    From what I’ve seen she told her ex “Mike” that she was raped by a black man.

  • justmeintn

    Where in the world is Bianca’s bio dad?He has never been mentioned at all..

    From what I’ve seen she told her ex “Mike” that she was raped by a black man.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Looks like that guy who called Karrae a piss-poor mom considered himself basically to be Bianca’s daddy. I made a pdf copy of that cached MySpace and posted it on True Crime Report, too. Just so’s the record is straight. Once Google spiders by again, any record of what it looked like prior to Bianca’s murder will be gone.

    That guy looks like a POS himself, though, the way he talked to her and by reading the other comments the way he whored around, or tried to anyway, with all kinds of girls and specifically liked to rub it in her face.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Looks like that guy who called Karrae a piss-poor mom considered himself basically to be Bianca’s daddy. I made a pdf copy of that cached MySpace and posted it on True Crime Report, too. Just so’s the record is straight. Once Google spiders by again, any record of what it looked like prior to Bianca’s murder will be gone.

    That guy looks like a POS himself, though, the way he talked to her and by reading the other comments the way he whored around, or tried to anyway, with all kinds of girls and specifically liked to rub it in her face.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com CheekySweetie

    Looks like that guy who called Karrae a piss-poor mom considered himself basically to be Bianca’s daddy. I made a pdf copy of that cached MySpace and posted it on True Crime Report, too. Just so’s the record is straight. Once Google spiders by again, any record of what it looked like prior to Bianca’s murder will be gone.

    That guy looks like a POS himself, though, the way he talked to her and by reading the other comments the way he whored around, or tried to anyway, with all kinds of girls and specifically liked to rub it in her face.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Where in the world is Bianca’s bio dad?
    He has never been mentioned at all..

    I found Bianca’s obituary the other day. Her father is listed in it. If Karrae was raped… I doubt they’d list his name (but then again…. this family already strikes me as odd, so who knows?)

    I haven’t been able to find any info on him yet tho.

    Bianca Nicole Starr

    September 30, 2008 10:18 am

    — Bianca Nicole Starr, 3, of Carterville, passed away at 8:23 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 27, 2008, at Herrin Hospital.
    She was born in Mt. Venron on Sept. 9, 2005, the daughter of Karrae Nicole Starr and Charles E. Allen.
    Private funeral services will be held at a later date with Pastor D. Wayne Heil officiating. Interment will be at Mt. Vernon Memorial Gardens in Woodlawn.
    Visitation will be from 5 to 7 p.m. tonight at Hughey Funeral Home in Mt. Vernon.
    Bianca is survived by her mother, Karrae Nicole Starr of Carterville; father, Charles E. Allen of Lawrenceville; grandmother, Deirdre Gibbs of Woodlawn; grandfather, Ronnie Starr of Texico, great-grandparents, Karen and Robert Carlton of Mt. Vernon and Sally and Wayne Starr of Texico; half-sister, Tiffany Allen of Illinois; special aunt, Caitlin Starr of Marion; two uncles, Curtis Hailey and Colton Hicks; three aunts, Rachel Starr, Tori Starr, and Ashleah Stimer; and several cousins.
    Her great-grandfather, Robert Hailey and uncle James” Renegade” Powell preceded her in death.
    For those who wish, memorials may be given to the Cardinal Glennon Children’s Hospital and will be accepted at the funeral home or may be mailed to Hughey Funeral Home, P.O. Box 721, Mt. Vernon, IL 62864.
    Arrangements have been entrusted to the care of Hughey Funeral Home where you may call 242-3348 or visit http://www.hugheyfuneralhome.com for further information and to send condolences.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Where in the world is Bianca’s bio dad?
    He has never been mentioned at all..

    I found Bianca’s obituary the other day. Her father is listed in it. If Karrae was raped… I doubt they’d list his name (but then again…. this family already strikes me as odd, so who knows?)

    I haven’t been able to find any info on him yet tho.

    Bianca Nicole Starr

    September 30, 2008 10:18 am

    — Bianca Nicole Starr, 3, of Carterville, passed away at 8:23 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 27, 2008, at Herrin Hospital.
    She was born in Mt. Venron on Sept. 9, 2005, the daughter of Karrae Nicole Starr and Charles E. Allen.
    Private funeral services will be held at a later date with Pastor D. Wayne Heil officiating. Interment will be at Mt. Vernon Memorial Gardens in Woodlawn.
    Visitation will be from 5 to 7 p.m. tonight at Hughey Funeral Home in Mt. Vernon.
    Bianca is survived by her mother, Karrae Nicole Starr of Carterville; father, Charles E. Allen of Lawrenceville; grandmother, Deirdre Gibbs of Woodlawn; grandfather, Ronnie Starr of Texico, great-grandparents, Karen and Robert Carlton of Mt. Vernon and Sally and Wayne Starr of Texico; half-sister, Tiffany Allen of Illinois; special aunt, Caitlin Starr of Marion; two uncles, Curtis Hailey and Colton Hicks; three aunts, Rachel Starr, Tori Starr, and Ashleah Stimer; and several cousins.
    Her great-grandfather, Robert Hailey and uncle James” Renegade” Powell preceded her in death.
    For those who wish, memorials may be given to the Cardinal Glennon Children’s Hospital and will be accepted at the funeral home or may be mailed to Hughey Funeral Home, P.O. Box 721, Mt. Vernon, IL 62864.
    Arrangements have been entrusted to the care of Hughey Funeral Home where you may call 242-3348 or visit http://www.hugheyfuneralhome.com for further information and to send condolences.

  • Zibarro

    Where in the world is Bianca’s bio dad?
    He has never been mentioned at all..

    I found Bianca’s obituary the other day. Her father is listed in it. If Karrae was raped… I doubt they’d list his name (but then again…. this family already strikes me as odd, so who knows?)

    I haven’t been able to find any info on him yet tho.

    Bianca Nicole Starr

    September 30, 2008 10:18 am

    — Bianca Nicole Starr, 3, of Carterville, passed away at 8:23 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 27, 2008, at Herrin Hospital.
    She was born in Mt. Venron on Sept. 9, 2005, the daughter of Karrae Nicole Starr and Charles E. Allen.
    Private funeral services will be held at a later date with Pastor D. Wayne Heil officiating. Interment will be at Mt. Vernon Memorial Gardens in Woodlawn.
    Visitation will be from 5 to 7 p.m. tonight at Hughey Funeral Home in Mt. Vernon.
    Bianca is survived by her mother, Karrae Nicole Starr of Carterville; father, Charles E. Allen of Lawrenceville; grandmother, Deirdre Gibbs of Woodlawn; grandfather, Ronnie Starr of Texico, great-grandparents, Karen and Robert Carlton of Mt. Vernon and Sally and Wayne Starr of Texico; half-sister, Tiffany Allen of Illinois; special aunt, Caitlin Starr of Marion; two uncles, Curtis Hailey and Colton Hicks; three aunts, Rachel Starr, Tori Starr, and Ashleah Stimer; and several cousins.
    Her great-grandfather, Robert Hailey and uncle James” Renegade” Powell preceded her in death.
    For those who wish, memorials may be given to the Cardinal Glennon Children’s Hospital and will be accepted at the funeral home or may be mailed to Hughey Funeral Home, P.O. Box 721, Mt. Vernon, IL 62864.
    Arrangements have been entrusted to the care of Hughey Funeral Home where you may call 242-3348 or visit http://www.hugheyfuneralhome.com for further information and to send condolences.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Perhaps they’ve already seen the autopsy results – or at least preliminary reports?

    Taken from the Mt. Vernon Register:

    Bianca Nicole Starr was taken to Herrin hospital, where she was pronounced dead, and Karrae Starr was arrested on charges of aggravated battery of a child.

    An autopsy was conducted Sunday.

    Charges against Starr were upgraded Monday from aggravated battery to two counts of first degree murder, and Starr is being held in the Williamson County Jail on $500,000 bond.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Perhaps they’ve already seen the autopsy results – or at least preliminary reports?

    Taken from the Mt. Vernon Register:

    Bianca Nicole Starr was taken to Herrin hospital, where she was pronounced dead, and Karrae Starr was arrested on charges of aggravated battery of a child.

    An autopsy was conducted Sunday.

    Charges against Starr were upgraded Monday from aggravated battery to two counts of first degree murder, and Starr is being held in the Williamson County Jail on $500,000 bond.

  • Zibarro

    Perhaps they’ve already seen the autopsy results – or at least preliminary reports?

    Taken from the Mt. Vernon Register:

    Bianca Nicole Starr was taken to Herrin hospital, where she was pronounced dead, and Karrae Starr was arrested on charges of aggravated battery of a child.

    An autopsy was conducted Sunday.

    Charges against Starr were upgraded Monday from aggravated battery to two counts of first degree murder, and Starr is being held in the Williamson County Jail on $500,000 bond.

  • Anonymous

    What a beautiful little girl. Tragic.

    I wish people who aren’t old enough to vote would stop having children.

  • Anonymous

    What a beautiful little girl. Tragic.

    I wish people who aren’t old enough to vote would stop having children.

  • sugarglider

    What a beautiful little girl. Tragic.

    I wish people who aren’t old enough to vote would stop having children.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Exactly. She’s already confessed to being a part of it by “covering her mouth”

    I believe what she said is that she told the little girl to cover her own mouth until she was done screaming….? Either way, not a good practice. I console my child when she is upset…. that is the natural thing to do. Not walk out, lock a door…. none of that shit. Even when she is having a temper tantrum, I hold her and console her. This way she knows that I value her emotions… and she knows that I am listening. Who ever came up with ignoring temper tantrums, or a childs cries anyway? Since when is it okay to walk away from a child who is frustrated, sad, scared, hungry, tired, angry? If someone walked away from me when I was angry or sad etc, I would think they didn’t value me and my feelings… It is something to think about. But yes, I believe she said that she and her sister were taught to tell the kids to put their hands over their mouth when they are screaming and crying…. go figure.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Exactly. She’s already confessed to being a part of it by “covering her mouth”

    I believe what she said is that she told the little girl to cover her own mouth until she was done screaming….? Either way, not a good practice. I console my child when she is upset…. that is the natural thing to do. Not walk out, lock a door…. none of that shit. Even when she is having a temper tantrum, I hold her and console her. This way she knows that I value her emotions… and she knows that I am listening. Who ever came up with ignoring temper tantrums, or a childs cries anyway? Since when is it okay to walk away from a child who is frustrated, sad, scared, hungry, tired, angry? If someone walked away from me when I was angry or sad etc, I would think they didn’t value me and my feelings… It is something to think about. But yes, I believe she said that she and her sister were taught to tell the kids to put their hands over their mouth when they are screaming and crying…. go figure.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Exactly. She’s already confessed to being a part of it by “covering her mouth”

    I believe what she said is that she told the little girl to cover her own mouth until she was done screaming….? Either way, not a good practice. I console my child when she is upset…. that is the natural thing to do. Not walk out, lock a door…. none of that shit. Even when she is having a temper tantrum, I hold her and console her. This way she knows that I value her emotions… and she knows that I am listening. Who ever came up with ignoring temper tantrums, or a childs cries anyway? Since when is it okay to walk away from a child who is frustrated, sad, scared, hungry, tired, angry? If someone walked away from me when I was angry or sad etc, I would think they didn’t value me and my feelings… It is something to think about. But yes, I believe she said that she and her sister were taught to tell the kids to put their hands over their mouth when they are screaming and crying…. go figure.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    No autopsy findings yet? They must have them by now… they will not bury a body unless they know…. so you know that they know what happened.

    Thing is, night time can be such a relaxing and enjoyable time, where you spend quality one on one time. It just saddens me to know this little girl is gone. Her life is over after such a short time here. That little smile… the innocence… gone!

    If mommy did this… God, that whole family and all of their friends are going to need some serious prayer.

    Hmmm, blood out the nose and foam out the mouth…. what about a seizure??? There is something more to this. Could the little child have gotten into someones meds or drugs? I can’t imagine…or it is hard to imagine her mom smothering her. If that is what happened, that little girl suffered. You know she was fighting for air…. wondering why mommy wouldn’t stop. Maybe mommy didn’t know it was getting to that point…. even if she didn’t it doesn’t matter. DO NOT put your hands over your child’s MOUTH AND NOSE…ever!

    TEEN MOMS: advice I was taught when I first had kids… if frustration or anger creeps up on you… put your child in a safe place (crib, or childproofed room) and go into another room. Get yourself away from the situation…. when anger and frustration is present, you are more dangerous than anything in your home at that moment. Call a friend or relative for help. Children are called children because they aren’t emotionally grown up to recognize that you are reaching your limit. They don’t even understand their feelings in totality. Ever see a child so tired they can hardly keep their eyes open, yet fight going to sleep…. they don’t understand. It is our job to remember this and help teach them how to recognize their own needs and eventually how they can fulfill some of their needs on their own. This is just sad and becoming TOO common!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    No autopsy findings yet? They must have them by now… they will not bury a body unless they know…. so you know that they know what happened.

    Thing is, night time can be such a relaxing and enjoyable time, where you spend quality one on one time. It just saddens me to know this little girl is gone. Her life is over after such a short time here. That little smile… the innocence… gone!

    If mommy did this… God, that whole family and all of their friends are going to need some serious prayer.

    Hmmm, blood out the nose and foam out the mouth…. what about a seizure??? There is something more to this. Could the little child have gotten into someones meds or drugs? I can’t imagine…or it is hard to imagine her mom smothering her. If that is what happened, that little girl suffered. You know she was fighting for air…. wondering why mommy wouldn’t stop. Maybe mommy didn’t know it was getting to that point…. even if she didn’t it doesn’t matter. DO NOT put your hands over your child’s MOUTH AND NOSE…ever!

    TEEN MOMS: advice I was taught when I first had kids… if frustration or anger creeps up on you… put your child in a safe place (crib, or childproofed room) and go into another room. Get yourself away from the situation…. when anger and frustration is present, you are more dangerous than anything in your home at that moment. Call a friend or relative for help. Children are called children because they aren’t emotionally grown up to recognize that you are reaching your limit. They don’t even understand their feelings in totality. Ever see a child so tired they can hardly keep their eyes open, yet fight going to sleep…. they don’t understand. It is our job to remember this and help teach them how to recognize their own needs and eventually how they can fulfill some of their needs on their own. This is just sad and becoming TOO common!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    No autopsy findings yet? They must have them by now… they will not bury a body unless they know…. so you know that they know what happened.

    Thing is, night time can be such a relaxing and enjoyable time, where you spend quality one on one time. It just saddens me to know this little girl is gone. Her life is over after such a short time here. That little smile… the innocence… gone!

    If mommy did this… God, that whole family and all of their friends are going to need some serious prayer.

    Hmmm, blood out the nose and foam out the mouth…. what about a seizure??? There is something more to this. Could the little child have gotten into someones meds or drugs? I can’t imagine…or it is hard to imagine her mom smothering her. If that is what happened, that little girl suffered. You know she was fighting for air…. wondering why mommy wouldn’t stop. Maybe mommy didn’t know it was getting to that point…. even if she didn’t it doesn’t matter. DO NOT put your hands over your child’s MOUTH AND NOSE…ever!

    TEEN MOMS: advice I was taught when I first had kids… if frustration or anger creeps up on you… put your child in a safe place (crib, or childproofed room) and go into another room. Get yourself away from the situation…. when anger and frustration is present, you are more dangerous than anything in your home at that moment. Call a friend or relative for help. Children are called children because they aren’t emotionally grown up to recognize that you are reaching your limit. They don’t even understand their feelings in totality. Ever see a child so tired they can hardly keep their eyes open, yet fight going to sleep…. they don’t understand. It is our job to remember this and help teach them how to recognize their own needs and eventually how they can fulfill some of their needs on their own. This is just sad and becoming TOO common!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Yeah Cheeky, were you talking about this comment that Shaine left her on her myspace??? Sounds like they were in a heated argument… and he obviously does feel she was a ‘drunk’ and didn’t take good care of Bianca. :( Awww, that poor baby girl.

    9 Jun 2008 20:32
    dumb bitch you aint shit. you wont be shit and its funny im the one going to the navy. im th one that has a job that pays 10.50 an hour ive been to collage and you cant sing for shit. you look like hell. your a piss of shit mom your drunk eveyday and dont take care of my daughter. so go fucksome more niggers and sayyou got rapped. because no one beives you dumb ass. well i would say love always but i dont love nigger fuckers who say they were rapped. im suprized you didnt say elli raped you.
    well kiss my ass bye

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Yeah Cheeky, were you talking about this comment that Shaine left her on her myspace??? Sounds like they were in a heated argument… and he obviously does feel she was a ‘drunk’ and didn’t take good care of Bianca. :( Awww, that poor baby girl.

    9 Jun 2008 20:32
    dumb bitch you aint shit. you wont be shit and its funny im the one going to the navy. im th one that has a job that pays 10.50 an hour ive been to collage and you cant sing for shit. you look like hell. your a piss of shit mom your drunk eveyday and dont take care of my daughter. so go fucksome more niggers and sayyou got rapped. because no one beives you dumb ass. well i would say love always but i dont love nigger fuckers who say they were rapped. im suprized you didnt say elli raped you.
    well kiss my ass bye

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Yeah Cheeky, were you talking about this comment that Shaine left her on her myspace??? Sounds like they were in a heated argument… and he obviously does feel she was a ‘drunk’ and didn’t take good care of Bianca. :( Awww, that poor baby girl.

    9 Jun 2008 20:32
    dumb bitch you aint shit. you wont be shit and its funny im the one going to the navy. im th one that has a job that pays 10.50 an hour ive been to collage and you cant sing for shit. you look like hell. your a piss of shit mom your drunk eveyday and dont take care of my daughter. so go fucksome more niggers and sayyou got rapped. because no one beives you dumb ass. well i would say love always but i dont love nigger fuckers who say they were rapped. im suprized you didnt say elli raped you.
    well kiss my ass bye

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Yeah Cheeky, were you talking about this comment that Shaine left her on her myspace??? Sounds like they were in a heated argument… and he obviously does feel she was a ‘drunk’ and didn’t take good care of Bianca. Awww, that poor baby girl.

    But notice I said, they were in an argument… my husband tells me I am a drunk, bitch etc… whenever we argue. My ex told me I was a bad mother etc. when we broke up. People say whatever they know will hurt you…

    I am still not believing that this young woman harmed her child. I mean, I know it happens, but in this particular case…. I just don’t see any indications there.

    I know my opinion may not be popular, but I think that something else may have a happened…. for some reason I am inclined to believe that Bianca’s mom didn’t do this to her….

    I may be wrong…but it just doesn’t make sense from what I see…. anyone else feel this way?

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Yeah Cheeky, were you talking about this comment that Shaine left her on her myspace??? Sounds like they were in a heated argument… and he obviously does feel she was a ‘drunk’ and didn’t take good care of Bianca. Awww, that poor baby girl.

    But notice I said, they were in an argument… my husband tells me I am a drunk, bitch etc… whenever we argue. My ex told me I was a bad mother etc. when we broke up. People say whatever they know will hurt you…

    I am still not believing that this young woman harmed her child. I mean, I know it happens, but in this particular case…. I just don’t see any indications there.

    I know my opinion may not be popular, but I think that something else may have a happened…. for some reason I am inclined to believe that Bianca’s mom didn’t do this to her….

    I may be wrong…but it just doesn’t make sense from what I see…. anyone else feel this way?

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Yeah Cheeky, were you talking about this comment that Shaine left her on her myspace??? Sounds like they were in a heated argument… and he obviously does feel she was a ‘drunk’ and didn’t take good care of Bianca. Awww, that poor baby girl.

    But notice I said, they were in an argument… my husband tells me I am a drunk, bitch etc… whenever we argue. My ex told me I was a bad mother etc. when we broke up. People say whatever they know will hurt you…

    I am still not believing that this young woman harmed her child. I mean, I know it happens, but in this particular case…. I just don’t see any indications there.

    I know my opinion may not be popular, but I think that something else may have a happened…. for some reason I am inclined to believe that Bianca’s mom didn’t do this to her….

    I may be wrong…but it just doesn’t make sense from what I see…. anyone else feel this way?

  • CassieMomma

    She didn’t cover the mouth, from what I read (and I might have misunderstood). But being a teen mother myself, I know the technique they are talking about. You teach the child to cover is own mouth with its hand. That way they can scream and yell, and they realize that it is not doing any good and learn from their actions.

    Maybe I mis-read myself, but I just don’t buy a 3 year old covering her mouth to the point where the child smoother’s herself. If that’s the case then maybe I think that she might of told her to do it, but when she wouldn’t she decided that she needed to “help her out” and do it for her. I do think that Karrae said she had done it, but again it seems like everyone in her family including Karrae just seems to be ramblilng on. Regardless we should find out soon what happened.

  • CassieMomma

    She didn’t cover the mouth, from what I read (and I might have misunderstood). But being a teen mother myself, I know the technique they are talking about. You teach the child to cover is own mouth with its hand. That way they can scream and yell, and they realize that it is not doing any good and learn from their actions.

    Maybe I mis-read myself, but I just don’t buy a 3 year old covering her mouth to the point where the child smoother’s herself. If that’s the case then maybe I think that she might of told her to do it, but when she wouldn’t she decided that she needed to “help her out” and do it for her. I do think that Karrae said she had done it, but again it seems like everyone in her family including Karrae just seems to be ramblilng on. Regardless we should find out soon what happened.

  • CassieMomma

    She didn’t cover the mouth, from what I read (and I might have misunderstood). But being a teen mother myself, I know the technique they are talking about. You teach the child to cover is own mouth with its hand. That way they can scream and yell, and they realize that it is not doing any good and learn from their actions.

    Maybe I mis-read myself, but I just don’t buy a 3 year old covering her mouth to the point where the child smoother’s herself. If that’s the case then maybe I think that she might of told her to do it, but when she wouldn’t she decided that she needed to “help her out” and do it for her. I do think that Karrae said she had done it, but again it seems like everyone in her family including Karrae just seems to be ramblilng on. Regardless we should find out soon what happened.

  • porcelain

    DNEILZ

    I am not so sure what to believe

    Obviously she seemed guilty to the police and possibly medical professionals or she wouldn’t be sitting in jail right now.
    She’d be at home mourning her loss with her family.

    Maybe she acted a certain way or said something weird?
    She was after all “drunk” when the baby died.

    IMO I think there is a possibility she was the one who covered babies mouth out of frustration and being drunk she didn’t realize the baby was dying until it was too late .
    Maybe this was what grandma was calling the “accident”?

    ALso that blog Karrae posted after she was imprisoned mentioned she told Bianca to cover her own mouth(.I don’t believe a child could smother herself.) She also mentioned locking the door to Bianca’s bedroom which to me says “poor parenting” right there who could leave a toddler in a locked room?
    If you notice Karrae retracted that blog because it’s no longer there.
    That seems odd to me.If Karrae really believed she was innocent she would have left it be for the world to see..not remove it in a few hours time.

    I could be wrong and I hope I am.

    Again this is only speculation…I was not there to know for sure if this is how it happened.I am just doing what the rest of us are doing and trying to piece this all together.

    The other oddity is grandma(karraes mom) claimed in her blog to have already buried bianca.Then the other day I read an article that stated that the funeral had not yet been held and they were hoping to make it possible that Karrae could attend.

    A shit bucket of unanswered questions and lies… leaves lots of room for speculation.

  • porcelain

    DNEILZ

    I am not so sure what to believe

    Obviously she seemed guilty to the police and possibly medical professionals or she wouldn’t be sitting in jail right now.
    She’d be at home mourning her loss with her family.

    Maybe she acted a certain way or said something weird?
    She was after all “drunk” when the baby died.

    IMO I think there is a possibility she was the one who covered babies mouth out of frustration and being drunk she didn’t realize the baby was dying until it was too late .
    Maybe this was what grandma was calling the “accident”?

    ALso that blog Karrae posted after she was imprisoned mentioned she told Bianca to cover her own mouth(.I don’t believe a child could smother herself.) She also mentioned locking the door to Bianca’s bedroom which to me says “poor parenting” right there who could leave a toddler in a locked room?
    If you notice Karrae retracted that blog because it’s no longer there.
    That seems odd to me.If Karrae really believed she was innocent she would have left it be for the world to see..not remove it in a few hours time.

    I could be wrong and I hope I am.

    Again this is only speculation…I was not there to know for sure if this is how it happened.I am just doing what the rest of us are doing and trying to piece this all together.

    The other oddity is grandma(karraes mom) claimed in her blog to have already buried bianca.Then the other day I read an article that stated that the funeral had not yet been held and they were hoping to make it possible that Karrae could attend.

    A shit bucket of unanswered questions and lies… leaves lots of room for speculation.

  • porcelain

    DNEILZ

    I am not so sure what to believe

    Obviously she seemed guilty to the police and possibly medical professionals or she wouldn’t be sitting in jail right now.
    She’d be at home mourning her loss with her family.

    Maybe she acted a certain way or said something weird?
    She was after all “drunk” when the baby died.

    IMO I think there is a possibility she was the one who covered babies mouth out of frustration and being drunk she didn’t realize the baby was dying until it was too late .
    Maybe this was what grandma was calling the “accident”?

    ALso that blog Karrae posted after she was imprisoned mentioned she told Bianca to cover her own mouth(.I don’t believe a child could smother herself.) She also mentioned locking the door to Bianca’s bedroom which to me says “poor parenting” right there who could leave a toddler in a locked room?
    If you notice Karrae retracted that blog because it’s no longer there.
    That seems odd to me.If Karrae really believed she was innocent she would have left it be for the world to see..not remove it in a few hours time.

    I could be wrong and I hope I am.

    Again this is only speculation…I was not there to know for sure if this is how it happened.I am just doing what the rest of us are doing and trying to piece this all together.

    The other oddity is grandma(karraes mom) claimed in her blog to have already buried bianca.Then the other day I read an article that stated that the funeral had not yet been held and they were hoping to make it possible that Karrae could attend.

    A shit bucket of unanswered questions and lies… leaves lots of room for speculation.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like she was stone-cold wasted. If she was wasted enough, it might even be she doesn’t remember what she did.

    Looks like that guy who called Karrae a piss-poor mom considered himself basically to be Bianca’s daddy.

    So did Mr. Self-Righteous quasi-rapist do anything at all, monetarily at least, to care for the child he created? Doesn’t sound like it. So he might want to be careful about throwing stones. Throw a few at himself first.

  • Anonymous

    Sounds like she was stone-cold wasted. If she was wasted enough, it might even be she doesn’t remember what she did.

    Looks like that guy who called Karrae a piss-poor mom considered himself basically to be Bianca’s daddy.

    So did Mr. Self-Righteous quasi-rapist do anything at all, monetarily at least, to care for the child he created? Doesn’t sound like it. So he might want to be careful about throwing stones. Throw a few at himself first.

  • sugarglider

    Sounds like she was stone-cold wasted. If she was wasted enough, it might even be she doesn’t remember what she did.

    Looks like that guy who called Karrae a piss-poor mom considered himself basically to be Bianca’s daddy.

    So did Mr. Self-Righteous quasi-rapist do anything at all, monetarily at least, to care for the child he created? Doesn’t sound like it. So he might want to be careful about throwing stones. Throw a few at himself first.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    A shit bucket of unanswered questions and lies… leaves lots of room for speculation.

    I completely agree with you here. Here is some more speculation…. perhaps it is possible that the child did not die from suffocation. I mean, I think this is what all of us are thinking, but an autopsy is really what will give us a better Idea of what happened.

    I guess I am trying to play devils advocate. I understand what you all are saying…you are so right, a child can not suffocate herself and neither could an adult… ever hold your breath as long as possible??? Once you need that breath, you take it. So we know if she suffocated, it wasn’t by Bianca holding her hand over her mouth. However… there are asthma deaths that happen, which is much like suffocation (remember, just playing advocate here)….

    This story just plagues me. I see none of the indication…other than hearing about the drinking (and didn’t see any pics on her myspace that looked like she was drunk)… that shows her to be a danger to her daughter. Also…. does anyone know for fact that she was indeed drunk??? … I am not saying she wasn’t, but can’t say that she was or believe she was because I haven’t seen actual facts. Just one article from here…

    Does anyone have any additional info on this case?

    I could be wrong and I hope I am.

    Boy, wouldn’t that be a little relief (wish we could have a lot of relief and that child was alive….) I do hope this is a case where it was unforseen natural causes….. If it isn’t, we will feel the need to look at every mom and wonder what child may be the next victim. :( Seriously…. it is becoming so common…. these poor babies!

    Okay, I will write more later… oh, one more thing. I requested a myspace add to Biancas mom and she accepted me. I wonder who is in charge of her myspace or could she be out????

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    A shit bucket of unanswered questions and lies… leaves lots of room for speculation.

    I completely agree with you here. Here is some more speculation…. perhaps it is possible that the child did not die from suffocation. I mean, I think this is what all of us are thinking, but an autopsy is really what will give us a better Idea of what happened.

    I guess I am trying to play devils advocate. I understand what you all are saying…you are so right, a child can not suffocate herself and neither could an adult… ever hold your breath as long as possible??? Once you need that breath, you take it. So we know if she suffocated, it wasn’t by Bianca holding her hand over her mouth. However… there are asthma deaths that happen, which is much like suffocation (remember, just playing advocate here)….

    This story just plagues me. I see none of the indication…other than hearing about the drinking (and didn’t see any pics on her myspace that looked like she was drunk)… that shows her to be a danger to her daughter. Also…. does anyone know for fact that she was indeed drunk??? … I am not saying she wasn’t, but can’t say that she was or believe she was because I haven’t seen actual facts. Just one article from here…

    Does anyone have any additional info on this case?

    I could be wrong and I hope I am.

    Boy, wouldn’t that be a little relief (wish we could have a lot of relief and that child was alive….) I do hope this is a case where it was unforseen natural causes….. If it isn’t, we will feel the need to look at every mom and wonder what child may be the next victim. :( Seriously…. it is becoming so common…. these poor babies!

    Okay, I will write more later… oh, one more thing. I requested a myspace add to Biancas mom and she accepted me. I wonder who is in charge of her myspace or could she be out????

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    A shit bucket of unanswered questions and lies… leaves lots of room for speculation.

    I completely agree with you here. Here is some more speculation…. perhaps it is possible that the child did not die from suffocation. I mean, I think this is what all of us are thinking, but an autopsy is really what will give us a better Idea of what happened.

    I guess I am trying to play devils advocate. I understand what you all are saying…you are so right, a child can not suffocate herself and neither could an adult… ever hold your breath as long as possible??? Once you need that breath, you take it. So we know if she suffocated, it wasn’t by Bianca holding her hand over her mouth. However… there are asthma deaths that happen, which is much like suffocation (remember, just playing advocate here)….

    This story just plagues me. I see none of the indication…other than hearing about the drinking (and didn’t see any pics on her myspace that looked like she was drunk)… that shows her to be a danger to her daughter. Also…. does anyone know for fact that she was indeed drunk??? … I am not saying she wasn’t, but can’t say that she was or believe she was because I haven’t seen actual facts. Just one article from here…

    Does anyone have any additional info on this case?

    I could be wrong and I hope I am.

    Boy, wouldn’t that be a little relief (wish we could have a lot of relief and that child was alive….) I do hope this is a case where it was unforseen natural causes….. If it isn’t, we will feel the need to look at every mom and wonder what child may be the next victim. :( Seriously…. it is becoming so common…. these poor babies!

    Okay, I will write more later… oh, one more thing. I requested a myspace add to Biancas mom and she accepted me. I wonder who is in charge of her myspace or could she be out????

  • Anonymous

    Okay, I will write more later… oh, one more thing. I requested a myspace add to Biancas mom and she accepted me. I wonder who is in charge of her myspace or could she be out????

    You DID? Any details to share that could shed any light?

  • Anonymous

    Okay, I will write more later… oh, one more thing. I requested a myspace add to Biancas mom and she accepted me. I wonder who is in charge of her myspace or could she be out????

    You DID? Any details to share that could shed any light?

  • sugarglider

    Okay, I will write more later… oh, one more thing. I requested a myspace add to Biancas mom and she accepted me. I wonder who is in charge of her myspace or could she be out????

    You DID? Any details to share that could shed any light?

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Yeah, I get arguing, but there was time enough for him to get to the computer log on, and write his words. That’s not like a heated face to face exchange. Not that it’s right to be hateful like that anyway, but it happens, especially when one is heated. ANY mom would be hurt by those words, even one who knows she is great. I’ve seen asshole guys like that say that to good moms just to get to them, so I don’t think his words carry any weight. With me at least, lol.

    I just have an odd feeling that this case is different, too. I can’t explain why, but I think there is more to this than has been presented.

    I have to say, I don’t take the Mom’s arrest as proof there is evidence of her guilt. Sometimes innocent people are arrested, and sometimes guilty people are not. If you’ve ever heard of the John Miller and Debbie Loveless case, you know exactly what I mean. The medical examiner testified that there was no way a dog caused the wounds on their 4yo daughter, and they were both convicted of killing her and sentenced to life. Turns out that the surgeons at the hospital cleaned up the wound on her thigh to try to repair it before she died-that’s why the wounds looked so clean. And the scratches they accused the parents, (successfully!), of making with thumbtacks in some bizarre ritual, (because you know, they read D&D books, so they were Satanists, duh!), were from the dog’s claws. That case shook my faith in the system big time. I hope they get it right-either way-in this case.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Yeah, I get arguing, but there was time enough for him to get to the computer log on, and write his words. That’s not like a heated face to face exchange. Not that it’s right to be hateful like that anyway, but it happens, especially when one is heated. ANY mom would be hurt by those words, even one who knows she is great. I’ve seen asshole guys like that say that to good moms just to get to them, so I don’t think his words carry any weight. With me at least, lol.

    I just have an odd feeling that this case is different, too. I can’t explain why, but I think there is more to this than has been presented.

    I have to say, I don’t take the Mom’s arrest as proof there is evidence of her guilt. Sometimes innocent people are arrested, and sometimes guilty people are not. If you’ve ever heard of the John Miller and Debbie Loveless case, you know exactly what I mean. The medical examiner testified that there was no way a dog caused the wounds on their 4yo daughter, and they were both convicted of killing her and sentenced to life. Turns out that the surgeons at the hospital cleaned up the wound on her thigh to try to repair it before she died-that’s why the wounds looked so clean. And the scratches they accused the parents, (successfully!), of making with thumbtacks in some bizarre ritual, (because you know, they read D&D books, so they were Satanists, duh!), were from the dog’s claws. That case shook my faith in the system big time. I hope they get it right-either way-in this case.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com CheekySweetie

    Yeah, I get arguing, but there was time enough for him to get to the computer log on, and write his words. That’s not like a heated face to face exchange. Not that it’s right to be hateful like that anyway, but it happens, especially when one is heated. ANY mom would be hurt by those words, even one who knows she is great. I’ve seen asshole guys like that say that to good moms just to get to them, so I don’t think his words carry any weight. With me at least, lol.

    I just have an odd feeling that this case is different, too. I can’t explain why, but I think there is more to this than has been presented.

    I have to say, I don’t take the Mom’s arrest as proof there is evidence of her guilt. Sometimes innocent people are arrested, and sometimes guilty people are not. If you’ve ever heard of the John Miller and Debbie Loveless case, you know exactly what I mean. The medical examiner testified that there was no way a dog caused the wounds on their 4yo daughter, and they were both convicted of killing her and sentenced to life. Turns out that the surgeons at the hospital cleaned up the wound on her thigh to try to repair it before she died-that’s why the wounds looked so clean. And the scratches they accused the parents, (successfully!), of making with thumbtacks in some bizarre ritual, (because you know, they read D&D books, so they were Satanists, duh!), were from the dog’s claws. That case shook my faith in the system big time. I hope they get it right-either way-in this case.

  • Anonymous

    I dont kow what is wrong with all these GIRLS haivng kids and then murdering them.

    Has at least something to do with the demonization (whether you agree with it or not) of abortion in the US, and the fact that it isn’t highly available in many areas, and that it isn’t ever subsidized for poor women. Add that to the fact that some locales (the entire state of Florida, for instance) teach “abstinence only”–which means you actually have a high number of teens who know very little about preventing pregnancy, or where to get free rubbers…true fact: an appalling number of teens in Florida think you can prevent preggo by drinking mountain dew after nookie. You can look this fact up.

  • Anonymous

    I dont kow what is wrong with all these GIRLS haivng kids and then murdering them.

    Has at least something to do with the demonization (whether you agree with it or not) of abortion in the US, and the fact that it isn’t highly available in many areas, and that it isn’t ever subsidized for poor women. Add that to the fact that some locales (the entire state of Florida, for instance) teach “abstinence only”–which means you actually have a high number of teens who know very little about preventing pregnancy, or where to get free rubbers…true fact: an appalling number of teens in Florida think you can prevent preggo by drinking mountain dew after nookie. You can look this fact up.

  • Anonymous

    I dont kow what is wrong with all these GIRLS haivng kids and then murdering them.

    Has at least something to do with the demonization (whether you agree with it or not) of abortion in the US, and the fact that it isn’t highly available in many areas, and that it isn’t ever subsidized for poor women. Add that to the fact that some locales (the entire state of Florida, for instance) teach “abstinence only”–which means you actually have a high number of teens who know very little about preventing pregnancy, or where to get free rubbers…true fact: an appalling number of teens in Florida think you can prevent preggo by drinking mountain dew after nookie. You can look this fact up. Lots of girls end up having kids waaaay before they are prepared to care for them emotionally or otherwise. The outcomes ain’t good.

  • Anonymous

    I dont kow what is wrong with all these GIRLS haivng kids and then murdering them.

    Has at least something to do with the demonization (whether you agree with it or not) of abortion in the US, and the fact that it isn’t highly available in many areas, and that it isn’t ever subsidized for poor women. Add that to the fact that some locales (the entire state of Florida, for instance) teach “abstinence only”–which means you actually have a high number of teens who know very little about preventing pregnancy, or where to get free rubbers…true fact: an appalling number of teens in Florida think you can prevent preggo by drinking mountain dew after nookie. You can look this fact up. Lots of girls end up having kids waaaay before they are prepared to care for them emotionally or otherwise. The outcomes ain’t good.

  • sugarglider

    I dont kow what is wrong with all these GIRLS haivng kids and then murdering them.

    Has at least something to do with the demonization (whether you agree with it or not) of abortion in the US, and the fact that it isn’t highly available in many areas, and that it isn’t ever subsidized for poor women. Add that to the fact that some locales (the entire state of Florida, for instance) teach “abstinence only”–which means you actually have a high number of teens who know very little about preventing pregnancy, or where to get free rubbers…true fact: an appalling number of teens in Florida think you can prevent preggo by drinking mountain dew after nookie. You can look this fact up.

  • sugarglider

    I dont kow what is wrong with all these GIRLS haivng kids and then murdering them.

    Has at least something to do with the demonization (whether you agree with it or not) of abortion in the US, and the fact that it isn’t highly available in many areas, and that it isn’t ever subsidized for poor women. Add that to the fact that some locales (the entire state of Florida, for instance) teach “abstinence only”–which means you actually have a high number of teens who know very little about preventing pregnancy, or where to get free rubbers…true fact: an appalling number of teens in Florida think you can prevent preggo by drinking mountain dew after nookie. You can look this fact up. Lots of girls end up having kids waaaay before they are prepared to care for them emotionally or otherwise. The outcomes ain’t good.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    You DID? Any details to share that could shed any light?

    well, not at this time…no. However, her myspace has changed a little. You know her video that is a tribute to her daughter … well it says something completely different…. something about her daughter is her life..etc. Check it out. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=141544832

    I did send a message to her and tell her that not everyone thinks that she has done this…. I can’t remember what all I wrote. But what makes me wonder is…who is doing this with her myspace??? Is she in jail or isn’t she?

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    You DID? Any details to share that could shed any light?

    well, not at this time…no. However, her myspace has changed a little. You know her video that is a tribute to her daughter … well it says something completely different…. something about her daughter is her life..etc. Check it out. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=141544832

    I did send a message to her and tell her that not everyone thinks that she has done this…. I can’t remember what all I wrote. But what makes me wonder is…who is doing this with her myspace??? Is she in jail or isn’t she?

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    You DID? Any details to share that could shed any light?

    well, not at this time…no. However, her myspace has changed a little. You know her video that is a tribute to her daughter … well it says something completely different…. something about her daughter is her life..etc. Check it out. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=141544832

    I did send a message to her and tell her that not everyone thinks that she has done this…. I can’t remember what all I wrote. But what makes me wonder is…who is doing this with her myspace??? Is she in jail or isn’t she?

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Has at least something to do with the demonization (whether you agree with it or not) of abortion in the US, and the fact that it isn’t highly available in many areas, and that it isn’t ever subsidized for poor women. Add that to the fact that some locales (the entire state of Florida, for instance) teach “abstinence only”–which means you actually have a high number of teens who know very little about preventing pregnancy, or where to get free rubbers…true fact: an appalling number of teens in Florida think you can prevent preggo by drinking mountain dew after nookie. You can look this fact up. Lots of girls end up having kids waaaay before they are prepared to care for them emotionally or otherwise. The outcomes ain’t good.

    damn… I am learning something new everyday! You mean the mountain dew wont work??? Kidding. But all kidding aside, that is a good point about choices not being there for low income people. Insurance doesn’t cover it and it is a rather expensive option. Adoption is always another option… heck, my sister is over 40 and still hasn’t been successful w/her husband in getting pregnant. And they would be such good parents, too. Man… this is all so sad

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Has at least something to do with the demonization (whether you agree with it or not) of abortion in the US, and the fact that it isn’t highly available in many areas, and that it isn’t ever subsidized for poor women. Add that to the fact that some locales (the entire state of Florida, for instance) teach “abstinence only”–which means you actually have a high number of teens who know very little about preventing pregnancy, or where to get free rubbers…true fact: an appalling number of teens in Florida think you can prevent preggo by drinking mountain dew after nookie. You can look this fact up. Lots of girls end up having kids waaaay before they are prepared to care for them emotionally or otherwise. The outcomes ain’t good.

    damn… I am learning something new everyday! You mean the mountain dew wont work??? Kidding. But all kidding aside, that is a good point about choices not being there for low income people. Insurance doesn’t cover it and it is a rather expensive option. Adoption is always another option… heck, my sister is over 40 and still hasn’t been successful w/her husband in getting pregnant. And they would be such good parents, too. Man… this is all so sad

  • Anonymous

    Do people not get computer time in jail? I don’t know. But maybe she is out on bond.

