Sometimes, as a blogger, you order up the crazy. Sometimes you have to go look for the crazy. And sometimes, like today, a friend lends a hand and brings the crazy to you. Steve Huff must have known I was running low on the crazy, so he sent over a gift-wrapped parcel of insanity from his blog, True Crime Report. The writeup is mine, but much of the information came from him. Thanks, Steve! - Now With More Delicious Video Goodness!
Herrin, IL - Bianca Nicole Starr celebrated her third birthday just weeks ago. Thanks to her mother, 18-year-old Karrae Starr, little Bianca will never see four. On Saturday, September 27, police were called to Karrae and Bianca’s apartment. Bianca was unresponsive. A few hours later, Bianca was dead. The only person at home with the toddler on Saturday was her mother, Karrae.
Karrae Starr never had it easy growing up, and she grew up too fast. She spent time in foster care as a child, and she got pregnant at fourteen. At fifteen, she had Bianca. Still, though, Karrae had managed to go to high school at Carbondale High School from 2005 to 2007. She also got into the nursing program at John A. Logan College. While Karrae went to school, Bianca went to the campus daycare, where she was known as a bright, sociable preschooler.
Karrae’s friends are in shock. No way could she have killed her child, they say. And Karrae’s Myspace and Bebo pages seem to bear that out. Multiple proud pictures of Bianca grace Karrae’s internet presence. There’s not a lot of “O I Luv Mii Boiifrenn” in Karrae’s blogs, either. In fact, Karrae described herself as bi, or possibly gay. She wasn’t totally sure yet where she was in terms of sexual orientation, but she was pretty sure that the stuff she’d already tried wasn’t working for her.
Overall, I found Karrae’s internet presence to be caring toward her child, a little pseudo-tough-cool, and….young. For example, her Myspace headline reads: “If you really want to know I am the REAL CRAZY BITCH! and dont forget it.”
At eighteen, many teenagers can’t keep their bedrooms clean, much less provide for a child. Karrae seemed to be getting her shit together, and trying to keep it there. But, like Karrae’s mother Dierdre Gibbs said at Steve’s site, “People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.”
Yeah, we know, Deirdre. We totally know.
Karrae’s neighbors described Bianca as a child who would ask them for ice cream or other treats, and they would happily oblige the pretty toddler. One neighbor told police that she saw Bianca huddled underneath a table the day before her death. The neighbor remarked that it seemed odd for such a small child to look so depressed. Other neighbors noted that Karrae had begun drinking heavily, even though she was three years too young to drink legally. And Karrae herself noted in a blog entry that she had lost custody of Bianca for a time in 2007.
Karrae’s family blames “the system” for Bianca’s death. I’m not sure why. The system didn’t place its hand over Bianca’s nose and mouth until the baby died, spewing blood and foam from her burst lung tissue all over the system. Nope, that was Karrae Starr who suffocated her daughter for entire minutes at a time, getting her baby’s blood all over herself.
Some will say Karrae snapped from the pressure of single, young parenthood and its attendant poverty. Others will say that Bianca was quite verbal and may have thrown a temper tantrum or mouthed off to her mother until Karrae snapped. Still others (*coughkarrae’sgrandmacough*) will call Bianca’s death a “drunken accident”. I have never been so drunk that I could hurt my child. I have never been so angry that I could clamp my hand over a baby’s face and wait the two to four minutes it takes to kill a toddler who is struggling to breathe, looking into her face, watching the pain as her lung tissue blows, the panic as her body tries desperately to get air, the messiness and horror of a murderous death as the life leaves the face of a child. Nope, I just don’t have it in me.
But Karrae Starr did.
Karrae Starr is being held at the Williamson County Jail, where she is charged with two counts of first-degree murder. She was in court Monday for arraignment, and her bond was set at $500,000 or $50,000 cash. She’ll be back in court on October 6 for another hearing.
Rest in peace, baby girl. I’m sorry your family failed you. I’m sorry your mother killed you.
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CassieMomma
Oct 2, 2008 at 8:44 am -Did you see the love that Bianca had when she looked up at her Mother in that picture, how could she do that to her???????? Such a sweet, beautiful little girl.