  • sugarglider

    Do people not get computer time in jail? I don’t know. But maybe she is out on bond.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    I just have an odd feeling that this case is different, too. I can’t explain why, but I think there is more to this than has been presented.

    I am glad I am not the only one. Just a gut feeling. This situation is nothing like the Anthony situation… I can say that much I do know.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    I just have an odd feeling that this case is different, too. I can’t explain why, but I think there is more to this than has been presented.

    I am glad I am not the only one. Just a gut feeling. This situation is nothing like the Anthony situation… I can say that much I do know.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Do people not get computer time in jail? I don’t know. But maybe she is out on bond.

    I don’t think the family has that kind of money. She hasn’t answered my message, but it was read… I checked. It was a nice message and did not say that I thought she was guilty or anything…. maybe a friend or her mom is handling it???

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Do people not get computer time in jail? I don’t know. But maybe she is out on bond.

    I don’t think the family has that kind of money. She hasn’t answered my message, but it was read… I checked. It was a nice message and did not say that I thought she was guilty or anything…. maybe a friend or her mom is handling it???

  • Anonymous

    damn… I am learning something new everyday! You mean the mountain dew wont work??? Kidding. But all kidding aside, that is a good point about choices not being there for low income people. Insurance doesn’t cover it and it is a rather expensive option. Adoption is always another option… heck, my sister is over 40 and still hasn’t been successful w/her husband in getting pregnant. And they would be such good parents, too. Man… this is all so sad

    Heck, if a girl goes to one of those “Crisis Pregnancy Center” type places for a free pregnancy test, they give the girl all kinds of hell for even considering abortion. Personally, I think that’s crazy. Those people should STFU, in my opinion, and go foster-care some crack babies instead.

    In Mississippi, there’s only 1 town in the whole state you can get an abortion, that I do know–and only 1 day every month are they offered. AND they have a mandatory waiting period between pregnancy test and abortion (as if anyone going for a test hasn’t already been thinking long and hard about it all). Plenty of women don’t know the waiting period exists, and miss the window for abortion. Or they’re poor and incompetent and can’t get to the town where the service is offered. I bet plenty of people where Karrae lives like to spend their time picketing outside of doctors’ offices that offer these services, but maybe their time could have been better spent offering Karrae some free childcare…couldn’t have hurt, and might have helped.

  • sugarglider

    damn… I am learning something new everyday! You mean the mountain dew wont work??? Kidding. But all kidding aside, that is a good point about choices not being there for low income people. Insurance doesn’t cover it and it is a rather expensive option. Adoption is always another option… heck, my sister is over 40 and still hasn’t been successful w/her husband in getting pregnant. And they would be such good parents, too. Man… this is all so sad

    Heck, if a girl goes to one of those “Crisis Pregnancy Center” type places for a free pregnancy test, they give the girl all kinds of hell for even considering abortion. Personally, I think that’s crazy. Those people should STFU, in my opinion, and go foster-care some crack babies instead.

    In Mississippi, there’s only 1 town in the whole state you can get an abortion, that I do know–and only 1 day every month are they offered. AND they have a mandatory waiting period between pregnancy test and abortion (as if anyone going for a test hasn’t already been thinking long and hard about it all). Plenty of women don’t know the waiting period exists, and miss the window for abortion. Or they’re poor and incompetent and can’t get to the town where the service is offered. I bet plenty of people where Karrae lives like to spend their time picketing outside of doctors’ offices that offer these services, but maybe their time could have been better spent offering Karrae some free childcare…couldn’t have hurt, and might have helped.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    I didn’t have health care available to me at work when I got pregnant with my youngest, so I went to one of those crisis centers to get proof of pregnancy for medicaid. They sat me down to watch a horrifying anti-abortion video that was graphic and scary-and I was 25 or 26; I can only imagine how terrible it would be for a young girl.

    I got pregnant very young, too. One of the first things my mom said was “Abortion is out of the question.” Now, my mom is wonderful and I wouldn’t be anything to be proud of without her influence, but what if that really would have been the best option for me? (It wasn’t, but what if I was someone else, KWIM?)

    I can see a young girl not having abortion available to her, because of funds or family influence. You have no concept of what parenthood is *really* like, but you know you do love your baby, and you just can’t bring yourself to walk away from him or her. You convince yourself you can be a good parent, and you keep your baby. But a year or two later, if that, and you are in *way* over your head.

    The teen mom program I was in was strange…a girl chose to give her baby up. She was slow and had little support at home, and she knew she couldn’t give her baby a good life. You know the other girls in the program *tormented* that girl for “getting rid of” her baby?! I stuck up for her no less than four times when she was being harassed, and I am sure it happened more when I wasn’t around.

    In my opinion, a large portion of kids who become sexually active very young have daddy or mommy issues. You give a child a stable home, an involved set of parents, and a sense of pride in themselves and their bodies through school, sports, the arts, etc., and they have a much smaller chance of falling into that trap.

    For those that do still become parents young, there needs to be more support to prevent problems. These kids don’t even know how to balance a checkbook and they are having babies. They need life skills, they need mentors who have been there to show them a better way of life and that they still can have a bright future, they need parenting groups to talk about how stressful it is, they need relief so they can still go out now and then… Someday I am starting a non-profit for young parents, and I hope to provide these things. It’s just a theory for now, but I believe having a strong support system will mean far less maltreated children and far more successful former teen parents.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com CheekySweetie

    I didn’t have health care available to me at work when I got pregnant with my youngest, so I went to one of those crisis centers to get proof of pregnancy for medicaid. They sat me down to watch a horrifying anti-abortion video that was graphic and scary-and I was 25 or 26; I can only imagine how terrible it would be for a young girl.

    I got pregnant very young, too. One of the first things my mom said was “Abortion is out of the question.” Now, my mom is wonderful and I wouldn’t be anything to be proud of without her influence, but what if that really would have been the best option for me? (It wasn’t, but what if I was someone else, KWIM?)

    I can see a young girl not having abortion available to her, because of funds or family influence. You have no concept of what parenthood is *really* like, but you know you do love your baby, and you just can’t bring yourself to walk away from him or her. You convince yourself you can be a good parent, and you keep your baby. But a year or two later, if that, and you are in *way* over your head.

    The teen mom program I was in was strange…a girl chose to give her baby up. She was slow and had little support at home, and she knew she couldn’t give her baby a good life. You know the other girls in the program *tormented* that girl for “getting rid of” her baby?! I stuck up for her no less than four times when she was being harassed, and I am sure it happened more when I wasn’t around.

    In my opinion, a large portion of kids who become sexually active very young have daddy or mommy issues. You give a child a stable home, an involved set of parents, and a sense of pride in themselves and their bodies through school, sports, the arts, etc., and they have a much smaller chance of falling into that trap.

    For those that do still become parents young, there needs to be more support to prevent problems. These kids don’t even know how to balance a checkbook and they are having babies. They need life skills, they need mentors who have been there to show them a better way of life and that they still can have a bright future, they need parenting groups to talk about how stressful it is, they need relief so they can still go out now and then… Someday I am starting a non-profit for young parents, and I hope to provide these things. It’s just a theory for now, but I believe having a strong support system will mean far less maltreated children and far more successful former teen parents.

  • Anonymous

    For those that do still become parents young, there needs to be more support to prevent problems. These kids don’t even know how to balance a checkbook and they are having babies. They need life skills, they need mentors who have been there to show them a better way of life and that they still can have a bright future, they need parenting groups to talk about how stressful it is, they need relief so they can still go out now and then… Someday I am starting a non-profit for young parents, and I hope to provide these things. It’s just a theory for now, but I believe having a strong support system will mean far less maltreated children and far more successful former teen parents.

    Cheekysweetie, I couldn’t agree with you more. You said it all so well indeed. I’ve said it before and I’m sure I’ll say it many times more: I wish some of my tax money would go to providing parenting skills classes (it’s not like any part of it just comes naturally) and, most crucially, childcare. In fact, I really think childcare should be subsidized, available for free for all parents who need it, for whatever reason. It’s in the best interest of the children, and thus the whole society, that’s what I think. If the democrats stay in the whitehouse longer than just to clean up the current fiscal disaster, this might actually become a reality.

  • sugarglider

    For those that do still become parents young, there needs to be more support to prevent problems. These kids don’t even know how to balance a checkbook and they are having babies. They need life skills, they need mentors who have been there to show them a better way of life and that they still can have a bright future, they need parenting groups to talk about how stressful it is, they need relief so they can still go out now and then… Someday I am starting a non-profit for young parents, and I hope to provide these things. It’s just a theory for now, but I believe having a strong support system will mean far less maltreated children and far more successful former teen parents.

    Cheekysweetie, I couldn’t agree with you more. You said it all so well indeed. I’ve said it before and I’m sure I’ll say it many times more: I wish some of my tax money would go to providing parenting skills classes (it’s not like any part of it just comes naturally) and, most crucially, childcare. In fact, I really think childcare should be subsidized, available for free for all parents who need it, for whatever reason. It’s in the best interest of the children, and thus the whole society, that’s what I think. If the democrats stay in the whitehouse longer than just to clean up the current fiscal disaster, this might actually become a reality.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    In Mississippi, there’s only 1 town in the whole state you can get an abortion, that I do know–and only 1 day every month are they offered. AND they have a mandatory waiting period between pregnancy test and abortion (as if anyone going for a test hasn’t already been thinking long and hard about it all). Plenty of women don’t know the waiting period exists, and miss the window for abortion. Or they’re poor and incompetent and can’t get to the town where the service is offered. I bet plenty of people where Karrae lives like to spend their time picketing outside of doctors’ offices that offer these services, but maybe their time could have been better spent offering Karrae some free childcare…couldn’t have hurt, and might have helped.

    Okay, well if a teen finds out she is pregnant, or has unprotected sex, there is the plan B, which is available through prescription. At least in the state of Michigan. Also, there is the RU486, which can be used within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. And then you have the other methods offered. I think we all agree that prevention would be the better way for anyone having sex who isn’t married. With the level of infected and diseased people (sorry to say it this way) it is important that these children be taught not to take risks with their health…or someone elses.

    The plan B…. it would be nice if this was made available over the counter. It has to be taken within I think 24 hours of the unprotected sex, however, it is less invasive and less risky for a young woman…than the alternative type of abortion. This procedure prevents implantation, like birth control does. At least this is my understanding. I did a large paper in college in regard to the options made available to women who are faced with an unplanned pregnancy or a pregnancy that would be detrimental to a womans health (someone who has medical issues).

    I don’t take an immediate stance whether it is right or wrong… what I do believe is that free will was given by God and it should be each individuals choice…

    I think that anyone who is pregnant and under the age of 18 should be required to take parenting classes, prove employment, have a ‘sponsor’ for their emotional well being (a go to person if they are in crisis) and prove their ability to provide a safe home. There should be other things in line with this as well. But this post would get way too long if I further said what I think would help. And most definitely, these young parents should have a life coach who helps them set goals so if they need to use the welfare system starting off…they will have ways to get off it and support themselves and their child. (Requirement of college or technical degree). Maybe some of these requirements would make some of the young girls think about protecting themselves from unplanned pregnancy. Yea, and the father of the child… he would have to not only pay child support but a percentage back to the state for whom is helping to fund this child.

    I may be all wrong, but wouldn’t it be nice to place some type of preventative measures for these babies???

    It is just a thought ;)

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    In Mississippi, there’s only 1 town in the whole state you can get an abortion, that I do know–and only 1 day every month are they offered. AND they have a mandatory waiting period between pregnancy test and abortion (as if anyone going for a test hasn’t already been thinking long and hard about it all). Plenty of women don’t know the waiting period exists, and miss the window for abortion. Or they’re poor and incompetent and can’t get to the town where the service is offered. I bet plenty of people where Karrae lives like to spend their time picketing outside of doctors’ offices that offer these services, but maybe their time could have been better spent offering Karrae some free childcare…couldn’t have hurt, and might have helped.

    Okay, well if a teen finds out she is pregnant, or has unprotected sex, there is the plan B, which is available through prescription. At least in the state of Michigan. Also, there is the RU486, which can be used within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. And then you have the other methods offered. I think we all agree that prevention would be the better way for anyone having sex who isn’t married. With the level of infected and diseased people (sorry to say it this way) it is important that these children be taught not to take risks with their health…or someone elses.

    The plan B…. it would be nice if this was made available over the counter. It has to be taken within I think 24 hours of the unprotected sex, however, it is less invasive and less risky for a young woman…than the alternative type of abortion. This procedure prevents implantation, like birth control does. At least this is my understanding. I did a large paper in college in regard to the options made available to women who are faced with an unplanned pregnancy or a pregnancy that would be detrimental to a womans health (someone who has medical issues).

    I don’t take an immediate stance whether it is right or wrong… what I do believe is that free will was given by God and it should be each individuals choice…

    I think that anyone who is pregnant and under the age of 18 should be required to take parenting classes, prove employment, have a ‘sponsor’ for their emotional well being (a go to person if they are in crisis) and prove their ability to provide a safe home. There should be other things in line with this as well. But this post would get way too long if I further said what I think would help. And most definitely, these young parents should have a life coach who helps them set goals so if they need to use the welfare system starting off…they will have ways to get off it and support themselves and their child. (Requirement of college or technical degree). Maybe some of these requirements would make some of the young girls think about protecting themselves from unplanned pregnancy. Yea, and the father of the child… he would have to not only pay child support but a percentage back to the state for whom is helping to fund this child.

    I may be all wrong, but wouldn’t it be nice to place some type of preventative measures for these babies???

    It is just a thought ;)

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    In Mississippi, there’s only 1 town in the whole state you can get an abortion, that I do know–and only 1 day every month are they offered. AND they have a mandatory waiting period between pregnancy test and abortion (as if anyone going for a test hasn’t already been thinking long and hard about it all). Plenty of women don’t know the waiting period exists, and miss the window for abortion. Or they’re poor and incompetent and can’t get to the town where the service is offered. I bet plenty of people where Karrae lives like to spend their time picketing outside of doctors’ offices that offer these services, but maybe their time could have been better spent offering Karrae some free childcare…couldn’t have hurt, and might have helped.

    Okay, well if a teen finds out she is pregnant, or has unprotected sex, there is the plan B, which is available through prescription. At least in the state of Michigan. Also, there is the RU486, which can be used within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. And then you have the other methods offered. I think we all agree that prevention would be the better way for anyone having sex who isn’t married. With the level of infected and diseased people (sorry to say it this way) it is important that these children be taught not to take risks with their health…or someone elses.

    The plan B…. it would be nice if this was made available over the counter. It has to be taken within I think 24 hours of the unprotected sex, however, it is less invasive and less risky for a young woman…than the alternative type of abortion. This procedure prevents implantation, like birth control does. At least this is my understanding. I did a large paper in college in regard to the options made available to women who are faced with an unplanned pregnancy or a pregnancy that would be detrimental to a womans health (someone who has medical issues).

    I don’t take an immediate stance whether it is right or wrong… what I do believe is that free will was given by God and it should be each individuals choice…

    I think that anyone who is pregnant and under the age of 18 should be required to take parenting classes, prove employment, have a ‘sponsor’ for their emotional well being (a go to person if they are in crisis) and prove their ability to provide a safe home. There should be other things in line with this as well. But this post would get way too long if I further said what I think would help. And most definitely, these young parents should have a life coach who helps them set goals so if they need to use the welfare system starting off…they will have ways to get off it and support themselves and their child. (Requirement of college or technical degree). Maybe some of these requirements would make some of the young girls think about protecting themselves from unplanned pregnancy. Yea, and the father of the child… he would have to not only pay child support but a percentage back to the state for whom is helping to fund this child.

    I may be all wrong, but wouldn’t it be nice to place some type of preventative measures for these babies???

    It is just a thought ;)

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    wow, no sooner did I post …. and there your thoughts were too…. both of yours. Great Minds think alike!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    wow, no sooner did I post …. and there your thoughts were too…. both of yours. Great Minds think alike!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    wow, no sooner did I post …. and there your thoughts were too…. both of yours. Great Minds think alike!

  • Anonymous

    Okay, well if a teen finds out she is pregnant, or has unprotected sex, there is the plan B, which is available through prescription. At least in the state of Michigan. Also, there is the RU486, which can be used within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. And then you have the other methods offered. I think we all agree that prevention would be the better way for anyone having sex who isn’t married.

    Actually, I personally support abortion regardless of reason or circumstance. And even for married people! Every egg can’t become a child. And as far as Plan B goes, I think it should be available WITHOUT prescription. Not always possible to get a prescription w/in 24 hours. (Even if one has a prescription, a pharmacist can refuse to fill it).

    Like I said, every egg can’t become a child, and I would like for every child to be a wanted child. Now, the egg that made Bianca *did* become a child, and I sure wish she were still around :(

  • Anonymous

    Okay, well if a teen finds out she is pregnant, or has unprotected sex, there is the plan B, which is available through prescription. At least in the state of Michigan. Also, there is the RU486, which can be used within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. And then you have the other methods offered. I think we all agree that prevention would be the better way for anyone having sex who isn’t married.

    Actually, I personally support abortion regardless of reason or circumstance. And even for married people! Every egg can’t become a child. And as far as Plan B goes, I think it should be available WITHOUT prescription. Not always possible to get a prescription w/in 24 hours. (Even if one has a prescription, a pharmacist can refuse to fill it).

    Like I said, every egg can’t become a child, and I would like for every child to be a wanted child. Now, the egg that made Bianca *did* become a child, and I sure wish she were still around :(

  • sugarglider

    Okay, well if a teen finds out she is pregnant, or has unprotected sex, there is the plan B, which is available through prescription. At least in the state of Michigan. Also, there is the RU486, which can be used within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy. And then you have the other methods offered. I think we all agree that prevention would be the better way for anyone having sex who isn’t married.

    Actually, I personally support abortion regardless of reason or circumstance. And even for married people! Every egg can’t become a child. And as far as Plan B goes, I think it should be available WITHOUT prescription. Not always possible to get a prescription w/in 24 hours. (Even if one has a prescription, a pharmacist can refuse to fill it).

    Like I said, every egg can’t become a child, and I would like for every child to be a wanted child. Now, the egg that made Bianca *did* become a child, and I sure wish she were still around :(

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Cheekysweetie, I couldn’t agree with you more. You said it all so well indeed. I’ve said it before and I’m sure I’ll say it many times more: I wish some of my tax money would go to providing parenting skills classes (it’s not like any part of it just comes naturally) and, most crucially, childcare. In fact, I really think childcare should be subsidized, available for free for all parents who need it, for whatever reason. It’s in the best interest of the children, and thus the whole society, that’s what I think. If the democrats stay in the whitehouse longer than just to clean up the current fiscal disaster, this might actually become a reality.

    Yup! I think the idea of small government worked long ago, but times are different now. People, left to their own devices, no longer tend to coast along staying within boundaries that are good for the majority. These days we have big problems, and ignoring them may be good for our wallets for now, but collectively, it’s bad for our society, and we are paying for it with the children in foster care, people in prison, etc. in the long run anyway.

    I work for a parenting program. We get all our funding from the agency that the Department of Children and Families contracts to supervise families at high risk for maltreatment. I wish there would have been a program like this available for me when I was a young parent. But then again, I wasn’t reported for abuse or neglect, so I wouldn’t have qualified. Preventative care is often cast aside for the temporary band-aid after problems have already arisen.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Cheekysweetie, I couldn’t agree with you more. You said it all so well indeed. I’ve said it before and I’m sure I’ll say it many times more: I wish some of my tax money would go to providing parenting skills classes (it’s not like any part of it just comes naturally) and, most crucially, childcare. In fact, I really think childcare should be subsidized, available for free for all parents who need it, for whatever reason. It’s in the best interest of the children, and thus the whole society, that’s what I think. If the democrats stay in the whitehouse longer than just to clean up the current fiscal disaster, this might actually become a reality.

    Yup! I think the idea of small government worked long ago, but times are different now. People, left to their own devices, no longer tend to coast along staying within boundaries that are good for the majority. These days we have big problems, and ignoring them may be good for our wallets for now, but collectively, it’s bad for our society, and we are paying for it with the children in foster care, people in prison, etc. in the long run anyway.

    I work for a parenting program. We get all our funding from the agency that the Department of Children and Families contracts to supervise families at high risk for maltreatment. I wish there would have been a program like this available for me when I was a young parent. But then again, I wasn’t reported for abuse or neglect, so I wouldn’t have qualified. Preventative care is often cast aside for the temporary band-aid after problems have already arisen.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com CheekySweetie

    Cheekysweetie, I couldn’t agree with you more. You said it all so well indeed. I’ve said it before and I’m sure I’ll say it many times more: I wish some of my tax money would go to providing parenting skills classes (it’s not like any part of it just comes naturally) and, most crucially, childcare. In fact, I really think childcare should be subsidized, available for free for all parents who need it, for whatever reason. It’s in the best interest of the children, and thus the whole society, that’s what I think. If the democrats stay in the whitehouse longer than just to clean up the current fiscal disaster, this might actually become a reality.

    Yup! I think the idea of small government worked long ago, but times are different now. People, left to their own devices, no longer tend to coast along staying within boundaries that are good for the majority. These days we have big problems, and ignoring them may be good for our wallets for now, but collectively, it’s bad for our society, and we are paying for it with the children in foster care, people in prison, etc. in the long run anyway.

    I work for a parenting program. We get all our funding from the agency that the Department of Children and Families contracts to supervise families at high risk for maltreatment. I wish there would have been a program like this available for me when I was a young parent. But then again, I wasn’t reported for abuse or neglect, so I wouldn’t have qualified. Preventative care is often cast aside for the temporary band-aid after problems have already arisen.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    wow, no sooner did I post …. and there your thoughts were too…. both of yours. Great Minds think alike!

    LOL no doubt. I always say that you have to have a license to catch a fish in Florida, but anyone with a (functioning) uterus or testes can have a baby. Makes no sense at all.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    wow, no sooner did I post …. and there your thoughts were too…. both of yours. Great Minds think alike!

    LOL no doubt. I always say that you have to have a license to catch a fish in Florida, but anyone with a (functioning) uterus or testes can have a baby. Makes no sense at all.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com CheekySweetie

    wow, no sooner did I post …. and there your thoughts were too…. both of yours. Great Minds think alike!

    LOL no doubt. I always say that you have to have a license to catch a fish in Florida, but anyone with a (functioning) uterus or testes can have a baby. Makes no sense at all.

  • Stella

    This one just gets more confusing with each post. So she changed her myspace; now she’s current on myspace but in jail for murder x2, which I still don’t understand.

    Who is running her current myspace? (And on her old myspace, who in the hell taught these kids how to spell?) So was she in a “relationship” or not? Who actually saw the foaming and blood around her mouth? Does this happen when you smother someone? Could she have had a seizure? I know that sometimes happens during a seizure. (Maybe mom freaked out and covered her face?) Was there anyone else there who witnessed this?

    Much trash-talking on myspace #1; very childish behavior while she’s trying to raise a child herself. Doesn’t sound like she had much support like Cheeky did. Only judging from the myspace #1, she was running with a sort of rough crowd. So very sad.

    I have never heard of having a child put their hand over their mouths so they could scream out their tantrum or whatever. But we rarely had loud arguments and no spanking for punishment.

    My mom was a chronic face slapper and I vowed to NEVER, EVER do that. Probably the worst physical thing I did was grab their arm to pull them back because I wasn’t through with my “lecture.” When they were younger, we just had to use “that voice” if you know what I mean. If they misbehaved in public, we just left. That simple. Even for a 3 y.o.

    But then, we weren’t in or out drinking/etc. The children came first in our house. They learned by example.

    It’s so sad, every single one of these mothers. I hope this one is different.

  • Stella

    This one just gets more confusing with each post. So she changed her myspace; now she’s current on myspace but in jail for murder x2, which I still don’t understand.

    Who is running her current myspace? (And on her old myspace, who in the hell taught these kids how to spell?) So was she in a “relationship” or not? Who actually saw the foaming and blood around her mouth? Does this happen when you smother someone? Could she have had a seizure? I know that sometimes happens during a seizure. (Maybe mom freaked out and covered her face?) Was there anyone else there who witnessed this?

    Much trash-talking on myspace #1; very childish behavior while she’s trying to raise a child herself. Doesn’t sound like she had much support like Cheeky did. Only judging from the myspace #1, she was running with a sort of rough crowd. So very sad.

    I have never heard of having a child put their hand over their mouths so they could scream out their tantrum or whatever. But we rarely had loud arguments and no spanking for punishment.

    My mom was a chronic face slapper and I vowed to NEVER, EVER do that. Probably the worst physical thing I did was grab their arm to pull them back because I wasn’t through with my “lecture.” When they were younger, we just had to use “that voice” if you know what I mean. If they misbehaved in public, we just left. That simple. Even for a 3 y.o.

    But then, we weren’t in or out drinking/etc. The children came first in our house. They learned by example.

    It’s so sad, every single one of these mothers. I hope this one is different.

  • Stella

    This one just gets more confusing with each post. So she changed her myspace; now she’s current on myspace but in jail for murder x2, which I still don’t understand.

    Who is running her current myspace? (And on her old myspace, who in the hell taught these kids how to spell?) So was she in a “relationship” or not? Who actually saw the foaming and blood around her mouth? Does this happen when you smother someone? Could she have had a seizure? I know that sometimes happens during a seizure. (Maybe mom freaked out and covered her face?) Was there anyone else there who witnessed this?

    Much trash-talking on myspace #1; very childish behavior while she’s trying to raise a child herself. Doesn’t sound like she had much support like Cheeky did. Only judging from the myspace #1, she was running with a sort of rough crowd. So very sad.

    I have never heard of having a child put their hand over their mouths so they could scream out their tantrum or whatever. But we rarely had loud arguments and no spanking for punishment.

    My mom was a chronic face slapper and I vowed to NEVER, EVER do that. Probably the worst physical thing I did was grab their arm to pull them back because I wasn’t through with my “lecture.” When they were younger, we just had to use “that voice” if you know what I mean. If they misbehaved in public, we just left. That simple. Even for a 3 y.o.

    But then, we weren’t in or out drinking/etc. The children came first in our house. They learned by example.

    It’s so sad, every single one of these mothers. I hope this one is different.

  • Anonymous

    LOL no doubt. I always say that you have to have a license to catch a fish in Florida, but anyone with a (functioning) uterus or testes can have a baby. Makes no sense at all.

    Well, I’m not for THAT level of government involvement…I don’t want to live in a society where someone or other gets to decide about other people’s reproductive capacities one way or another (Nazis…) but I sure am all for society taking care of its children. “It takes a village,” etc. We worry about the cost in the short term, just like you pointed out, Cheeky, but like you also pointed out it costs us more in the long run not to…economically as well as in other ways… (Cheeky, I don’t know that small government would ever work in a capitalist society. If the government doesn’t regulate Wall Street, gee, look what happens to Wall Street…)

    Stella, good for you for not passing on the face-slaps. I’m always shocked by how many people in the US still think it’s fine to give their kid “a whuppin” (many of the people who think this do tend to pronounce it that way). Why would it be okay to do that to a tiny defenseless person for whose safety you are responsible, when doing it to another grown-up will land you in jail? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

    Also, Stella, dneilz myspace friended Karrae and maybe she’ll be able to get some info…

  • Anonymous

    LOL no doubt. I always say that you have to have a license to catch a fish in Florida, but anyone with a (functioning) uterus or testes can have a baby. Makes no sense at all.

    Well, I’m not for THAT level of government involvement…I don’t want to live in a society where someone or other gets to decide about other people’s reproductive capacities one way or another (Nazis…) but I sure am all for society taking care of its children. “It takes a village,” etc. We worry about the cost in the short term, just like you pointed out, Cheeky, but like you also pointed out it costs us more in the long run not to…economically as well as in other ways… (Cheeky, I don’t know that small government would ever work in a capitalist society. If the government doesn’t regulate Wall Street, gee, look what happens to Wall Street…)

    Stella, good for you for not passing on the face-slaps. I’m always shocked by how many people in the US still think it’s fine to give their kid “a whuppin” (many of the people who think this do tend to pronounce it that way). Why would it be okay to do that to a tiny defenseless person for whose safety you are responsible, when doing it to another grown-up will land you in jail? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

    Also, Stella, dneilz myspace friended Karrae and maybe she’ll be able to get some info…

  • sugarglider

    LOL no doubt. I always say that you have to have a license to catch a fish in Florida, but anyone with a (functioning) uterus or testes can have a baby. Makes no sense at all.

    Well, I’m not for THAT level of government involvement…I don’t want to live in a society where someone or other gets to decide about other people’s reproductive capacities one way or another (Nazis…) but I sure am all for society taking care of its children. “It takes a village,” etc. We worry about the cost in the short term, just like you pointed out, Cheeky, but like you also pointed out it costs us more in the long run not to…economically as well as in other ways… (Cheeky, I don’t know that small government would ever work in a capitalist society. If the government doesn’t regulate Wall Street, gee, look what happens to Wall Street…)

    Stella, good for you for not passing on the face-slaps. I’m always shocked by how many people in the US still think it’s fine to give their kid “a whuppin” (many of the people who think this do tend to pronounce it that way). Why would it be okay to do that to a tiny defenseless person for whose safety you are responsible, when doing it to another grown-up will land you in jail? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

    Also, Stella, dneilz myspace friended Karrae and maybe she’ll be able to get some info…

  • porcelain

    I personally believe that birth control pills should be available OTC,condoms should be free for everybody,everywhere and not just at a clinic.
    Plan B should also be available OTC.

    I know that will probably never happen because some would consider them dangerous but IMO alcohol and cigarettes are more harmful and are sold OTC.they can give an informational pamplet with them explaining the dangers,usage etc.

    The reality is that most teens cant always get to a clinic or are afraid of getting caught especially those in rural areas.If they can pop into walgreens or wherever and spend 15 bucks a month and get some good reliable birth control with no hassle there wouldn’t be a problem.

    many people complain about abortion, usually right wing conservatives who happen to be male and have no idea what it’s like being scared and pregnant but the reality is all those “pro life” people are not going to help you raise the baby. They can hold up their signs with dead babies on them all live long day and call you a monster but at the end of the day they get to go home and do not have to take care of your baby.
    If you do decide to adopt out this isn’t like the 60′s and 70′s where you go off to a pregnancy school.No,you are pregnant and everybody knows it therefore, if you choose to adopt your baby out you are stigmatized for it.
    I know all this because I used to work in a clinic.
    All most teen moms get to look forward to is becoming part of the system and going on WIC or state aide.
    Once the baby is born it’s hard for these women to work and/or go to school..childcare is through the fucking roof!
    You work just to have a sitter for your child basically.
    Some cities have child care programs for these women some do not.
    So most teen moms end up not working and staying home with baby.

    Making effective means of birth control like the pill OTC would not only decrease abortion rates DRASTICALLY it would also lower EVERYBODY’S TAXES because there would be less welfare moms.
    It’s a win win if you ask me.
    There would be less stories of teen mom’s hurting their kids ,less crack babies be born..
    But it will never come to fruition due to ignorance..that and the fact it would benefit WOMEN.That’s the key word here”WOMEN”

    another poster was saying how viagra is covered by insurance and birth control and mammograms are not.I agree it’s utter bullshit.
    “it’s a man’s world” and I for one am just plain sick of it.Anyone who diagrees should just pull their head out of their ass and look around.
    Every day all over the world women since the beginning of time have had less rights than their male counterparts.Abortion is illegal and punishable by death in some countries and women are forced to go to inexperienced non medical professionals to have one done this usually occurs in some run down hotel room in vans etc.some die from hemorrhaging or infections.Shit it was awfully long ago that the same happened here in the good old USof A many women died and some tried to perform them on themselves with coat hangers,over dose of drugs etc.
    Since the beginning of time women have been seeking birth control in biblical era women used to use hollowed out lemons as a diaphram.

    Instead of making good,safe, reliable OTC birth control available to women or finding a cure for breast cancer.
    Pharmaceutical companies are busy making magical penis potions so every man can have a fucking hard on..because that after all is oh so important. A LOT OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE OVER THE COUNTER TOO!…how convenient.

  • porcelain

    I personally believe that birth control pills should be available OTC,condoms should be free for everybody,everywhere and not just at a clinic.
    Plan B should also be available OTC.

    I know that will probably never happen because some would consider them dangerous but IMO alcohol and cigarettes are more harmful and are sold OTC.they can give an informational pamplet with them explaining the dangers,usage etc.

    The reality is that most teens cant always get to a clinic or are afraid of getting caught especially those in rural areas.If they can pop into walgreens or wherever and spend 15 bucks a month and get some good reliable birth control with no hassle there wouldn’t be a problem.

    many people complain about abortion, usually right wing conservatives who happen to be male and have no idea what it’s like being scared and pregnant but the reality is all those “pro life” people are not going to help you raise the baby. They can hold up their signs with dead babies on them all live long day and call you a monster but at the end of the day they get to go home and do not have to take care of your baby.
    If you do decide to adopt out this isn’t like the 60′s and 70′s where you go off to a pregnancy school.No,you are pregnant and everybody knows it therefore, if you choose to adopt your baby out you are stigmatized for it.
    I know all this because I used to work in a clinic.
    All most teen moms get to look forward to is becoming part of the system and going on WIC or state aide.
    Once the baby is born it’s hard for these women to work and/or go to school..childcare is through the fucking roof!
    You work just to have a sitter for your child basically.
    Some cities have child care programs for these women some do not.
    So most teen moms end up not working and staying home with baby.

    Making effective means of birth control like the pill OTC would not only decrease abortion rates DRASTICALLY it would also lower EVERYBODY’S TAXES because there would be less welfare moms.
    It’s a win win if you ask me.
    There would be less stories of teen mom’s hurting their kids ,less crack babies be born..
    But it will never come to fruition due to ignorance..that and the fact it would benefit WOMEN.That’s the key word here”WOMEN”

    another poster was saying how viagra is covered by insurance and birth control and mammograms are not.I agree it’s utter bullshit.
    “it’s a man’s world” and I for one am just plain sick of it.Anyone who diagrees should just pull their head out of their ass and look around.
    Every day all over the world women since the beginning of time have had less rights than their male counterparts.Abortion is illegal and punishable by death in some countries and women are forced to go to inexperienced non medical professionals to have one done this usually occurs in some run down hotel room in vans etc.some die from hemorrhaging or infections.Shit it was awfully long ago that the same happened here in the good old USof A many women died and some tried to perform them on themselves with coat hangers,over dose of drugs etc.
    Since the beginning of time women have been seeking birth control in biblical era women used to use hollowed out lemons as a diaphram.

    Instead of making good,safe, reliable OTC birth control available to women or finding a cure for breast cancer.
    Pharmaceutical companies are busy making magical penis potions so every man can have a fucking hard on..because that after all is oh so important. A LOT OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE OVER THE COUNTER TOO!…how convenient.

  • porcelain

    I personally believe that birth control pills should be available OTC,condoms should be free for everybody,everywhere and not just at a clinic.
    Plan B should also be available OTC.

    I know that will probably never happen because some would consider them dangerous but IMO alcohol and cigarettes are more harmful and are sold OTC.they can give an informational pamplet with them explaining the dangers,usage etc.

    The reality is that most teens cant always get to a clinic or are afraid of getting caught especially those in rural areas.If they can pop into walgreens or wherever and spend 15 bucks a month and get some good reliable birth control with no hassle there wouldn’t be a problem.

    many people complain about abortion, usually right wing conservatives who happen to be male and have no idea what it’s like being scared and pregnant but the reality is all those “pro life” people are not going to help you raise the baby. They can hold up their signs with dead babies on them all live long day and call you a monster but at the end of the day they get to go home and do not have to take care of your baby.
    If you do decide to adopt out this isn’t like the 60′s and 70′s where you go off to a pregnancy school.No,you are pregnant and everybody knows it therefore, if you choose to adopt your baby out you are stigmatized for it.
    I know all this because I used to work in a clinic.
    All most teen moms get to look forward to is becoming part of the system and going on WIC or state aide.
    Once the baby is born it’s hard for these women to work and/or go to school..childcare is through the fucking roof!
    You work just to have a sitter for your child basically.
    Some cities have child care programs for these women some do not.
    So most teen moms end up not working and staying home with baby.

    Making effective means of birth control like the pill OTC would not only decrease abortion rates DRASTICALLY it would also lower EVERYBODY’S TAXES because there would be less welfare moms.
    It’s a win win if you ask me.
    There would be less stories of teen mom’s hurting their kids ,less crack babies be born..
    But it will never come to fruition due to ignorance..that and the fact it would benefit WOMEN.That’s the key word here”WOMEN”

    another poster was saying how viagra is covered by insurance and birth control and mammograms are not.I agree it’s utter bullshit.
    “it’s a man’s world” and I for one am just plain sick of it.Anyone who diagrees should just pull their head out of their ass and look around.
    Every day all over the world women since the beginning of time have had less rights than their male counterparts.Abortion is illegal and punishable by death in some countries and women are forced to go to inexperienced non medical professionals to have one done this usually occurs in some run down hotel room in vans etc.some die from hemorrhaging or infections.Shit it was awfully long ago that the same happened here in the good old USof A many women died and some tried to perform them on themselves with coat hangers,over dose of drugs etc.
    Since the beginning of time women have been seeking birth control in biblical era women used to use hollowed out lemons as a diaphram.

    Instead of making good,safe, reliable OTC birth control available to women or finding a cure for breast cancer.
    Pharmaceutical companies are busy making magical penis potions so every man can have a fucking hard on..because that after all is oh so important. A LOT OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE OVER THE COUNTER TOO!…how convenient.

  • Anonymous

    I’m with porcelain. When people have babies they aren’t prepared to care for, the results are often disastrous. Poor little Bianca. I wonder if miss drunky drunk murderess even remembers doing it.

  • Anonymous

    I’m with porcelain. When people have babies they aren’t prepared to care for, the results are often disastrous. Poor little Bianca. I wonder if miss drunky drunk murderess even remembers doing it.

  • sugarglider

    I’m with porcelain. When people have babies they aren’t prepared to care for, the results are often disastrous. Poor little Bianca. I wonder if miss drunky drunk murderess even remembers doing it.

  • caitlin_1991

    shut up all of you.. you don’t know karrae. you don’t know how karrae treated bianca. and you don’t know how much karrae cared about bianca. if any of you did know, you wouldn’t be saying any of these terrible things about her. and to start: karrae got pregnant at 14 because she was raped, she wasn’t the slutty kid that you guys are trying to say she was. yeah, she had a temper and she had alot of relationship issues and yes, she was questioning her sexuality, but karrae would NEVER do this to bianca. bianca was her world.. she’d do anything for that baby. karrae spoiled bianca so much.. i think she owned every dora the explorer toy ever made. if karrae left the room even for a second bianca would start crying or go follow her. i don’t have the time to disagree with everyone’s comments but i just wish you all would keep your opinions to yourself until the trial’s over. because unlike all of you, i know karrae, and i know that she would NEVER hurt baby bonka.

    and ALSO it’s not karrae signing into her myspace. do you guys seriously think that they allow access to myspace in jail? have some common sense. v.v

  • caitlin_1991

    shut up all of you.. you don’t know karrae. you don’t know how karrae treated bianca. and you don’t know how much karrae cared about bianca. if any of you did know, you wouldn’t be saying any of these terrible things about her. and to start: karrae got pregnant at 14 because she was raped, she wasn’t the slutty kid that you guys are trying to say she was. yeah, she had a temper and she had alot of relationship issues and yes, she was questioning her sexuality, but karrae would NEVER do this to bianca. bianca was her world.. she’d do anything for that baby. karrae spoiled bianca so much.. i think she owned every dora the explorer toy ever made. if karrae left the room even for a second bianca would start crying or go follow her. i don’t have the time to disagree with everyone’s comments but i just wish you all would keep your opinions to yourself until the trial’s over. because unlike all of you, i know karrae, and i know that she would NEVER hurt baby bonka.

    and ALSO it’s not karrae signing into her myspace. do you guys seriously think that they allow access to myspace in jail? have some common sense. v.v

  • caitlin_1991

    shut up all of you.. you don’t know karrae. you don’t know how karrae treated bianca. and you don’t know how much karrae cared about bianca. if any of you did know, you wouldn’t be saying any of these terrible things about her. and to start: karrae got pregnant at 14 because she was raped, she wasn’t the slutty kid that you guys are trying to say she was. yeah, she had a temper and she had alot of relationship issues and yes, she was questioning her sexuality, but karrae would NEVER do this to bianca. bianca was her world.. she’d do anything for that baby. karrae spoiled bianca so much.. i think she owned every dora the explorer toy ever made. if karrae left the room even for a second bianca would start crying or go follow her. i don’t have the time to disagree with everyone’s comments but i just wish you all would keep your opinions to yourself until the trial’s over. because unlike all of you, i know karrae, and i know that she would NEVER hurt baby bonka.

    and ALSO it’s not karrae signing into her myspace. do you guys seriously think that they allow access to myspace in jail? have some common sense. v.v

  • Anonymous

    you don’t know how karrae treated bianca. and you don’t know how much karrae cared about bianca. if any of you did know, you wouldn’t be saying any of these terrible things about her. and to start: karrae got pregnant at 14 because she was raped, she wasn’t the slutty kid that you guys are trying to say she was.

    I have no doubt she did love Bianca. Personally, I said she was probably drunk as hell and did something she probably very much regrets.

    I can well believe that she was raped at 14. And I’m sorry about that. Karrae’s story is very sad. Rape, then having a child while still a child herself, and now this.

    I’m not a fan of children having children. What 14 year old child–even one with a great support system–is prepared emotionally or economically to care for a child of their own? But that’s beside the point–except for the fact that now Bianca is dead.

    As for sluttiness, no one on here cares about sluttiness. At least, I don’t. I could care less who has sex with who.

    yes, she was questioning her sexuality,

    fine with me!

    but karrae would NEVER do this to bianca. bianca was her world.. she’d do anything for that baby. karrae spoiled bianca so much..

    I am sure she loved her baby. I don’t question that for a second. Do I think it’s likely she got drunk as hell and did something she greatly regrets? Yes. I think that’s horribly tragic, but it’s what it looks like.

    i just wish you all would keep your opinions to yourself until the trial’s over. because unlike all of you, i know karrae, and i know that she would NEVER hurt baby bonka.

    Well, we are not going to keep our opinions to ourselves. And I bet she wouldn’t hurt Bianca in an intentional and sober state. I’m sure she’s DEVASTATED that her baby girl is dead. Doesn’t mean she didn’t do it. But can you enlighten us, then? What else could have happened? We are not uncaring people. If someone else killed Bianca, we would all love for that person to be brought to justice. Can you tell us what you personally think might have occurred?

  • Anonymous

    you don’t know how karrae treated bianca. and you don’t know how much karrae cared about bianca. if any of you did know, you wouldn’t be saying any of these terrible things about her. and to start: karrae got pregnant at 14 because she was raped, she wasn’t the slutty kid that you guys are trying to say she was.

    I have no doubt she did love Bianca. Personally, I said she was probably drunk as hell and did something she probably very much regrets.

    I can well believe that she was raped at 14. And I’m sorry about that. Karrae’s story is very sad. Rape, then having a child while still a child herself, and now this.

    I’m not a fan of children having children. What 14 year old child–even one with a great support system–is prepared emotionally or economically to care for a child of their own? But that’s beside the point–except for the fact that now Bianca is dead.

    As for sluttiness, no one on here cares about sluttiness. At least, I don’t. I could care less who has sex with who.

    yes, she was questioning her sexuality,

    fine with me!

    but karrae would NEVER do this to bianca. bianca was her world.. she’d do anything for that baby. karrae spoiled bianca so much..

    I am sure she loved her baby. I don’t question that for a second. Do I think it’s likely she got drunk as hell and did something she greatly regrets? Yes. I think that’s horribly tragic, but it’s what it looks like.

    i just wish you all would keep your opinions to yourself until the trial’s over. because unlike all of you, i know karrae, and i know that she would NEVER hurt baby bonka.

    Well, we are not going to keep our opinions to ourselves. And I bet she wouldn’t hurt Bianca in an intentional and sober state. I’m sure she’s DEVASTATED that her baby girl is dead. Doesn’t mean she didn’t do it. But can you enlighten us, then? What else could have happened? We are not uncaring people. If someone else killed Bianca, we would all love for that person to be brought to justice. Can you tell us what you personally think might have occurred?

  • sugarglider

    you don’t know how karrae treated bianca. and you don’t know how much karrae cared about bianca. if any of you did know, you wouldn’t be saying any of these terrible things about her. and to start: karrae got pregnant at 14 because she was raped, she wasn’t the slutty kid that you guys are trying to say she was.

    I have no doubt she did love Bianca. Personally, I said she was probably drunk as hell and did something she probably very much regrets.

    I can well believe that she was raped at 14. And I’m sorry about that. Karrae’s story is very sad. Rape, then having a child while still a child herself, and now this.

    I’m not a fan of children having children. What 14 year old child–even one with a great support system–is prepared emotionally or economically to care for a child of their own? But that’s beside the point–except for the fact that now Bianca is dead.

    As for sluttiness, no one on here cares about sluttiness. At least, I don’t. I could care less who has sex with who.

    yes, she was questioning her sexuality,

    fine with me!

    but karrae would NEVER do this to bianca. bianca was her world.. she’d do anything for that baby. karrae spoiled bianca so much..

    I am sure she loved her baby. I don’t question that for a second. Do I think it’s likely she got drunk as hell and did something she greatly regrets? Yes. I think that’s horribly tragic, but it’s what it looks like.

    i just wish you all would keep your opinions to yourself until the trial’s over. because unlike all of you, i know karrae, and i know that she would NEVER hurt baby bonka.

    Well, we are not going to keep our opinions to ourselves. And I bet she wouldn’t hurt Bianca in an intentional and sober state. I’m sure she’s DEVASTATED that her baby girl is dead. Doesn’t mean she didn’t do it. But can you enlighten us, then? What else could have happened? We are not uncaring people. If someone else killed Bianca, we would all love for that person to be brought to justice. Can you tell us what you personally think might have occurred?

  • caitlin_1991

    i don’t think bianca was killed by anyone. i think this was all just a terrible accident. karrae says that bianca gave her a look that she’d never see before and that her nose started to bleed and that she started foaming from the mouth and her eyes rolled back into her head and that she tried to resesitate her but couldn’t. bianca’s had seizures in the past.. i don’t know why the media is leaving that part out.

  • caitlin_1991

    i don’t think bianca was killed by anyone. i think this was all just a terrible accident. karrae says that bianca gave her a look that she’d never see before and that her nose started to bleed and that she started foaming from the mouth and her eyes rolled back into her head and that she tried to resesitate her but couldn’t. bianca’s had seizures in the past.. i don’t know why the media is leaving that part out.

  • caitlin_1991

    i don’t think bianca was killed by anyone. i think this was all just a terrible accident. karrae says that bianca gave her a look that she’d never see before and that her nose started to bleed and that she started foaming from the mouth and her eyes rolled back into her head and that she tried to resesitate her but couldn’t. bianca’s had seizures in the past.. i don’t know why the media is leaving that part out.

  • sugarglider

    i don’t think bianca was killed by anyone. i think this was all just a terrible accident. karrae says that bianca gave her a look that she’d never see before and that her nose started to bleed and that she started foaming from the mouth and her eyes rolled back into her head and that she tried to resesitate her but couldn’t. bianca’s had seizures in the past.. i don’t know why the media is leaving that part out.

    Caitlin, seizures? That’s very possible. So does Karrae say she was present at the time of the seizure? You make it sound like she was looking at Bianca when this happened. What happened? Does she say she was just standing there looking at Bianca and then Bianca started seizing?

  • Anonymous

    i don’t think bianca was killed by anyone. i think this was all just a terrible accident. karrae says that bianca gave her a look that she’d never see before and that her nose started to bleed and that she started foaming from the mouth and her eyes rolled back into her head and that she tried to resesitate her but couldn’t. bianca’s had seizures in the past.. i don’t know why the media is leaving that part out.

    Caitlin, seizures? That’s very possible. So does Karrae say she was present at the time of the seizure? You make it sound like she was looking at Bianca when this happened. What happened? Does she say she was just standing there looking at Bianca and then Bianca started seizing?

  • Anonymous

    i don’t think bianca was killed by anyone. i think this was all just a terrible accident. karrae says that bianca gave her a look that she’d never see before and that her nose started to bleed and that she started foaming from the mouth and her eyes rolled back into her head and that she tried to resesitate her but couldn’t. bianca’s had seizures in the past.. i don’t know why the media is leaving that part out.

    Caitlin, seizures? That’s very possible. So does Karrae say she was present at the time of the seizure? You make it sound like she was looking at Bianca when this happened. What happened? Does she say she was just standing there looking at Bianca and then Bianca started seizing?

  • Anonymous

    Also, Caitlin, why do you think was she arrested and charged with the 2 counts? Do you think they were just demonizing her, maybe b/c she’d been drinking and they assumed the worst? And does she have a lawyer (not just a court-appointed one)? If she didn’t do it, it should be possible to get medical testimony to show, along with the autopsy, that she didn’t die from being asphyxiated by a hand over her face.

  • Anonymous

    Also, Caitlin, why do you think was she arrested and charged with the 2 counts? Do you think they were just demonizing her, maybe b/c she’d been drinking and they assumed the worst? And does she have a lawyer (not just a court-appointed one)? If she didn’t do it, it should be possible to get medical testimony to show, along with the autopsy, that she didn’t die from being asphyxiated by a hand over her face.

  • sugarglider

    Also, Caitlin, why do you think was she arrested and charged with the 2 counts? Do you think they were just demonizing her, maybe b/c she’d been drinking and they assumed the worst? And does she have a lawyer (not just a court-appointed one)? If she didn’t do it, it should be possible to get medical testimony to show, along with the autopsy, that she didn’t die from being asphyxiated by a hand over her face.

  • caitlin_1991

    she said that she had just put bianca in bed and she started to close the bedroom door but she saw bianca’s expression and saw the blood and foam and tried to keep her alive but couldn’t. when the police got there karrae was really hysterical and she was saying that she was going to kill herself because she had no reason left to live. karrae was blaming herself for bianca’s death.. and still is because she couldn’t keep bianca alive. she was appointed a lawyer because she couldn’t afford to get her own and the police aren’t yet done with their investigation.. but i really hope that they get done soon.. because it hurts so bad to hear all these things about karrae that aren’t true from people that don’t know her.

  • caitlin_1991

    she said that she had just put bianca in bed and she started to close the bedroom door but she saw bianca’s expression and saw the blood and foam and tried to keep her alive but couldn’t. when the police got there karrae was really hysterical and she was saying that she was going to kill herself because she had no reason left to live. karrae was blaming herself for bianca’s death.. and still is because she couldn’t keep bianca alive. she was appointed a lawyer because she couldn’t afford to get her own and the police aren’t yet done with their investigation.. but i really hope that they get done soon.. because it hurts so bad to hear all these things about karrae that aren’t true from people that don’t know her.

  • caitlin_1991

    she said that she had just put bianca in bed and she started to close the bedroom door but she saw bianca’s expression and saw the blood and foam and tried to keep her alive but couldn’t. when the police got there karrae was really hysterical and she was saying that she was going to kill herself because she had no reason left to live. karrae was blaming herself for bianca’s death.. and still is because she couldn’t keep bianca alive. she was appointed a lawyer because she couldn’t afford to get her own and the police aren’t yet done with their investigation.. but i really hope that they get done soon.. because it hurts so bad to hear all these things about karrae that aren’t true from people that don’t know her.

  • Anonymous

    Caitlin, she needs to try to get a good lawyer who will work for her pro bono. A court-appointed lawyer is going to ber overworked and isn’t going to do the best job. You are obviously a caring friend. Maybe you could help her with this? She is going to need a fighter of a lawyer. She has done a lot to try and make a good life for herself and for Caitlin, and she needs a good lawyer to capitalize on that fact. With her age, past, and the drinking, and the testimony of the neighbor that Bianca looked depressed, it looks bad and she needs a fighter. Now, that neighbor’s testimony really means nothing–a kid can look completely devastated over nothing at all–but that is the kind of thing a prosecutor will run with. She is going to get bulldozed unless she has decent representation. She needs it. If she didn’t do this, it’s a horrible tragedy and it’ll be a worse tragedy when she goes to prison for something she didn’t do. I’m not sure how one finds a pro bono lawyer, but in every big corporate law firm the lawyers do some pro bono work. Maybe just start by calling around to the big firms. This case is exactly the sort of case that an ambitious attorney would want to take up.

    Sad, sad, sad. Take care–and I hope you’re right about all this. If you can be a good friend to her right now and help her get a GOOD lawyer, it can make all the difference to the rest of her life.

  • Anonymous

    Caitlin, she needs to try to get a good lawyer who will work for her pro bono. A court-appointed lawyer is going to ber overworked and isn’t going to do the best job. You are obviously a caring friend. Maybe you could help her with this? She is going to need a fighter of a lawyer. She has done a lot to try and make a good life for herself and for Caitlin, and she needs a good lawyer to capitalize on that fact. With her age, past, and the drinking, and the testimony of the neighbor that Bianca looked depressed, it looks bad and she needs a fighter. Now, that neighbor’s testimony really means nothing–a kid can look completely devastated over nothing at all–but that is the kind of thing a prosecutor will run with. She is going to get bulldozed unless she has decent representation. She needs it. If she didn’t do this, it’s a horrible tragedy and it’ll be a worse tragedy when she goes to prison for something she didn’t do. I’m not sure how one finds a pro bono lawyer, but in every big corporate law firm the lawyers do some pro bono work. Maybe just start by calling around to the big firms. This case is exactly the sort of case that an ambitious attorney would want to take up.

    Sad, sad, sad. Take care–and I hope you’re right about all this. If you can be a good friend to her right now and help her get a GOOD lawyer, it can make all the difference to the rest of her life.

  • sugarglider

    Caitlin, she needs to try to get a good lawyer who will work for her pro bono. A court-appointed lawyer is going to ber overworked and isn’t going to do the best job. You are obviously a caring friend. Maybe you could help her with this? She is going to need a fighter of a lawyer. She has done a lot to try and make a good life for herself and for Caitlin, and she needs a good lawyer to capitalize on that fact. With her age, past, and the drinking, and the testimony of the neighbor that Bianca looked depressed, it looks bad and she needs a fighter. Now, that neighbor’s testimony really means nothing–a kid can look completely devastated over nothing at all–but that is the kind of thing a prosecutor will run with. She is going to get bulldozed unless she has decent representation. She needs it. If she didn’t do this, it’s a horrible tragedy and it’ll be a worse tragedy when she goes to prison for something she didn’t do. I’m not sure how one finds a pro bono lawyer, but in every big corporate law firm the lawyers do some pro bono work. Maybe just start by calling around to the big firms. This case is exactly the sort of case that an ambitious attorney would want to take up.

    Sad, sad, sad. Take care–and I hope you’re right about all this. If you can be a good friend to her right now and help her get a GOOD lawyer, it can make all the difference to the rest of her life.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Sad, sad, sad. Take care–and I hope you’re right about all this. If you can be a good friend to her right now and help her get a GOOD lawyer, it can make all the difference to the rest of her life.

    I agree… she needs a good lawyer. I hope the autopsy coincides w/ her description. I have visited her web site and it rather noticeable how much she loved her daughter.

    We hope the truth is found. God bless beautiful baby Bianca!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Sad, sad, sad. Take care–and I hope you’re right about all this. If you can be a good friend to her right now and help her get a GOOD lawyer, it can make all the difference to the rest of her life.

    I agree… she needs a good lawyer. I hope the autopsy coincides w/ her description. I have visited her web site and it rather noticeable how much she loved her daughter.

    We hope the truth is found. God bless beautiful baby Bianca!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Sad, sad, sad. Take care–and I hope you’re right about all this. If you can be a good friend to her right now and help her get a GOOD lawyer, it can make all the difference to the rest of her life.

    I agree… she needs a good lawyer. I hope the autopsy coincides w/ her description. I have visited her web site and it rather noticeable how much she loved her daughter.

    We hope the truth is found. God bless beautiful baby Bianca!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    For the record… I said that the myspace account had been logged into (and I have been defending your friend..so you shouldn’t be so hateful…a LOT of people have)….and that I wondered who had been logging in. In fact, some people do get out on bail. Cut the bull shit, put down your defenses… you aren’t helping your friend by coming on here with guns in both hands…. if you had read the comments, you would see that MOST of the people commenting are people who have NOT made judgment upon your friend.

    Chill out sweets… a lot of people here are good, intelligent people. :)

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    For the record… I said that the myspace account had been logged into (and I have been defending your friend..so you shouldn’t be so hateful…a LOT of people have)….and that I wondered who had been logging in. In fact, some people do get out on bail. Cut the bull shit, put down your defenses… you aren’t helping your friend by coming on here with guns in both hands…. if you had read the comments, you would see that MOST of the people commenting are people who have NOT made judgment upon your friend.

    Chill out sweets… a lot of people here are good, intelligent people. :)

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    For the record… I said that the myspace account had been logged into (and I have been defending your friend..so you shouldn’t be so hateful…a LOT of people have)….and that I wondered who had been logging in. In fact, some people do get out on bail. Cut the bull shit, put down your defenses… you aren’t helping your friend by coming on here with guns in both hands…. if you had read the comments, you would see that MOST of the people commenting are people who have NOT made judgment upon your friend.

    Chill out sweets… a lot of people here are good, intelligent people. :)

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Well, I’m not for THAT level of government involvement…I don’t want to live in a society where someone or other gets to decide about other people’s reproductive capacities one way or another (Nazis…) but I sure am all for society taking care of its children. “It takes a village,” etc. We worry about the cost in the short term, just like you pointed out, Cheeky, but like you also pointed out it costs us more in the long run not to…economically as well as in other ways… (Cheeky, I don’t know that small government would ever work in a capitalist society. If the government doesn’t regulate Wall Street, gee, look what happens to Wall Street…)

    I’m not to page three yet, but I wanted to respond to this-I didn’t mean to imply I wanted parents licensed; I just meant that people that are far too little prepared are becoming parents, and that’s its so easy to do that people who are not capable of being, (or willing to be), good parents are having babies. It’s ironic that an act of irresponsibility leads to the biggest responsibility most of us will ever know.

    (This is just in general-not specifically referring to Karrae.)

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    Well, I’m not for THAT level of government involvement…I don’t want to live in a society where someone or other gets to decide about other people’s reproductive capacities one way or another (Nazis…) but I sure am all for society taking care of its children. “It takes a village,” etc. We worry about the cost in the short term, just like you pointed out, Cheeky, but like you also pointed out it costs us more in the long run not to…economically as well as in other ways… (Cheeky, I don’t know that small government would ever work in a capitalist society. If the government doesn’t regulate Wall Street, gee, look what happens to Wall Street…)

    I’m not to page three yet, but I wanted to respond to this-I didn’t mean to imply I wanted parents licensed; I just meant that people that are far too little prepared are becoming parents, and that’s its so easy to do that people who are not capable of being, (or willing to be), good parents are having babies. It’s ironic that an act of irresponsibility leads to the biggest responsibility most of us will ever know.

    (This is just in general-not specifically referring to Karrae.)

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com CheekySweetie

    Well, I’m not for THAT level of government involvement…I don’t want to live in a society where someone or other gets to decide about other people’s reproductive capacities one way or another (Nazis…) but I sure am all for society taking care of its children. “It takes a village,” etc. We worry about the cost in the short term, just like you pointed out, Cheeky, but like you also pointed out it costs us more in the long run not to…economically as well as in other ways… (Cheeky, I don’t know that small government would ever work in a capitalist society. If the government doesn’t regulate Wall Street, gee, look what happens to Wall Street…)

    I’m not to page three yet, but I wanted to respond to this-I didn’t mean to imply I wanted parents licensed; I just meant that people that are far too little prepared are becoming parents, and that’s its so easy to do that people who are not capable of being, (or willing to be), good parents are having babies. It’s ironic that an act of irresponsibility leads to the biggest responsibility most of us will ever know.

    (This is just in general-not specifically referring to Karrae.)

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    For the record… I said that the myspace account had been logged into (and I have been defending your friend..so you shouldn’t be so hateful…a LOT of people have)….and that I wondered who had been logging in. In fact, some people do get out on bail. Cut the bull shit, put down your defenses… you aren’t helping your friend by coming on here with guns in both hands…. if you had read the comments, you would see that MOST of the people commenting are people who have NOT made judgment upon your friend.

    Oh girl, we are so on the same page-when I posted my comment above I almost ended with this: “Not sure if it gets resolved on the next page yet, but very few people commenting are jumping to crucify Karrae as is usual for accused murderers and a lot more than usual are calling for reserving judgment until more info is received, so the loved one who came in should be pleased that so many don’t feel this is a cut and dried situation-remember it only takes one doubter on a jury. Of course I’m off to read the next page and I’ll probably wish I hadn’t bothered to address it anyway, lol.”

    But I decided to cut it to my clipboard and check the next page first, lol.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com/ CheekySweetie

    For the record… I said that the myspace account had been logged into (and I have been defending your friend..so you shouldn’t be so hateful…a LOT of people have)….and that I wondered who had been logging in. In fact, some people do get out on bail. Cut the bull shit, put down your defenses… you aren’t helping your friend by coming on here with guns in both hands…. if you had read the comments, you would see that MOST of the people commenting are people who have NOT made judgment upon your friend.

    Oh girl, we are so on the same page-when I posted my comment above I almost ended with this: “Not sure if it gets resolved on the next page yet, but very few people commenting are jumping to crucify Karrae as is usual for accused murderers and a lot more than usual are calling for reserving judgment until more info is received, so the loved one who came in should be pleased that so many don’t feel this is a cut and dried situation-remember it only takes one doubter on a jury. Of course I’m off to read the next page and I’ll probably wish I hadn’t bothered to address it anyway, lol.”

    But I decided to cut it to my clipboard and check the next page first, lol.

  • http://www.cheekysweetie.com CheekySweetie

    For the record… I said that the myspace account had been logged into (and I have been defending your friend..so you shouldn’t be so hateful…a LOT of people have)….and that I wondered who had been logging in. In fact, some people do get out on bail. Cut the bull shit, put down your defenses… you aren’t helping your friend by coming on here with guns in both hands…. if you had read the comments, you would see that MOST of the people commenting are people who have NOT made judgment upon your friend.

    Oh girl, we are so on the same page-when I posted my comment above I almost ended with this: “Not sure if it gets resolved on the next page yet, but very few people commenting are jumping to crucify Karrae as is usual for accused murderers and a lot more than usual are calling for reserving judgment until more info is received, so the loved one who came in should be pleased that so many don’t feel this is a cut and dried situation-remember it only takes one doubter on a jury. Of course I’m off to read the next page and I’ll probably wish I hadn’t bothered to address it anyway, lol.”

    But I decided to cut it to my clipboard and check the next page first, lol.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Oh girl, we are so on the same page-when I posted my comment above I almost ended with this: “Not sure if it gets resolved on the next page yet, but very few people commenting are jumping to crucify Karrae as is usual for accused murderers and a lot more than usual are calling for reserving judgment until more info is received, so the loved one who came in should be pleased that so many don’t feel this is a cut and dried situation-remember it only takes one doubter on a jury. Of course I’m off to read the next page and I’ll probably wish I hadn’t bothered to address it anyway, lol.”

    yes… but no new information??? Geesh, I am going to see if I can find anything on this case. I have been waiting to hear more…but haven’t seen anything as of yet. :( That poor baby!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Oh girl, we are so on the same page-when I posted my comment above I almost ended with this: “Not sure if it gets resolved on the next page yet, but very few people commenting are jumping to crucify Karrae as is usual for accused murderers and a lot more than usual are calling for reserving judgment until more info is received, so the loved one who came in should be pleased that so many don’t feel this is a cut and dried situation-remember it only takes one doubter on a jury. Of course I’m off to read the next page and I’ll probably wish I hadn’t bothered to address it anyway, lol.”

    yes… but no new information??? Geesh, I am going to see if I can find anything on this case. I have been waiting to hear more…but haven’t seen anything as of yet. :( That poor baby!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Oh girl, we are so on the same page-when I posted my comment above I almost ended with this: “Not sure if it gets resolved on the next page yet, but very few people commenting are jumping to crucify Karrae as is usual for accused murderers and a lot more than usual are calling for reserving judgment until more info is received, so the loved one who came in should be pleased that so many don’t feel this is a cut and dried situation-remember it only takes one doubter on a jury. Of course I’m off to read the next page and I’ll probably wish I hadn’t bothered to address it anyway, lol.”

    yes… but no new information??? Geesh, I am going to see if I can find anything on this case. I have been waiting to hear more…but haven’t seen anything as of yet. :( That poor baby!

  • Anonymous

    Caitlin, please let us know what happens. We do jump to conclusions here more often than not–we are a cynical bunch–but if Karrae is innocent of the charges no one would want her to suffer further for the tragedy of Bianca’s death. So, thank you for checking in. I hope you’ll keep us posted.

  • Anonymous

    Caitlin, please let us know what happens. We do jump to conclusions here more often than not–we are a cynical bunch–but if Karrae is innocent of the charges no one would want her to suffer further for the tragedy of Bianca’s death. So, thank you for checking in. I hope you’ll keep us posted.

  • sugarglider

    Caitlin, please let us know what happens. We do jump to conclusions here more often than not–we are a cynical bunch–but if Karrae is innocent of the charges no one would want her to suffer further for the tragedy of Bianca’s death. So, thank you for checking in. I hope you’ll keep us posted.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

  • CassieMomma

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

    What???!!!??? Oh that’s nice, so they are threatening you and all of us.

  • CassieMomma

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

    What???!!!??? Oh that’s nice, so they are threatening you and all of us.

  • CassieMomma

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

    What???!!!??? Oh that’s nice, so they are threatening you and all of us.

  • WryBread

    When you look back in time, it was not really that long ago that folks graduated High School, got married and started their families by the time they were 18/19 but there wasn’t this baby-killing going on.

    That was when the world was filled with models of married couples who had made the commitment to their families. Now there may not be a daddy anywhere and Mommy and or Daddy expect to keep up with their partying. Babies have become an accessory that you collect as you move through YOUR you-centered life, not the end of one life and the beginning of a life of dedication and sacrifice as it used to be.

    I know I’m up on the soapbox and preaching cultural nostalgia as much as any facts, but I think there’s something to what I say. You all will have to sort it out, I am feeling too emotional. Poor little girl and all the others who are left by dumpsters, drowned, bashed, and then found “unresponsive.”

  • WryBread

    When you look back in time, it was not really that long ago that folks graduated High School, got married and started their families by the time they were 18/19 but there wasn’t this baby-killing going on.

    That was when the world was filled with models of married couples who had made the commitment to their families. Now there may not be a daddy anywhere and Mommy and or Daddy expect to keep up with their partying. Babies have become an accessory that you collect as you move through YOUR you-centered life, not the end of one life and the beginning of a life of dedication and sacrifice as it used to be.

    I know I’m up on the soapbox and preaching cultural nostalgia as much as any facts, but I think there’s something to what I say. You all will have to sort it out, I am feeling too emotional. Poor little girl and all the others who are left by dumpsters, drowned, bashed, and then found “unresponsive.”

  • WryBread

    When you look back in time, it was not really that long ago that folks graduated High School, got married and started their families by the time they were 18/19 but there wasn’t this baby-killing going on.

    That was when the world was filled with models of married couples who had made the commitment to their families. Now there may not be a daddy anywhere and Mommy and or Daddy expect to keep up with their partying. Babies have become an accessory that you collect as you move through YOUR you-centered life, not the end of one life and the beginning of a life of dedication and sacrifice as it used to be.

    I know I’m up on the soapbox and preaching cultural nostalgia as much as any facts, but I think there’s something to what I say. You all will have to sort it out, I am feeling too emotional. Poor little girl and all the others who are left by dumpsters, drowned, bashed, and then found “unresponsive.”

  • porcelain

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

    What the fork?

    “hurt someone”
    where did you see this at?

  • porcelain

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

    What the fork?

    “hurt someone”
    where did you see this at?

  • porcelain

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

    What the fork?

    “hurt someone”
    where did you see this at?

  • Anonymous

    That was when the world was filled with models of married couples who had made the commitment to their families. Now there may not be a daddy anywhere and Mommy and or Daddy expect to keep up with their partying. Babies have become an accessory that you collect as you move through YOUR you-centered life, not the end of one life and the beginning of a life of dedication and sacrifice as it used to be.

    Moralizing aside, that doesn’t sound like this girl’s story at all. She doesn’t sound like she had the kind of upbringing that would make someone into a spoiled brat. And then she made the difficult choice to have this child even though she was raped (mind you, this is not the choice I myself would have made, nor would I encourage any 14 year old to have a child, rape or no rape). She put herself through high school and was attending nursing school. That doesn’t sound like someone who refused to make sacrifices. Drinking or not, she doesn’t sound like someone who was out and about partying and leaving her child alone, or like someone who treated her child like an accessory.

  • Anonymous

    That was when the world was filled with models of married couples who had made the commitment to their families. Now there may not be a daddy anywhere and Mommy and or Daddy expect to keep up with their partying. Babies have become an accessory that you collect as you move through YOUR you-centered life, not the end of one life and the beginning of a life of dedication and sacrifice as it used to be.

    Moralizing aside, that doesn’t sound like this girl’s story at all. She doesn’t sound like she had the kind of upbringing that would make someone into a spoiled brat. And then she made the difficult choice to have this child even though she was raped (mind you, this is not the choice I myself would have made, nor would I encourage any 14 year old to have a child, rape or no rape). She put herself through high school and was attending nursing school. That doesn’t sound like someone who refused to make sacrifices. Drinking or not, she doesn’t sound like someone who was out and about partying and leaving her child alone, or like someone who treated her child like an accessory.

  • sugarglider

    That was when the world was filled with models of married couples who had made the commitment to their families. Now there may not be a daddy anywhere and Mommy and or Daddy expect to keep up with their partying. Babies have become an accessory that you collect as you move through YOUR you-centered life, not the end of one life and the beginning of a life of dedication and sacrifice as it used to be.

    Moralizing aside, that doesn’t sound like this girl’s story at all. She doesn’t sound like she had the kind of upbringing that would make someone into a spoiled brat. And then she made the difficult choice to have this child even though she was raped (mind you, this is not the choice I myself would have made, nor would I encourage any 14 year old to have a child, rape or no rape). She put herself through high school and was attending nursing school. That doesn’t sound like someone who refused to make sacrifices. Drinking or not, she doesn’t sound like someone who was out and about partying and leaving her child alone, or like someone who treated her child like an accessory.

  • Anonymous

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

    Oh, please…It was a great write-up story here on the DD, as always, but I guess did make it sound like it was an absolute fact that she killed her kid via asphyxiation. Whatever. Tough. That’s what it looked like, so…. They should get off their YouTube horse and spend their time doing something meaningful like getting a good laywer for Karrae if they’re so damn sure of her innocence. Duh :)

  • Anonymous

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

    Oh, please…It was a great write-up story here on the DD, as always, but I guess did make it sound like it was an absolute fact that she killed her kid via asphyxiation. Whatever. Tough. That’s what it looked like, so…. They should get off their YouTube horse and spend their time doing something meaningful like getting a good laywer for Karrae if they’re so damn sure of her innocence. Duh :)

  • sugarglider

    Someone claiming to be her sister contacted our Youtube channel. Started that her sister did not do this and if we didn’t stop, they were going to hurt someone.

    Oh, please…It was a great write-up story here on the DD, as always, but I guess did make it sound like it was an absolute fact that she killed her kid via asphyxiation. Whatever. Tough. That’s what it looked like, so…. They should get off their YouTube horse and spend their time doing something meaningful like getting a good laywer for Karrae if they’re so damn sure of her innocence. Duh :)

  • Anonymous

    I gotta say something else about Wry’s comment about the “married couple” model that was supposedly some kind of panacea for the woes of society.

    In loads of those model homes, there was a shitload of molestation and spousal abuse and child abuse going on. It wasn’t reported on as much, but that’s just because people felt obligated to suck it up and keep the marriage going “for the children” (biggest joke of all time), or because the wifey didn’t feel able to make it on her own financially and/or to face the condemnation of society.

    I’m thrilled those days are over. I think very different reasons are the source of woes: decrease in sex ed (“abstinence only,” lalalala), demonization of abortion, not enough support/subsidized childcare.

    That’s my opinion. LOL, we all have one :)

  • Anonymous

    I gotta say something else about Wry’s comment about the “married couple” model that was supposedly some kind of panacea for the woes of society.

    In loads of those model homes, there was a shitload of molestation and spousal abuse and child abuse going on. It wasn’t reported on as much, but that’s just because people felt obligated to suck it up and keep the marriage going “for the children” (biggest joke of all time), or because the wifey didn’t feel able to make it on her own financially and/or to face the condemnation of society.

    I’m thrilled those days are over. I think very different reasons are the source of woes: decrease in sex ed (“abstinence only,” lalalala), demonization of abortion, not enough support/subsidized childcare.

    That’s my opinion. LOL, we all have one :)

  • sugarglider

    I gotta say something else about Wry’s comment about the “married couple” model that was supposedly some kind of panacea for the woes of society.

    In loads of those model homes, there was a shitload of molestation and spousal abuse and child abuse going on. It wasn’t reported on as much, but that’s just because people felt obligated to suck it up and keep the marriage going “for the children” (biggest joke of all time), or because the wifey didn’t feel able to make it on her own financially and/or to face the condemnation of society.

    I’m thrilled those days are over. I think very different reasons are the source of woes: decrease in sex ed (“abstinence only,” lalalala), demonization of abortion, not enough support/subsidized childcare.

    That’s my opinion. LOL, we all have one :)

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    “hurt someone”
    where did you see this at?

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    “hurt someone”
    where did you see this at?

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    “hurt someone”
    where did you see this at?

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

    Dang. Well, I haven’t watched it, but if Karrae DIDN’T do it and all she has in her corner are SPAZZES, she’s sunk.

    Spazzy Sis: I understand why you’re upset, but you need to get a GRIP and start doing something significant. Not wasting your time making stupid YouTube vidoes that will just tend to support the idea that you’re a family of violent spazzes. Not trying to be uncompassionate here, but that’s my suggestion.

  • Anonymous

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

    Dang. Well, I haven’t watched it, but if Karrae DIDN’T do it and all she has in her corner are SPAZZES, she’s sunk.

    Spazzy Sis: I understand why you’re upset, but you need to get a GRIP and start doing something significant. Not wasting your time making stupid YouTube vidoes that will just tend to support the idea that you’re a family of violent spazzes. Not trying to be uncompassionate here, but that’s my suggestion.

  • sugarglider

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

    Dang. Well, I haven’t watched it, but if Karrae DIDN’T do it and all she has in her corner are SPAZZES, she’s sunk.

    Spazzy Sis: I understand why you’re upset, but you need to get a GRIP and start doing something significant. Not wasting your time making stupid YouTube vidoes that will just tend to support the idea that you’re a family of violent spazzes. Not trying to be uncompassionate here, but that’s my suggestion.

  • CassieMomma

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

    You don’t have to answer this because it’s your behind the scenes stuff, but do you do anything when someone actually sends a threatening message? Just curious ;)

  • CassieMomma

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

    You don’t have to answer this because it’s your behind the scenes stuff, but do you do anything when someone actually sends a threatening message? Just curious ;)

  • CassieMomma

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

    You don’t have to answer this because it’s your behind the scenes stuff, but do you do anything when someone actually sends a threatening message? Just curious ;)

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    You don’t have to answer this because it’s your behind the scenes stuff, but do you do anything when someone actually sends a threatening message? Just curious

    Only if I think they are serious. In this case, it is just a young person saying something stupid. I just thought it was ironic that someone would threaten violence when defending a sibling who has been accused of a violent act. Seemed counter-productive.

    And speaking of, if any of you have Youtube pages, be sure to friend us or check out our Youtube page…we get some HILARIOUS conversations over there. I mean hilarious as some of the dumbest people on the planet commenting. It’s a real sideshow.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/dreamindemon

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    You don’t have to answer this because it’s your behind the scenes stuff, but do you do anything when someone actually sends a threatening message? Just curious

    Only if I think they are serious. In this case, it is just a young person saying something stupid. I just thought it was ironic that someone would threaten violence when defending a sibling who has been accused of a violent act. Seemed counter-productive.

    And speaking of, if any of you have Youtube pages, be sure to friend us or check out our Youtube page…we get some HILARIOUS conversations over there. I mean hilarious as some of the dumbest people on the planet commenting. It’s a real sideshow.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/dreamindemon

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    You don’t have to answer this because it’s your behind the scenes stuff, but do you do anything when someone actually sends a threatening message? Just curious

    Only if I think they are serious. In this case, it is just a young person saying something stupid. I just thought it was ironic that someone would threaten violence when defending a sibling who has been accused of a violent act. Seemed counter-productive.

    And speaking of, if any of you have Youtube pages, be sure to friend us or check out our Youtube page…we get some HILARIOUS conversations over there. I mean hilarious as some of the dumbest people on the planet commenting. It’s a real sideshow.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/dreamindemon

  • CassieMomma

    Only if I think they are serious. In this case, it is just a young person saying something stupid. I just thought it was ironic that someone would threaten violence when defending a sibling who has been accused of a violent act. Seemed counter-productive.

    Yeah I agree, goes to show the wonderful character of this whole family. Thanks for answering, I am just nosy, hee hee. Also thanks for the tip on the Youtube pages, I might just have to check them out. Unfortunately it will have to wait till later though as they block me out at work, I mean they actually want us to be productive or something :)

  • CassieMomma

    Only if I think they are serious. In this case, it is just a young person saying something stupid. I just thought it was ironic that someone would threaten violence when defending a sibling who has been accused of a violent act. Seemed counter-productive.

    Yeah I agree, goes to show the wonderful character of this whole family. Thanks for answering, I am just nosy, hee hee. Also thanks for the tip on the Youtube pages, I might just have to check them out. Unfortunately it will have to wait till later though as they block me out at work, I mean they actually want us to be productive or something :)

  • CassieMomma

    Only if I think they are serious. In this case, it is just a young person saying something stupid. I just thought it was ironic that someone would threaten violence when defending a sibling who has been accused of a violent act. Seemed counter-productive.

    Yeah I agree, goes to show the wonderful character of this whole family. Thanks for answering, I am just nosy, hee hee. Also thanks for the tip on the Youtube pages, I might just have to check them out. Unfortunately it will have to wait till later though as they block me out at work, I mean they actually want us to be productive or something :)

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

    Was it a private message? I don’t see it anywhere.

    Yes… I am nosy … (cuz) … Yes.. I am bored! lol

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

    Was it a private message? I don’t see it anywhere.

    Yes… I am nosy … (cuz) … Yes.. I am bored! lol

  • Zibarro

    It’s a message sent to our Youtube channel.

    Was it a private message? I don’t see it anywhere.

    Yes… I am nosy … (cuz) … Yes.. I am bored! lol

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Was it a private message? I don’t see it anywhere./blockquote>

    Yeah, it was private. Here is the new one…that I have left completely unaltered.

    for ur info. i dont have anger unless someone messes with my fucking family and i dont give a shit so u need to watch it my sister would never do that and i think i kno who did it so please leave my sister out of this bitch

    I like how she politely asks me to leave her sister out of being charged with killing her kid, then calls me a bitch. :)

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Was it a private message? I don’t see it anywhere./blockquote>

    Yeah, it was private. Here is the new one…that I have left completely unaltered.

    for ur info. i dont have anger unless someone messes with my fucking family and i dont give a shit so u need to watch it my sister would never do that and i think i kno who did it so please leave my sister out of this bitch

    I like how she politely asks me to leave her sister out of being charged with killing her kid, then calls me a bitch. :)

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Was it a private message? I don’t see it anywhere./blockquote>

    Yeah, it was private. Here is the new one…that I have left completely unaltered.

    for ur info. i dont have anger unless someone messes with my fucking family and i dont give a shit so u need to watch it my sister would never do that and i think i kno who did it so please leave my sister out of this bitch

    I like how she politely asks me to leave her sister out of being charged with killing her kid, then calls me a bitch. :)

  • justmeintn

    for ur info. i dont have anger unless someone messes with my fucking family and i dont give a shit so u need to watch it my sister would never do that and i think i kno who did it so please leave my sister out of this bitch

    So who did it? I wish they would come here and enlighten me .

  • justmeintn

    for ur info. i dont have anger unless someone messes with my fucking family and i dont give a shit so u need to watch it my sister would never do that and i think i kno who did it so please leave my sister out of this bitch

    So who did it? I wish they would come here and enlighten me .

  • justmeintn

    for ur info. i dont have anger unless someone messes with my fucking family and i dont give a shit so u need to watch it my sister would never do that and i think i kno who did it so please leave my sister out of this bitch

    So who did it? I wish they would come here and enlighten me .

  • Anonymous

    for ur info. i dont have anger unless someone messes with my fucking family and i dont give a shit so u need to watch it my sister would never do that and i think i kno who did it so please leave my sister out of this bitch

    UUHHHH. Dear Spazzy Sis:

    According to CAITLIN,

    Karrae said no one did anything. She said Karrae told her Bianca just started seizing.

    Caitlin says Bianca had seizures in the past. What do you say about that?

  • Anonymous

    for ur info. i dont have anger unless someone messes with my fucking family and i dont give a shit so u need to watch it my sister would never do that and i think i kno who did it so please leave my sister out of this bitch

    UUHHHH. Dear Spazzy Sis:

    According to CAITLIN,

    Karrae said no one did anything. She said Karrae told her Bianca just started seizing.

    Caitlin says Bianca had seizures in the past. What do you say about that?

  • sugarglider

    for ur info. i dont have anger unless someone messes with my fucking family and i dont give a shit so u need to watch it my sister would never do that and i think i kno who did it so please leave my sister out of this bitch

    UUHHHH. Dear Spazzy Sis:

    According to CAITLIN,

    Karrae said no one did anything. She said Karrae told her Bianca just started seizing.

    Caitlin says Bianca had seizures in the past. What do you say about that?

  • WryBread

    Moralizing aside, that doesn’t sound like this girl’s story at all.

    In loads of those model homes, there was a shitload of molestation and spousal abuse and child abuse going on. It wasn’t reported on as much, but that’s just because people felt obligated to suck it up and keep the marriage going “for the children” (biggest joke of all time), or because the wifey didn’t feel able to make it on her own financially and/or to face the condemnation of society.

    Yeah, I agree with you both. But at the same time I do think there’s a sort of my baby as a cute accessory thing going on that makes the baby something like a new video camera or a bitchin’ new car. The baby is in among all the chaos of objects, not the center of everything. No social formula is perfect and the nuclear family certain is one, but what do we have now? Still puzzling over this whole topic ….

  • WryBread

    Moralizing aside, that doesn’t sound like this girl’s story at all.