I really hate when people blame alcohol or drugs. Sure you do loose your ability to make good decisions, but you made that initial decision to get drunk, high, etc. No excuse, sorry!
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SHuff
Oct 2, 2008 at 8:48 am -Glad I could help, my friends. And you know already that you may have some interesting folks show up to the party
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Isis
Oct 2, 2008 at 8:57 am -Looking at her MySpace has me really confused now. For all appearances, it seems she loved Bianca very much. But then… she doesn’t say a single word about it. I was hoping to see some remorse, I guess, something more heartfelt than a short video clip of Bianca’s pictures.
Poor, beautiful little girl.
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mjmsepm
Oct 2, 2008 at 9:00 am -as a parent you have the responsability to take care of that child I will be 23 and have not had a drink since my 3 year old was born. my hubby dont drink around our boys for the fact your children shouldnt grow up like that…
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Zibarro
Oct 2, 2008 at 9:22 am -On her Bebo she writes:
“Scared Of
COTTONBALLS (I HATE THEM!!!!!) Also my daughter being hurt in anyway. I will fuck some one up over her so dont even fuckin try the shit.
Yeah, Karrae… we’ll leave that up to YOUR dumb ass!
If you read between the lines on her Bebo comments and stuff… it seems her life was one drama after another… she was FAR from grown up! That baby was a showy toy for her!
To me, she’s just another “look at me” teen who finally had enough of the “inconvenient infant/toddler syndrome” and got rid of her “problem.” She had a mean temper, judging from her writings.
R.I.P. Bianca…. you deserved so much better.
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Zibarro
Oct 2, 2008 at 9:24 am -Oh… and she was on myspace on Oct. 1st.
Mood - miserable.
She has “R.I.P bianca. i love you baby girl”
Yep… loved you to death!
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Lilbay
Oct 2, 2008 at 9:57 am -It seems she just found a sister. I am guessing she was adopted or something.
I just do not get how this kid could lose it like that all of a sudden.
Seems her little Sister is following behind her with having a baby as a early teen Let’s all pray she does not follow her all the way in her foot steps though.
That poor little girl She is a beauty how can anyone do that to their child. She had to sit and look at that baby’s eyes God what the hell was she thinking to do this.
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MAjustaMom
Oct 2, 2008 at 9:58 am -What is this world coming to? When you look back in time, it was not really that long ago that folks graduated High School, got married and started their families by the time they were 18/19 but there wasn’t this baby-killing going on. How can we stop this insanity? From reading, it appears that she pretty much had her act together, no complaints/concerns from neighbors, like this came out of the blue but I can’t imagine this type of rage over one incident? I don’t know, doesn’t make any sense.
Rest in peace, beautiful baby girl. Rot in hell momma.
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kratesis
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:08 am -From the grandma’s myspace page:http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=126842664
“Thursday, October 02, 2008
Biancas Funeral
Yesterday I burid my beautiful Angel Bianca. I know everyone wants to know what happened , but the truth is only two people know Bianca and Karrae, and Bianca cant tell. I think I know what happened but for Karraes sake I am only going to discuss it with her lawyer. But please do not judge her before you get all the facts. She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.
Karrae is not the monster people are making her out to be. She loved Bianca more than anything in this world. Ask anyone who knew her. Look at the photos on her myspace”
So now the excuses for why she killed her daughter are coming out….. “Bi-polar, meds” I’m sorry, that still doesn’t give you an excuse to kill your child.
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MamaBear
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:19 am -HUH? WTF? in the video the sister says……its just one of those things where she stood up, she gave her mom a look, and stumbled backwards and blood and foam came out her mouth and nose…….
HELP ME HERE GUYS……ITS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS??????
I understand the shock and disbelief of family….i understand denial……but damn, get off the fuckin news camera if thats the best u can come up with to defend ur sister.