    In loads of those model homes, there was a shitload of molestation and spousal abuse and child abuse going on. It wasn’t reported on as much, but that’s just because people felt obligated to suck it up and keep the marriage going “for the children” (biggest joke of all time), or because the wifey didn’t feel able to make it on her own financially and/or to face the condemnation of society.

    Yeah, I agree with you both. But at the same time I do think there’s a sort of my baby as a cute accessory thing going on that makes the baby something like a new video camera or a bitchin’ new car. The baby is in among all the chaos of objects, not the center of everything. No social formula is perfect and the nuclear family certain is one, but what do we have now? Still puzzling over this whole topic ….

  • WryBread

    Moralizing aside, that doesn’t sound like this girl’s story at all.

    In loads of those model homes, there was a shitload of molestation and spousal abuse and child abuse going on. It wasn’t reported on as much, but that’s just because people felt obligated to suck it up and keep the marriage going “for the children” (biggest joke of all time), or because the wifey didn’t feel able to make it on her own financially and/or to face the condemnation of society.

    Yeah, I agree with you both. But at the same time I do think there’s a sort of my baby as a cute accessory thing going on that makes the baby something like a new video camera or a bitchin’ new car. The baby is in among all the chaos of objects, not the center of everything. No social formula is perfect and the nuclear family certain is one, but what do we have now? Still puzzling over this whole topic ….

  • mishdabrat

    Also thanks for the tip on the Youtube pages, I might just have to check them out. Unfortunately it will have to wait till later though as they block me out at work, I mean they actually want us to be productive or something

    Pfffft…Work! Sheeesh… work can be so annoying and such an interference in the important things of life. ;-)

  • mishdabrat

    Also thanks for the tip on the Youtube pages, I might just have to check them out. Unfortunately it will have to wait till later though as they block me out at work, I mean they actually want us to be productive or something

    Pfffft…Work! Sheeesh… work can be so annoying and such an interference in the important things of life. ;-)

  • mishdabrat

    Also thanks for the tip on the Youtube pages, I might just have to check them out. Unfortunately it will have to wait till later though as they block me out at work, I mean they actually want us to be productive or something

    Pfffft…Work! Sheeesh… work can be so annoying and such an interference in the important things of life. ;-)

  • philly_phan

    Seems her reading interests are VC Andrews. Anyone read “Flowers in the Attic” or see the movie? This could be where she got her plan, lol. If they want to find something to blame it on, they might use that one. And not that she’s just a CRAZY BITCH! Or the fact that she loves CSI, could be where she got her forensics info. It never fails to amaze me when I find out about a parent killing a child, or vice versa. You kill people that are trying to kill you! Not innocent kids.

  • philly_phan

    Seems her reading interests are VC Andrews. Anyone read “Flowers in the Attic” or see the movie? This could be where she got her plan, lol. If they want to find something to blame it on, they might use that one. And not that she’s just a CRAZY BITCH! Or the fact that she loves CSI, could be where she got her forensics info. It never fails to amaze me when I find out about a parent killing a child, or vice versa. You kill people that are trying to kill you! Not innocent kids.

  • philly_phan

    Seems her reading interests are VC Andrews. Anyone read “Flowers in the Attic” or see the movie? This could be where she got her plan, lol. If they want to find something to blame it on, they might use that one. And not that she’s just a CRAZY BITCH! Or the fact that she loves CSI, could be where she got her forensics info. It never fails to amaze me when I find out about a parent killing a child, or vice versa. You kill people that are trying to kill you! Not innocent kids.

  • porcelain

    I vaguely remember seeing Flowers in the attic.
    Didn’t the mom lock them in the attic and poison them ?

    If they use her reading and television interests as evidence she is screwed.
    Also they may mention she is going to school to become a nurse so she may have medical knowledge .

    I haven’t heard any more on this case and I am constantly checking too because it plagues me .

    On one hand she might not be guilty and and is sitting in jail after losing her daughter.

    On the other ..if she did kill an innocent child I will hate her with the fury of a thousand hot suns .

    This case is not cut and dry
    Many confusing factors.

  • porcelain

    I vaguely remember seeing Flowers in the attic.
    Didn’t the mom lock them in the attic and poison them ?

    If they use her reading and television interests as evidence she is screwed.
    Also they may mention she is going to school to become a nurse so she may have medical knowledge .

    I haven’t heard any more on this case and I am constantly checking too because it plagues me .

    On one hand she might not be guilty and and is sitting in jail after losing her daughter.

    On the other ..if she did kill an innocent child I will hate her with the fury of a thousand hot suns .

    This case is not cut and dry
    Many confusing factors.

  • porcelain

    I vaguely remember seeing Flowers in the attic.
    Didn’t the mom lock them in the attic and poison them ?

    If they use her reading and television interests as evidence she is screwed.
    Also they may mention she is going to school to become a nurse so she may have medical knowledge .

    I haven’t heard any more on this case and I am constantly checking too because it plagues me .

    On one hand she might not be guilty and and is sitting in jail after losing her daughter.

    On the other ..if she did kill an innocent child I will hate her with the fury of a thousand hot suns .

    This case is not cut and dry
    Many confusing factors.

  • noonereally

    Karrae’s mom posted a couple interesting blogs on her myspace…

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=126842664

    10/11/08 – “Ok I have been reading some of the garbage people are saying about Karrae and its really pissing me off. You wanna talk about someone talk about me and her dad or her grandmothers coz we are the ones who created this mess in the beginning but then the State of IL let down not only Karrae but Bianca.
    Karrae was first put in foster care at the age of 3 months because her father hurt her while I was at my second job. I was trying to do the right thing and work two jobs to get us off welfare. But I got accused of neglect also even though I didn’t do anything.
    After her sister was born I went through post partum depression, even though I didn’t know it until years later because I had never even heard of it back then. I let the girls go live with their father and grandmother because I could not handle being 22 and having three kids. …” it’s very long, so I won’t post the entire thing.

    The second one… “It has been two weeks now since Bianca passed away and I am still in so much emotional pain I cant bear it. The Adavan only keep me asleep long enough to have nightmares about her. The alcohol barely numbs it. People are trying to be supportive but no one can understand it unless they have been through it.
    I haven’t been to see Karrae yet because everyone else takes up the visiting time. Its like having someone in ICU, the immediate family should be the ones to visit not everyone else. …” also a pretty long entry.

    Does it shock anyone else that these people are airing this tragedy out all over myspace? I can understand wanting to get your story out there, but laying out her whole life story on myspace seems like a very stupid move.

  • noonereally

    Karrae’s mom posted a couple interesting blogs on her myspace…

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=126842664

    10/11/08 – “Ok I have been reading some of the garbage people are saying about Karrae and its really pissing me off. You wanna talk about someone talk about me and her dad or her grandmothers coz we are the ones who created this mess in the beginning but then the State of IL let down not only Karrae but Bianca.
    Karrae was first put in foster care at the age of 3 months because her father hurt her while I was at my second job. I was trying to do the right thing and work two jobs to get us off welfare. But I got accused of neglect also even though I didn’t do anything.
    After her sister was born I went through post partum depression, even though I didn’t know it until years later because I had never even heard of it back then. I let the girls go live with their father and grandmother because I could not handle being 22 and having three kids. …” it’s very long, so I won’t post the entire thing.

    The second one… “It has been two weeks now since Bianca passed away and I am still in so much emotional pain I cant bear it. The Adavan only keep me asleep long enough to have nightmares about her. The alcohol barely numbs it. People are trying to be supportive but no one can understand it unless they have been through it.
    I haven’t been to see Karrae yet because everyone else takes up the visiting time. Its like having someone in ICU, the immediate family should be the ones to visit not everyone else. …” also a pretty long entry.

    Does it shock anyone else that these people are airing this tragedy out all over myspace? I can understand wanting to get your story out there, but laying out her whole life story on myspace seems like a very stupid move.

  • noonereally

    Karrae’s mom posted a couple interesting blogs on her myspace…

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=126842664

    10/11/08 – “Ok I have been reading some of the garbage people are saying about Karrae and its really pissing me off. You wanna talk about someone talk about me and her dad or her grandmothers coz we are the ones who created this mess in the beginning but then the State of IL let down not only Karrae but Bianca.
    Karrae was first put in foster care at the age of 3 months because her father hurt her while I was at my second job. I was trying to do the right thing and work two jobs to get us off welfare. But I got accused of neglect also even though I didn’t do anything.
    After her sister was born I went through post partum depression, even though I didn’t know it until years later because I had never even heard of it back then. I let the girls go live with their father and grandmother because I could not handle being 22 and having three kids. …” it’s very long, so I won’t post the entire thing.

    The second one… “It has been two weeks now since Bianca passed away and I am still in so much emotional pain I cant bear it. The Adavan only keep me asleep long enough to have nightmares about her. The alcohol barely numbs it. People are trying to be supportive but no one can understand it unless they have been through it.
    I haven’t been to see Karrae yet because everyone else takes up the visiting time. Its like having someone in ICU, the immediate family should be the ones to visit not everyone else. …” also a pretty long entry.

    Does it shock anyone else that these people are airing this tragedy out all over myspace? I can understand wanting to get your story out there, but laying out her whole life story on myspace seems like a very stupid move.

  • noonereally

    Karrae’s mom posted a couple interesting blogs on her myspace…

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=126842664

    10/11/08 – “Ok I have been reading some of the garbage people are saying about Karrae and its really pissing me off. You wanna talk about someone talk about me and her dad or her grandmothers coz we are the ones who created this mess in the beginning but then the State of IL let down not only Karrae but Bianca.
    Karrae was first put in foster care at the age of 3 months because her father hurt her while I was at my second job. I was trying to do the right thing and work two jobs to get us off welfare. But I got accused of neglect also even though I didn’t do anything.
    After her sister was born I went through post partum depression, even though I didn’t know it until years later because I had never even heard of it back then. I let the girls go live with their father and grandmother because I could not handle being 22 and having three kids. …” it’s very long, so I won’t post the entire thing.

    The second one… “It has been two weeks now since Bianca passed away and I am still in so much emotional pain I cant bear it. The Adavan only keep me asleep long enough to have nightmares about her. The alcohol barely numbs it. People are trying to be supportive but no one can understand it unless they have been through it.
    I haven’t been to see Karrae yet because everyone else takes up the visiting time. Its like having someone in ICU, the immediate family should be the ones to visit not everyone else. …” also a pretty long entry.

    Does it shock anyone else that these people are airing this tragedy out all over myspace? I can understand wanting to get your story out there, but laying out her whole life story on myspace seems like a very stupid move.

  • petrina

    1. dont mix ativan (or any benzodiazepine) and alcohol

    2. so was she raped? then is the dude named as father on the obituary – charles e allen – a rapist?

  • petrina

    1. dont mix ativan (or any benzodiazepine) and alcohol

    2. so was she raped? then is the dude named as father on the obituary – charles e allen – a rapist?

  • petrina

    1. dont mix ativan (or any benzodiazepine) and alcohol

    2. so was she raped? then is the dude named as father on the obituary – charles e allen – a rapist?

  • petrina

    1. dont mix ativan (or any benzodiazepine) and alcohol

    2. so was she raped? then is the dude named as father on the obituary – charles e allen – a rapist?

  • noonereally

    Not sure if the father raped her or not, I know there had been some talk of it somewhere, sorry that I’m not sure who said it/what site. The grandmother’s blog says this:

    “At 14 Karrae did get pregnant by a 23 year old drug dealing black guy who got her high and he and his buddies took advantage of her. I did try to have hin thrown in jail but no one could find him,,,he had taken off. When he did get arrested it was for drugs and he got more time for that than he did for what he did to karrae so I was satisfied with justice.
    I also had my own issues to deal with…yes I am an alcoholic and have been for a long time. I had went to rehab for a month and when I got back I stayed clean for six months. The girls moved back in with me but it did not work out and finally I had to have them removed from my home because they were destroying it.”

    So, that’s statutory at least. Sounds to me like the grandmother is just trying to lay blame everywhere but where it belongs.

  • noonereally

    Not sure if the father raped her or not, I know there had been some talk of it somewhere, sorry that I’m not sure who said it/what site. The grandmother’s blog says this:

    “At 14 Karrae did get pregnant by a 23 year old drug dealing black guy who got her high and he and his buddies took advantage of her. I did try to have hin thrown in jail but no one could find him,,,he had taken off. When he did get arrested it was for drugs and he got more time for that than he did for what he did to karrae so I was satisfied with justice.
    I also had my own issues to deal with…yes I am an alcoholic and have been for a long time. I had went to rehab for a month and when I got back I stayed clean for six months. The girls moved back in with me but it did not work out and finally I had to have them removed from my home because they were destroying it.”

    So, that’s statutory at least. Sounds to me like the grandmother is just trying to lay blame everywhere but where it belongs.

  • noonereally

    Not sure if the father raped her or not, I know there had been some talk of it somewhere, sorry that I’m not sure who said it/what site. The grandmother’s blog says this:

    “At 14 Karrae did get pregnant by a 23 year old drug dealing black guy who got her high and he and his buddies took advantage of her. I did try to have hin thrown in jail but no one could find him,,,he had taken off. When he did get arrested it was for drugs and he got more time for that than he did for what he did to karrae so I was satisfied with justice.
    I also had my own issues to deal with…yes I am an alcoholic and have been for a long time. I had went to rehab for a month and when I got back I stayed clean for six months. The girls moved back in with me but it did not work out and finally I had to have them removed from my home because they were destroying it.”

    So, that’s statutory at least. Sounds to me like the grandmother is just trying to lay blame everywhere but where it belongs.

  • noonereally

    Not sure if the father raped her or not, I know there had been some talk of it somewhere, sorry that I’m not sure who said it/what site. The grandmother’s blog says this:

    “At 14 Karrae did get pregnant by a 23 year old drug dealing black guy who got her high and he and his buddies took advantage of her. I did try to have hin thrown in jail but no one could find him,,,he had taken off. When he did get arrested it was for drugs and he got more time for that than he did for what he did to karrae so I was satisfied with justice.
    I also had my own issues to deal with…yes I am an alcoholic and have been for a long time. I had went to rehab for a month and when I got back I stayed clean for six months. The girls moved back in with me but it did not work out and finally I had to have them removed from my home because they were destroying it.”

    So, that’s statutory at least. Sounds to me like the grandmother is just trying to lay blame everywhere but where it belongs.

  • noonereally

    Not sure if the father raped her or not, I know there had been some talk of it somewhere, sorry that I’m not sure who said it/what site. The grandmother’s blog says this:

    “At 14 Karrae did get pregnant by a 23 year old drug dealing black guy who got her high and he and his buddies took advantage of her. I did try to have hin thrown in jail but no one could find him,,,he had taken off. When he did get arrested it was for drugs and he got more time for that than he did for what he did to karrae so I was satisfied with justice.
    I also had my own issues to deal with…yes I am an alcoholic and have been for a long time. I had went to rehab for a month and when I got back I stayed clean for six months. The girls moved back in with me but it did not work out and finally I had to have them removed from my home because they were destroying it.”

    So, that’s statutory at least. Sounds to me like the grandmother is just trying to lay blame everywhere but where it belongs.

  • sunnyday78

    Oh for God’s sake! How many ways can peoples words get twisted. I discouraged Caitlin from giving the interview for this very reason! Nothing is sacred. This family deserves some respect and privacy! She loves her sister and wants to help her. I was married to thier father for 8 years. I just happen to think that our family’s issues are not up for world wide discussions. There wasn’t some false appearance of love for Karrae’s child. Bianca never had bruises, she was outgoing, she was always clean, and Karrae consoled her when she cried, and I keep reading about her being hungry or appearing depressed. Bianca was always hungry and Karrae fed her when she asked for food. She was 3, at that age food jags are not uncommon, she would ask for things decide she didn’t like them and end up eating peanut butter and jelly if that’s what she wanted. She danced and sang and ran around happily. She was never withdrawn. Karrae colored pictures with her and took her to the park…stop speculating on her parenting skills. For a young mother Karrae was oustanding!!! Perhaps people should stop writing about it but then what would you have to discuss? Maybe the reason everyone keeps changing what they think happened is because nobody knows. It’s normal to ask ourselves why this happened exactly when things were looking up. All I know without doubt is that Karrae is grieving a great loss and she would never hurt Bianca.

  • sunnyday78

    Oh for God’s sake! How many ways can peoples words get twisted. I discouraged Caitlin from giving the interview for this very reason! Nothing is sacred. This family deserves some respect and privacy! She loves her sister and wants to help her. I was married to thier father for 8 years. I just happen to think that our family’s issues are not up for world wide discussions. There wasn’t some false appearance of love for Karrae’s child. Bianca never had bruises, she was outgoing, she was always clean, and Karrae consoled her when she cried, and I keep reading about her being hungry or appearing depressed. Bianca was always hungry and Karrae fed her when she asked for food. She was 3, at that age food jags are not uncommon, she would ask for things decide she didn’t like them and end up eating peanut butter and jelly if that’s what she wanted. She danced and sang and ran around happily. She was never withdrawn. Karrae colored pictures with her and took her to the park…stop speculating on her parenting skills. For a young mother Karrae was oustanding!!! Perhaps people should stop writing about it but then what would you have to discuss? Maybe the reason everyone keeps changing what they think happened is because nobody knows. It’s normal to ask ourselves why this happened exactly when things were looking up. All I know without doubt is that Karrae is grieving a great loss and she would never hurt Bianca.

  • sunnyday78

    Oh for God’s sake! How many ways can peoples words get twisted. I discouraged Caitlin from giving the interview for this very reason! Nothing is sacred. This family deserves some respect and privacy! She loves her sister and wants to help her. I was married to thier father for 8 years. I just happen to think that our family’s issues are not up for world wide discussions. There wasn’t some false appearance of love for Karrae’s child. Bianca never had bruises, she was outgoing, she was always clean, and Karrae consoled her when she cried, and I keep reading about her being hungry or appearing depressed. Bianca was always hungry and Karrae fed her when she asked for food. She was 3, at that age food jags are not uncommon, she would ask for things decide she didn’t like them and end up eating peanut butter and jelly if that’s what she wanted. She danced and sang and ran around happily. She was never withdrawn. Karrae colored pictures with her and took her to the park…stop speculating on her parenting skills. For a young mother Karrae was oustanding!!! Perhaps people should stop writing about it but then what would you have to discuss? Maybe the reason everyone keeps changing what they think happened is because nobody knows. It’s normal to ask ourselves why this happened exactly when things were looking up. All I know without doubt is that Karrae is grieving a great loss and she would never hurt Bianca.

  • sunnyday78

    Oh for God’s sake! How many ways can peoples words get twisted. I discouraged Caitlin from giving the interview for this very reason! Nothing is sacred. This family deserves some respect and privacy! She loves her sister and wants to help her. I was married to thier father for 8 years. I just happen to think that our family’s issues are not up for world wide discussions. There wasn’t some false appearance of love for Karrae’s child. Bianca never had bruises, she was outgoing, she was always clean, and Karrae consoled her when she cried, and I keep reading about her being hungry or appearing depressed. Bianca was always hungry and Karrae fed her when she asked for food. She was 3, at that age food jags are not uncommon, she would ask for things decide she didn’t like them and end up eating peanut butter and jelly if that’s what she wanted. She danced and sang and ran around happily. She was never withdrawn. Karrae colored pictures with her and took her to the park…stop speculating on her parenting skills. For a young mother Karrae was oustanding!!! Perhaps people should stop writing about it but then what would you have to discuss? Maybe the reason everyone keeps changing what they think happened is because nobody knows. It’s normal to ask ourselves why this happened exactly when things were looking up. All I know without doubt is that Karrae is grieving a great loss and she would never hurt Bianca.

  • sunnyday78

    Oh for God’s sake! How many ways can peoples words get twisted. I discouraged Caitlin from giving the interview for this very reason! Nothing is sacred. This family deserves some respect and privacy! She loves her sister and wants to help her. I was married to thier father for 8 years. I just happen to think that our family’s issues are not up for world wide discussions. There wasn’t some false appearance of love for Karrae’s child. Bianca never had bruises, she was outgoing, she was always clean, and Karrae consoled her when she cried, and I keep reading about her being hungry or appearing depressed. Bianca was always hungry and Karrae fed her when she asked for food. She was 3, at that age food jags are not uncommon, she would ask for things decide she didn’t like them and end up eating peanut butter and jelly if that’s what she wanted. She danced and sang and ran around happily. She was never withdrawn. Karrae colored pictures with her and took her to the park…stop speculating on her parenting skills. For a young mother Karrae was oustanding!!! Perhaps people should stop writing about it but then what would you have to discuss? Maybe the reason everyone keeps changing what they think happened is because nobody knows. It’s normal to ask ourselves why this happened exactly when things were looking up. All I know without doubt is that Karrae is grieving a great loss and she would never hurt Bianca.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    Hmmm… either you weren’t really there (you’re just saying that to try and make Karrae’s story more believable) — OR– you were there and the police don’t believe either of you.
    Why say this now? It’s never been said before that anyone else was in the room at the moment this supposedly happened. You’re not very credible.

    As for the Myspace hacking — what? That’s OUR fault? Newsflash for ya… it’s more likely someone she actually KNOWS than someone from this site.

    And many people who kill feel immediate remorse for what they’ve done… and call 911. It doesn’t erase what they did and it doesn’t make them less culpable.

    We all hope and pray that Karrae didn’t do this. It doesn’t look good, though. Till we find out one way or another – we will continue to speculate and give our opinions. If it bothers you that much.. quit reading them.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    Hmmm… either you weren’t really there (you’re just saying that to try and make Karrae’s story more believable) — OR– you were there and the police don’t believe either of you.
    Why say this now? It’s never been said before that anyone else was in the room at the moment this supposedly happened. You’re not very credible.

    As for the Myspace hacking — what? That’s OUR fault? Newsflash for ya… it’s more likely someone she actually KNOWS than someone from this site.

    And many people who kill feel immediate remorse for what they’ve done… and call 911. It doesn’t erase what they did and it doesn’t make them less culpable.

    We all hope and pray that Karrae didn’t do this. It doesn’t look good, though. Till we find out one way or another – we will continue to speculate and give our opinions. If it bothers you that much.. quit reading them.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    Hmmm… either you weren’t really there (you’re just saying that to try and make Karrae’s story more believable) — OR– you were there and the police don’t believe either of you.
    Why say this now? It’s never been said before that anyone else was in the room at the moment this supposedly happened. You’re not very credible.

    As for the Myspace hacking — what? That’s OUR fault? Newsflash for ya… it’s more likely someone she actually KNOWS than someone from this site.

    And many people who kill feel immediate remorse for what they’ve done… and call 911. It doesn’t erase what they did and it doesn’t make them less culpable.

    We all hope and pray that Karrae didn’t do this. It doesn’t look good, though. Till we find out one way or another – we will continue to speculate and give our opinions. If it bothers you that much.. quit reading them.

  • Zibarro

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    Hmmm… either you weren’t really there (you’re just saying that to try and make Karrae’s story more believable) — OR– you were there and the police don’t believe either of you.
    Why say this now? It’s never been said before that anyone else was in the room at the moment this supposedly happened. You’re not very credible.

    As for the Myspace hacking — what? That’s OUR fault? Newsflash for ya… it’s more likely someone she actually KNOWS than someone from this site.

    And many people who kill feel immediate remorse for what they’ve done… and call 911. It doesn’t erase what they did and it doesn’t make them less culpable.

    We all hope and pray that Karrae didn’t do this. It doesn’t look good, though. Till we find out one way or another – we will continue to speculate and give our opinions. If it bothers you that much.. quit reading them.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Maybe the reason everyone keeps changing what they think happened is because nobody knows.

    Including you.

    All I know without doubt is that Karrae is grieving a great loss and she would never hurt Bianca.

    Second verse, same as the first.
    Problem is — up until the moment they DO kill — a lot of these parents were “great.” Sorry… it doesn’t mean she didn’t do it.

    I hope she didn’t. But like I said above… it doesn’t look good.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Maybe the reason everyone keeps changing what they think happened is because nobody knows.

    Including you.

    All I know without doubt is that Karrae is grieving a great loss and she would never hurt Bianca.

    Second verse, same as the first.
    Problem is — up until the moment they DO kill — a lot of these parents were “great.” Sorry… it doesn’t mean she didn’t do it.

    I hope she didn’t. But like I said above… it doesn’t look good.

  • Zibarro

    Maybe the reason everyone keeps changing what they think happened is because nobody knows.

    Including you.

    All I know without doubt is that Karrae is grieving a great loss and she would never hurt Bianca.

    Second verse, same as the first.
    Problem is — up until the moment they DO kill — a lot of these parents were “great.” Sorry… it doesn’t mean she didn’t do it.

    I hope she didn’t. But like I said above… it doesn’t look good.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call

    Sorry to break it to you, but they do it ALL the time.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call

    Sorry to break it to you, but they do it ALL the time.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call

    Sorry to break it to you, but they do it ALL the time.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call

    Sorry to break it to you, but they do it ALL the time.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call

    Sorry to break it to you, but they do it ALL the time.

  • sunnyday78

    Of course I don’t know. But as a person who did see her on a regular basis and who does love her it is my choice to show support for her. It is my choice not to assume anything that I do not know. I don’t know why I read this malicious junk except that my family informed me of it’s presence. I wish I never did. Of course we have tried to find her a pro bono attorney, however there aren’t any for these kind of cases that I have found. And we have certainly not given up the hope that there will be evidence that absolves Karrae and proves her to be uncapable of such an act. Isn’t that what the people who love us are supposed to do? If any one of you found yourselves in a similar situation you would want someone out there to love you and do everything within thier power to help you. Some of us are not discussing the details of current situations. Some of us are simply trying to get through this with Karrae. I know these comments will continue and people will continue to seek information, it’s human nature afterall. We do understand the magnitude of these allegations and the impact it will have. The impact it has already had! I think you are absolutely right, perhaps it would be best if I didn’t read this. The only actions I can control are my own. I’ll leave you to your opinions and ideas. And I will quietly continue to seek truth and show support for Karrae.

  • sunnyday78

    Of course I don’t know. But as a person who did see her on a regular basis and who does love her it is my choice to show support for her. It is my choice not to assume anything that I do not know. I don’t know why I read this malicious junk except that my family informed me of it’s presence. I wish I never did. Of course we have tried to find her a pro bono attorney, however there aren’t any for these kind of cases that I have found. And we have certainly not given up the hope that there will be evidence that absolves Karrae and proves her to be uncapable of such an act. Isn’t that what the people who love us are supposed to do? If any one of you found yourselves in a similar situation you would want someone out there to love you and do everything within thier power to help you. Some of us are not discussing the details of current situations. Some of us are simply trying to get through this with Karrae. I know these comments will continue and people will continue to seek information, it’s human nature afterall. We do understand the magnitude of these allegations and the impact it will have. The impact it has already had! I think you are absolutely right, perhaps it would be best if I didn’t read this. The only actions I can control are my own. I’ll leave you to your opinions and ideas. And I will quietly continue to seek truth and show support for Karrae.

  • sunnyday78

    Of course I don’t know. But as a person who did see her on a regular basis and who does love her it is my choice to show support for her. It is my choice not to assume anything that I do not know. I don’t know why I read this malicious junk except that my family informed me of it’s presence. I wish I never did. Of course we have tried to find her a pro bono attorney, however there aren’t any for these kind of cases that I have found. And we have certainly not given up the hope that there will be evidence that absolves Karrae and proves her to be uncapable of such an act. Isn’t that what the people who love us are supposed to do? If any one of you found yourselves in a similar situation you would want someone out there to love you and do everything within thier power to help you. Some of us are not discussing the details of current situations. Some of us are simply trying to get through this with Karrae. I know these comments will continue and people will continue to seek information, it’s human nature afterall. We do understand the magnitude of these allegations and the impact it will have. The impact it has already had! I think you are absolutely right, perhaps it would be best if I didn’t read this. The only actions I can control are my own. I’ll leave you to your opinions and ideas. And I will quietly continue to seek truth and show support for Karrae.

  • sunnyday78

    Of course I don’t know. But as a person who did see her on a regular basis and who does love her it is my choice to show support for her. It is my choice not to assume anything that I do not know. I don’t know why I read this malicious junk except that my family informed me of it’s presence. I wish I never did. Of course we have tried to find her a pro bono attorney, however there aren’t any for these kind of cases that I have found. And we have certainly not given up the hope that there will be evidence that absolves Karrae and proves her to be uncapable of such an act. Isn’t that what the people who love us are supposed to do? If any one of you found yourselves in a similar situation you would want someone out there to love you and do everything within thier power to help you. Some of us are not discussing the details of current situations. Some of us are simply trying to get through this with Karrae. I know these comments will continue and people will continue to seek information, it’s human nature afterall. We do understand the magnitude of these allegations and the impact it will have. The impact it has already had! I think you are absolutely right, perhaps it would be best if I didn’t read this. The only actions I can control are my own. I’ll leave you to your opinions and ideas. And I will quietly continue to seek truth and show support for Karrae.

  • sunnyday78

    Of course I don’t know. But as a person who did see her on a regular basis and who does love her it is my choice to show support for her. It is my choice not to assume anything that I do not know. I don’t know why I read this malicious junk except that my family informed me of it’s presence. I wish I never did. Of course we have tried to find her a pro bono attorney, however there aren’t any for these kind of cases that I have found. And we have certainly not given up the hope that there will be evidence that absolves Karrae and proves her to be uncapable of such an act. Isn’t that what the people who love us are supposed to do? If any one of you found yourselves in a similar situation you would want someone out there to love you and do everything within thier power to help you. Some of us are not discussing the details of current situations. Some of us are simply trying to get through this with Karrae. I know these comments will continue and people will continue to seek information, it’s human nature afterall. We do understand the magnitude of these allegations and the impact it will have. The impact it has already had! I think you are absolutely right, perhaps it would be best if I didn’t read this. The only actions I can control are my own. I’ll leave you to your opinions and ideas. And I will quietly continue to seek truth and show support for Karrae.

  • Lilbay

    My heart breaks for this baby. I pray that someone stands up for her in the end and at the end this little one is not forgotten as all the others before her have been. I see so many making such big deals about the Anthony case and to be quite honest I get a bit ticked because Sorry and I do not mean this to come off cold but that case is but one in a sea of many and they get swept under a rug never to be remembered. It saddens me.
    This little girl was such a cutie. i sat watching that myspace video someone made with tears flying.
    I just so feel sorry for this baby whatever happened I pray the truth is found.
    I will say though to her Sister. I know you feel you are trying to help but Please You are only making shit worse Just Stop please Just stop adding stop talking stop helping. You are tossing her under the bus and backing the damn thing over her again and again with your attitude actions and comments. Every time I think well maybe she did not do it You come along with another comment and I go right back to wondering well if not why would they keep making excuses
    Talking and adding more so called “helpful info” You saying this Here and Karrae saying something over there, and your mother another story there. Now you come adding this news brief that you were there. Hell maybe you played a part??
    NO that was not what I think but what is to stop someone from thinking it??
    You are just making things look like she is guilty as sin. Hush and stop trying to help you are doing more damage then you can imagine.

    My prayers to this little one may she rest in peace. I am sure she has her wings and is running about driving all the angels nuts :0) She looked like a mischievous little darling I also send prayer to her family. I pray you all get through this.

  • Lilbay

    My heart breaks for this baby. I pray that someone stands up for her in the end and at the end this little one is not forgotten as all the others before her have been. I see so many making such big deals about the Anthony case and to be quite honest I get a bit ticked because Sorry and I do not mean this to come off cold but that case is but one in a sea of many and they get swept under a rug never to be remembered. It saddens me.
    This little girl was such a cutie. i sat watching that myspace video someone made with tears flying.
    I just so feel sorry for this baby whatever happened I pray the truth is found.
    I will say though to her Sister. I know you feel you are trying to help but Please You are only making shit worse Just Stop please Just stop adding stop talking stop helping. You are tossing her under the bus and backing the damn thing over her again and again with your attitude actions and comments. Every time I think well maybe she did not do it You come along with another comment and I go right back to wondering well if not why would they keep making excuses
    Talking and adding more so called “helpful info” You saying this Here and Karrae saying something over there, and your mother another story there. Now you come adding this news brief that you were there. Hell maybe you played a part??
    NO that was not what I think but what is to stop someone from thinking it??
    You are just making things look like she is guilty as sin. Hush and stop trying to help you are doing more damage then you can imagine.

    My prayers to this little one may she rest in peace. I am sure she has her wings and is running about driving all the angels nuts :0) She looked like a mischievous little darling I also send prayer to her family. I pray you all get through this.

  • Lilbay

    My heart breaks for this baby. I pray that someone stands up for her in the end and at the end this little one is not forgotten as all the others before her have been. I see so many making such big deals about the Anthony case and to be quite honest I get a bit ticked because Sorry and I do not mean this to come off cold but that case is but one in a sea of many and they get swept under a rug never to be remembered. It saddens me.
    This little girl was such a cutie. i sat watching that myspace video someone made with tears flying.
    I just so feel sorry for this baby whatever happened I pray the truth is found.
    I will say though to her Sister. I know you feel you are trying to help but Please You are only making shit worse Just Stop please Just stop adding stop talking stop helping. You are tossing her under the bus and backing the damn thing over her again and again with your attitude actions and comments. Every time I think well maybe she did not do it You come along with another comment and I go right back to wondering well if not why would they keep making excuses
    Talking and adding more so called “helpful info” You saying this Here and Karrae saying something over there, and your mother another story there. Now you come adding this news brief that you were there. Hell maybe you played a part??
    NO that was not what I think but what is to stop someone from thinking it??
    You are just making things look like she is guilty as sin. Hush and stop trying to help you are doing more damage then you can imagine.

    My prayers to this little one may she rest in peace. I am sure she has her wings and is running about driving all the angels nuts :0) She looked like a mischievous little darling I also send prayer to her family. I pray you all get through this.

  • Lilbay

    My heart breaks for this baby. I pray that someone stands up for her in the end and at the end this little one is not forgotten as all the others before her have been. I see so many making such big deals about the Anthony case and to be quite honest I get a bit ticked because Sorry and I do not mean this to come off cold but that case is but one in a sea of many and they get swept under a rug never to be remembered. It saddens me.
    This little girl was such a cutie. i sat watching that myspace video someone made with tears flying.
    I just so feel sorry for this baby whatever happened I pray the truth is found.
    I will say though to her Sister. I know you feel you are trying to help but Please You are only making shit worse Just Stop please Just stop adding stop talking stop helping. You are tossing her under the bus and backing the damn thing over her again and again with your attitude actions and comments. Every time I think well maybe she did not do it You come along with another comment and I go right back to wondering well if not why would they keep making excuses
    Talking and adding more so called “helpful info” You saying this Here and Karrae saying something over there, and your mother another story there. Now you come adding this news brief that you were there. Hell maybe you played a part??
    NO that was not what I think but what is to stop someone from thinking it??
    You are just making things look like she is guilty as sin. Hush and stop trying to help you are doing more damage then you can imagine.

    My prayers to this little one may she rest in peace. I am sure she has her wings and is running about driving all the angels nuts :0) She looked like a mischievous little darling I also send prayer to her family. I pray you all get through this.

  • Lilbay

    My heart breaks for this baby. I pray that someone stands up for her in the end and at the end this little one is not forgotten as all the others before her have been. I see so many making such big deals about the Anthony case and to be quite honest I get a bit ticked because Sorry and I do not mean this to come off cold but that case is but one in a sea of many and they get swept under a rug never to be remembered. It saddens me.
    This little girl was such a cutie. i sat watching that myspace video someone made with tears flying.
    I just so feel sorry for this baby whatever happened I pray the truth is found.
    I will say though to her Sister. I know you feel you are trying to help but Please You are only making shit worse Just Stop please Just stop adding stop talking stop helping. You are tossing her under the bus and backing the damn thing over her again and again with your attitude actions and comments. Every time I think well maybe she did not do it You come along with another comment and I go right back to wondering well if not why would they keep making excuses
    Talking and adding more so called “helpful info” You saying this Here and Karrae saying something over there, and your mother another story there. Now you come adding this news brief that you were there. Hell maybe you played a part??
    NO that was not what I think but what is to stop someone from thinking it??
    You are just making things look like she is guilty as sin. Hush and stop trying to help you are doing more damage then you can imagine.

    My prayers to this little one may she rest in peace. I am sure she has her wings and is running about driving all the angels nuts :0) She looked like a mischievous little darling I also send prayer to her family. I pray you all get through this.

  • CrazyKid

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

  • CrazyKid

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

  • CrazyKid

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

  • CrazyKid

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

  • CrazyKid

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

  • Anonymous

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

    I know it’s irrelevant, but she really was a gorgeous child. And, even more irrelevantly, one of our cats is named Bianca…

    Please keep us posted, those in the know. I would really like to know the outcome.

  • Anonymous

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

    I know it’s irrelevant, but she really was a gorgeous child. And, even more irrelevantly, one of our cats is named Bianca…

    Please keep us posted, those in the know. I would really like to know the outcome.

  • Anonymous

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

    I know it’s irrelevant, but she really was a gorgeous child. And, even more irrelevantly, one of our cats is named Bianca…

    Please keep us posted, those in the know. I would really like to know the outcome.

  • Anonymous

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

    I know it’s irrelevant, but she really was a gorgeous child. And, even more irrelevantly, one of our cats is named Bianca…

    Please keep us posted, those in the know. I would really like to know the outcome.

  • sugarglider

    this really brings tears to my eyes because u can def. see the love in that beautiful baby girls face.. the love she had for her mother. she was absolutly beautiful. so pure so innocent. so sad…. =[ R.I.P. Bianca

    I know it’s irrelevant, but she really was a gorgeous child. And, even more irrelevantly, one of our cats is named Bianca…

    Please keep us posted, those in the know. I would really like to know the outcome.

  • porcelain

    Another interesting twist…

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=126842664&blogID=441193219

    She must think Karrae was responsible ..why else would she have wished Bianca be adopted out?

  • porcelain

    Another interesting twist…

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=126842664&blogID=441193219

    She must think Karrae was responsible ..why else would she have wished Bianca be adopted out?

  • porcelain

    Another interesting twist…

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=126842664&blogID=441193219

    She must think Karrae was responsible ..why else would she have wished Bianca be adopted out?

  • porcelain

    Another interesting twist…

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=126842664&blogID=441193219

    She must think Karrae was responsible ..why else would she have wished Bianca be adopted out?

  • porcelain

    Another interesting twist…

    http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=126842664&blogID=441193219

    She must think Karrae was responsible ..why else would she have wished Bianca be adopted out?

  • porcelain

    caitlin_ladyc
    Oct 15, 2008 at 11:12 am -

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Holy shit!

    So you lied on your little news cameo?

    You and your father did CPR?
    Every day it’s something new..
    I’m starting to think your family is full of shit..Why all the damned lies and stories?

  • porcelain

    caitlin_ladyc
    Oct 15, 2008 at 11:12 am -

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Holy shit!

    So you lied on your little news cameo?

    You and your father did CPR?
    Every day it’s something new..
    I’m starting to think your family is full of shit..Why all the damned lies and stories?

  • porcelain

    caitlin_ladyc
    Oct 15, 2008 at 11:12 am -

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Holy shit!

    So you lied on your little news cameo?

    You and your father did CPR?
    Every day it’s something new..
    I’m starting to think your family is full of shit..Why all the damned lies and stories?

  • porcelain

    caitlin_ladyc
    Oct 15, 2008 at 11:12 am -

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Holy shit!

    So you lied on your little news cameo?

    You and your father did CPR?
    Every day it’s something new..
    I’m starting to think your family is full of shit..Why all the damned lies and stories?

  • porcelain

    caitlin_ladyc
    Oct 15, 2008 at 11:12 am -

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Holy shit!

    So you lied on your little news cameo?

    You and your father did CPR?
    Every day it’s something new..
    I’m starting to think your family is full of shit..Why all the damned lies and stories?

  • Anonymous

    I iz cornfused.

  • Anonymous

    I iz cornfused.

  • Anonymous

    I iz cornfused.

  • sugarglider

    I iz cornfused.

  • Concerned Citizen

    I could not handle being 22 and having three kids”

    Then I guess she should’ve kept her legs together, eh?
    Way to go with the responsibility there Ma. You obviously raised your children right.

  • Concerned Citizen

    I could not handle being 22 and having three kids”

    Then I guess she should’ve kept her legs together, eh?
    Way to go with the responsibility there Ma. You obviously raised your children right.

  • Concerned Citizen

    I could not handle being 22 and having three kids”

    Then I guess she should’ve kept her legs together, eh?
    Way to go with the responsibility there Ma. You obviously raised your children right.

  • Concerned Citizen

    I could not handle being 22 and having three kids”

    Then I guess she should’ve kept her legs together, eh?
    Way to go with the responsibility there Ma. You obviously raised your children right.

  • Concerned Citizen

    I could not handle being 22 and having three kids”

    Then I guess she should’ve kept her legs together, eh?
    Way to go with the responsibility there Ma. You obviously raised your children right.

  • mishdabrat

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

  • mishdabrat

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

  • mishdabrat

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

  • mishdabrat

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

  • mishdabrat

    “okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

  • Anonymous

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

  • Anonymous

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

  • Anonymous

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

  • Anonymous

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

  • sugarglider

    Theory – they are pissed about our comments and think they can have the last laugh by misleading us with bullshit they think we are stupid enough to believe. Sorry, Caitlin_Ladyc that’s not gonna happen here on the DD. Give it a try over on http://www.shitforbrains.com , I understand they’ll buy into any story over there.

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

  • mishdabrat

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

    **big cheesy smile**

  • mishdabrat

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

    **big cheesy smile**

  • mishdabrat

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

    **big cheesy smile**

  • mishdabrat

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

    **big cheesy smile**

  • mishdabrat

    Youuuuuu are the wiiiiiiind beneeeeath myyyyyy winggggggs.