I hope that this baby did die of whatever ‘heart condition’ and wasnt MURDERED……but i wont hold my breath.
it reminds me of the casey anthony BS…..somewhat…
looks like she took as many or more pics of herself than of Bianca….what a waste, baby was far more photogenic
anyone know if the EX bf on the video is the guy in the pics on her myspace called ‘daddy’??? and was he a EX before or after she died?
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CassieMomma
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:22 am -And Grandma is basically saying it’s her fault, but she didn’t mean to do it. So which is true?
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mipmop
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:25 am -ell we cant blame alchahol are drugs.i was a bad drunk for 7 yrars and have kids..i never ever laid a hand on any of my kids,beleive me there was times when i was so mad,but neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ever put a hand on my kids.. this little precious girl lost her life because of this stupid bitch..this sounds like the kaylee sorie,i think these young girls have these kids,and realise they cant party like they used to,but ya know what,they just like my daughter selena,knew what to do,not to get pregnat..so if these girls do these horrable things,they need to pay the fuking price…
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Ruby
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:25 am -Damn, that is one beautiful little girl. She lights up every picture, doesn’t she?
I’m conflicted about this one, based on what info we have so far. Every picture/video/image of this family shows a loving and happy mother and child. Bianca is clean, well-dressed, well-cared for to a fault. And happy. You can see how happy they are. It radiates from them.
The embedded video said that the autopsy results were still pending, and that Bianca had a history of heart problems. Yet the police charged Karrae with first degree murder, and Imp’s article is written from the standpoint of certain guilt. I’m not so sure. Something doesn’t feel right about this. I’ll be following the story as it develops.
Also….does anyone know why she’s charged with TWO counts of first-degree murder??? That seems odd…
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Peeperann
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:29 am -I know a few people who are Bi-Polar. My son in laws sister for one. That is totally not an excuse. If people really understood what bi-polar is they would know it is no excuse.
It just sickens me to think she sat there with her hand over that babies nose and mouth with blood and fluids spewing all over her looking into her eyes while she died.
I can understand the grandmother wanting to grasp at straws as to why her daughter did this horrific thing, but grandma, sorry bi-polar is not the reason.
I’ll be keeping an eye on this one as it progresses. Damn, i’m so sorry baby girl. Rest in Jesus arms now……
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SilliMari
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:38 am -My oldest daughter is bi-polar…she is everyone’s FAVORITE babysitter!
Yeah, its just one of those things where a kid stands there and gives that look….you know, that look they give right before spewing blood and foam before falling to their death.
I’ve prevented this untimely death with my own three children countless times by simply shouting “DON’T YOU GIVE ME THAT LOOK!”
worked everytime for me, just sayin’
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mia
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:39 am -is it me or is there a message in the song chosen to play while pictures of beautiful happy little Bianca, so full of life, are shown?
“you’ll find better love”…”when i can’t hurt you anymore”
did Karrae create the slideshow?
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Zibarro
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:44 am -First, Grandma says this:
Bianca grandma loves you
Current mood: crushed
My world came crashing down yesterday. My beautiful Grandbaby was killedaccidentally by my daughter who made a very stupid drunken decision.
Then… she says this:
She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.
Now, we hear the baby had heart trouble.
Well… WHICH IS IT?? How many fucking stories are we gonna hear??? And if you are bi-polar, taking NEW meds… why are you drinking? (not to mention underage by 3 years!)
Fact is.. a baby is dead - her mother was alone with her… it doesn’t look good. I pray Karrae didn’t do it…. I’d really love for the parent to be innocent — just once!
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porcelain
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:46 am -I agree with the other posters..
It seemed she loved the baby!
But then again there was another story posted today that also projected a loving”christian”mother who turned out to be a pedophile from hell.
Outward appearances can be deceiving.
There are many different factors.
1.She was drunk and covered with her baby’s blood
2.We just found out she was on meds for bi polar disorder
3.Baby”just gave a look and had blood coming out of her nose and foam coming out of her mouth and she fell backwards”.
Could she have been completely inebriated and hurt the baby?
It is likely.
But I am hoping it’s the latter and it was the baby’s heart condition rearing it’s ugly head.
Either way it’s still a tremendous loss.
She looked like a sweet little baby.