    **big cheesy smile**

  • Max The Cat

    ” Wednesday, October 15, 2008

    DCFS nightmares

    My worst nightmare was that DCFS would take BIANCA and adopt her out.Now my nightmare is that they didn’t
    I just found out from the funeral home that DCFS is responsible for paying for Biancas funeral. I dont want them to do that because the State has screwed my family enough….however if they were responsible for the funeral…does that mean they were responsible for Biancas well being…I see a wrongful death suit coming out of this somewhere.
    Perhaps the only good that will come out of it is maybe we can get adoption laws changed so it easier for people who want kids to get them.”

    —From Deirdre’s Myspace blog

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happened. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.
    Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?
    If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

  • Max The Cat

    ” Wednesday, October 15, 2008

    DCFS nightmares

    My worst nightmare was that DCFS would take BIANCA and adopt her out.Now my nightmare is that they didn’t
    I just found out from the funeral home that DCFS is responsible for paying for Biancas funeral. I dont want them to do that because the State has screwed my family enough….however if they were responsible for the funeral…does that mean they were responsible for Biancas well being…I see a wrongful death suit coming out of this somewhere.
    Perhaps the only good that will come out of it is maybe we can get adoption laws changed so it easier for people who want kids to get them.”

    —From Deirdre’s Myspace blog

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happened. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.
    Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?
    If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

  • Max The Cat

    ” Wednesday, October 15, 2008

    DCFS nightmares

    My worst nightmare was that DCFS would take BIANCA and adopt her out.Now my nightmare is that they didn’t
    I just found out from the funeral home that DCFS is responsible for paying for Biancas funeral. I dont want them to do that because the State has screwed my family enough….however if they were responsible for the funeral…does that mean they were responsible for Biancas well being…I see a wrongful death suit coming out of this somewhere.
    Perhaps the only good that will come out of it is maybe we can get adoption laws changed so it easier for people who want kids to get them.”

    —From Deirdre’s Myspace blog

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happened. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.
    Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?
    If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

  • Max The Cat

    ” Wednesday, October 15, 2008

    DCFS nightmares

    My worst nightmare was that DCFS would take BIANCA and adopt her out.Now my nightmare is that they didn’t
    I just found out from the funeral home that DCFS is responsible for paying for Biancas funeral. I dont want them to do that because the State has screwed my family enough….however if they were responsible for the funeral…does that mean they were responsible for Biancas well being…I see a wrongful death suit coming out of this somewhere.
    Perhaps the only good that will come out of it is maybe we can get adoption laws changed so it easier for people who want kids to get them.”

    —From Deirdre’s Myspace blog

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happened. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.
    Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?
    If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

  • Max The Cat

    ” Wednesday, October 15, 2008

    DCFS nightmares

    My worst nightmare was that DCFS would take BIANCA and adopt her out.Now my nightmare is that they didn’t
    I just found out from the funeral home that DCFS is responsible for paying for Biancas funeral. I dont want them to do that because the State has screwed my family enough….however if they were responsible for the funeral…does that mean they were responsible for Biancas well being…I see a wrongful death suit coming out of this somewhere.
    Perhaps the only good that will come out of it is maybe we can get adoption laws changed so it easier for people who want kids to get them.”

    —From Deirdre’s Myspace blog

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happened. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.
    Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?
    If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

  • Lilbay

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.
    I am unsure if anyone has access to Karrae’s page but i agree Frankly I would put them all private and as i said in my post shut the hell up.
    But hey some people like the attention. Reminds me of training parrots really. If one yells at the bird They will continue to scream and bite
    ANY kind of attention they view as good attention. This family seems to be the same way in regrds to attention.

  • Lilbay

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.
    I am unsure if anyone has access to Karrae’s page but i agree Frankly I would put them all private and as i said in my post shut the hell up.
    But hey some people like the attention. Reminds me of training parrots really. If one yells at the bird They will continue to scream and bite
    ANY kind of attention they view as good attention. This family seems to be the same way in regrds to attention.

  • Lilbay

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.
    I am unsure if anyone has access to Karrae’s page but i agree Frankly I would put them all private and as i said in my post shut the hell up.
    But hey some people like the attention. Reminds me of training parrots really. If one yells at the bird They will continue to scream and bite
    ANY kind of attention they view as good attention. This family seems to be the same way in regrds to attention.

  • Lilbay

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.
    I am unsure if anyone has access to Karrae’s page but i agree Frankly I would put them all private and as i said in my post shut the hell up.
    But hey some people like the attention. Reminds me of training parrots really. If one yells at the bird They will continue to scream and bite
    ANY kind of attention they view as good attention. This family seems to be the same way in regrds to attention.

  • Lilbay

    One or two things really bug me about this message. First, if someone hacked into Deirdre’s Myspace account and planted that little message, why is it still there 2 days later? I know I would have deleted it and gone private a long time ago.Second, why change your story now? There’s absolutely no mention of you being there on your news interview. Now we hear that not only were you there, but you helped perform CPR! Which is it?If you’re trying to help Karrae, the best thing I think you personally could do is shut the fuck up. With people like you and her sister Deirdre on her side, she’s on the fast track to a life sentence

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.
    I am unsure if anyone has access to Karrae’s page but i agree Frankly I would put them all private and as i said in my post shut the hell up.
    But hey some people like the attention. Reminds me of training parrots really. If one yells at the bird They will continue to scream and bite
    ANY kind of attention they view as good attention. This family seems to be the same way in regrds to attention.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    DCFS nightmares

    My worst nightmare was that DCFS would take BIANCA and adopt her out.Now my nightmare is that they didn’t
    I just found out from the funeral home that DCFS is responsible for paying for Biancas funeral. I dont want them to do that because the State has screwed my family enough….however if they were responsible for the funeral…does that mean they were responsible for Biancas well being…I see a wrongful death suit coming out of this somewhere.
    Perhaps the only good that will come out of it is maybe we can get adoption laws changed so it easier for people who want kids to get them.”

    —From Deirdre’s Myspace blog

    OK… I don’t know about anyone else – but if this were my mom I’d seriously disown her! Maybe that’s why she can’t get in to see Karrae… cuz Karrae wishes this bitch would go away!

    “Wrongful death suit”? Bitch PLEASE!! Money hungry, greedy, selfish, self-centered CUNT!
    Your GRANDDAUGHTER is DEAD and your DAUGHTER is in JAIL facing a LIFE SENTENCE and you are thinking about MONEY?

    You are the lowest of the lowest form of life. If Karrae is found innocent, I hope she runs as far away from you as she can possibly get.

    As for your “adoption” solution? Kids shouldn’t just go to people who want them… they should go to people who deserve them. I’m sure at one point you wanted kids…. you just never deserved them.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    DCFS nightmares

    My worst nightmare was that DCFS would take BIANCA and adopt her out.Now my nightmare is that they didn’t
    I just found out from the funeral home that DCFS is responsible for paying for Biancas funeral. I dont want them to do that because the State has screwed my family enough….however if they were responsible for the funeral…does that mean they were responsible for Biancas well being…I see a wrongful death suit coming out of this somewhere.
    Perhaps the only good that will come out of it is maybe we can get adoption laws changed so it easier for people who want kids to get them.”

    —From Deirdre’s Myspace blog

    OK… I don’t know about anyone else – but if this were my mom I’d seriously disown her! Maybe that’s why she can’t get in to see Karrae… cuz Karrae wishes this bitch would go away!

    “Wrongful death suit”? Bitch PLEASE!! Money hungry, greedy, selfish, self-centered CUNT!
    Your GRANDDAUGHTER is DEAD and your DAUGHTER is in JAIL facing a LIFE SENTENCE and you are thinking about MONEY?

    You are the lowest of the lowest form of life. If Karrae is found innocent, I hope she runs as far away from you as she can possibly get.

    As for your “adoption” solution? Kids shouldn’t just go to people who want them… they should go to people who deserve them. I’m sure at one point you wanted kids…. you just never deserved them.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    DCFS nightmares

    My worst nightmare was that DCFS would take BIANCA and adopt her out.Now my nightmare is that they didn’t
    I just found out from the funeral home that DCFS is responsible for paying for Biancas funeral. I dont want them to do that because the State has screwed my family enough….however if they were responsible for the funeral…does that mean they were responsible for Biancas well being…I see a wrongful death suit coming out of this somewhere.
    Perhaps the only good that will come out of it is maybe we can get adoption laws changed so it easier for people who want kids to get them.”

    —From Deirdre’s Myspace blog

    OK… I don’t know about anyone else – but if this were my mom I’d seriously disown her! Maybe that’s why she can’t get in to see Karrae… cuz Karrae wishes this bitch would go away!

    “Wrongful death suit”? Bitch PLEASE!! Money hungry, greedy, selfish, self-centered CUNT!
    Your GRANDDAUGHTER is DEAD and your DAUGHTER is in JAIL facing a LIFE SENTENCE and you are thinking about MONEY?

    You are the lowest of the lowest form of life. If Karrae is found innocent, I hope she runs as far away from you as she can possibly get.

    As for your “adoption” solution? Kids shouldn’t just go to people who want them… they should go to people who deserve them. I’m sure at one point you wanted kids…. you just never deserved them.

  • Zibarro

    DCFS nightmares

    My worst nightmare was that DCFS would take BIANCA and adopt her out.Now my nightmare is that they didn’t
    I just found out from the funeral home that DCFS is responsible for paying for Biancas funeral. I dont want them to do that because the State has screwed my family enough….however if they were responsible for the funeral…does that mean they were responsible for Biancas well being…I see a wrongful death suit coming out of this somewhere.
    Perhaps the only good that will come out of it is maybe we can get adoption laws changed so it easier for people who want kids to get them.”

    —From Deirdre’s Myspace blog

    OK… I don’t know about anyone else – but if this were my mom I’d seriously disown her! Maybe that’s why she can’t get in to see Karrae… cuz Karrae wishes this bitch would go away!

    “Wrongful death suit”? Bitch PLEASE!! Money hungry, greedy, selfish, self-centered CUNT!
    Your GRANDDAUGHTER is DEAD and your DAUGHTER is in JAIL facing a LIFE SENTENCE and you are thinking about MONEY?

    You are the lowest of the lowest form of life. If Karrae is found innocent, I hope she runs as far away from you as she can possibly get.

    As for your “adoption” solution? Kids shouldn’t just go to people who want them… they should go to people who deserve them. I’m sure at one point you wanted kids…. you just never deserved them.

  • Max The Cat

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.

    Woops. Thanks for the corrections LILBAY. With all the changing stories, I guess I did get more than a little mixed up with the players.

  • Max The Cat

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.

    Woops. Thanks for the corrections LILBAY. With all the changing stories, I guess I did get more than a little mixed up with the players.

  • Max The Cat

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.

    Woops. Thanks for the corrections LILBAY. With all the changing stories, I guess I did get more than a little mixed up with the players.

  • Max The Cat

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.

    Woops. Thanks for the corrections LILBAY. With all the changing stories, I guess I did get more than a little mixed up with the players.

  • Max The Cat

    I think you have it a bit mixed up Max
    Deirdre is Karrae’s MOM Not her sister.
    The Sister was the one who now stated she was in the room and there when the child died.
    The page that was supposed to have been hacked was Karrae’s myspace NOT Deirdres.

    Woops. Thanks for the corrections LILBAY. With all the changing stories, I guess I did get more than a little mixed up with the players.

  • porcelain

    Hey..isn’t her(Karraes) court date tomorrow?

    I think I remember reading that online somewhere…

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

  • porcelain

    Hey..isn’t her(Karraes) court date tomorrow?

    I think I remember reading that online somewhere…

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

  • porcelain

    Hey..isn’t her(Karraes) court date tomorrow?

    I think I remember reading that online somewhere…

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

  • Anonymous

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    Like you, I am very interested in what comes of this case. Quite often, it seems cut and dried. This one, not so much.

  • Anonymous

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    Like you, I am very interested in what comes of this case. Quite often, it seems cut and dried. This one, not so much.

  • Anonymous

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    Like you, I am very interested in what comes of this case. Quite often, it seems cut and dried. This one, not so much.

  • Anonymous

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    Like you, I am very interested in what comes of this case. Quite often, it seems cut and dried. This one, not so much.

  • Anonymous

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    Like you, I am very interested in what comes of this case. Quite often, it seems cut and dried. This one, not so much.

  • sugarglider

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    Like you, I am very interested in what comes of this case. Quite often, it seems cut and dried. This one, not so much.

  • noonereally

    Still haven’t been able to find out any new info on this one, but I did find her on the Williamson Co. court record database – looks like she has a pre-trial hearing set for 12/1/08.

    http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL100025J&ocl=IL100025J,2008CF451,IL100025JL2008CF451D1

  • noonereally

    Still haven’t been able to find out any new info on this one, but I did find her on the Williamson Co. court record database – looks like she has a pre-trial hearing set for 12/1/08.

    http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL100025J&ocl=IL100025J,2008CF451,IL100025JL2008CF451D1

  • noonereally

    Still haven’t been able to find out any new info on this one, but I did find her on the Williamson Co. court record database – looks like she has a pre-trial hearing set for 12/1/08.

    http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL100025J&ocl=IL100025J,2008CF451,IL100025JL2008CF451D1

  • noonereally

    Still haven’t been able to find out any new info on this one, but I did find her on the Williamson Co. court record database – looks like she has a pre-trial hearing set for 12/1/08.

    http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL100025J&ocl=IL100025J,2008CF451,IL100025JL2008CF451D1

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Seems her little Sister is following behind her with having a baby as a early teen Let’s all pray she does not follow her all the way in her foot steps though.

    um excuse me, but you don’t know me bitch. just because your a young mom doesn’t make you life dramtic…..I had a child young so did my sister ….so what….you ain’t god…..you don’t get to judge us.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Seems her little Sister is following behind her with having a baby as a early teen Let’s all pray she does not follow her all the way in her foot steps though.

    um excuse me, but you don’t know me bitch. just because your a young mom doesn’t make you life dramtic…..I had a child young so did my sister ….so what….you ain’t god…..you don’t get to judge us.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Seems her little Sister is following behind her with having a baby as a early teen Let’s all pray she does not follow her all the way in her foot steps though.

    um excuse me, but you don’t know me bitch. just because your a young mom doesn’t make you life dramtic…..I had a child young so did my sister ….so what….you ain’t god…..you don’t get to judge us.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Seems her little Sister is following behind her with having a baby as a early teen Let’s all pray she does not follow her all the way in her foot steps though.

    um excuse me, but you don’t know me bitch. just because your a young mom doesn’t make you life dramtic…..I had a child young so did my sister ….so what….you ain’t god…..you don’t get to judge us.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Seems her little Sister is following behind her with having a baby as a early teen Let’s all pray she does not follow her all the way in her foot steps though.

    um excuse me, but you don’t know me bitch. just because your a young mom doesn’t make you life dramtic…..I had a child young so did my sister ….so what….you ain’t god…..you don’t get to judge us.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    yeah cause you ain’t got nothing else to do with your little pathetic life

  • caitlin_ladyc

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    yeah cause you ain’t got nothing else to do with your little pathetic life

  • caitlin_ladyc

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    yeah cause you ain’t got nothing else to do with your little pathetic life

  • caitlin_ladyc

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    yeah cause you ain’t got nothing else to do with your little pathetic life

  • caitlin_ladyc

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    yeah cause you ain’t got nothing else to do with your little pathetic life

  • caitlin_ladyc

    I scour the web every day looking for updates on this case.

    yeah cause you ain’t got nothing else to do with your little pathetic life

  • caitlin_ladyc

    There are many different factors.1.She was drunk and covered with her baby’s blood2.We just found out she was on meds for bi polar disorder3.Baby”just gave a look and had blood coming out of her nose and foam coming out of her mouth and she fell backwards”.

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    There are many different factors.1.She was drunk and covered with her baby’s blood2.We just found out she was on meds for bi polar disorder3.Baby”just gave a look and had blood coming out of her nose and foam coming out of her mouth and she fell backwards”.

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    There are many different factors.1.She was drunk and covered with her baby’s blood2.We just found out she was on meds for bi polar disorder3.Baby”just gave a look and had blood coming out of her nose and foam coming out of her mouth and she fell backwards”.

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    There are many different factors.1.She was drunk and covered with her baby’s blood2.We just found out she was on meds for bi polar disorder3.Baby”just gave a look and had blood coming out of her nose and foam coming out of her mouth and she fell backwards”.

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    There are many different factors.1.She was drunk and covered with her baby’s blood2.We just found out she was on meds for bi polar disorder3.Baby”just gave a look and had blood coming out of her nose and foam coming out of her mouth and she fell backwards”.

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    this was taken fromwhen karrae’s myspace was hacked.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    this was taken fromwhen karrae’s myspace was hacked.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    this was taken fromwhen karrae’s myspace was hacked.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    this was taken fromwhen karrae’s myspace was hacked.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    this was taken fromwhen karrae’s myspace was hacked.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Caitlin, you stupid, messed up twit.

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!
    Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    Convenient excuse about her myspace being hacked! I don’t believe that for a second.

    Lastly, you and Mommy Dearest keep burying Karrae deeper and deeper every time you open your mouths or type something else. I pray to God she moves far away from all of you if she’s found innocent. You’re both no more than concrete blocks around her neck dragging her down to an abyss she’ll never crawl out of.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Caitlin, you stupid, messed up twit.

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!
    Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    Convenient excuse about her myspace being hacked! I don’t believe that for a second.

    Lastly, you and Mommy Dearest keep burying Karrae deeper and deeper every time you open your mouths or type something else. I pray to God she moves far away from all of you if she’s found innocent. You’re both no more than concrete blocks around her neck dragging her down to an abyss she’ll never crawl out of.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Caitlin, you stupid, messed up twit.

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!
    Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    Convenient excuse about her myspace being hacked! I don’t believe that for a second.

    Lastly, you and Mommy Dearest keep burying Karrae deeper and deeper every time you open your mouths or type something else. I pray to God she moves far away from all of you if she’s found innocent. You’re both no more than concrete blocks around her neck dragging her down to an abyss she’ll never crawl out of.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Caitlin, you stupid, messed up twit.

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!
    Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    Convenient excuse about her myspace being hacked! I don’t believe that for a second.

    Lastly, you and Mommy Dearest keep burying Karrae deeper and deeper every time you open your mouths or type something else. I pray to God she moves far away from all of you if she’s found innocent. You’re both no more than concrete blocks around her neck dragging her down to an abyss she’ll never crawl out of.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Caitlin, you stupid, messed up twit.

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!
    Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    Convenient excuse about her myspace being hacked! I don’t believe that for a second.

    Lastly, you and Mommy Dearest keep burying Karrae deeper and deeper every time you open your mouths or type something else. I pray to God she moves far away from all of you if she’s found innocent. You’re both no more than concrete blocks around her neck dragging her down to an abyss she’ll never crawl out of.

  • Zibarro

    Caitlin, you stupid, messed up twit.

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!
    Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    Convenient excuse about her myspace being hacked! I don’t believe that for a second.

    Lastly, you and Mommy Dearest keep burying Karrae deeper and deeper every time you open your mouths or type something else. I pray to God she moves far away from all of you if she’s found innocent. You’re both no more than concrete blocks around her neck dragging her down to an abyss she’ll never crawl out of.

  • caitlin_ladyc

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  • caitlin_ladyc

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

  • caitlin_ladyc

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

  • caitlin_ladyc

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

  • caitlin_ladyc

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

  • caitlin_ladyc

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

  • caitlin_ladyc

    First of all… don’t come on here and call someone a “bitch” and expect to get away with it you illiterate CUNT. You’re young and stupid and having a baby out of wedlock – your life is FULL of drama!Don’t want to be judged? Tough shit! You put yourself out there and it’s gonna happen. Deal with it or STFU.

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming.

    I do? What’s that?
    Yes, you are both.

    i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN.

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    “Get away with it”? WTF does that mean? I’m not trying to “get away with” anything. I’m speaking my mind, just as you are. I didn’t say “SHIT” about your child. A bit sensitive about the subject, are we?

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Put on your big girl panties if you want to post here. Whiny twits who attack other members like you did get it back 20 fold. If ya wanna swim with the big fishies… quit being such a guppy!

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming.

    I do? What’s that?
    Yes, you are both.

    i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN.

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    “Get away with it”? WTF does that mean? I’m not trying to “get away with” anything. I’m speaking my mind, just as you are. I didn’t say “SHIT” about your child. A bit sensitive about the subject, are we?

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Put on your big girl panties if you want to post here. Whiny twits who attack other members like you did get it back 20 fold. If ya wanna swim with the big fishies… quit being such a guppy!

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming.

    I do? What’s that?
    Yes, you are both.

    i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN.

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    “Get away with it”? WTF does that mean? I’m not trying to “get away with” anything. I’m speaking my mind, just as you are. I didn’t say “SHIT” about your child. A bit sensitive about the subject, are we?

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Put on your big girl panties if you want to post here. Whiny twits who attack other members like you did get it back 20 fold. If ya wanna swim with the big fishies… quit being such a guppy!

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming.

    I do? What’s that?
    Yes, you are both.

    i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN.

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    “Get away with it”? WTF does that mean? I’m not trying to “get away with” anything. I’m speaking my mind, just as you are. I didn’t say “SHIT” about your child. A bit sensitive about the subject, are we?

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Put on your big girl panties if you want to post here. Whiny twits who attack other members like you did get it back 20 fold. If ya wanna swim with the big fishies… quit being such a guppy!

  • Zibarro

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming.

    I do? What’s that?
    Yes, you are both.

    i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN.

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    “Get away with it”? WTF does that mean? I’m not trying to “get away with” anything. I’m speaking my mind, just as you are. I didn’t say “SHIT” about your child. A bit sensitive about the subject, are we?

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Put on your big girl panties if you want to post here. Whiny twits who attack other members like you did get it back 20 fold. If ya wanna swim with the big fishies… quit being such a guppy!

  • penelopejo

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

    1. how do you confuse drunk with doing CPR?
    2. how do you not know that your own sister has bi-polar?
    3. how does someone hack into a myspace and change the title from “i’m a real crazy bitch” to “it’s your care bear” unless if it is family trying to hide anything that would make her seem crazy.

    See its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it.

    See, your not speaking facts. Even though the “real” autopsy report has not came yet, something told them that she kill her daughter by placing her hand over her mouth and nose. And honey, we’re not talking shit about you and your child, we’re talking shit about Karrae. Unless if your her mother that’s disguising them self as one of your other daughters. Then that would make perfect sense cause see, they did talk trash about you and your daughter. So who are you really since this is your “first” time posting although there are like 6 other comments from your user name.

  • penelopejo

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

    1. how do you confuse drunk with doing CPR?
    2. how do you not know that your own sister has bi-polar?
    3. how does someone hack into a myspace and change the title from “i’m a real crazy bitch” to “it’s your care bear” unless if it is family trying to hide anything that would make her seem crazy.

    See its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it.

    See, your not speaking facts. Even though the “real” autopsy report has not came yet, something told them that she kill her daughter by placing her hand over her mouth and nose. And honey, we’re not talking shit about you and your child, we’re talking shit about Karrae. Unless if your her mother that’s disguising them self as one of your other daughters. Then that would make perfect sense cause see, they did talk trash about you and your daughter. So who are you really since this is your “first” time posting although there are like 6 other comments from your user name.

  • penelopejo

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

    1. how do you confuse drunk with doing CPR?
    2. how do you not know that your own sister has bi-polar?
    3. how does someone hack into a myspace and change the title from “i’m a real crazy bitch” to “it’s your care bear” unless if it is family trying to hide anything that would make her seem crazy.

    See its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it.

    See, your not speaking facts. Even though the “real” autopsy report has not came yet, something told them that she kill her daughter by placing her hand over her mouth and nose. And honey, we’re not talking shit about you and your child, we’re talking shit about Karrae. Unless if your her mother that’s disguising them self as one of your other daughters. Then that would make perfect sense cause see, they did talk trash about you and your daughter. So who are you really since this is your “first” time posting although there are like 6 other comments from your user name.

  • penelopejo

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

    1. how do you confuse drunk with doing CPR?
    2. how do you not know that your own sister has bi-polar?
    3. how does someone hack into a myspace and change the title from “i’m a real crazy bitch” to “it’s your care bear” unless if it is family trying to hide anything that would make her seem crazy.

    See its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it.

    See, your not speaking facts. Even though the “real” autopsy report has not came yet, something told them that she kill her daughter by placing her hand over her mouth and nose. And honey, we’re not talking shit about you and your child, we’re talking shit about Karrae. Unless if your her mother that’s disguising them self as one of your other daughters. Then that would make perfect sense cause see, they did talk trash about you and your daughter. So who are you really since this is your “first” time posting although there are like 6 other comments from your user name.

  • penelopejo

    truth to these so called “facts”
    1. she wasn’t “drunk” and she was doing C.P.R
    2.if she was on meds for bi-polar…then she was only tryin to better herself
    3. that “quote” that you got was when someone hacked into her myspace and wrote a ridiculous story.

    1. how do you confuse drunk with doing CPR?
    2. how do you not know that your own sister has bi-polar?
    3. how does someone hack into a myspace and change the title from “i’m a real crazy bitch” to “it’s your care bear” unless if it is family trying to hide anything that would make her seem crazy.

    See its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it.

    See, your not speaking facts. Even though the “real” autopsy report has not came yet, something told them that she kill her daughter by placing her hand over her mouth and nose. And honey, we’re not talking shit about you and your child, we’re talking shit about Karrae. Unless if your her mother that’s disguising them self as one of your other daughters. Then that would make perfect sense cause see, they did talk trash about you and your daughter. So who are you really since this is your “first” time posting although there are like 6 other comments from your user name.

  • whispers_wing

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    first of all i dont buy it,,if this was written by the mother in jail im guessing she doesnt have a lawyer,nobody charged with murder would be allowed by her lawyer to lay all the “facts” out there like that (unless she shares casey anthonys lawyer)but the fact remains the same a child isnt completely healthy bubbly one minute and falls back bleeding and foaming at the mouth,fact is if you are the only person home with the child your the main and only suspect so cough out the truth save the tax payers money on a lawyer they will pay for and take it like a woman whos guilty of killing her child,,hey maybe you can bunk with casey anthony and join the scott peterson pen pal chain

  • whispers_wing

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    first of all i dont buy it,,if this was written by the mother in jail im guessing she doesnt have a lawyer,nobody charged with murder would be allowed by her lawyer to lay all the “facts” out there like that (unless she shares casey anthonys lawyer)but the fact remains the same a child isnt completely healthy bubbly one minute and falls back bleeding and foaming at the mouth,fact is if you are the only person home with the child your the main and only suspect so cough out the truth save the tax payers money on a lawyer they will pay for and take it like a woman whos guilty of killing her child,,hey maybe you can bunk with casey anthony and join the scott peterson pen pal chain

  • whispers_wing

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    first of all i dont buy it,,if this was written by the mother in jail im guessing she doesnt have a lawyer,nobody charged with murder would be allowed by her lawyer to lay all the “facts” out there like that (unless she shares casey anthonys lawyer)but the fact remains the same a child isnt completely healthy bubbly one minute and falls back bleeding and foaming at the mouth,fact is if you are the only person home with the child your the main and only suspect so cough out the truth save the tax payers money on a lawyer they will pay for and take it like a woman whos guilty of killing her child,,hey maybe you can bunk with casey anthony and join the scott peterson pen pal chain

  • whispers_wing

    Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918

    first of all i dont buy it,,if this was written by the mother in jail im guessing she doesnt have a lawyer,nobody charged with murder would be allowed by her lawyer to lay all the “facts” out there like that (unless she shares casey anthonys lawyer)but the fact remains the same a child isnt completely healthy bubbly one minute and falls back bleeding and foaming at the mouth,fact is if you are the only person home with the child your the main and only suspect so cough out the truth save the tax payers money on a lawyer they will pay for and take it like a woman whos guilty of killing her child,,hey maybe you can bunk with casey anthony and join the scott peterson pen pal chain

  • buggysmommy

    I have been sick over this from the first day I read it…

    My heart aches for this little girl-however she died, she died too soon. Whether her mother really killed her or not-it was no way to die. Especially at 3 years old…

    I honestly don’t have any opinion on this-it’s horrifying to think what it would be like to see my child die like that, much less to see her die at all. I feel angry inside when I consider that she did kill that baby-but I feel sad for her when I look at the picture and wonder how she must feel. To never be able to touch her again, or see her smile, or be there in the morning when she wakes up with sleepy eyes and a big smile on her face. I know that for myself-to say I would be lost without my baby would be an understatement. I also know that if I lost her-I would probably shrivel up and die.

    So since Karre is not dead from depression over the loss of her beautiful Bianca-perhaps that in itself sheds light on her role in all of this…

    God love you and bless you beautiful Bianca. God help you Karre-however the facts play out. Whether you did it or not, you have to live with it for the rest of your life-and that will require all the help you can get.

  • buggysmommy

    I have been sick over this from the first day I read it…

    My heart aches for this little girl-however she died, she died too soon. Whether her mother really killed her or not-it was no way to die. Especially at 3 years old…

    I honestly don’t have any opinion on this-it’s horrifying to think what it would be like to see my child die like that, much less to see her die at all. I feel angry inside when I consider that she did kill that baby-but I feel sad for her when I look at the picture and wonder how she must feel. To never be able to touch her again, or see her smile, or be there in the morning when she wakes up with sleepy eyes and a big smile on her face. I know that for myself-to say I would be lost without my baby would be an understatement. I also know that if I lost her-I would probably shrivel up and die.

    So since Karre is not dead from depression over the loss of her beautiful Bianca-perhaps that in itself sheds light on her role in all of this…

    God love you and bless you beautiful Bianca. God help you Karre-however the facts play out. Whether you did it or not, you have to live with it for the rest of your life-and that will require all the help you can get.

  • buggysmommy

    I have been sick over this from the first day I read it…

    My heart aches for this little girl-however she died, she died too soon. Whether her mother really killed her or not-it was no way to die. Especially at 3 years old…

    I honestly don’t have any opinion on this-it’s horrifying to think what it would be like to see my child die like that, much less to see her die at all. I feel angry inside when I consider that she did kill that baby-but I feel sad for her when I look at the picture and wonder how she must feel. To never be able to touch her again, or see her smile, or be there in the morning when she wakes up with sleepy eyes and a big smile on her face. I know that for myself-to say I would be lost without my baby would be an understatement. I also know that if I lost her-I would probably shrivel up and die.

    So since Karre is not dead from depression over the loss of her beautiful Bianca-perhaps that in itself sheds light on her role in all of this…

    God love you and bless you beautiful Bianca. God help you Karre-however the facts play out. Whether you did it or not, you have to live with it for the rest of your life-and that will require all the help you can get.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    PENELOPEJO you rock! You laid it out there perfectly!

    Here are some previous posts from “Caitlin”
    Odd how these are so very similar to today’s posts — considering this is your “first time.” Puleeezzzee!

    she said that she had just put bianca in bed and she started to close the bedroom door but she saw bianca’s expression and saw the blood and foam and tried to keep her alive but couldn’t. when the police got there karrae was really hysterical and she was saying that she was going to kill herself because she had no reason left to live. karrae was blaming herself for bianca’s death.. and still is because she couldn’t keep bianca alive. she was appointed a lawyer because she couldn’t afford to get her own and the police aren’t yet done with their investigation.. but i really hope that they get done soon.. because it hurts so bad to hear all these things about karrae that aren’t true from people that don’t know her.

    caitlin_ladyc
    Oct 15, 2008 at 11:12 am –

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    C’mon guppy… Ignore or bash what I say if you must, but PenelopeJo asked 3 very pertinent questions to you. She also made other good points. Now what? Gonna call Penelope a bitch too? Is that all you got when you’re cornered?

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    PENELOPEJO you rock! You laid it out there perfectly!

    Here are some previous posts from “Caitlin”
    Odd how these are so very similar to today’s posts — considering this is your “first time.” Puleeezzzee!

    she said that she had just put bianca in bed and she started to close the bedroom door but she saw bianca’s expression and saw the blood and foam and tried to keep her alive but couldn’t. when the police got there karrae was really hysterical and she was saying that she was going to kill herself because she had no reason left to live. karrae was blaming herself for bianca’s death.. and still is because she couldn’t keep bianca alive. she was appointed a lawyer because she couldn’t afford to get her own and the police aren’t yet done with their investigation.. but i really hope that they get done soon.. because it hurts so bad to hear all these things about karrae that aren’t true from people that don’t know her.

    caitlin_ladyc
    Oct 15, 2008 at 11:12 am –

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    C’mon guppy… Ignore or bash what I say if you must, but PenelopeJo asked 3 very pertinent questions to you. She also made other good points. Now what? Gonna call Penelope a bitch too? Is that all you got when you’re cornered?

  • Zibarro

    PENELOPEJO you rock! You laid it out there perfectly!

    Here are some previous posts from “Caitlin”
    Odd how these are so very similar to today’s posts — considering this is your “first time.” Puleeezzzee!

    she said that she had just put bianca in bed and she started to close the bedroom door but she saw bianca’s expression and saw the blood and foam and tried to keep her alive but couldn’t. when the police got there karrae was really hysterical and she was saying that she was going to kill herself because she had no reason left to live. karrae was blaming herself for bianca’s death.. and still is because she couldn’t keep bianca alive. she was appointed a lawyer because she couldn’t afford to get her own and the police aren’t yet done with their investigation.. but i really hope that they get done soon.. because it hurts so bad to hear all these things about karrae that aren’t true from people that don’t know her.

    caitlin_ladyc
    Oct 15, 2008 at 11:12 am –

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    C’mon guppy… Ignore or bash what I say if you must, but PenelopeJo asked 3 very pertinent questions to you. She also made other good points. Now what? Gonna call Penelope a bitch too? Is that all you got when you’re cornered?

  • buggysmommy

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Caitlin,
    I have no negative response for you-I think this whole situation is so disheartening and sad, so when I say this-please try to embrace it.

    Your neice is gone. She is never coming back. You are young, as your sister is too. I have five sisters, so I can appreciate your defense of her. However-you are going about it all wrong.

    This site is not for defending the bad guy. We are human, some of us have children and the ones that don’t are very passionate about the loss of innocence. We come here for a purpose-because things of this magnitude make us angry and perhaps it’s our way of avengeing the young lives lost. Hell, it’s about avengeing all innocent lives lost. You see, as a whole-we can only do so much. We can’t be there to put the facts together, and determine what really went down. So we rant amongst ourselvs, call perpetraters names and pray for the innocent.

    You have to understand that before you lose all sense of dignity and pride by going off on our reactions. If you come here, try to view the conversation and take it in and above all else, imagine yourself in our shoes. We mean well, especially by Bianca. She is like OUR child now. We want to love her, and care for her-even if it is through angry words for her mother. We are all about Bianca and you should not lose sight of that.

    Lastly, don’t be offended, as I mean no ill will-you are embarassing yourself, your sister, your family, and most imporatantly- Bianca. She didn’t deserve to die and she doesn’t deserve to have the people who represent her appear to be so slight of logic, and intelligence. You were smart enough to find your way here, so I gather you would be just as smart to try to appreciate that.

    Bless you and your family-and mostly bless Bianca…

  • buggysmommy

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Caitlin,
    I have no negative response for you-I think this whole situation is so disheartening and sad, so when I say this-please try to embrace it.

    Your neice is gone. She is never coming back. You are young, as your sister is too. I have five sisters, so I can appreciate your defense of her. However-you are going about it all wrong.

    This site is not for defending the bad guy. We are human, some of us have children and the ones that don’t are very passionate about the loss of innocence. We come here for a purpose-because things of this magnitude make us angry and perhaps it’s our way of avengeing the young lives lost. Hell, it’s about avengeing all innocent lives lost. You see, as a whole-we can only do so much. We can’t be there to put the facts together, and determine what really went down. So we rant amongst ourselvs, call perpetraters names and pray for the innocent.

    You have to understand that before you lose all sense of dignity and pride by going off on our reactions. If you come here, try to view the conversation and take it in and above all else, imagine yourself in our shoes. We mean well, especially by Bianca. She is like OUR child now. We want to love her, and care for her-even if it is through angry words for her mother. We are all about Bianca and you should not lose sight of that.

    Lastly, don’t be offended, as I mean no ill will-you are embarassing yourself, your sister, your family, and most imporatantly- Bianca. She didn’t deserve to die and she doesn’t deserve to have the people who represent her appear to be so slight of logic, and intelligence. You were smart enough to find your way here, so I gather you would be just as smart to try to appreciate that.

    Bless you and your family-and mostly bless Bianca…

  • buggysmommy

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Caitlin,
    I have no negative response for you-I think this whole situation is so disheartening and sad, so when I say this-please try to embrace it.

    Your neice is gone. She is never coming back. You are young, as your sister is too. I have five sisters, so I can appreciate your defense of her. However-you are going about it all wrong.

    This site is not for defending the bad guy. We are human, some of us have children and the ones that don’t are very passionate about the loss of innocence. We come here for a purpose-because things of this magnitude make us angry and perhaps it’s our way of avengeing the young lives lost. Hell, it’s about avengeing all innocent lives lost. You see, as a whole-we can only do so much. We can’t be there to put the facts together, and determine what really went down. So we rant amongst ourselvs, call perpetraters names and pray for the innocent.

    You have to understand that before you lose all sense of dignity and pride by going off on our reactions. If you come here, try to view the conversation and take it in and above all else, imagine yourself in our shoes. We mean well, especially by Bianca. She is like OUR child now. We want to love her, and care for her-even if it is through angry words for her mother. We are all about Bianca and you should not lose sight of that.

    Lastly, don’t be offended, as I mean no ill will-you are embarassing yourself, your sister, your family, and most imporatantly- Bianca. She didn’t deserve to die and she doesn’t deserve to have the people who represent her appear to be so slight of logic, and intelligence. You were smart enough to find your way here, so I gather you would be just as smart to try to appreciate that.

    Bless you and your family-and mostly bless Bianca…

  • buggysmommy

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Caitlin,
    I have no negative response for you-I think this whole situation is so disheartening and sad, so when I say this-please try to embrace it.

    Your neice is gone. She is never coming back. You are young, as your sister is too. I have five sisters, so I can appreciate your defense of her. However-you are going about it all wrong.

    This site is not for defending the bad guy. We are human, some of us have children and the ones that don’t are very passionate about the loss of innocence. We come here for a purpose-because things of this magnitude make us angry and perhaps it’s our way of avengeing the young lives lost. Hell, it’s about avengeing all innocent lives lost. You see, as a whole-we can only do so much. We can’t be there to put the facts together, and determine what really went down. So we rant amongst ourselvs, call perpetraters names and pray for the innocent.

    You have to understand that before you lose all sense of dignity and pride by going off on our reactions. If you come here, try to view the conversation and take it in and above all else, imagine yourself in our shoes. We mean well, especially by Bianca. She is like OUR child now. We want to love her, and care for her-even if it is through angry words for her mother. We are all about Bianca and you should not lose sight of that.

    Lastly, don’t be offended, as I mean no ill will-you are embarassing yourself, your sister, your family, and most imporatantly- Bianca. She didn’t deserve to die and she doesn’t deserve to have the people who represent her appear to be so slight of logic, and intelligence. You were smart enough to find your way here, so I gather you would be just as smart to try to appreciate that.

    Bless you and your family-and mostly bless Bianca…

  • buggysmommy

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Caitlin,
    I have no negative response for you-I think this whole situation is so disheartening and sad, so when I say this-please try to embrace it.

    Your neice is gone. She is never coming back. You are young, as your sister is too. I have five sisters, so I can appreciate your defense of her. However-you are going about it all wrong.

    This site is not for defending the bad guy. We are human, some of us have children and the ones that don’t are very passionate about the loss of innocence. We come here for a purpose-because things of this magnitude make us angry and perhaps it’s our way of avengeing the young lives lost. Hell, it’s about avengeing all innocent lives lost. You see, as a whole-we can only do so much. We can’t be there to put the facts together, and determine what really went down. So we rant amongst ourselvs, call perpetraters names and pray for the innocent.

    You have to understand that before you lose all sense of dignity and pride by going off on our reactions. If you come here, try to view the conversation and take it in and above all else, imagine yourself in our shoes. We mean well, especially by Bianca. She is like OUR child now. We want to love her, and care for her-even if it is through angry words for her mother. We are all about Bianca and you should not lose sight of that.

    Lastly, don’t be offended, as I mean no ill will-you are embarassing yourself, your sister, your family, and most imporatantly- Bianca. She didn’t deserve to die and she doesn’t deserve to have the people who represent her appear to be so slight of logic, and intelligence. You were smart enough to find your way here, so I gather you would be just as smart to try to appreciate that.

    Bless you and your family-and mostly bless Bianca…

  • sayrah06

    On a lighter note…. I love how Caitlin calls everyone a bitch, is it just me or does it make you giggle thinking of a guy being called a bitch (smiling right now). Caitlin says…

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Question, do you think that makes you special.. when I was 17 (4 years ago) I went to college and had a job too but I didn’t think it make me “special” enough to blog on a site and think I could trick everyone into believing some abominable story- I’d have to agree with Zibarro thats very cunt-like ;-) Happy Halloween

  • sayrah06

    On a lighter note…. I love how Caitlin calls everyone a bitch, is it just me or does it make you giggle thinking of a guy being called a bitch (smiling right now). Caitlin says…

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Question, do you think that makes you special.. when I was 17 (4 years ago) I went to college and had a job too but I didn’t think it make me “special” enough to blog on a site and think I could trick everyone into believing some abominable story- I’d have to agree with Zibarro thats very cunt-like ;-) Happy Halloween

  • sayrah06

    On a lighter note…. I love how Caitlin calls everyone a bitch, is it just me or does it make you giggle thinking of a guy being called a bitch (smiling right now). Caitlin says…

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Question, do you think that makes you special.. when I was 17 (4 years ago) I went to college and had a job too but I didn’t think it make me “special” enough to blog on a site and think I could trick everyone into believing some abominable story- I’d have to agree with Zibarro thats very cunt-like ;-) Happy Halloween

  • sayrah06

    On a lighter note…. I love how Caitlin calls everyone a bitch, is it just me or does it make you giggle thinking of a guy being called a bitch (smiling right now). Caitlin says…

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Question, do you think that makes you special.. when I was 17 (4 years ago) I went to college and had a job too but I didn’t think it make me “special” enough to blog on a site and think I could trick everyone into believing some abominable story- I’d have to agree with Zibarro thats very cunt-like ;-) Happy Halloween

  • sayrah06

    buggysmommy
    Much more dignified post than mine I’d have to say.

  • sayrah06

    buggysmommy
    Much more dignified post than mine I’d have to say.

  • sayrah06

    buggysmommy
    Much more dignified post than mine I’d have to say.

  • sayrah06

    buggysmommy
    Much more dignified post than mine I’d have to say.

  • sayrah06

    buggysmommy
    Much more dignified post than mine I’d have to say.

  • penelopejo

    aww. thanks zibarro. now I’m here, just sitting and waiting to be called a bitch so I can call her a cunt and every other damn name in the book. And I really think they were trying to get money either for themselves or to bail Karrae out but realized that it was the most absurd story they had heard themselves.

    So, just a waiting game now. Waiting to be called a bitch and waiting to see if my questions get answered.

  • penelopejo

    aww. thanks zibarro. now I’m here, just sitting and waiting to be called a bitch so I can call her a cunt and every other damn name in the book. And I really think they were trying to get money either for themselves or to bail Karrae out but realized that it was the most absurd story they had heard themselves.

    So, just a waiting game now. Waiting to be called a bitch and waiting to see if my questions get answered.

  • penelopejo

    aww. thanks zibarro. now I’m here, just sitting and waiting to be called a bitch so I can call her a cunt and every other damn name in the book. And I really think they were trying to get money either for themselves or to bail Karrae out but realized that it was the most absurd story they had heard themselves.

    So, just a waiting game now. Waiting to be called a bitch and waiting to see if my questions get answered.

  • penelopejo

    aww. thanks zibarro. now I’m here, just sitting and waiting to be called a bitch so I can call her a cunt and every other damn name in the book. And I really think they were trying to get money either for themselves or to bail Karrae out but realized that it was the most absurd story they had heard themselves.

    So, just a waiting game now. Waiting to be called a bitch and waiting to see if my questions get answered.

  • penelopejo

    aww. thanks zibarro. now I’m here, just sitting and waiting to be called a bitch so I can call her a cunt and every other damn name in the book. And I really think they were trying to get money either for themselves or to bail Karrae out but realized that it was the most absurd story they had heard themselves.

    So, just a waiting game now. Waiting to be called a bitch and waiting to see if my questions get answered.

  • penelopejo

    aww. thanks zibarro. now I’m here, just sitting and waiting to be called a bitch so I can call her a cunt and every other damn name in the book. And I really think they were trying to get money either for themselves or to bail Karrae out but realized that it was the most absurd story they had heard themselves.

    So, just a waiting game now. Waiting to be called a bitch and waiting to see if my questions get answered.

  • http://myspace.com/tricia381 Tricia

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Good for you, no really…I assume you arent on welfare or milking the system because you are a ‘teen mom.’ But honestly, you are nothing special. I, too, went to college and had a job at 18. So you want a cupcake? You should be doing something to take care of yourself and your child, not the county. Not the same county who apparently killed your niece @@.

    And why do people always say posters are fat? You know, skinny people probably judge way more than fat people (you know, the conceited type).

    You speak facts? Where? Everything you have said on here has been a lie. No, really. You must think we are all dumb and have low reading comprehension? I read every comment on this subject, girly. You cant come here and say Karrae told you this and that, then come back a few days later to say you were there and saw everything, then then then come here another day and say you werent even posting the previous bullshit. Hmm, not you? How’d you log into this site without knowing the password? How come your spelling and grammar are exactly like the previous posts?

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Yeah, you would think she would have had to make a new account (which means a new screen name and password). Strange how this families computer is so unsecured. Anyone could get on and pretend to be Karrae or Caitlin.

  • http://myspace.com/tricia381 Tricia

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Good for you, no really…I assume you arent on welfare or milking the system because you are a ‘teen mom.’ But honestly, you are nothing special. I, too, went to college and had a job at 18. So you want a cupcake? You should be doing something to take care of yourself and your child, not the county. Not the same county who apparently killed your niece @@.

    And why do people always say posters are fat? You know, skinny people probably judge way more than fat people (you know, the conceited type).

    You speak facts? Where? Everything you have said on here has been a lie. No, really. You must think we are all dumb and have low reading comprehension? I read every comment on this subject, girly. You cant come here and say Karrae told you this and that, then come back a few days later to say you were there and saw everything, then then then come here another day and say you werent even posting the previous bullshit. Hmm, not you? How’d you log into this site without knowing the password? How come your spelling and grammar are exactly like the previous posts?

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Yeah, you would think she would have had to make a new account (which means a new screen name and password). Strange how this families computer is so unsecured. Anyone could get on and pretend to be Karrae or Caitlin.

  • http://myspace.com/tricia381 Tricia

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Good for you, no really…I assume you arent on welfare or milking the system because you are a ‘teen mom.’ But honestly, you are nothing special. I, too, went to college and had a job at 18. So you want a cupcake? You should be doing something to take care of yourself and your child, not the county. Not the same county who apparently killed your niece @@.

    And why do people always say posters are fat? You know, skinny people probably judge way more than fat people (you know, the conceited type).

    You speak facts? Where? Everything you have said on here has been a lie. No, really. You must think we are all dumb and have low reading comprehension? I read every comment on this subject, girly. You cant come here and say Karrae told you this and that, then come back a few days later to say you were there and saw everything, then then then come here another day and say you werent even posting the previous bullshit. Hmm, not you? How’d you log into this site without knowing the password? How come your spelling and grammar are exactly like the previous posts?

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Yeah, you would think she would have had to make a new account (which means a new screen name and password). Strange how this families computer is so unsecured. Anyone could get on and pretend to be Karrae or Caitlin.

  • http://myspace.com/tricia381 Tricia

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Good for you, no really…I assume you arent on welfare or milking the system because you are a ‘teen mom.’ But honestly, you are nothing special. I, too, went to college and had a job at 18. So you want a cupcake? You should be doing something to take care of yourself and your child, not the county. Not the same county who apparently killed your niece @@.

    And why do people always say posters are fat? You know, skinny people probably judge way more than fat people (you know, the conceited type).

    You speak facts? Where? Everything you have said on here has been a lie. No, really. You must think we are all dumb and have low reading comprehension? I read every comment on this subject, girly. You cant come here and say Karrae told you this and that, then come back a few days later to say you were there and saw everything, then then then come here another day and say you werent even posting the previous bullshit. Hmm, not you? How’d you log into this site without knowing the password? How come your spelling and grammar are exactly like the previous posts?

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Yeah, you would think she would have had to make a new account (which means a new screen name and password). Strange how this families computer is so unsecured. Anyone could get on and pretend to be Karrae or Caitlin.

  • http://myspace.com/tricia381 Tricia

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Good for you, no really…I assume you arent on welfare or milking the system because you are a ‘teen mom.’ But honestly, you are nothing special. I, too, went to college and had a job at 18. So you want a cupcake? You should be doing something to take care of yourself and your child, not the county. Not the same county who apparently killed your niece @@.

    And why do people always say posters are fat? You know, skinny people probably judge way more than fat people (you know, the conceited type).

    You speak facts? Where? Everything you have said on here has been a lie. No, really. You must think we are all dumb and have low reading comprehension? I read every comment on this subject, girly. You cant come here and say Karrae told you this and that, then come back a few days later to say you were there and saw everything, then then then come here another day and say you werent even posting the previous bullshit. Hmm, not you? How’d you log into this site without knowing the password? How come your spelling and grammar are exactly like the previous posts?

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Yeah, you would think she would have had to make a new account (which means a new screen name and password). Strange how this families computer is so unsecured. Anyone could get on and pretend to be Karrae or Caitlin.

  • http://myspace.com/tricia381 Tricia

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Good for you, no really…I assume you arent on welfare or milking the system because you are a ‘teen mom.’ But honestly, you are nothing special. I, too, went to college and had a job at 18. So you want a cupcake? You should be doing something to take care of yourself and your child, not the county. Not the same county who apparently killed your niece @@.

    And why do people always say posters are fat? You know, skinny people probably judge way more than fat people (you know, the conceited type).

    You speak facts? Where? Everything you have said on here has been a lie. No, really. You must think we are all dumb and have low reading comprehension? I read every comment on this subject, girly. You cant come here and say Karrae told you this and that, then come back a few days later to say you were there and saw everything, then then then come here another day and say you werent even posting the previous bullshit. Hmm, not you? How’d you log into this site without knowing the password? How come your spelling and grammar are exactly like the previous posts?

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Yeah, you would think she would have had to make a new account (which means a new screen name and password). Strange how this families computer is so unsecured. Anyone could get on and pretend to be Karrae or Caitlin.

  • http://myspace.com/tricia381 Tricia

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Good for you, no really…I assume you arent on welfare or milking the system because you are a ‘teen mom.’ But honestly, you are nothing special. I, too, went to college and had a job at 18. So you want a cupcake? You should be doing something to take care of yourself and your child, not the county. Not the same county who apparently killed your niece @@.

    And why do people always say posters are fat? You know, skinny people probably judge way more than fat people (you know, the conceited type).

    You speak facts? Where? Everything you have said on here has been a lie. No, really. You must think we are all dumb and have low reading comprehension? I read every comment on this subject, girly. You cant come here and say Karrae told you this and that, then come back a few days later to say you were there and saw everything, then then then come here another day and say you werent even posting the previous bullshit. Hmm, not you? How’d you log into this site without knowing the password? How come your spelling and grammar are exactly like the previous posts?

    College? Online courses? Dear lord… you made it our of H.S.? Amazing.

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    So, if this is your first time – who is the other “Caitlin” supporting Karrae?

    Yeah, you would think she would have had to make a new account (which means a new screen name and password). Strange how this families computer is so unsecured. Anyone could get on and pretend to be Karrae or Caitlin.

  • buggysmommy

    Okay-I viewed some of the tributes in YouTube and I have to say this child was truly loved. There is not one thing in the pics I saw that show any type of unhappiness or abuse-this child was well taken care of and clearly loved by all of her family.

    So I guess my conclusion is, if she had some lapse of sanity, too much boose, or was taking medication that altered her ability to stop herself from killing her child-she is truly in her own personal hell right now, and for nothing would I want to be her…

  • buggysmommy

    Okay-I viewed some of the tributes in YouTube and I have to say this child was truly loved. There is not one thing in the pics I saw that show any type of unhappiness or abuse-this child was well taken care of and clearly loved by all of her family.

    So I guess my conclusion is, if she had some lapse of sanity, too much boose, or was taking medication that altered her ability to stop herself from killing her child-she is truly in her own personal hell right now, and for nothing would I want to be her…

  • buggysmommy

    Okay-I viewed some of the tributes in YouTube and I have to say this child was truly loved. There is not one thing in the pics I saw that show any type of unhappiness or abuse-this child was well taken care of and clearly loved by all of her family.

    So I guess my conclusion is, if she had some lapse of sanity, too much boose, or was taking medication that altered her ability to stop herself from killing her child-she is truly in her own personal hell right now, and for nothing would I want to be her…

  • buggysmommy

    Okay-I viewed some of the tributes in YouTube and I have to say this child was truly loved. There is not one thing in the pics I saw that show any type of unhappiness or abuse-this child was well taken care of and clearly loved by all of her family.

    So I guess my conclusion is, if she had some lapse of sanity, too much boose, or was taking medication that altered her ability to stop herself from killing her child-she is truly in her own personal hell right now, and for nothing would I want to be her…

  • buggysmommy

    Okay-I viewed some of the tributes in YouTube and I have to say this child was truly loved. There is not one thing in the pics I saw that show any type of unhappiness or abuse-this child was well taken care of and clearly loved by all of her family.

    So I guess my conclusion is, if she had some lapse of sanity, too much boose, or was taking medication that altered her ability to stop herself from killing her child-she is truly in her own personal hell right now, and for nothing would I want to be her…

  • buggysmommy

    Okay-I viewed some of the tributes in YouTube and I have to say this child was truly loved. There is not one thing in the pics I saw that show any type of unhappiness or abuse-this child was well taken care of and clearly loved by all of her family.

    So I guess my conclusion is, if she had some lapse of sanity, too much boose, or was taking medication that altered her ability to stop herself from killing her child-she is truly in her own personal hell right now, and for nothing would I want to be her…

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.
    Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better! :)

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    Ouch. I knew that might come back to bite me. Sorry, Trish. I meant no offense.. really. My dad did the same thing.
    The point I was trying to make was, so she’s in college? Unless it’s Harvard or Yale… who cares? Why do some people think they deserve a cookie for doing what they’re supposed to do? She seemed to brag that she’s a 17 yr. old, unwed mother that is in college with a job… which is only worth bragging about if it’s some Ivy League school and a Fortune 500 company. (IMHO) Otherwise, it reminds me of fathers who say “I support my kids”. Well… you’re supposed to!

    This girl is just so pathetic it blows my mind. She thinks that by attacking us, she’s going to change our opinions?

    I’ve always said they should teach a course in common sense in High School. lol. Too many teens (especially girls, but boys aren’t exempt by any means) seem to lack it.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.
    Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better! :)

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    Ouch. I knew that might come back to bite me. Sorry, Trish. I meant no offense.. really. My dad did the same thing.
    The point I was trying to make was, so she’s in college? Unless it’s Harvard or Yale… who cares? Why do some people think they deserve a cookie for doing what they’re supposed to do? She seemed to brag that she’s a 17 yr. old, unwed mother that is in college with a job… which is only worth bragging about if it’s some Ivy League school and a Fortune 500 company. (IMHO) Otherwise, it reminds me of fathers who say “I support my kids”. Well… you’re supposed to!

    This girl is just so pathetic it blows my mind. She thinks that by attacking us, she’s going to change our opinions?

    I’ve always said they should teach a course in common sense in High School. lol. Too many teens (especially girls, but boys aren’t exempt by any means) seem to lack it.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.
    Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better! :)

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    Ouch. I knew that might come back to bite me. Sorry, Trish. I meant no offense.. really. My dad did the same thing.
    The point I was trying to make was, so she’s in college? Unless it’s Harvard or Yale… who cares? Why do some people think they deserve a cookie for doing what they’re supposed to do? She seemed to brag that she’s a 17 yr. old, unwed mother that is in college with a job… which is only worth bragging about if it’s some Ivy League school and a Fortune 500 company. (IMHO) Otherwise, it reminds me of fathers who say “I support my kids”. Well… you’re supposed to!

    This girl is just so pathetic it blows my mind. She thinks that by attacking us, she’s going to change our opinions?

    I’ve always said they should teach a course in common sense in High School. lol. Too many teens (especially girls, but boys aren’t exempt by any means) seem to lack it.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.
    Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better! :)

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    Ouch. I knew that might come back to bite me. Sorry, Trish. I meant no offense.. really. My dad did the same thing.
    The point I was trying to make was, so she’s in college? Unless it’s Harvard or Yale… who cares? Why do some people think they deserve a cookie for doing what they’re supposed to do? She seemed to brag that she’s a 17 yr. old, unwed mother that is in college with a job… which is only worth bragging about if it’s some Ivy League school and a Fortune 500 company. (IMHO) Otherwise, it reminds me of fathers who say “I support my kids”. Well… you’re supposed to!

    This girl is just so pathetic it blows my mind. She thinks that by attacking us, she’s going to change our opinions?

    I’ve always said they should teach a course in common sense in High School. lol. Too many teens (especially girls, but boys aren’t exempt by any means) seem to lack it.

  • Zibarro

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.
    Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better! :)

    LOL I completed some college courses online…

    Ouch. I knew that might come back to bite me. Sorry, Trish. I meant no offense.. really. My dad did the same thing.
    The point I was trying to make was, so she’s in college? Unless it’s Harvard or Yale… who cares? Why do some people think they deserve a cookie for doing what they’re supposed to do? She seemed to brag that she’s a 17 yr. old, unwed mother that is in college with a job… which is only worth bragging about if it’s some Ivy League school and a Fortune 500 company. (IMHO) Otherwise, it reminds me of fathers who say “I support my kids”. Well… you’re supposed to!

    This girl is just so pathetic it blows my mind. She thinks that by attacking us, she’s going to change our opinions?

    I’ve always said they should teach a course in common sense in High School. lol. Too many teens (especially girls, but boys aren’t exempt by any means) seem to lack it.

  • buggysmommy

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better!

    It’s funny that I am calm about this-as I tend to be a raging bitch about such things. It has taken me a month to even wrap my head around this whole thing and I think the biggest reason why is that that little girl looks like my daughter. My daughter is 11 months old-but I know what she will resemble somewhat at age 3 after looking at this little girl.

    Anyway-it truly makes me heartsick to invision someone doing that to their own baby. I think to myself how she carried her and she moved inside her-I just don’t understand how she could look at that beautiful little girl who trusted her-and watch the life go right out of her. So my answer to that is to consciously consider her head at that point. It’s just too weird for me…

  • buggysmommy

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better!

    It’s funny that I am calm about this-as I tend to be a raging bitch about such things. It has taken me a month to even wrap my head around this whole thing and I think the biggest reason why is that that little girl looks like my daughter. My daughter is 11 months old-but I know what she will resemble somewhat at age 3 after looking at this little girl.

    Anyway-it truly makes me heartsick to invision someone doing that to their own baby. I think to myself how she carried her and she moved inside her-I just don’t understand how she could look at that beautiful little girl who trusted her-and watch the life go right out of her. So my answer to that is to consciously consider her head at that point. It’s just too weird for me…

  • buggysmommy

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better!

    It’s funny that I am calm about this-as I tend to be a raging bitch about such things. It has taken me a month to even wrap my head around this whole thing and I think the biggest reason why is that that little girl looks like my daughter. My daughter is 11 months old-but I know what she will resemble somewhat at age 3 after looking at this little girl.

    Anyway-it truly makes me heartsick to invision someone doing that to their own baby. I think to myself how she carried her and she moved inside her-I just don’t understand how she could look at that beautiful little girl who trusted her-and watch the life go right out of her. So my answer to that is to consciously consider her head at that point. It’s just too weird for me…

  • buggysmommy

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better!

    It’s funny that I am calm about this-as I tend to be a raging bitch about such things. It has taken me a month to even wrap my head around this whole thing and I think the biggest reason why is that that little girl looks like my daughter. My daughter is 11 months old-but I know what she will resemble somewhat at age 3 after looking at this little girl.

    Anyway-it truly makes me heartsick to invision someone doing that to their own baby. I think to myself how she carried her and she moved inside her-I just don’t understand how she could look at that beautiful little girl who trusted her-and watch the life go right out of her. So my answer to that is to consciously consider her head at that point. It’s just too weird for me…

  • buggysmommy

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better!

    It’s funny that I am calm about this-as I tend to be a raging bitch about such things. It has taken me a month to even wrap my head around this whole thing and I think the biggest reason why is that that little girl looks like my daughter. My daughter is 11 months old-but I know what she will resemble somewhat at age 3 after looking at this little girl.

    Anyway-it truly makes me heartsick to invision someone doing that to their own baby. I think to myself how she carried her and she moved inside her-I just don’t understand how she could look at that beautiful little girl who trusted her-and watch the life go right out of her. So my answer to that is to consciously consider her head at that point. It’s just too weird for me…

  • buggysmommy

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better!

    It’s funny that I am calm about this-as I tend to be a raging bitch about such things. It has taken me a month to even wrap my head around this whole thing and I think the biggest reason why is that that little girl looks like my daughter. My daughter is 11 months old-but I know what she will resemble somewhat at age 3 after looking at this little girl.

    Anyway-it truly makes me heartsick to invision someone doing that to their own baby. I think to myself how she carried her and she moved inside her-I just don’t understand how she could look at that beautiful little girl who trusted her-and watch the life go right out of her. So my answer to that is to consciously consider her head at that point. It’s just too weird for me…

  • buggysmommy

    Buggysmommy your calmness is enviable. Your points are well made.Sayrah06, I always hate using that word (cunt) until someone comes along after me and uses it even better!

    It’s funny that I am calm about this-as I tend to be a raging bitch about such things. It has taken me a month to even wrap my head around this whole thing and I think the biggest reason why is that that little girl looks like my daughter. My daughter is 11 months old-but I know what she will resemble somewhat at age 3 after looking at this little girl.

    Anyway-it truly makes me heartsick to invision someone doing that to their own baby. I think to myself how she carried her and she moved inside her-I just don’t understand how she could look at that beautiful little girl who trusted her-and watch the life go right out of her. So my answer to that is to consciously consider her head at that point. It’s just too weird for me…

  • porcelain

    Did anyone see this article?
    It was posted last week

    http://www.bnd.com/news/local/story/552227.html

    They are saying they believe she “covered Bianca’s mouth and pinched her nose”.

  • porcelain

    Did anyone see this article?
    It was posted last week

    http://www.bnd.com/news/local/story/552227.html

    They are saying they believe she “covered Bianca’s mouth and pinched her nose”.

  • porcelain

    Did anyone see this article?
    It was posted last week

    http://www.bnd.com/news/local/story/552227.html

    They are saying they believe she “covered Bianca’s mouth and pinched her nose”.

  • porcelain

    Did anyone see this article?
    It was posted last week

    http://www.bnd.com/news/local/story/552227.html

    They are saying they believe she “covered Bianca’s mouth and pinched her nose”.

  • porcelain

    Did anyone see this article?
    It was posted last week

    http://www.bnd.com/news/local/story/552227.html

    They are saying they believe she “covered Bianca’s mouth and pinched her nose”.

  • porcelain

    Did anyone see this article?
    It was posted last week

    http://www.bnd.com/news/local/story/552227.html

    They are saying they believe she “covered Bianca’s mouth and pinched her nose”.

  • noonereally

    http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/12/03/breaking_news/doc4936f39715ce6723953481.txt

    MARION — An 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the death of her 3-year-old daughter will undergo a psychiatric examination.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking made the request in Williamson County Circuit Court this week before Judge Phillip Palmer.

    A psychiatrist will be asked to determine whether Karrae Starr was suffering mental problems at the time of the alleged incident in September, according to the court document. Officials are trying to determine whether sentencing alternatives are appropriate and available.

    Prosecutors are seeking a life sentence for Starr if she is convicted. They were granted a motion this week to have blood, saliva and hair testing done on her.

    The state alleges Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing the child’s death. The defendant pled not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    The next status hearing in the case is set for 9 a.m. on Dec. 15.

  • noonereally

    http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/12/03/breaking_news/doc4936f39715ce6723953481.txt

    MARION — An 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the death of her 3-year-old daughter will undergo a psychiatric examination.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking made the request in Williamson County Circuit Court this week before Judge Phillip Palmer.

    A psychiatrist will be asked to determine whether Karrae Starr was suffering mental problems at the time of the alleged incident in September, according to the court document. Officials are trying to determine whether sentencing alternatives are appropriate and available.

    Prosecutors are seeking a life sentence for Starr if she is convicted. They were granted a motion this week to have blood, saliva and hair testing done on her.

    The state alleges Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing the child’s death. The defendant pled not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    The next status hearing in the case is set for 9 a.m. on Dec. 15.

  • noonereally

    http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/12/03/breaking_news/doc4936f39715ce6723953481.txt

    MARION — An 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the death of her 3-year-old daughter will undergo a psychiatric examination.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking made the request in Williamson County Circuit Court this week before Judge Phillip Palmer.

    A psychiatrist will be asked to determine whether Karrae Starr was suffering mental problems at the time of the alleged incident in September, according to the court document. Officials are trying to determine whether sentencing alternatives are appropriate and available.

    Prosecutors are seeking a life sentence for Starr if she is convicted. They were granted a motion this week to have blood, saliva and hair testing done on her.

    The state alleges Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing the child’s death. The defendant pled not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    The next status hearing in the case is set for 9 a.m. on Dec. 15.

  • noonereally

    http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/12/03/breaking_news/doc4936f39715ce6723953481.txt

    MARION — An 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the death of her 3-year-old daughter will undergo a psychiatric examination.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking made the request in Williamson County Circuit Court this week before Judge Phillip Palmer.

    A psychiatrist will be asked to determine whether Karrae Starr was suffering mental problems at the time of the alleged incident in September, according to the court document. Officials are trying to determine whether sentencing alternatives are appropriate and available.

    Prosecutors are seeking a life sentence for Starr if she is convicted. They were granted a motion this week to have blood, saliva and hair testing done on her.

    The state alleges Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing the child’s death. The defendant pled not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    The next status hearing in the case is set for 9 a.m. on Dec. 15.

  • noonereally

    another small update… I can’t believe there’s still no autopsy results.

    Jan. 13 trial date set for woman charged with smothering young daughter
    BY JOHN HOMAN, The Southern
    Monday, December 15, 2008 4:09 PM CST

    MARION — A tentative trial date of Jan. 13 has been set for the 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with smothering her 3-year-old daughter to death in late September.

    Williamson County Circuit Court Judge Phillip Palmer set the date Monday, adding that a final pretrial would be held Jan. 5.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking said he may ask for a continuance in the case as his client, Karrae Starr, is awaiting a mental fitness examination from Dr. Daniel Cuneo, a clinical psychologist from St.Clair County.

    Cuneo will be asked to determine whether Starr, as the result of a mental disease or defect, “lacked substantial capacity to appreciate the criminality of her conduct at the time of the alleged offense.”

    The state alleges that Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing Bianca’s death on Sept. 27. The defendant pleaded not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    Broeking said autopsy results have not yet been received.

  • noonereally

    another small update… I can’t believe there’s still no autopsy results.

    Jan. 13 trial date set for woman charged with smothering young daughter
    BY JOHN HOMAN, The Southern
    Monday, December 15, 2008 4:09 PM CST

    MARION — A tentative trial date of Jan. 13 has been set for the 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with smothering her 3-year-old daughter to death in late September.

    Williamson County Circuit Court Judge Phillip Palmer set the date Monday, adding that a final pretrial would be held Jan. 5.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking said he may ask for a continuance in the case as his client, Karrae Starr, is awaiting a mental fitness examination from Dr. Daniel Cuneo, a clinical psychologist from St.Clair County.

    Cuneo will be asked to determine whether Starr, as the result of a mental disease or defect, “lacked substantial capacity to appreciate the criminality of her conduct at the time of the alleged offense.”

    The state alleges that Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing Bianca’s death on Sept. 27. The defendant pleaded not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    Broeking said autopsy results have not yet been received.

  • noonereally

    another small update… I can’t believe there’s still no autopsy results.

    Jan. 13 trial date set for woman charged with smothering young daughter
    BY JOHN HOMAN, The Southern
    Monday, December 15, 2008 4:09 PM CST

    MARION — A tentative trial date of Jan. 13 has been set for the 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with smothering her 3-year-old daughter to death in late September.

    Williamson County Circuit Court Judge Phillip Palmer set the date Monday, adding that a final pretrial would be held Jan. 5.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking said he may ask for a continuance in the case as his client, Karrae Starr, is awaiting a mental fitness examination from Dr. Daniel Cuneo, a clinical psychologist from St.Clair County.

    Cuneo will be asked to determine whether Starr, as the result of a mental disease or defect, “lacked substantial capacity to appreciate the criminality of her conduct at the time of the alleged offense.”

    The state alleges that Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing Bianca’s death on Sept. 27. The defendant pleaded not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    Broeking said autopsy results have not yet been received.

  • noonereally

    another small update… I can’t believe there’s still no autopsy results.

    Jan. 13 trial date set for woman charged with smothering young daughter
    BY JOHN HOMAN, The Southern
    Monday, December 15, 2008 4:09 PM CST

    MARION — A tentative trial date of Jan. 13 has been set for the 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with smothering her 3-year-old daughter to death in late September.

    Williamson County Circuit Court Judge Phillip Palmer set the date Monday, adding that a final pretrial would be held Jan. 5.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking said he may ask for a continuance in the case as his client, Karrae Starr, is awaiting a mental fitness examination from Dr. Daniel Cuneo, a clinical psychologist from St.Clair County.

    Cuneo will be asked to determine whether Starr, as the result of a mental disease or defect, “lacked substantial capacity to appreciate the criminality of her conduct at the time of the alleged offense.”

    The state alleges that Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing Bianca’s death on Sept. 27. The defendant pleaded not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    Broeking said autopsy results have not yet been received.

  • noonereally

    another small update… I can’t believe there’s still no autopsy results.

    Jan. 13 trial date set for woman charged with smothering young daughter
    BY JOHN HOMAN, The Southern
    Monday, December 15, 2008 4:09 PM CST

    MARION — A tentative trial date of Jan. 13 has been set for the 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with smothering her 3-year-old daughter to death in late September.

    Williamson County Circuit Court Judge Phillip Palmer set the date Monday, adding that a final pretrial would be held Jan. 5.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking said he may ask for a continuance in the case as his client, Karrae Starr, is awaiting a mental fitness examination from Dr. Daniel Cuneo, a clinical psychologist from St.Clair County.

    Cuneo will be asked to determine whether Starr, as the result of a mental disease or defect, “lacked substantial capacity to appreciate the criminality of her conduct at the time of the alleged offense.”

    The state alleges that Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing Bianca’s death on Sept. 27. The defendant pleaded not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    Broeking said autopsy results have not yet been received.

  • noonereally

    another small update… I can’t believe there’s still no autopsy results.

    Jan. 13 trial date set for woman charged with smothering young daughter
    BY JOHN HOMAN, The Southern
    Monday, December 15, 2008 4:09 PM CST

    MARION — A tentative trial date of Jan. 13 has been set for the 18-year-old Herrin woman charged with smothering her 3-year-old daughter to death in late September.

    Williamson County Circuit Court Judge Phillip Palmer set the date Monday, adding that a final pretrial would be held Jan. 5.

    Public Defender Larry Broeking said he may ask for a continuance in the case as his client, Karrae Starr, is awaiting a mental fitness examination from Dr. Daniel Cuneo, a clinical psychologist from St.Clair County.

    Cuneo will be asked to determine whether Starr, as the result of a mental disease or defect, “lacked substantial capacity to appreciate the criminality of her conduct at the time of the alleged offense.”

    The state alleges that Starr covered the mouth and nose of her daughter, Bianca, with her hand, ultimately causing Bianca’s death on Sept. 27. The defendant pleaded not guilty to the murder charge at a preliminary hearing earlier this fall.

    Broeking said autopsy results have not yet been received.

  • noonereally

    sorry, I forgot the link and I can’t seem to get it to let me edit my above comment.

    http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/12/15/breaking_news/doc4946d00ef0967902167797.txt

  • noonereally

    sorry, I forgot the link and I can’t seem to get it to let me edit my above comment.

    http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/12/15/breaking_news/doc4946d00ef0967902167797.txt

  • noonereally

    sorry, I forgot the link and I can’t seem to get it to let me edit my above comment.

    http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/12/15/breaking_news/doc4946d00ef0967902167797.txt

  • noonereally

    sorry, I forgot the link and I can’t seem to get it to let me edit my above comment.

    http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/12/15/breaking_news/doc4946d00ef0967902167797.txt

  • noonereally

    sorry, I forgot the link and I can’t seem to get it to let me edit my above comment.

    http://www.thesouthern.com/articles/2008/12/15/breaking_news/doc4946d00ef0967902167797.txt

  • Mommy Of 2

    You know I get really mad when I hear people talking about Karrae like this.I know this girl and her family,I know everything this girl has been through.I have held Bianca in my arms and I know Karrae loved her child and would had given the world for that baby.NO one knows what really happened that night that a little life had been taken.I agree that if she was trying to kill Bianca she NEVER would had called 911 and try to save her.If you research this on the net further you will read where it says she isn’t and hasn’t been in her right mind,.OK lets look at that if she hasn’t been and still isn’t then she wouldn’t had known to call 911 and she wouldn’t had known to do CPR and if she had been drunk don’t ya think she wouldn’t had been able to that either.,I mean common sense tells me that.,And she was trying to help her daughter.Also if there was ANY sign of child abuse at all then why didn’t the day care where Bianca attended do anything.Shows something there that there wasn’t NO signs for them to do anything,,,I have 2 children and I know if anything EVER happened to them I would go INSANE….I have NOT been able to sleep or eat over this whole mess.I am NOT saying she DID NOT do and I AM NOT saying SHE DID!!! I know this girl I know her sister and her real mother and all of them I can help by answering some questions if needed.,Whatever it was that happened that night I pray to God that he brings it to light.,And that he be with Karrae who didn’t even get to go and say her last good byes to her baby at her funeral, that he find away to give her a peace of mind.,Some way,And that we all try and get a piece of mind about it.I don’t see it happing but maybe just maybe,But please don’t judge her until you know her and we have all the facts of what really happened that night.Not trying to be mean or judemental and I am sorry if it seems like that,.I just know in my heart of hearts I could not see Karrae doing this.,I pray the best not the worst…Thanks

  • Mommy Of 2

    You know I get really mad when I hear people talking about Karrae like this.I know this girl and her family,I know everything this girl has been through.I have held Bianca in my arms and I know Karrae loved her child and would had given the world for that baby.NO one knows what really happened that night that a little life had been taken.I agree that if she was trying to kill Bianca she NEVER would had called 911 and try to save her.If you research this on the net further you will read where it says she isn’t and hasn’t been in her right mind,.OK lets look at that if she hasn’t been and still isn’t then she wouldn’t had known to call 911 and she wouldn’t had known to do CPR and if she had been drunk don’t ya think she wouldn’t had been able to that either.,I mean common sense tells me that.,And she was trying to help her daughter.Also if there was ANY sign of child abuse at all then why didn’t the day care where Bianca attended do anything.Shows something there that there wasn’t NO signs for them to do anything,,,I have 2 children and I know if anything EVER happened to them I would go INSANE….I have NOT been able to sleep or eat over this whole mess.I am NOT saying she DID NOT do and I AM NOT saying SHE DID!!! I know this girl I know her sister and her real mother and all of them I can help by answering some questions if needed.,Whatever it was that happened that night I pray to God that he brings it to light.,And that he be with Karrae who didn’t even get to go and say her last good byes to her baby at her funeral, that he find away to give her a peace of mind.,Some way,And that we all try and get a piece of mind about it.I don’t see it happing but maybe just maybe,But please don’t judge her until you know her and we have all the facts of what really happened that night.Not trying to be mean or judemental and I am sorry if it seems like that,.I just know in my heart of hearts I could not see Karrae doing this.,I pray the best not the worst…Thanks

  • Mommy Of 2

    You know I get really mad when I hear people talking about Karrae like this.I know this girl and her family,I know everything this girl has been through.I have held Bianca in my arms and I know Karrae loved her child and would had given the world for that baby.NO one knows what really happened that night that a little life had been taken.I agree that if she was trying to kill Bianca she NEVER would had called 911 and try to save her.If you research this on the net further you will read where it says she isn’t and hasn’t been in her right mind,.OK lets look at that if she hasn’t been and still isn’t then she wouldn’t had known to call 911 and she wouldn’t had known to do CPR and if she had been drunk don’t ya think she wouldn’t had been able to that either.,I mean common sense tells me that.,And she was trying to help her daughter.Also if there was ANY sign of child abuse at all then why didn’t the day care where Bianca attended do anything.Shows something there that there wasn’t NO signs for them to do anything,,,I have 2 children and I know if anything EVER happened to them I would go INSANE….I have NOT been able to sleep or eat over this whole mess.I am NOT saying she DID NOT do and I AM NOT saying SHE DID!!! I know this girl I know her sister and her real mother and all of them I can help by answering some questions if needed.,Whatever it was that happened that night I pray to God that he brings it to light.,And that he be with Karrae who didn’t even get to go and say her last good byes to her baby at her funeral, that he find away to give her a peace of mind.,Some way,And that we all try and get a piece of mind about it.I don’t see it happing but maybe just maybe,But please don’t judge her until you know her and we have all the facts of what really happened that night.Not trying to be mean or judemental and I am sorry if it seems like that,.I just know in my heart of hearts I could not see Karrae doing this.,I pray the best not the worst…Thanks

  • Mommy Of 2

    You know I get really mad when I hear people talking about Karrae like this.I know this girl and her family,I know everything this girl has been through.I have held Bianca in my arms and I know Karrae loved her child and would had given the world for that baby.NO one knows what really happened that night that a little life had been taken.I agree that if she was trying to kill Bianca she NEVER would had called 911 and try to save her.If you research this on the net further you will read where it says she isn’t and hasn’t been in her right mind,.OK lets look at that if she hasn’t been and still isn’t then she wouldn’t had known to call 911 and she wouldn’t had known to do CPR and if she had been drunk don’t ya think she wouldn’t had been able to that either.,I mean common sense tells me that.,And she was trying to help her daughter.Also if there was ANY sign of child abuse at all then why didn’t the day care where Bianca attended do anything.Shows something there that there wasn’t NO signs for them to do anything,,,I have 2 children and I know if anything EVER happened to them I would go INSANE….I have NOT been able to sleep or eat over this whole mess.I am NOT saying she DID NOT do and I AM NOT saying SHE DID!!! I know this girl I know her sister and her real mother and all of them I can help by answering some questions if needed.,Whatever it was that happened that night I pray to God that he brings it to light.,And that he be with Karrae who didn’t even get to go and say her last good byes to her baby at her funeral, that he find away to give her a peace of mind.,Some way,And that we all try and get a piece of mind about it.I don’t see it happing but maybe just maybe,But please don’t judge her until you know her and we have all the facts of what really happened that night.Not trying to be mean or judemental and I am sorry if it seems like that,.I just know in my heart of hearts I could not see Karrae doing this.,I pray the best not the worst…Thanks

  • Mommy Of 2

    You know I get really mad when I hear people talking about Karrae like this.I know this girl and her family,I know everything this girl has been through.I have held Bianca in my arms and I know Karrae loved her child and would had given the world for that baby.NO one knows what really happened that night that a little life had been taken.I agree that if she was trying to kill Bianca she NEVER would had called 911 and try to save her.If you research this on the net further you will read where it says she isn’t and hasn’t been in her right mind,.OK lets look at that if she hasn’t been and still isn’t then she wouldn’t had known to call 911 and she wouldn’t had known to do CPR and if she had been drunk don’t ya think she wouldn’t had been able to that either.,I mean common sense tells me that.,And she was trying to help her daughter.Also if there was ANY sign of child abuse at all then why didn’t the day care where Bianca attended do anything.Shows something there that there wasn’t NO signs for them to do anything,,,I have 2 children and I know if anything EVER happened to them I would go INSANE….I have NOT been able to sleep or eat over this whole mess.I am NOT saying she DID NOT do and I AM NOT saying SHE DID!!! I know this girl I know her sister and her real mother and all of them I can help by answering some questions if needed.,Whatever it was that happened that night I pray to God that he brings it to light.,And that he be with Karrae who didn’t even get to go and say her last good byes to her baby at her funeral, that he find away to give her a peace of mind.,Some way,And that we all try and get a piece of mind about it.I don’t see it happing but maybe just maybe,But please don’t judge her until you know her and we have all the facts of what really happened that night.Not trying to be mean or judemental and I am sorry if it seems like that,.I just know in my heart of hearts I could not see Karrae doing this.,I pray the best not the worst…Thanks

  • Kim

    This is a really sad story. It makes me sick actually. Not like others I do feel for the family. I don’t understand why people are slamming the family though. They are only doing what MOST of us would do if it were one of our family members. They are standing up for her and supporting her. Maybe they are not doing it in the best way but I can not imagine what they are going through.

    Have the autopsy results been released yet??

    RIP Bianca

  • Kim

    This is a really sad story. It makes me sick actually. Not like others I do feel for the family. I don’t understand why people are slamming the family though. They are only doing what MOST of us would do if it were one of our family members. They are standing up for her and supporting her. Maybe they are not doing it in the best way but I can not imagine what they are going through.

    Have the autopsy results been released yet??

    RIP Bianca

  • Kim

    This is a really sad story. It makes me sick actually. Not like others I do feel for the family. I don’t understand why people are slamming the family though. They are only doing what MOST of us would do if it were one of our family members. They are standing up for her and supporting her. Maybe they are not doing it in the best way but I can not imagine what they are going through.

    Have the autopsy results been released yet??

    RIP Bianca

  • Kim

    This is a really sad story. It makes me sick actually. Not like others I do feel for the family. I don’t understand why people are slamming the family though. They are only doing what MOST of us would do if it were one of our family members. They are standing up for her and supporting her. Maybe they are not doing it in the best way but I can not imagine what they are going through.

    Have the autopsy results been released yet??

    RIP Bianca

  • Kim

    This is a really sad story. It makes me sick actually. Not like others I do feel for the family. I don’t understand why people are slamming the family though. They are only doing what MOST of us would do if it were one of our family members. They are standing up for her and supporting her. Maybe they are not doing it in the best way but I can not imagine what they are going through.

    Have the autopsy results been released yet??

    RIP Bianca

  • Kim

    This is a really sad story. It makes me sick actually. Not like others I do feel for the family. I don’t understand why people are slamming the family though. They are only doing what MOST of us would do if it were one of our family members. They are standing up for her and supporting her. Maybe they are not doing it in the best way but I can not imagine what they are going through.

    Have the autopsy results been released yet??

    RIP Bianca

  • penelopejo

    http://www.bnd.com/news/local/story/647780.html

    While an Illinois law that took effect in June allows the DCFS to release records when a child is killed or seriously injured and someone is charged with a crime, the agency refused the first request made by the News-Democrat in November involving the death of 3-year-old Bianca Starr. She died at her family’s home in Herrin of asphyxiation and her mother is charged with murder.