If this bitch did do this then she deserves all the pain in the world
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CassieMomma
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:48 am -I am really curious to see more details come out, it is just so weird already. We need Karrae to tell the truth, it’s going to come out eventually.
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Zibarro
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:54 am -Where is this video?
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lakewriter51340
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:55 am -I was, too, when I was a teenager. I wasn’t diagnosed until age 24, but I had all the symptoms — periods of uncontrollable crying followed by periods of no sleep, hypersexuality, poor decisions — yeah — but I never committed violence against anyone and never against a child.
Whenever on the news or DD I hear of something bat-shit crazy I think “wait for it….wait for it” and 90% of the time I then read or hear, “Reportedly, Smith was bipolar…” Then I swear a lot because this deep end of bipolar, or those who use it as an excuse for violence, give the rest of us a very bad name. I used to write bipolar columns for Salon and (way back when) Suite 101 and write on blogs about it a lot.
Now I’ve cut back, and I feel bad I’m not doing more to create awareness but holy balls these “bipolar” perpetrators make it hard to create a case for giving people slack for their unstable moods and making it not a stigma to get help and treatment for it, and to go back out into the world able to be open about it.
While it’s not a secret, I tell people only reactively that I have bipolar disorder 100% because of incidents like this where the perpetrator says “bipolar made me do it.”
RE: the baby’s hole in the heart…I don’t think so, Tim.
My mother was born with a hole in her heart. She grew up pretty normally as a child but was on lots of heart medications, then had trouble, lots of trouble as an adult and died in her 40s.
If she’d been born today, she would have had corrective surgery around the age of 3 and leading up to that have been to lots of doctors, etc. I don’t hear anything mentioned about that.
Poor beautiful baby. Rest in peace darling angel.
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CassieMomma
Oct 2, 2008 at 10:59 am -Lake - thanks for sharing and being so open and honest. I totally agree, it’s not an uncontrollable disease where you are just murdering people left and right. Just stop the exuses and take the blame if you have done wrong.
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Zibarro
Oct 2, 2008 at 11:03 am -Someone saw this on her myspace (don’t know how I missed it) and posted it on mydeathspace:
From Karrae’s Myspace (funny, she doesn’t mention being drunk):
Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918
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MamaBear
Oct 2, 2008 at 11:08 am -ok what i want to know from genius DD minds is this……..is spewing blood, fluid, foam from bursting a lung something that happens alot from suffocation????
i have never heard of it……and find it odd…..from what i read, i guess it makes sense, and obviously can happen, but i have always thought of cutting off airways as the least gory or messy when it comes to murder.
link to steves true crime site at the top is well worth a visit….lots of tidbits that raise questions……and the comments from family…..wow…..says alot
cmon yall, the anthonys have put out all the stops, and hands down, have ran away with the prize for ‘fucked up family of the century’….so dont bother……do youselves a favor and STFU…..or dont, its ur life.
stupid people suck…..but stupid people who go out of their way to appear even more stupid than they are……well…..they are special
its called a ’special kind of stupid’
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porcelain
Oct 2, 2008 at 11:11 am -Wow,
I read grandma’s myspace blogs and it states that the baby was “killed accidentally” by her daughter and “drunken” was mentioned as well.
So it looks as though
Even grandma thinks she did it.
I feel sorry for grandma for first losing her grand daughter and now her daughter.
If she(karrae) did indeed do it I hope she gets the death sentence.
No excuses.
Even when a mother is at wits end there is no excuse in the world to harm a child.
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porcelain
Oct 2, 2008 at 11:16 am -Someone saw this on her myspace (don’t know how I missed it) and posted it on mydeathspace:
From Karrae’s Myspace (funny, she doesn’t mention being drunk):
Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918
Double fucking wow,
So now she is making it seem the baby smothered herself?
Why the fuck are prisoners on myspace?
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saltwatergirl
Oct 2, 2008 at 11:18 am -Beuatiful, beautiful baby girl…..may you rest in a place where the sun always shines…..
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Zibarro
Oct 2, 2008 at 11:29 am -Some comments from the True Crime website from family members — yeah… deep, deep denial. And deeply, deeply fucked up family!!
kylie brunley said:
I have known karrae since like the 5th grade.