    She died of asphyxiation. She was suffocated to death.

  • penelopejo

    http://www.bnd.com/news/local/story/647780.html

    While an Illinois law that took effect in June allows the DCFS to release records when a child is killed or seriously injured and someone is charged with a crime, the agency refused the first request made by the News-Democrat in November involving the death of 3-year-old Bianca Starr. She died at her family’s home in Herrin of asphyxiation and her mother is charged with murder.

    She died of asphyxiation. She was suffocated to death.

  • Kim

    That is to bad. I was seriously hoping that it was caused by something else like health related. I just didn’t want to believe that someone could do this to their child. It saddens me. Poor Bianca. :(

    Thanks for the update penelopejo.

  • Kim

    That is to bad. I was seriously hoping that it was caused by something else like health related. I just didn’t want to believe that someone could do this to their child. It saddens me. Poor Bianca. :(

    Thanks for the update penelopejo.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    You know I get really mad when I hear people talking about Karrae like this.I know this girl and her family,I know everything this girl has been through.I have held Bianca in my arms and I know Karrae loved her child and would had given the world for that baby.NO one knows what really happened that night that a little life had been taken.I agree that if she was trying to kill Bianca she NEVER would had called 911 and try to save her.If you research this on the net further you will read where it says she isn’t and hasn’t been in her right mind,.OK lets look at that if she hasn’t been and still isn’t then she wouldn’t had known to call 911 and she wouldn’t had known to do CPR and if she had been drunk don’t ya think she wouldn’t had been able to that either.,I mean common sense tells me that.,And she was trying to help her daughter.Also if there was ANY sign of child abuse at all then why didn’t the day care where Bianca attended do anything.Shows something there that there wasn’t NO signs for them to do anything,,,I have 2 children and I know if anything EVER happened to them I would go INSANE….I have NOT been able to sleep or eat over this whole mess.I am NOT saying she DID NOT do and I AM NOT saying SHE DID!!! I know this girl I know her sister and her real mother and all of them I can help by answering some questions if needed.,Whatever it was that happened that night I pray to God that he brings it to light.,And that he be with Karrae who didn’t even get to go and say her last good byes to her baby at her funeral, that he find away to give her a peace of mind.,Some way,And that we all try and get a piece of mind about it.I don’t see it happing but maybe just maybe,But please don’t judge her until you know her and we have all the facts of what really happened that night.Not trying to be mean or judemental and I am sorry if it seems like that,.I just know in my heart of hearts I could not see Karrae doing this.,I pray the best not the worst…Thanks

    According to Karrae’s mother, someone supplied her with alcohol that night. She in caps asks caitlin for answers. This whole case is tragic in every sense.

    I know the trial is happening right now for Karrae, but not sure of any of the outcome at this point. Again, my understanding is that (and this may be rumor as I have yet to validate) there was alcohol provided to Karrae who had been drinking that night…. as the mother Deirdre had stated from the beginning. As many know, this can be a very bad mix when you include the fact that she was on medications for some mental issues (not sure if she is bi polar, or just suffered from depression etc.) At any rate, there still is very little as far as facts about this case.

    One other thing I have noted is that monies gathered up and donated to the family has went to Karrae and not toward Bianca’s Funeral or tombstone (rip little one). Apparently the grandmother and Dfcs has paid for these expenses thus far.

    If anyone else comes across information, please let me know.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    You know I get really mad when I hear people talking about Karrae like this.I know this girl and her family,I know everything this girl has been through.I have held Bianca in my arms and I know Karrae loved her child and would had given the world for that baby.NO one knows what really happened that night that a little life had been taken.I agree that if she was trying to kill Bianca she NEVER would had called 911 and try to save her.If you research this on the net further you will read where it says she isn’t and hasn’t been in her right mind,.OK lets look at that if she hasn’t been and still isn’t then she wouldn’t had known to call 911 and she wouldn’t had known to do CPR and if she had been drunk don’t ya think she wouldn’t had been able to that either.,I mean common sense tells me that.,And she was trying to help her daughter.Also if there was ANY sign of child abuse at all then why didn’t the day care where Bianca attended do anything.Shows something there that there wasn’t NO signs for them to do anything,,,I have 2 children and I know if anything EVER happened to them I would go INSANE….I have NOT been able to sleep or eat over this whole mess.I am NOT saying she DID NOT do and I AM NOT saying SHE DID!!! I know this girl I know her sister and her real mother and all of them I can help by answering some questions if needed.,Whatever it was that happened that night I pray to God that he brings it to light.,And that he be with Karrae who didn’t even get to go and say her last good byes to her baby at her funeral, that he find away to give her a peace of mind.,Some way,And that we all try and get a piece of mind about it.I don’t see it happing but maybe just maybe,But please don’t judge her until you know her and we have all the facts of what really happened that night.Not trying to be mean or judemental and I am sorry if it seems like that,.I just know in my heart of hearts I could not see Karrae doing this.,I pray the best not the worst…Thanks

    According to Karrae’s mother, someone supplied her with alcohol that night. She in caps asks caitlin for answers. This whole case is tragic in every sense.

    I know the trial is happening right now for Karrae, but not sure of any of the outcome at this point. Again, my understanding is that (and this may be rumor as I have yet to validate) there was alcohol provided to Karrae who had been drinking that night…. as the mother Deirdre had stated from the beginning. As many know, this can be a very bad mix when you include the fact that she was on medications for some mental issues (not sure if she is bi polar, or just suffered from depression etc.) At any rate, there still is very little as far as facts about this case.

    One other thing I have noted is that monies gathered up and donated to the family has went to Karrae and not toward Bianca’s Funeral or tombstone (rip little one). Apparently the grandmother and Dfcs has paid for these expenses thus far.

    If anyone else comes across information, please let me know.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Thank you Dneilz for that info.

    I’m anxiously awaiting the outcome of the trial, too.

  • Zibarro

    Thank you Dneilz for that info.

    I’m anxiously awaiting the outcome of the trial, too.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Okay, well I have been talking to Karrae’s mother, Deirdre and she says that she has found out that DAD and his girlfriend DID supply alcohol and was at the house that night that Bianca WAS in fact murdered. Additionally, Caitlin, the girl calling everyone names here…. she knows more and was possibly there when Bianca’s life was taken from her. Apparently, caitlin hasn’t spoken to Deirdre since the funeral and Deirdre figures this is because she knows more than she has admitted. After 911 was called…daddy and the girlfriend took off (cowards) so they wouldn’t be in trouble.

    This mother is having a very difficult time (emotionally and financially)….. any monies sent in memory of Bianca were taken and used for Karrae and did NOT go for what most people who donated would think they would go…to funeral and headstone expense. This is one of the saddest cases I have come across…and I think Deirdre could use all the support she can get right now.

    Also, can you believe that NO ONE else that was at the home is being charged???? I mean, if I were a judge, dad, the girlfriend and caitlin would all be charged as accessories to the murder of Bianca. They all could have stopped Karrae and they didn’t! I would have broken that mother fucking door down and saved that little girl. Caitlin, you might not be charged, but you are guilty too! You will have your judgment day!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Okay, well I have been talking to Karrae’s mother, Deirdre and she says that she has found out that DAD and his girlfriend DID supply alcohol and was at the house that night that Bianca WAS in fact murdered. Additionally, Caitlin, the girl calling everyone names here…. she knows more and was possibly there when Bianca’s life was taken from her. Apparently, caitlin hasn’t spoken to Deirdre since the funeral and Deirdre figures this is because she knows more than she has admitted. After 911 was called…daddy and the girlfriend took off (cowards) so they wouldn’t be in trouble.

    This mother is having a very difficult time (emotionally and financially)….. any monies sent in memory of Bianca were taken and used for Karrae and did NOT go for what most people who donated would think they would go…to funeral and headstone expense. This is one of the saddest cases I have come across…and I think Deirdre could use all the support she can get right now.

    Also, can you believe that NO ONE else that was at the home is being charged???? I mean, if I were a judge, dad, the girlfriend and caitlin would all be charged as accessories to the murder of Bianca. They all could have stopped Karrae and they didn’t! I would have broken that mother fucking door down and saved that little girl. Caitlin, you might not be charged, but you are guilty too! You will have your judgment day!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Yes CAITLIN—- You are a bitch, a cunt and an accessory and have fault in why bianca is dead… how bout that? You know what happened, you were there! You know your sister was supplied alcohol from her very own dad… great going grandpa. You have succeeded in NOT talking to Deirdre…and not being honest with WHO was there and WHO bought alcohol. Choke down your pride and do something right since you didn’t save Bianca from death by her drunk mother. You got answers and so does your dad and his girlfriend. Why didn’t you stop Karrae? Why didn’t YOU SAVE that precious little girl! Why are you not telling the truth about what happened????? LIAR!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    i’m stupid…i’m a cunt? BITCH you got another thing coming. i’m 17, i have a JOB…I go to COLLEGE….and all you can do is sit there on your fat ass judging me AGAIN. see its great( and annoying) that you wanna speak your MIND,but here is the the thing I SPEAK FACTS…..so no.. don’t sit there and think YOU can talk SHIT about ME and MY CHILD and get away with it. btw: this is the first time i’ve been on here…..sorry try again

    Yes CAITLIN—- You are a bitch, a cunt and an accessory and have fault in why bianca is dead… how bout that? You know what happened, you were there! You know your sister was supplied alcohol from her very own dad… great going grandpa. You have succeeded in NOT talking to Deirdre…and not being honest with WHO was there and WHO bought alcohol. Choke down your pride and do something right since you didn’t save Bianca from death by her drunk mother. You got answers and so does your dad and his girlfriend. Why didn’t you stop Karrae? Why didn’t YOU SAVE that precious little girl! Why are you not telling the truth about what happened????? LIAR!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Oh and caitlin… thanks for deleting me off Karrae’s myspace. Your mom told me you were the one who did this…. guess what, that was a stupid…very stupid move. I was trying to help her you nasty bitch…. I hold the adults that were there very responsible and those “COVERING UP” for the person (DAD) that brought and bought the alcohol. Dumbass!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Oh and caitlin… thanks for deleting me off Karrae’s myspace. Your mom told me you were the one who did this…. guess what, that was a stupid…very stupid move. I was trying to help her you nasty bitch…. I hold the adults that were there very responsible and those “COVERING UP” for the person (DAD) that brought and bought the alcohol. Dumbass!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Oh and caitlin, I love the video above where you lie on NATIONAL television…. you knew what happened, you were there! Why don’t you just be honest. You, your dad and his girlfriend and Karrae all (ALL) were there, right? Don’t lie

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Oh and caitlin, I love the video above where you lie on NATIONAL television…. you knew what happened, you were there! Why don’t you just be honest. You, your dad and his girlfriend and Karrae all (ALL) were there, right? Don’t lie

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Oh and caitlin, I love the video above where you lie on NATIONAL television…. you knew what happened, you were there! Why don’t you just be honest. You, your dad and his girlfriend and Karrae all (ALL) were there, right? Don’t lie

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Hey, Dneilz – Bait much? LOL

    You go girl! Get that little heifer back on here to explain herself. She was so full of herself last time she posted. Curious to see if she has the balls to show back up now.

    Regrettably, I doubt it.

    My best to Karrae’s mom.

    Any news on the trial?

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Hey, Dneilz – Bait much? LOL

    You go girl! Get that little heifer back on here to explain herself. She was so full of herself last time she posted. Curious to see if she has the balls to show back up now.

    Regrettably, I doubt it.

    My best to Karrae’s mom.

    Any news on the trial?

  • Zibarro

    Hey, Dneilz – Bait much? LOL

    You go girl! Get that little heifer back on here to explain herself. She was so full of herself last time she posted. Curious to see if she has the balls to show back up now.

    Regrettably, I doubt it.

    My best to Karrae’s mom.

    Any news on the trial?

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    I am trying to find out on the trial. The mother is very straight forward and honest. Even though she doesn’t like the facts she is not bull shitting anyone. I admire her for this!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    I am trying to find out on the trial. The mother is very straight forward and honest. Even though she doesn’t like the facts she is not bull shitting anyone. I admire her for this!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    I am trying to find out on the trial. The mother is very straight forward and honest. Even though she doesn’t like the facts she is not bull shitting anyone. I admire her for this!

  • buggysmommy

    I was thinking of “Bonka” the other day. This is the only story I have read on D’D that has completely taken me down. I honestly never believed that Karre killed her baby with a clear mind. Clearly she killed her child, but her sincerity and the love she shows for her in all of the pics-she could not have done it intentionally. This whole thing makes my heart ache so badly. That precious little girl is gone and there is her mother-the one who adored her and she adored back, sitting in jail looking at the rest of her life there. She was almost set up-by her own father! Fuck me! It’s just so compelling and heartwrenching.

    Fuck Caitlin! She set up a Myspace page for Bianca

    http://www.myspace.com/438230262

    -and is all over it whining about how she wishes she had taken her with her that night and how she was sorry for making Bianca stay with her mother-ndicating if she had only known. Now I read this-FUCK THAT BITCH! She made a tribute page becasue her guilt is fucking ravishing her insides. Good, I hope you suffer mentally and emotionally for the rest of your days-you will be in prison just like your sister.

    I feel so sad for Karre-she is so young and she was trying to do the right thing by being a descent mother and make some sort of life for her child. You can tell that she really took care of that baby-as mothers we can look and see. Picking out neglected children is sometimes easy to do-because we all know what it takes to take care of your baby. She was just living, getting by. Does this make it okay that she killed her baby-no, absolutely no.

    But the contributors are all walking free-while this girl is left to battle her own mind and conscience-for the rest of her life. I think I would shrivel up and die for such reasons…

    God Bless you “Bonka”-I did not know you,and I am sad that I didin’t – I would have fallen in love with you. Your precious little twinkle in those eyes and that lovely smile was simply intoxicating…

  • buggysmommy

    I was thinking of “Bonka” the other day. This is the only story I have read on D’D that has completely taken me down. I honestly never believed that Karre killed her baby with a clear mind. Clearly she killed her child, but her sincerity and the love she shows for her in all of the pics-she could not have done it intentionally. This whole thing makes my heart ache so badly. That precious little girl is gone and there is her mother-the one who adored her and she adored back, sitting in jail looking at the rest of her life there. She was almost set up-by her own father! Fuck me! It’s just so compelling and heartwrenching.

    Fuck Caitlin! She set up a Myspace page for Bianca

    http://www.myspace.com/438230262

    -and is all over it whining about how she wishes she had taken her with her that night and how she was sorry for making Bianca stay with her mother-ndicating if she had only known. Now I read this-FUCK THAT BITCH! She made a tribute page becasue her guilt is fucking ravishing her insides. Good, I hope you suffer mentally and emotionally for the rest of your days-you will be in prison just like your sister.

    I feel so sad for Karre-she is so young and she was trying to do the right thing by being a descent mother and make some sort of life for her child. You can tell that she really took care of that baby-as mothers we can look and see. Picking out neglected children is sometimes easy to do-because we all know what it takes to take care of your baby. She was just living, getting by. Does this make it okay that she killed her baby-no, absolutely no.

    But the contributors are all walking free-while this girl is left to battle her own mind and conscience-for the rest of her life. I think I would shrivel up and die for such reasons…

    God Bless you “Bonka”-I did not know you,and I am sad that I didin’t – I would have fallen in love with you. Your precious little twinkle in those eyes and that lovely smile was simply intoxicating…

  • buggysmommy

    I was thinking of “Bonka” the other day. This is the only story I have read on D’D that has completely taken me down. I honestly never believed that Karre killed her baby with a clear mind. Clearly she killed her child, but her sincerity and the love she shows for her in all of the pics-she could not have done it intentionally. This whole thing makes my heart ache so badly. That precious little girl is gone and there is her mother-the one who adored her and she adored back, sitting in jail looking at the rest of her life there. She was almost set up-by her own father! Fuck me! It’s just so compelling and heartwrenching.

    Fuck Caitlin! She set up a Myspace page for Bianca

    http://www.myspace.com/438230262

    -and is all over it whining about how she wishes she had taken her with her that night and how she was sorry for making Bianca stay with her mother-ndicating if she had only known. Now I read this-FUCK THAT BITCH! She made a tribute page becasue her guilt is fucking ravishing her insides. Good, I hope you suffer mentally and emotionally for the rest of your days-you will be in prison just like your sister.

    I feel so sad for Karre-she is so young and she was trying to do the right thing by being a descent mother and make some sort of life for her child. You can tell that she really took care of that baby-as mothers we can look and see. Picking out neglected children is sometimes easy to do-because we all know what it takes to take care of your baby. She was just living, getting by. Does this make it okay that she killed her baby-no, absolutely no.

    But the contributors are all walking free-while this girl is left to battle her own mind and conscience-for the rest of her life. I think I would shrivel up and die for such reasons…

    God Bless you “Bonka”-I did not know you,and I am sad that I didin’t – I would have fallen in love with you. Your precious little twinkle in those eyes and that lovely smile was simply intoxicating…

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Exactly… and I am sure that Deirdre wouldn’t say that she believed that caitlin (suspect) was there if she didn’t have reason. I also have read many posts where caitlin said she WAS THERE! So now… sorting out the truth is starting to happen. Justice For baby Bianca! R.I.P little one!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Exactly… and I am sure that Deirdre wouldn’t say that she believed that caitlin (suspect) was there if she didn’t have reason. I also have read many posts where caitlin said she WAS THERE! So now… sorting out the truth is starting to happen. Justice For baby Bianca! R.I.P little one!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Exactly… and I am sure that Deirdre wouldn’t say that she believed that caitlin (suspect) was there if she didn’t have reason. I also have read many posts where caitlin said she WAS THERE! So now… sorting out the truth is starting to happen. Justice For baby Bianca! R.I.P little one!

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Oh and caitlin, I love the video above where you lie on NATIONAL television…. you knew what happened, you were there! Why don’t you just be honest. You, your dad and his girlfriend and Karrae all (ALL) were there, right? Don’t lie

    I lied on national television?! LMFAO. No, i didn’t lie. I was There, but i was there for bianca’s actual death. The only tings i know are the tings told to me. My sister had to call me to tell me my niece was dead.

    Oh and caitlin… thanks for deleting me off Karrae’s myspace. Your mom told me you were the one who did this…. guess what, that was a stupid…very stupid move. I was trying to help her you nasty bitch…. I hold the adults that were there very responsible and those “COVERING UP” for the person (DAD) that brought and bought the alcohol. Dumbass!

    oh look the posterchild for “missing children” is getting mad. thats funny too. i have never had my sister’s myspace password and i never will til this day. yes i know who does have it and the person who deleted you, did it for a reason. you stuck your nose where it didn’t belong….especially when that certain someone was grieveing the most. so sorry i can’t help you with being on my sister’s myspace. and actually i guess you weren’t to worried about it, cuz you never tried to get back on her friends list. and also i never made a page for bianca. that page was made by someone who was “deeply moved” by the whole thing.

    and DEIRDRE may have given birth to me, but she has never been karrae’s or my mother. My mother’s name is stacy Decker. Deirdre has only been around bianca three times in her life. So that source right there is shot. and now you know why i get so mad when poeple think they have uncovered the “truth”.

    And yes to all who are reading this, i can answer your questions to the best of my ability. i have never lied to anyone . yes, two heads are better then one and i do love comments and ideas. so feel free.i’m an open book.

    Okay, well I have been talking to Karrae’s mother, Deirdre and she says that she has found out that DAD and his girlfriend DID supply alcohol and was at the house that night that Bianca WAS in fact murdered. Additionally, Caitlin, the girl calling everyone names here…. she knows more and was possibly there when Bianca’s life was taken from her. Apparently, caitlin hasn’t spoken to Deirdre since the funeral and Deirdre figures this is because she knows more than she has admitted. After 911 was called…daddy and the girlfriend took off (cowards) so they wouldn’t be in trouble.

    no they didn’t take off. All 14 people who were there, stayed until the very last cop car was gone. the alcohol was supplied by Shain GRIFFith, karrae’s ex

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Oh and caitlin, I love the video above where you lie on NATIONAL television…. you knew what happened, you were there! Why don’t you just be honest. You, your dad and his girlfriend and Karrae all (ALL) were there, right? Don’t lie

    I lied on national television?! LMFAO. No, i didn’t lie. I was There, but i was there for bianca’s actual death. The only tings i know are the tings told to me. My sister had to call me to tell me my niece was dead.

    Oh and caitlin… thanks for deleting me off Karrae’s myspace. Your mom told me you were the one who did this…. guess what, that was a stupid…very stupid move. I was trying to help her you nasty bitch…. I hold the adults that were there very responsible and those “COVERING UP” for the person (DAD) that brought and bought the alcohol. Dumbass!

    oh look the posterchild for “missing children” is getting mad. thats funny too. i have never had my sister’s myspace password and i never will til this day. yes i know who does have it and the person who deleted you, did it for a reason. you stuck your nose where it didn’t belong….especially when that certain someone was grieveing the most. so sorry i can’t help you with being on my sister’s myspace. and actually i guess you weren’t to worried about it, cuz you never tried to get back on her friends list. and also i never made a page for bianca. that page was made by someone who was “deeply moved” by the whole thing.

    and DEIRDRE may have given birth to me, but she has never been karrae’s or my mother. My mother’s name is stacy Decker. Deirdre has only been around bianca three times in her life. So that source right there is shot. and now you know why i get so mad when poeple think they have uncovered the “truth”.

    And yes to all who are reading this, i can answer your questions to the best of my ability. i have never lied to anyone . yes, two heads are better then one and i do love comments and ideas. so feel free.i’m an open book.

    Okay, well I have been talking to Karrae’s mother, Deirdre and she says that she has found out that DAD and his girlfriend DID supply alcohol and was at the house that night that Bianca WAS in fact murdered. Additionally, Caitlin, the girl calling everyone names here…. she knows more and was possibly there when Bianca’s life was taken from her. Apparently, caitlin hasn’t spoken to Deirdre since the funeral and Deirdre figures this is because she knows more than she has admitted. After 911 was called…daddy and the girlfriend took off (cowards) so they wouldn’t be in trouble.

    no they didn’t take off. All 14 people who were there, stayed until the very last cop car was gone. the alcohol was supplied by Shain GRIFFith, karrae’s ex

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Oh and caitlin, I love the video above where you lie on NATIONAL television…. you knew what happened, you were there! Why don’t you just be honest. You, your dad and his girlfriend and Karrae all (ALL) were there, right? Don’t lie

    I lied on national television?! LMFAO. No, i didn’t lie. I was There, but i was there for bianca’s actual death. The only tings i know are the tings told to me. My sister had to call me to tell me my niece was dead.

    Oh and caitlin… thanks for deleting me off Karrae’s myspace. Your mom told me you were the one who did this…. guess what, that was a stupid…very stupid move. I was trying to help her you nasty bitch…. I hold the adults that were there very responsible and those “COVERING UP” for the person (DAD) that brought and bought the alcohol. Dumbass!

    oh look the posterchild for “missing children” is getting mad. thats funny too. i have never had my sister’s myspace password and i never will til this day. yes i know who does have it and the person who deleted you, did it for a reason. you stuck your nose where it didn’t belong….especially when that certain someone was grieveing the most. so sorry i can’t help you with being on my sister’s myspace. and actually i guess you weren’t to worried about it, cuz you never tried to get back on her friends list. and also i never made a page for bianca. that page was made by someone who was “deeply moved” by the whole thing.

    and DEIRDRE may have given birth to me, but she has never been karrae’s or my mother. My mother’s name is stacy Decker. Deirdre has only been around bianca three times in her life. So that source right there is shot. and now you know why i get so mad when poeple think they have uncovered the “truth”.

    And yes to all who are reading this, i can answer your questions to the best of my ability. i have never lied to anyone . yes, two heads are better then one and i do love comments and ideas. so feel free.i’m an open book.

    Okay, well I have been talking to Karrae’s mother, Deirdre and she says that she has found out that DAD and his girlfriend DID supply alcohol and was at the house that night that Bianca WAS in fact murdered. Additionally, Caitlin, the girl calling everyone names here…. she knows more and was possibly there when Bianca’s life was taken from her. Apparently, caitlin hasn’t spoken to Deirdre since the funeral and Deirdre figures this is because she knows more than she has admitted. After 911 was called…daddy and the girlfriend took off (cowards) so they wouldn’t be in trouble.

    no they didn’t take off. All 14 people who were there, stayed until the very last cop car was gone. the alcohol was supplied by Shain GRIFFith, karrae’s ex

  • caitlin_ladyc

    You go girl! Get that little heifer back on here to explain herself. She was so full of herself last time she posted. Curious to see if she has the balls to show back up now.

    Oh yes dear, i have the balls to show my face here. and i have the balls to do alot more. i’m one mad bitch, so don’t test me since i’m so “full of myself”

    sorry i wasn’t here to reply later but i have a life.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    You go girl! Get that little heifer back on here to explain herself. She was so full of herself last time she posted. Curious to see if she has the balls to show back up now.

    Oh yes dear, i have the balls to show my face here. and i have the balls to do alot more. i’m one mad bitch, so don’t test me since i’m so “full of myself”

    sorry i wasn’t here to reply later but i have a life.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    You go girl! Get that little heifer back on here to explain herself. She was so full of herself last time she posted. Curious to see if she has the balls to show back up now.

    Oh yes dear, i have the balls to show my face here. and i have the balls to do alot more. i’m one mad bitch, so don’t test me since i’m so “full of myself”

    sorry i wasn’t here to reply later but i have a life.

  • thatsmallgrl

    no they didn’t take off. All 14 people who were there, stayed until the very last cop car was gone. the alcohol was supplied by Shain GRIFFith, karrae’s ex

    Wait a minute…. 14!!! Are you saying there were 14 people there? And out of those 14 people, who apparently stayed to talk to the cops, no one did a damn thing to stop this? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Please, please, please tell me that you didn’t just say there were 14 people there…. OMG, that’s beyond sickening.

  • thatsmallgrl

    no they didn’t take off. All 14 people who were there, stayed until the very last cop car was gone. the alcohol was supplied by Shain GRIFFith, karrae’s ex

    Wait a minute…. 14!!! Are you saying there were 14 people there? And out of those 14 people, who apparently stayed to talk to the cops, no one did a damn thing to stop this? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Please, please, please tell me that you didn’t just say there were 14 people there…. OMG, that’s beyond sickening.

  • thatsmallgrl

    no they didn’t take off. All 14 people who were there, stayed until the very last cop car was gone. the alcohol was supplied by Shain GRIFFith, karrae’s ex

    Wait a minute…. 14!!! Are you saying there were 14 people there? And out of those 14 people, who apparently stayed to talk to the cops, no one did a damn thing to stop this? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Please, please, please tell me that you didn’t just say there were 14 people there…. OMG, that’s beyond sickening.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Oh yes dear, i have the balls to show my face here. and i have the balls to do alot more. i’m one mad bitch, so don’t test me since i’m so “full of myself”

    Wait ———— is that a threat? LMAO! Seriously little girl? C’mon, now — how tough is that? Threatening someone through an anonymous forum? Is that how “mature” you are? God help YOUR child. I pray that, with a “mother” (and I use that term loosely) like you, your child survives childhood.
    Be mad, grieve – it’s all good. But threatening (or implied threats) — not so cool. Not so surprising though, seeing how you’re not even old enough to drink yet (but that apparently doesn’t stop you) and you likely wrote those words while a bit… inebriated.

    Oh, and if you’re gonna be mad? Be sure to point that anger in the right direction – Karrae, and the other 12 people (not counting you or, of course Bianca) that (you say) were there that night. By all means, save some for yourself. 14 people failed that child – 14 people allowed her to die. 14 people can now live with that on their conscience. Only 1 will have to actually pay for it.

    Dysfunction Junction.

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    Oh yes dear, i have the balls to show my face here. and i have the balls to do alot more. i’m one mad bitch, so don’t test me since i’m so “full of myself”

    Wait ———— is that a threat? LMAO! Seriously little girl? C’mon, now — how tough is that? Threatening someone through an anonymous forum? Is that how “mature” you are? God help YOUR child. I pray that, with a “mother” (and I use that term loosely) like you, your child survives childhood.
    Be mad, grieve – it’s all good. But threatening (or implied threats) — not so cool. Not so surprising though, seeing how you’re not even old enough to drink yet (but that apparently doesn’t stop you) and you likely wrote those words while a bit… inebriated.

    Oh, and if you’re gonna be mad? Be sure to point that anger in the right direction – Karrae, and the other 12 people (not counting you or, of course Bianca) that (you say) were there that night. By all means, save some for yourself. 14 people failed that child – 14 people allowed her to die. 14 people can now live with that on their conscience. Only 1 will have to actually pay for it.

    Dysfunction Junction.

  • Zibarro

    Oh yes dear, i have the balls to show my face here. and i have the balls to do alot more. i’m one mad bitch, so don’t test me since i’m so “full of myself”

    Wait ———— is that a threat? LMAO! Seriously little girl? C’mon, now — how tough is that? Threatening someone through an anonymous forum? Is that how “mature” you are? God help YOUR child. I pray that, with a “mother” (and I use that term loosely) like you, your child survives childhood.
    Be mad, grieve – it’s all good. But threatening (or implied threats) — not so cool. Not so surprising though, seeing how you’re not even old enough to drink yet (but that apparently doesn’t stop you) and you likely wrote those words while a bit… inebriated.

    Oh, and if you’re gonna be mad? Be sure to point that anger in the right direction – Karrae, and the other 12 people (not counting you or, of course Bianca) that (you say) were there that night. By all means, save some for yourself. 14 people failed that child – 14 people allowed her to die. 14 people can now live with that on their conscience. Only 1 will have to actually pay for it.

    Dysfunction Junction.

  • auddie

    and DEIRDRE may have given birth to me, but she has never been karrae’s or my mother. My mother’s name is stacy Decker. Deirdre has only been around bianca three times in her life. So that source right there is shot. and now you know why i get so mad when poeple think they have uncovered the “truth”.

    I kind of got that from reading the myspaces – Deirdre comes off as a whack job.

    I’m not familiar with this case but have read the article, all the comments and also the myspaces so here’s my questions:

    Has the autopsy been released yet? And if so, is Baby Bonkas mouth bruised?

    Are you the sister that Karrae recently “found”?

    Are you saying you, Dad & a GF were present while Karrae was killing Baby? Or all 14 were there by the time the scene was cleared?

    Comment: If ImpieQ’s article is correct and Mommy suffocated this 3 yr old with her hands until blood and foam shot out, fry her. No amount of alcohol/meds/excuses justify. That’s a gruesome – prolonged – hands on death that takes several excruciating minutes of deliberate force.

    I’m not buying the excuses.

  • auddie

    and DEIRDRE may have given birth to me, but she has never been karrae’s or my mother. My mother’s name is stacy Decker. Deirdre has only been around bianca three times in her life. So that source right there is shot. and now you know why i get so mad when poeple think they have uncovered the “truth”.

    I kind of got that from reading the myspaces – Deirdre comes off as a whack job.

    I’m not familiar with this case but have read the article, all the comments and also the myspaces so here’s my questions:

    Has the autopsy been released yet? And if so, is Baby Bonkas mouth bruised?

    Are you the sister that Karrae recently “found”?

    Are you saying you, Dad & a GF were present while Karrae was killing Baby? Or all 14 were there by the time the scene was cleared?

    Comment: If ImpieQ’s article is correct and Mommy suffocated this 3 yr old with her hands until blood and foam shot out, fry her. No amount of alcohol/meds/excuses justify. That’s a gruesome – prolonged – hands on death that takes several excruciating minutes of deliberate force.

    I’m not buying the excuses.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Wait a minute…. 14!!! Are you saying there were 14 people there? And out of those 14 people, who apparently stayed to talk to the cops, no one did a damn thing to stop this? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Please, please, please tell me that you didn’t just say there were 14 people there…. OMG, that’s beyond sickening.

    The only person that was there for the whole thing was billy waldrop, the other people were not even 3 mintues away. I didn’t get a call until later.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Wait a minute…. 14!!! Are you saying there were 14 people there? And out of those 14 people, who apparently stayed to talk to the cops, no one did a damn thing to stop this? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Please, please, please tell me that you didn’t just say there were 14 people there…. OMG, that’s beyond sickening.

    The only person that was there for the whole thing was billy waldrop, the other people were not even 3 mintues away. I didn’t get a call until later.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Wait a minute…. 14!!! Are you saying there were 14 people there? And out of those 14 people, who apparently stayed to talk to the cops, no one did a damn thing to stop this? What the fuck is wrong with you people? Please, please, please tell me that you didn’t just say there were 14 people there…. OMG, that’s beyond sickening.

    The only person that was there for the whole thing was billy waldrop, the other people were not even 3 mintues away. I didn’t get a call until later.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Has the autopsy been released yet? And if so, is Baby Bonkas mouth bruised?

    Yes but not to the public. its only availible to close family. Because of the new law with DCFS, it’ll probably stay like that.

    Are you the sister that Karrae recently “found”?

    No. I karrae’s full blooded sister. same mom and same dad.

    Are you saying you, Dad & a GF were present while Karrae was killing Baby? Or all 14 were there by the time the scene was cleared?

    They weren’t present. i have answered this question in the box above.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Has the autopsy been released yet? And if so, is Baby Bonkas mouth bruised?

    Yes but not to the public. its only availible to close family. Because of the new law with DCFS, it’ll probably stay like that.

    Are you the sister that Karrae recently “found”?

    No. I karrae’s full blooded sister. same mom and same dad.

    Are you saying you, Dad & a GF were present while Karrae was killing Baby? Or all 14 were there by the time the scene was cleared?

    They weren’t present. i have answered this question in the box above.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Has the autopsy been released yet? And if so, is Baby Bonkas mouth bruised?

    Yes but not to the public. its only availible to close family. Because of the new law with DCFS, it’ll probably stay like that.

    Are you the sister that Karrae recently “found”?

    No. I karrae’s full blooded sister. same mom and same dad.

    Are you saying you, Dad & a GF were present while Karrae was killing Baby? Or all 14 were there by the time the scene was cleared?

    They weren’t present. i have answered this question in the box above.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Wait ———— is that a threat? LMAO! Seriously little girl? C’mon, now — how tough is that? Threatening someone through an anonymous forum? Is that how “mature” you are? God help YOUR child. I pray that, with a “mother” (and I use that term loosely) like you, your child survives childhood.Be mad, grieve – it’s all good. But threatening (or implied threats) — not so cool. Not so surprising though, seeing how you’re not even old enough to drink yet (but that apparently doesn’t stop you) and you likely wrote those words while a bit… inebriated.

    ROTFLMFAO. i can’t even comment on your “thoughts”. and thank you, yes i do pray my daughter survives childhood for she is such a blessing. and what does my age have to do with anything. lol. your so fucking funny

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Wait ———— is that a threat? LMAO! Seriously little girl? C’mon, now — how tough is that? Threatening someone through an anonymous forum? Is that how “mature” you are? God help YOUR child. I pray that, with a “mother” (and I use that term loosely) like you, your child survives childhood.Be mad, grieve – it’s all good. But threatening (or implied threats) — not so cool. Not so surprising though, seeing how you’re not even old enough to drink yet (but that apparently doesn’t stop you) and you likely wrote those words while a bit… inebriated.

    ROTFLMFAO. i can’t even comment on your “thoughts”. and thank you, yes i do pray my daughter survives childhood for she is such a blessing. and what does my age have to do with anything. lol. your so fucking funny

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Wait ———— is that a threat? LMAO! Seriously little girl? C’mon, now — how tough is that? Threatening someone through an anonymous forum? Is that how “mature” you are? God help YOUR child. I pray that, with a “mother” (and I use that term loosely) like you, your child survives childhood.Be mad, grieve – it’s all good. But threatening (or implied threats) — not so cool. Not so surprising though, seeing how you’re not even old enough to drink yet (but that apparently doesn’t stop you) and you likely wrote those words while a bit… inebriated.

    ROTFLMFAO. i can’t even comment on your “thoughts”. and thank you, yes i do pray my daughter survives childhood for she is such a blessing. and what does my age have to do with anything. lol. your so fucking funny

  • buggysmommy

    Oh my God-what the fuck is wrong with you Caitlin? That baby is dead and all you can do is come into a public forum and provoke? Come on man-This is such a horrible story-and acting like a total ass to a bunch of faceless names who care about that baby-is just demeaning for all involved.

    You know, I think of your niece daily. She was so beautiful. My daughter (her pic is in my profile) reminds me of her a great deal. I could not wrap my head around how in hell Karre could have hurt her. How could she watch her baby practically implode and spew it outward-and not want to die with her? Unless she was impaired somehow? Now, from the moment I read about this, I did not feel in my heart that this was an intentional act. It is clear to me that she loved Bonka. There had to be something that caused this other than a temper tantrum or the notion that she was out and out evil to do it. I never felt like that was the case.

    Now the mention of alcohol mixed with powerful meds-fuck me-couldn’t anyone keep her from fucking drinking? Why would any of you even bring it into the house? What a bunch of selfish assholes.

    Again, I bear no ill will towards you-but can you please just come up in here and be a bit more dignified? For Bianca’s sake? Don’t you just wish you could hold her and touch her again? Doesn’t it make your heart ache when you think of your sister-fighting for her life now? And how she must be in her own personal hell wanting her baby back. I think I would probably die with my baby if I couldn’t see her or touch her again.

  • buggysmommy

    Oh my God-what the fuck is wrong with you Caitlin? That baby is dead and all you can do is come into a public forum and provoke? Come on man-This is such a horrible story-and acting like a total ass to a bunch of faceless names who care about that baby-is just demeaning for all involved.

    You know, I think of your niece daily. She was so beautiful. My daughter (her pic is in my profile) reminds me of her a great deal. I could not wrap my head around how in hell Karre could have hurt her. How could she watch her baby practically implode and spew it outward-and not want to die with her? Unless she was impaired somehow? Now, from the moment I read about this, I did not feel in my heart that this was an intentional act. It is clear to me that she loved Bonka. There had to be something that caused this other than a temper tantrum or the notion that she was out and out evil to do it. I never felt like that was the case.

    Now the mention of alcohol mixed with powerful meds-fuck me-couldn’t anyone keep her from fucking drinking? Why would any of you even bring it into the house? What a bunch of selfish assholes.

    Again, I bear no ill will towards you-but can you please just come up in here and be a bit more dignified? For Bianca’s sake? Don’t you just wish you could hold her and touch her again? Doesn’t it make your heart ache when you think of your sister-fighting for her life now? And how she must be in her own personal hell wanting her baby back. I think I would probably die with my baby if I couldn’t see her or touch her again.

  • buggysmommy

    Oh my God-what the fuck is wrong with you Caitlin? That baby is dead and all you can do is come into a public forum and provoke? Come on man-This is such a horrible story-and acting like a total ass to a bunch of faceless names who care about that baby-is just demeaning for all involved.

    You know, I think of your niece daily. She was so beautiful. My daughter (her pic is in my profile) reminds me of her a great deal. I could not wrap my head around how in hell Karre could have hurt her. How could she watch her baby practically implode and spew it outward-and not want to die with her? Unless she was impaired somehow? Now, from the moment I read about this, I did not feel in my heart that this was an intentional act. It is clear to me that she loved Bonka. There had to be something that caused this other than a temper tantrum or the notion that she was out and out evil to do it. I never felt like that was the case.

    Now the mention of alcohol mixed with powerful meds-fuck me-couldn’t anyone keep her from fucking drinking? Why would any of you even bring it into the house? What a bunch of selfish assholes.

    Again, I bear no ill will towards you-but can you please just come up in here and be a bit more dignified? For Bianca’s sake? Don’t you just wish you could hold her and touch her again? Doesn’t it make your heart ache when you think of your sister-fighting for her life now? And how she must be in her own personal hell wanting her baby back. I think I would probably die with my baby if I couldn’t see her or touch her again.

  • thatsmallgrl

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    The only person that was there for the whole thing was billy waldrop, the other people were not even 3 mintues away. I didn’t get a call until later.

    no they didn’t take off. All 14 people who were there, stayed until the very last cop car was gone. the alcohol was supplied by Shain GRIFFith, karrae’s ex

    Ok, so are you a perpetual liar or something? You stated you were in the room, said you helped put her to bed, and then helped with the CPR. THEN you say there were 14 people there. THEN you say just Billy was there.

    R u backtracking now? You should always check to make sure what you say first. One lie leaves to another to cover up the first and then turns intself into a tangled web. You are so damn tangled right now, it’s hard to keep up.

    So with that being said, why the FUCK didn’t anyone stop her from doing it? Be it you, or Billy, or 14 other fucking people? No one who was “supposedly” there did ANYTHING to stop it. Nothing. According to you there was someone there, whoever it is that day that works for you. Either way according to YOU there was at least one person there for the whole thing. Why was this allowed to happen?

  • thatsmallgrl

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    The only person that was there for the whole thing was billy waldrop, the other people were not even 3 mintues away. I didn’t get a call until later.

    no they didn’t take off. All 14 people who were there, stayed until the very last cop car was gone. the alcohol was supplied by Shain GRIFFith, karrae’s ex

    Ok, so are you a perpetual liar or something? You stated you were in the room, said you helped put her to bed, and then helped with the CPR. THEN you say there were 14 people there. THEN you say just Billy was there.

    R u backtracking now? You should always check to make sure what you say first. One lie leaves to another to cover up the first and then turns intself into a tangled web. You are so damn tangled right now, it’s hard to keep up.

    So with that being said, why the FUCK didn’t anyone stop her from doing it? Be it you, or Billy, or 14 other fucking people? No one who was “supposedly” there did ANYTHING to stop it. Nothing. According to you there was someone there, whoever it is that day that works for you. Either way according to YOU there was at least one person there for the whole thing. Why was this allowed to happen?

  • Lynn

    I can’t believe you all are baiting and name calling with a child. She’s only 17. A baby with a baby.

  • Lynn

    I can’t believe you all are baiting and name calling with a child. She’s only 17. A baby with a baby.

  • Lynn

    I can’t believe you all are baiting and name calling with a child. She’s only 17. A baby with a baby.

  • auddie

    The only person that was there for the whole thing was billy waldrop, the other people were not even 3 mintues away. I didn’t get a call until later.

    Tx for answering my questions caitlinLC! Can you (or anyone familiar with case) tell me who this Billy Waldrop is? And are you saying that this person was there during the actual death?

  • auddie

    The only person that was there for the whole thing was billy waldrop, the other people were not even 3 mintues away. I didn’t get a call until later.

    Tx for answering my questions caitlinLC! Can you (or anyone familiar with case) tell me who this Billy Waldrop is? And are you saying that this person was there during the actual death?

  • auddie

    The only person that was there for the whole thing was billy waldrop, the other people were not even 3 mintues away. I didn’t get a call until later.

    Tx for answering my questions caitlinLC! Can you (or anyone familiar with case) tell me who this Billy Waldrop is? And are you saying that this person was there during the actual death?

  • caitlin_ladyc

    You know, I think of your niece daily. She was so beautiful. My daughter (her pic is in my profile) reminds me of her a great deal. I could not wrap my head around how in hell Karre could have hurt her. How could she watch her baby practically implode and spew it outward-and not want to die with her? Unless she was impaired somehow? Now, from the moment I read about this, I did not feel in my heart that this was an intentional act. It is clear to me that she loved Bonka. There had to be something that caused this other than a temper tantrum or the notion that she was out and out evil to do it. I never felt like that was the case.

    Thank you. someone is actually thinking, when you said it wasn’t intentional. From the moment karrae found out that she was pregnant she didn’t get sad. she didn’t even cry once.she was unbelieveable through her pregnancy. picking out little clothes. buying things for bianca. She goggled about bianca so much, it made me sick! just kididng. but it was alot.she went to all kinds of birthing classes (which she made me go and those videos were gross! lol) she wanted to know what bianca was doing everyday in her stomach. and even til the few days til bianca’s death she had bought her a $300 hair straightner and karrae and i even planned a trip to disney world so that bianca could see “where the princess ‘s lived”. i just wish everybody could see how karrae was with bianca and then everybody could understand.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    You know, I think of your niece daily. She was so beautiful. My daughter (her pic is in my profile) reminds me of her a great deal. I could not wrap my head around how in hell Karre could have hurt her. How could she watch her baby practically implode and spew it outward-and not want to die with her? Unless she was impaired somehow? Now, from the moment I read about this, I did not feel in my heart that this was an intentional act. It is clear to me that she loved Bonka. There had to be something that caused this other than a temper tantrum or the notion that she was out and out evil to do it. I never felt like that was the case.

    Thank you. someone is actually thinking, when you said it wasn’t intentional. From the moment karrae found out that she was pregnant she didn’t get sad. she didn’t even cry once.she was unbelieveable through her pregnancy. picking out little clothes. buying things for bianca. She goggled about bianca so much, it made me sick! just kididng. but it was alot.she went to all kinds of birthing classes (which she made me go and those videos were gross! lol) she wanted to know what bianca was doing everyday in her stomach. and even til the few days til bianca’s death she had bought her a $300 hair straightner and karrae and i even planned a trip to disney world so that bianca could see “where the princess ‘s lived”. i just wish everybody could see how karrae was with bianca and then everybody could understand.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    You know, I think of your niece daily. She was so beautiful. My daughter (her pic is in my profile) reminds me of her a great deal. I could not wrap my head around how in hell Karre could have hurt her. How could she watch her baby practically implode and spew it outward-and not want to die with her? Unless she was impaired somehow? Now, from the moment I read about this, I did not feel in my heart that this was an intentional act. It is clear to me that she loved Bonka. There had to be something that caused this other than a temper tantrum or the notion that she was out and out evil to do it. I never felt like that was the case.

    Thank you. someone is actually thinking, when you said it wasn’t intentional. From the moment karrae found out that she was pregnant she didn’t get sad. she didn’t even cry once.she was unbelieveable through her pregnancy. picking out little clothes. buying things for bianca. She goggled about bianca so much, it made me sick! just kididng. but it was alot.she went to all kinds of birthing classes (which she made me go and those videos were gross! lol) she wanted to know what bianca was doing everyday in her stomach. and even til the few days til bianca’s death she had bought her a $300 hair straightner and karrae and i even planned a trip to disney world so that bianca could see “where the princess ‘s lived”. i just wish everybody could see how karrae was with bianca and then everybody could understand.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    I’m not sure where you got this, but i obvisously didn’t write this

  • caitlin_ladyc

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    I’m not sure where you got this, but i obvisously didn’t write this

  • caitlin_ladyc

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.

    I’m not sure where you got this, but i obvisously didn’t write this

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Tx for answering my questions caitlinLC! Can you (or anyone familiar with case) tell me who this Billy Waldrop is? And are you saying that this person was there during the actual death?

    ur welcome. i don’t want anyone getting the wrong idea about my sister.
    Karrae and shain broke up and then she met billy…i’m not sure how. Yes, he was there for the it. And actually when i went back to school, some of karrae’s friends told me that when karrae went to the store and they stayed to watch her. billy slammed bianca against the wall “because she was in his way”. i cried so hard after i heard that.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Tx for answering my questions caitlinLC! Can you (or anyone familiar with case) tell me who this Billy Waldrop is? And are you saying that this person was there during the actual death?

    ur welcome. i don’t want anyone getting the wrong idea about my sister.
    Karrae and shain broke up and then she met billy…i’m not sure how. Yes, he was there for the it. And actually when i went back to school, some of karrae’s friends told me that when karrae went to the store and they stayed to watch her. billy slammed bianca against the wall “because she was in his way”. i cried so hard after i heard that.

  • caitlin_ladyc

    Tx for answering my questions caitlinLC! Can you (or anyone familiar with case) tell me who this Billy Waldrop is? And are you saying that this person was there during the actual death?

    ur welcome. i don’t want anyone getting the wrong idea about my sister.
    Karrae and shain broke up and then she met billy…i’m not sure how. Yes, he was there for the it. And actually when i went back to school, some of karrae’s friends told me that when karrae went to the store and they stayed to watch her. billy slammed bianca against the wall “because she was in his way”. i cried so hard after i heard that.

  • thatsmallgrl

    I’m not sure where you got this, but i obvisously didn’t write this

    “caitlin_ladyc says:
    October 15, 2008 at 11:12 am

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    So did someone else log in as you and type that for you then?

  • thatsmallgrl

    I’m not sure where you got this, but i obvisously didn’t write this

    “caitlin_ladyc says:
    October 15, 2008 at 11:12 am

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    So did someone else log in as you and type that for you then?

  • thatsmallgrl

    I’m not sure where you got this, but i obvisously didn’t write this

    “caitlin_ladyc says:
    October 15, 2008 at 11:12 am

    okay i was in the room when it happened. there is nothing that karrae did to harm that child. and furthermore..someone has hacked into her myspace account and started fucking with it.
    you people need to talk what you know if not don’t say shit cause you weren’t there. i was. in the very room that it happend. i helped putting her to bed, and i with the cpr, and karrae was the one who made the 911 call. (if your gonna kill your kid,you wouldn’t make that call) and my father proceed to do cpr.”

    So did someone else log in as you and type that for you then?

  • thatsmallgrl

    “caitlin said:

    this is karrae’s younger sister. you people really don’t have jobs. I was in the room when it happened and karrae did nothing what so ever to that little girl. she didn’t harm her in the least bit. and the news and media twisted EVERYTHING down to the last detail about what happen that night.
    Posted 10/15/2008 at 10:42:57 AM”

    This is from true crime report. Tell me again you didn’t say that. PLease. Cause that’s two places you have said this.

  • thatsmallgrl

    “caitlin said:

    this is karrae’s younger sister. you people really don’t have jobs. I was in the room when it happened and karrae did nothing what so ever to that little girl. she didn’t harm her in the least bit. and the news and media twisted EVERYTHING down to the last detail about what happen that night.
    Posted 10/15/2008 at 10:42:57 AM”

    This is from true crime report. Tell me again you didn’t say that. PLease. Cause that’s two places you have said this.

  • thatsmallgrl

    “caitlin said:

    this is karrae’s younger sister. you people really don’t have jobs. I was in the room when it happened and karrae did nothing what so ever to that little girl. she didn’t harm her in the least bit. and the news and media twisted EVERYTHING down to the last detail about what happen that night.
    Posted 10/15/2008 at 10:42:57 AM”

    This is from true crime report. Tell me again you didn’t say that. PLease. Cause that’s two places you have said this.

  • thatsmallgrl

    And look at that, both stated on the same datem around the same time. You might want to talk to your imposter. Ha.

  • thatsmallgrl

    And look at that, both stated on the same datem around the same time. You might want to talk to your imposter. Ha.

  • thatsmallgrl

    And look at that, both stated on the same datem around the same time. You might want to talk to your imposter. Ha.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    it is weird, but now I can see karraes myspace page again, where at one time I was banned.  I mean, truly banned. Well my hope is that they figure out exactly what happened to this precious child and deliver the proper justice to whom deserves said justice. My concern ultimately is that Bianca’s death bring about some changes so that situations like this are prevented. It is too late to save Bianca’s life, but it isn’t too late for other children who may be in danger by an adult (parent or not). It will be interesting to see what happens with the trial.  Praying for Bianca to have some justice.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    it is weird, but now I can see karraes myspace page again, where at one time I was banned.  I mean, truly banned. Well my hope is that they figure out exactly what happened to this precious child and deliver the proper justice to whom deserves said justice. My concern ultimately is that Bianca’s death bring about some changes so that situations like this are prevented. It is too late to save Bianca’s life, but it isn’t too late for other children who may be in danger by an adult (parent or not). It will be interesting to see what happens with the trial.  Praying for Bianca to have some justice.

  • Max The Cat

    thatsmallgrl: And look at that, both stated on the same datem around the same time.You might want to talk to your imposter. Ha.

    You’re good thatsmallgrl, really good – I remember those posts. Friends and family members who support their loved one after they do something like what Karrae seems to have done are pretty cool in my book,  but the ones like Caitlin here, who either have the common sense and intelligence of a gopher or are just plain lying, really make me crazy.

    Like they say, denial is not just a river in Egypt

  • Max The Cat

    thatsmallgrl: And look at that, both stated on the same datem around the same time.You might want to talk to your imposter. Ha.

    You’re good thatsmallgrl, really good – I remember those posts. Friends and family members who support their loved one after they do something like what Karrae seems to have done are pretty cool in my book,  but the ones like Caitlin here, who either have the common sense and intelligence of a gopher or are just plain lying, really make me crazy.

    Like they say, denial is not just a river in Egypt

  • Uvgottabkiddin

    Max The Cat:
     
    Like they say, denial is not just a river in Egypt

    hahahaaaa  SHUT UP !!!!

  • Uvgottabkiddin

    Max The Cat:
     
    Like they say, denial is not just a river in Egypt

    hahahaaaa  SHUT UP !!!!

  • Uvgottabkiddin

    Max The Cat:
     
    Like they say, denial is not just a river in Egypt

    hahahaaaa  SHUT UP !!!!

  • sunnyday78

    I just want to make it plainly known that contrary to what anyone says, Caitlin was not at that house until after the police had arrived and Karrae’s father arrived just prior to the police as he was on his way to her house.  The only person who was at that house was not in the house and that was Billy.  According to police records.  I don’t like these forums yet I find myself reading these awful things in horror.  I love Karrae so much and she is going through a lot right now.  I have been to her court hearings and I speak with her on a regular basis.  She is devastated and of course still in shock.  Don’t you think the police have the facts?  I know they do because I have had to hear them plainly.  They know who provided alcohol, they know who was or wasn’t at the house.  They have an ongoing investigation of course.  The law doesn’t overlook things of relevance they just don’t disclose all the details.  And neither will I.   Because this family has been torn to shreds under the scrutiny of the public.  A public who didn’t have a view of Karrae’s life at all.  A public who could easily find themselves in a situation that rocks the foundations of life.  This is horrible and it’s so easy to point fingers and lay blame.  I too have been guilty of the very same thing when I watched the news about others.  Then it became personal for me and I suddenly understood the pain and loss I never wanted to know.  Csitlin loves her sister and she is hurting.  She is young and she has lost a lot.  Yes she lashes out…wouldn’t you be angry if someone spoke about people you loved so dearly and missed?  She is trying to cope not only with the loss of her neice but the loss of her sister.  I will regret placing myself under this scrutiny of course, but I have to speak for my girls.  Because I know them.  Because I know the truth of their lives.  Because we all have been young and anyone is subject to find themselves in a tragic situation.  It’s so simple to tell others what must be done to change a situation in hindsight.  But in the midst of things its hard to see possible outcomes when you believe the help being sought is going to be effective.  I don’t know how this will turn out.  Only that I miss Bianca every day and I miss Karrae.

  • sunnyday78

    I just want to make it plainly known that contrary to what anyone says, Caitlin was not at that house until after the police had arrived and Karrae’s father arrived just prior to the police as he was on his way to her house.  The only person who was at that house was not in the house and that was Billy.  According to police records.  I don’t like these forums yet I find myself reading these awful things in horror.  I love Karrae so much and she is going through a lot right now.  I have been to her court hearings and I speak with her on a regular basis.  She is devastated and of course still in shock.  Don’t you think the police have the facts?  I know they do because I have had to hear them plainly.  They know who provided alcohol, they know who was or wasn’t at the house.  They have an ongoing investigation of course.  The law doesn’t overlook things of relevance they just don’t disclose all the details.  And neither will I.   Because this family has been torn to shreds under the scrutiny of the public.  A public who didn’t have a view of Karrae’s life at all.  A public who could easily find themselves in a situation that rocks the foundations of life.  This is horrible and it’s so easy to point fingers and lay blame.  I too have been guilty of the very same thing when I watched the news about others.  Then it became personal for me and I suddenly understood the pain and loss I never wanted to know.  Csitlin loves her sister and she is hurting.  She is young and she has lost a lot.  Yes she lashes out…wouldn’t you be angry if someone spoke about people you loved so dearly and missed?  She is trying to cope not only with the loss of her neice but the loss of her sister.  I will regret placing myself under this scrutiny of course, but I have to speak for my girls.  Because I know them.  Because I know the truth of their lives.  Because we all have been young and anyone is subject to find themselves in a tragic situation.  It’s so simple to tell others what must be done to change a situation in hindsight.  But in the midst of things its hard to see possible outcomes when you believe the help being sought is going to be effective.  I don’t know how this will turn out.  Only that I miss Bianca every day and I miss Karrae.

  • sunnyday78

    I just want to make it plainly known that contrary to what anyone says, Caitlin was not at that house until after the police had arrived and Karrae’s father arrived just prior to the police as he was on his way to her house.  The only person who was at that house was not in the house and that was Billy.  According to police records.  I don’t like these forums yet I find myself reading these awful things in horror.  I love Karrae so much and she is going through a lot right now.  I have been to her court hearings and I speak with her on a regular basis.  She is devastated and of course still in shock.  Don’t you think the police have the facts?  I know they do because I have had to hear them plainly.  They know who provided alcohol, they know who was or wasn’t at the house.  They have an ongoing investigation of course.  The law doesn’t overlook things of relevance they just don’t disclose all the details.  And neither will I.   Because this family has been torn to shreds under the scrutiny of the public.  A public who didn’t have a view of Karrae’s life at all.  A public who could easily find themselves in a situation that rocks the foundations of life.  This is horrible and it’s so easy to point fingers and lay blame.  I too have been guilty of the very same thing when I watched the news about others.  Then it became personal for me and I suddenly understood the pain and loss I never wanted to know.  Csitlin loves her sister and she is hurting.  She is young and she has lost a lot.  Yes she lashes out…wouldn’t you be angry if someone spoke about people you loved so dearly and missed?  She is trying to cope not only with the loss of her neice but the loss of her sister.  I will regret placing myself under this scrutiny of course, but I have to speak for my girls.  Because I know them.  Because I know the truth of their lives.  Because we all have been young and anyone is subject to find themselves in a tragic situation.  It’s so simple to tell others what must be done to change a situation in hindsight.  But in the midst of things its hard to see possible outcomes when you believe the help being sought is going to be effective.  I don’t know how this will turn out.  Only that I miss Bianca every day and I miss Karrae.

  • tutkill

    Dneilz:
    it is weird, but now I can see karraes myspace page again, where at one time I was banned.  I mean, truly banned. Well my hope is that they figure out exactly what happened to this precious child and deliver the proper justice to whom deserves said justice. My concern ultimately is that Bianca’s death bring about some changes so that situations like this are prevented. It is too late to save Bianca’s life, but it isn’t too late for other children who may be in danger by an adult (parent or not). It will be interesting to see what happens with the trial.  Praying for Bianca to have some justice

    you were banned!!!! ROFL  You Avenger you!!! Keep it up!

  • tutkill

    Dneilz:
    it is weird, but now I can see karraes myspace page again, where at one time I was banned.  I mean, truly banned. Well my hope is that they figure out exactly what happened to this precious child and deliver the proper justice to whom deserves said justice. My concern ultimately is that Bianca’s death bring about some changes so that situations like this are prevented. It is too late to save Bianca’s life, but it isn’t too late for other children who may be in danger by an adult (parent or not). It will be interesting to see what happens with the trial.  Praying for Bianca to have some justice

    you were banned!!!! ROFL  You Avenger you!!! Keep it up!

  • tutkill

    Dneilz:
    it is weird, but now I can see karraes myspace page again, where at one time I was banned.  I mean, truly banned. Well my hope is that they figure out exactly what happened to this precious child and deliver the proper justice to whom deserves said justice. My concern ultimately is that Bianca’s death bring about some changes so that situations like this are prevented. It is too late to save Bianca’s life, but it isn’t too late for other children who may be in danger by an adult (parent or not). It will be interesting to see what happens with the trial.  Praying for Bianca to have some justice

    you were banned!!!! ROFL  You Avenger you!!! Keep it up!

  • Uvgottabkiddin

    sunnyday:
    if the police have all of the information why has Karrae been charged?

  • Uvgottabkiddin

    sunnyday:
    if the police have all of the information why has Karrae been charged?

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Lizard

    sunnyday78: A public who could easily find themselves in a situation that rocks the foundations of life.

    OH MY GOD. I’ve figured it out. Karrae is the cause of the swine flu pandemic that will kill us all, isn’t she?

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ Lizard

    sunnyday78: A public who could easily find themselves in a situation that rocks the foundations of life.

    OH MY GOD. I’ve figured it out. Karrae is the cause of the swine flu pandemic that will kill us all, isn’t she?

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Lizard

    sunnyday78: A public who could easily find themselves in a situation that rocks the foundations of life.

    OH MY GOD. I’ve figured it out. Karrae is the cause of the swine flu pandemic that will kill us all, isn’t she?

  • sunnyday78

    It’s always good when someone takea a person’s pain and makes a joke of it.  Well what is life without humor and sarcasm?  I didn’t mean that as a world wide statement clearly it was personalized, as this has certainly changed the way I veiw life. I’m pretty sure it would do that for anyone in similar circumstances.   As to why Karrae is being charged…The facts I was referring to were about who provided alcohol and such since everyone keeps bringing it up.  I know Karrae didn’t do anything to intentionally harm her child and that is all I have to say about it.  And that’s all I need to know at the end of the day. 

  • sunnyday78

    It’s always good when someone takea a person’s pain and makes a joke of it.  Well what is life without humor and sarcasm?  I didn’t mean that as a world wide statement clearly it was personalized, as this has certainly changed the way I veiw life. I’m pretty sure it would do that for anyone in similar circumstances.   As to why Karrae is being charged…The facts I was referring to were about who provided alcohol and such since everyone keeps bringing it up.  I know Karrae didn’t do anything to intentionally harm her child and that is all I have to say about it.  And that’s all I need to know at the end of the day. 

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Sunnyday 78….  It is apparent that you do care.  I am sorry if anything I have personally said has offended or hurt you. Please understand that children every single day, innocent defenseless children,  are murdered by the very hands that god entrusted them to be nurtured with….. yes, their own parents. I understand tragedies happen.  The true tragedy is that this young single mom did not have the much needed guidance and support that she needed in order to keep something like this from happening.

    And yes, I do have a problem with whomever provided this young woman with alcohol.   I hope they realize that they are the first domino to fall costing Bianca and Karrae their life. 

    I do believe Caitlin loves her sister and also Bianca. Whether someone has posted here and there under her name  still remains to be unclear.  I am sure Karrae is broken hearted….

    and yes, I am sure there IS much more to this whole situation. And I would hope that whoever was involved in providing the alcohol to Karrae will step up and take some of the consequences that Karrae is facing.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Sunnyday 78….  It is apparent that you do care.  I am sorry if anything I have personally said has offended or hurt you. Please understand that children every single day, innocent defenseless children,  are murdered by the very hands that god entrusted them to be nurtured with….. yes, their own parents. I understand tragedies happen.  The true tragedy is that this young single mom did not have the much needed guidance and support that she needed in order to keep something like this from happening.

    And yes, I do have a problem with whomever provided this young woman with alcohol.   I hope they realize that they are the first domino to fall costing Bianca and Karrae their life. 

    I do believe Caitlin loves her sister and also Bianca. Whether someone has posted here and there under her name  still remains to be unclear.  I am sure Karrae is broken hearted….

    and yes, I am sure there IS much more to this whole situation. And I would hope that whoever was involved in providing the alcohol to Karrae will step up and take some of the consequences that Karrae is facing.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Sunnyday 78….  It is apparent that you do care.  I am sorry if anything I have personally said has offended or hurt you. Please understand that children every single day, innocent defenseless children,  are murdered by the very hands that god entrusted them to be nurtured with….. yes, their own parents. I understand tragedies happen.  The true tragedy is that this young single mom did not have the much needed guidance and support that she needed in order to keep something like this from happening.

    And yes, I do have a problem with whomever provided this young woman with alcohol.   I hope they realize that they are the first domino to fall costing Bianca and Karrae their life. 

    I do believe Caitlin loves her sister and also Bianca. Whether someone has posted here and there under her name  still remains to be unclear.  I am sure Karrae is broken hearted….

    and yes, I am sure there IS much more to this whole situation. And I would hope that whoever was involved in providing the alcohol to Karrae will step up and take some of the consequences that Karrae is facing.

  • sunnyday78

    DNeilz,  Wouldn’t that be lovely if they did.  But as I discussed with you privately the person who provided the alcohol is known by the police to be her ex.  I just don’t think they particularly care about that or anything else that has contributed to this.  I have shared these facts with her attorney I assure you.  I suppose it can’t be said enough.  Unfortunately, I’m guessing that although Karrae was under 21 the police see her as an adult because she was 18.   If I knew at 18 what I know now… The biggest factor here is that a licensed practitioner of psychiatric medicine who knew her history, actually prescribed several medications that shouldn’t have been prescribed to someone under the age of 25 not to mention together.  And he in fact, is under investigation.  He is in fact in jeopardy of losing his license to practice medicine and is under investigation related to others he prescribed meds to.  I hate what is happening to Karrae and I hate that an innocent child is dead.  I loved that chld.  Anyone of us could have done more to help Karrae…ABSOLUTELY!  I think about it every single day.  Sadly, many children are taught throughout thier lives that drugs and alcohol are great coping mechanisms.  Some people live thier whole lives never knowing that there could be consequences for this…while others lives are changed forever in an instant.   I believe whole heartedly that there were other things at play here… I wish I had the answers indefinitely and never had to hear a debate about this or feel compelled to respond.  And while I feel so strongly about it…what right do I have to say anything now, after the fact?  As I look back at my own role in Karrae’s life I ask myself why.   WHY?  Why did this happen when everything seemed to be going good just a few moments earlier?  WHY?  Sure I get to know what but I’ll never ever accept why.  It will hurt Karrae and this family forever.  I wonder if the police will delve further into this but they don’t seem interested in the hows or whys…just the whos.  They have had information and been asked the questions.  Right now it seems hard to hang on to hope.  And sometimes it’s all I have to grasp for.

  • sunnyday78

    DNeilz,  Wouldn’t that be lovely if they did.  But as I discussed with you privately the person who provided the alcohol is known by the police to be her ex.  I just don’t think they particularly care about that or anything else that has contributed to this.  I have shared these facts with her attorney I assure you.  I suppose it can’t be said enough.  Unfortunately, I’m guessing that although Karrae was under 21 the police see her as an adult because she was 18.   If I knew at 18 what I know now… The biggest factor here is that a licensed practitioner of psychiatric medicine who knew her history, actually prescribed several medications that shouldn’t have been prescribed to someone under the age of 25 not to mention together.  And he in fact, is under investigation.  He is in fact in jeopardy of losing his license to practice medicine and is under investigation related to others he prescribed meds to.  I hate what is happening to Karrae and I hate that an innocent child is dead.  I loved that chld.  Anyone of us could have done more to help Karrae…ABSOLUTELY!  I think about it every single day.  Sadly, many children are taught throughout thier lives that drugs and alcohol are great coping mechanisms.  Some people live thier whole lives never knowing that there could be consequences for this…while others lives are changed forever in an instant.   I believe whole heartedly that there were other things at play here… I wish I had the answers indefinitely and never had to hear a debate about this or feel compelled to respond.  And while I feel so strongly about it…what right do I have to say anything now, after the fact?  As I look back at my own role in Karrae’s life I ask myself why.   WHY?  Why did this happen when everything seemed to be going good just a few moments earlier?  WHY?  Sure I get to know what but I’ll never ever accept why.  It will hurt Karrae and this family forever.  I wonder if the police will delve further into this but they don’t seem interested in the hows or whys…just the whos.  They have had information and been asked the questions.  Right now it seems hard to hang on to hope.  And sometimes it’s all I have to grasp for.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Sunnyday78
    This is probably the first time I have ever really been able to somewhat understand how this could happen. I too have taken some of these psychotropic drugs and also have drank on them. You actually become a walking zombie on them…add alcohol and it is worse. I missed a lot of my life while on those medications and drinking and I thank God I wasn’t one of those people who have hurt someone or myself while on this mix.
    I certainly am not out to hurt anyone and I, like you, want to see the person who provided the alcohol to be found and brought to justice. And as far as the prescribing doctor… yes, he should be investigated. Doctors these days throw pills at you and rarely keep a close eye on you. Trust me, I was given a very bad mix about 6 years ago and ended up in the Emergency room. It is ridiculous how over used psychotropic drugs are used. 
    It has been noted, no just by me, but by other members here that her myspace certainly does reflect that Karrae loves her daughter.  Pictures truly do speak thousands of words. She is a young girl and I hope that someday she will be able to once again set her feet toward her future. Perhaps One Day, she will be able to forgive herself for the mistakes she has made. This could have happened to anyone if they were in her shoes.  There will be many who may not agree with me, but I have come to the absolute conclusion that this was NOT murder, but a terrible tragedy that happened because of the poor choice to drink.  She wouldn’t have been drinking if some idiot had NOT provided her the alcohol. And if  HE was there, why did he not help Karrae from this happening. Why didn’t he call you, or her dad or someone for help???  Do you know what her blood alcohol was?

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Sunnyday78
    This is probably the first time I have ever really been able to somewhat understand how this could happen. I too have taken some of these psychotropic drugs and also have drank on them. You actually become a walking zombie on them…add alcohol and it is worse. I missed a lot of my life while on those medications and drinking and I thank God I wasn’t one of those people who have hurt someone or myself while on this mix.
    I certainly am not out to hurt anyone and I, like you, want to see the person who provided the alcohol to be found and brought to justice. And as far as the prescribing doctor… yes, he should be investigated. Doctors these days throw pills at you and rarely keep a close eye on you. Trust me, I was given a very bad mix about 6 years ago and ended up in the Emergency room. It is ridiculous how over used psychotropic drugs are used. 
    It has been noted, no just by me, but by other members here that her myspace certainly does reflect that Karrae loves her daughter.  Pictures truly do speak thousands of words. She is a young girl and I hope that someday she will be able to once again set her feet toward her future. Perhaps One Day, she will be able to forgive herself for the mistakes she has made. This could have happened to anyone if they were in her shoes.  There will be many who may not agree with me, but I have come to the absolute conclusion that this was NOT murder, but a terrible tragedy that happened because of the poor choice to drink.  She wouldn’t have been drinking if some idiot had NOT provided her the alcohol. And if  HE was there, why did he not help Karrae from this happening. Why didn’t he call you, or her dad or someone for help???  Do you know what her blood alcohol was?

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    Sunnyday78
    This is probably the first time I have ever really been able to somewhat understand how this could happen. I too have taken some of these psychotropic drugs and also have drank on them. You actually become a walking zombie on them…add alcohol and it is worse. I missed a lot of my life while on those medications and drinking and I thank God I wasn’t one of those people who have hurt someone or myself while on this mix.
    I certainly am not out to hurt anyone and I, like you, want to see the person who provided the alcohol to be found and brought to justice. And as far as the prescribing doctor… yes, he should be investigated. Doctors these days throw pills at you and rarely keep a close eye on you. Trust me, I was given a very bad mix about 6 years ago and ended up in the Emergency room. It is ridiculous how over used psychotropic drugs are used. 
    It has been noted, no just by me, but by other members here that her myspace certainly does reflect that Karrae loves her daughter.  Pictures truly do speak thousands of words. She is a young girl and I hope that someday she will be able to once again set her feet toward her future. Perhaps One Day, she will be able to forgive herself for the mistakes she has made. This could have happened to anyone if they were in her shoes.  There will be many who may not agree with me, but I have come to the absolute conclusion that this was NOT murder, but a terrible tragedy that happened because of the poor choice to drink.  She wouldn’t have been drinking if some idiot had NOT provided her the alcohol. And if  HE was there, why did he not help Karrae from this happening. Why didn’t he call you, or her dad or someone for help???  Do you know what her blood alcohol was?

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    DNeilz – I normally don’t disagree with you – and I agree with most of what you’ve written here —– but —– this was more than just a “terrible tragedy”. A “terrible tragedy” is when your child dies by accidental means.  Although Karrae may not have intended Bianca to die – she did something to that child that caused her to die. Just as a drunk driver doesn’t “intend” to kill anyone – it doesn’t excuse him when he does.  And rarely does anyone go after the bartender that served him. 
    I don’t want to see Karrae go down for murder – but I also don’t think that she should just walk free, either.  Something she did killed that precious child. 
    The first thing she did to seal Bianca’s fate was to drink on top of those drugs.  No one poured the alcohol down her throat – she chose it.  You can’t say “she was too young to make such a decision or be held accountable for it”.  If that were so – she sure as hell shouldn’t have been raising a child.  If she couldn’t make the right choices for herself - Bianca was doomed from the git go. 
    Perhaps involuntary manslaughter – or even voluntary… but I agree it shouldn’t rise to the scope of “murder” in any degree.
    I don’t want to be argumentative.  I respect your opinion.  I just don’t agree with ALL of it.  :-)

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    DNeilz – I normally don’t disagree with you – and I agree with most of what you’ve written here —– but —– this was more than just a “terrible tragedy”. A “terrible tragedy” is when your child dies by accidental means.  Although Karrae may not have intended Bianca to die – she did something to that child that caused her to die. Just as a drunk driver doesn’t “intend” to kill anyone – it doesn’t excuse him when he does.  And rarely does anyone go after the bartender that served him. 
    I don’t want to see Karrae go down for murder – but I also don’t think that she should just walk free, either.  Something she did killed that precious child. 
    The first thing she did to seal Bianca’s fate was to drink on top of those drugs.  No one poured the alcohol down her throat – she chose it.  You can’t say “she was too young to make such a decision or be held accountable for it”.  If that were so – she sure as hell shouldn’t have been raising a child.  If she couldn’t make the right choices for herself - Bianca was doomed from the git go. 
    Perhaps involuntary manslaughter – or even voluntary… but I agree it shouldn’t rise to the scope of “murder” in any degree.
    I don’t want to be argumentative.  I respect your opinion.  I just don’t agree with ALL of it.  :-)

  • Zibarro aka Kryssa

    DNeilz – I normally don’t disagree with you – and I agree with most of what you’ve written here —– but —– this was more than just a “terrible tragedy”. A “terrible tragedy” is when your child dies by accidental means.  Although Karrae may not have intended Bianca to die – she did something to that child that caused her to die. Just as a drunk driver doesn’t “intend” to kill anyone – it doesn’t excuse him when he does.  And rarely does anyone go after the bartender that served him. 
    I don’t want to see Karrae go down for murder – but I also don’t think that she should just walk free, either.  Something she did killed that precious child. 
    The first thing she did to seal Bianca’s fate was to drink on top of those drugs.  No one poured the alcohol down her throat – she chose it.  You can’t say “she was too young to make such a decision or be held accountable for it”.  If that were so – she sure as hell shouldn’t have been raising a child.  If she couldn’t make the right choices for herself - Bianca was doomed from the git go. 
    Perhaps involuntary manslaughter – or even voluntary… but I agree it shouldn’t rise to the scope of “murder” in any degree.
    I don’t want to be argumentative.  I respect your opinion.  I just don’t agree with ALL of it.  :-)

  • Zibarro

    DNeilz – I normally don’t disagree with you – and I agree with most of what you’ve written here —– but —– this was more than just a “terrible tragedy”. A “terrible tragedy” is when your child dies by accidental means.  Although Karrae may not have intended Bianca to die – she did something to that child that caused her to die. Just as a drunk driver doesn’t “intend” to kill anyone – it doesn’t excuse him when he does.  And rarely does anyone go after the bartender that served him. 
    I don’t want to see Karrae go down for murder – but I also don’t think that she should just walk free, either.  Something she did killed that precious child. 
    The first thing she did to seal Bianca’s fate was to drink on top of those drugs.  No one poured the alcohol down her throat – she chose it.  You can’t say “she was too young to make such a decision or be held accountable for it”.  If that were so – she sure as hell shouldn’t have been raising a child.  If she couldn’t make the right choices for herself - Bianca was doomed from the git go. 
    Perhaps involuntary manslaughter – or even voluntary… but I agree it shouldn’t rise to the scope of “murder” in any degree.
    I don’t want to be argumentative.  I respect your opinion.  I just don’t agree with ALL of it.  :-)

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    zibarro- yes in reading that over I see where I did misstate or not word my thoughts correctly. I agree with you. I think this was more of a situation where she had already drank, her judgment was way off and she was unable to handle her daughter with complete clarity. I guess I see it as a tragedy for Bianca and those who loved her. A tragedy that no one realized Karrae  was using alcohol to this level.  A tragedy because this didn’t have to happen… it wasn’t intentional but a poor choice.  Yes, a tragedy because that baby girl loved her mommy too and the thought of what she was thinking when this happened to her keeps me awake at all hours of the night.  I guess that was and still is somewhat the only word I can think of to describe this. 

    oh Zibarro, I know better than to be argumentative (dneil is ducking)…  :p  and I completely respect what you are saying and can see where I wasn’t clear with what I was meaning.  And perhaps it is that this particular case has bothered me to the point where I have reflected back on the very stupid chances I had taken when I was younger.  I thank God that I didn’t make any poor choices that hurt anyone, especially my children, while I was making poor choices.

    I looked up the word tragedy because I wondered if that was really what I should call it and I am still going to call it that. It means, ” a disastrous event especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life. “ 

    I don’t know… dneilz can be a little ‘off’ on days… I’ll be good.  I think I need some calgon… the husband is being a real jerk today/night. blah

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    zibarro- yes in reading that over I see where I did misstate or not word my thoughts correctly. I agree with you. I think this was more of a situation where she had already drank, her judgment was way off and she was unable to handle her daughter with complete clarity. I guess I see it as a tragedy for Bianca and those who loved her. A tragedy that no one realized Karrae  was using alcohol to this level.  A tragedy because this didn’t have to happen… it wasn’t intentional but a poor choice.  Yes, a tragedy because that baby girl loved her mommy too and the thought of what she was thinking when this happened to her keeps me awake at all hours of the night.  I guess that was and still is somewhat the only word I can think of to describe this. 

    oh Zibarro, I know better than to be argumentative (dneil is ducking)…  :p  and I completely respect what you are saying and can see where I wasn’t clear with what I was meaning.  And perhaps it is that this particular case has bothered me to the point where I have reflected back on the very stupid chances I had taken when I was younger.  I thank God that I didn’t make any poor choices that hurt anyone, especially my children, while I was making poor choices.

    I looked up the word tragedy because I wondered if that was really what I should call it and I am still going to call it that. It means, ” a disastrous event especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life. “ 

    I don’t know… dneilz can be a little ‘off’ on days… I’ll be good.  I think I need some calgon… the husband is being a real jerk today/night. blah

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    zibarro- yes in reading that over I see where I did misstate or not word my thoughts correctly. I agree with you. I think this was more of a situation where she had already drank, her judgment was way off and she was unable to handle her daughter with complete clarity. I guess I see it as a tragedy for Bianca and those who loved her. A tragedy that no one realized Karrae  was using alcohol to this level.  A tragedy because this didn’t have to happen… it wasn’t intentional but a poor choice.  Yes, a tragedy because that baby girl loved her mommy too and the thought of what she was thinking when this happened to her keeps me awake at all hours of the night.  I guess that was and still is somewhat the only word I can think of to describe this. 

    oh Zibarro, I know better than to be argumentative (dneil is ducking)…  :p  and I completely respect what you are saying and can see where I wasn’t clear with what I was meaning.  And perhaps it is that this particular case has bothered me to the point where I have reflected back on the very stupid chances I had taken when I was younger.  I thank God that I didn’t make any poor choices that hurt anyone, especially my children, while I was making poor choices.

    I looked up the word tragedy because I wondered if that was really what I should call it and I am still going to call it that. It means, ” a disastrous event especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life. “ 

    I don’t know… dneilz can be a little ‘off’ on days… I’ll be good.  I think I need some calgon… the husband is being a real jerk today/night. blah

  • http://www.myspace.com/dneil73 Dneilz

    zibarro- yes in reading that over I see where I did misstate or not word my thoughts correctly. I agree with you. I think this was more of a situation where she had already drank, her judgment was way off and she was unable to handle her daughter with complete clarity. I guess I see it as a tragedy for Bianca and those who loved her. A tragedy that no one realized Karrae  was using alcohol to this level.  A tragedy because this didn’t have to happen… it wasn’t intentional but a poor choice.  Yes, a tragedy because that baby girl loved her mommy too and the thought of what she was thinking when this happened to her keeps me awake at all hours of the night.  I guess that was and still is somewhat the only word I can think of to describe this. 

    oh Zibarro, I know better than to be argumentative (dneil is ducking)…  :p  and I completely respect what you are saying and can see where I wasn’t clear with what I was meaning.  And perhaps it is that this particular case has bothered me to the point where I have reflected back on the very stupid chances I had taken when I was younger.  I thank God that I didn’t make any poor choices that hurt anyone, especially my children, while I was making poor choices.

    I looked up the word tragedy because I wondered if that was really what I should call it and I am still going to call it that. It means, ” a disastrous event especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life. “ 

    I don’t know… dneilz can be a little ‘off’ on days… I’ll be good.  I think I need some calgon… the husband is being a real jerk today/night. blah

  • an old friend of the karrae

    i wish thAT something would come up i want to know if they are prosecuting her or not god i miss bonk so much and im having horrible mixed feelings cuz at first i hated karrae and now im confused and miss her to i just want to know the truth

  • Dneil

    Anyone hear anything new on this one???

  • noonereally

    I've been wondering the same Dneil. I looked in the public records (http://www.judici.com > Williamson County) and there's a motion hearing set for 3/11/10, final pretrial is 3/22/10 and jury trial set for 4/6/10. I stopped checking the families myspace pages because they've stopped posting about it. Which, yes is a good thing but I really want to know what happens in this case. Hope someone else has more info…

  • Dneil

    I think about little Bianca often. Thanks Noonereally. This situation is one of the most sad ones that I've read.

  • zoesmom
  • Stacy

    She is currently on trial. It is going to wrap up early next week

  • tutkill

    thanks for the update!!!!

  • Lisa Mendez

    Karrae was found “guilty, but mentally ill” yesterday.

    http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=12304969

    Her sentencing will be in May.

  • gitzyaligula

    I am so happy that they finally convicted her!!! I still cannot believe that I ever let myself get involved with anyone in that crazy twisted alcoholic and abusive family. I wish I could say that I don't feel a tad bit bad for Karrae but I do. I feel bad only because she was raised by those people. But that is all. She deserved what she got. Hell she deserved the death penalty!!! I hope she suffers everyday for the rest of her life!!! Hell I may even send her pics of Bianca and say here look at her. Wasn't she beautiful? Prettier than you and so smart!! You happy that she is gone now?? Was it worth it?? You make me sick Karrae and it makes me more sick that her family still supports her after she murdered her own baby!!! I love Bianca and even though I am no longer her family I always will. At last you got your justification. At last you can rest in peace. If there is a heaven thank god your murdering mother will burn in hell and you will never have to see her again.

  • Noonereally

    “MARION– A Williamson County woman convicted of murder learned her fate Wednesday. Karrae Starr was sentenced to 32 years in prison for smothering her three-year-old daughter.”

    http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID

    Next link includes audio recording of parts of the 911 call and the story says she confessed to holding her hand over Bianca's mouth and being drunk & pissed off that her bf took Bianca to the park. Poor baby died because mommy's dick took her to the park while mommy got hammered. RIP Bianca.

    http://www.wsiltv.com/p/news_details.php?newsID

  • Redsaid

    I don't know how the women in prison will like the fact that she got drunk and killed her baby, but I wouldn't be handin over no noodles or spread to her. Starve on the rotten food, and be tortured by the sounds of prison while the visions of your childs last breath haunt you, forever.

    Thanks for the update, noonereally