We hung out all the time.. She found out she was pregnant with bianca in the 8th grade and she was so completly happy.
I had never seen her so happy. I agree with the lady above me.
YOU DO NOT KNOW KARRAE. Shes not that type of person.
B was her world.
Posted 09/30/2008 at 07:32:12 PM
racey aka colton said:
yeah i agree i am karraes brother and if any of u people have a problem with my sister then take it up with her loved ones because u reatards who like to talk about people who u dont even are gettin on my nerves because u did not even kno her and there is kno way karrae could have killed my niece that girl was her whole world and im stickin by my sister till the end
Posted 09/30/2008 at 11:24:51 PM
Deirdre Gibbs said:
Steve,
Karrae is my daughter and I do not appreciate you calling her a monster. You have NO idea what that girl has been through in her life. Our family know her and we know that in her right mind Karrae would have never done this.
Also who ever Soobs is needs to identify herself and talk to me directly if she wants to know more.
I cant save Bianca but I can try to save my daughters life.Once our mourning period is over I am gonna come out fighting. There is alot of stuff gonna come out about the State system that was supposed to be taking care of Karrae and Bianca. I lay the blame on this firmly at their feet. They decided they would be better parents than I would, and look what it got them and my family ,a dead child. I hope the caseworkers, homemakers, and judges involved in Karraes life and Biancas go home and have nightmares every night for the choices they made.
Until you hear all the evidence Steve, DO NOT judge my daughter or call her a monster.Apparently yu thought she was goodlooking but you want to crucify her for being Bi sexual…are you jealous that she wouldn’t give a guy like you the time of day?
People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.
Sincerely,
Karrae’s MOM
Wow! The state did it?? Are you serious mom?
So while you and the state fought over this baby… she was left with Karrae, who ultimately killed her!? Yeah, someone dropped the ball… but I don’t think it was the state.
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impqueen
Oct 2, 2008 at 11:36 am -I’m going to be very interested to see the autopsy results on this one. I do think that Karrae likely smothered her screaming toddler, and that likely there will be bruising around Bianca’s mouth that shows that Karrae had her own hand over Bianca’s mouth. Foaming at the mouth, especially pink foam, is usually indicative of respiratory failure and oxygen deprivation.
Of course, if i’m wrong, I will edit the article to reflect that.
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SilliMari
Oct 2, 2008 at 12:12 pm -Her intent could have been to make her shut up…and perhaps she only covered her mouth and not her nose…who knows…but having that heart issue to begin with probably didn’t help things along.
My sister-in-law dropped dead in front of all of us at a family gathering…she foamed at the mouth. We found out through the autopsy she actually had a heart condition that nobody knew about. The foam was from her lungs…apparently this stuff just comes out when there is no oxygen, i.e. her heart just stopped working.
I’m not sold on first degree but I’m certain she played a role in the death
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Ruby
Oct 2, 2008 at 12:16 pm -I’m not certain of anything yet. I want to hear the autopsy results first.
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CheekySweetie
Oct 2, 2008 at 1:06 pm -What an utterly perfect little girl-I’ve never seen a child (besides my own of course *grin*) that lights up the world like her. So sorry she won’t be able to continue to do so.
I’m going to reserve my judgment on mom for the time being. I had a case where a child suddenly died and there was suspicion on the ‘rents but it turned out to be a medication and heart defect combination. I remember the hell they went through while they were being investigated, so I don’t want to contribute to that. I hope like hell the autopsy proves mom wasn’t at fault, but if it doesn’t, she really needs to take responsibility.
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Komak
Oct 2, 2008 at 1:43 pm -and thank you for having the brass to say it….I agree. I refuse to bash this mother…yet. If however, light bears the situation as described above, then I question two things….
1. Karrae’s mother, who is so quick to come to her defense—obviously she is doing so to abate her own responsiblity in this……to ease her own conscious, Karrae herself was failed, and now up rises the mother of the fricken year….thinking “here is my chance to prove I am a good mother….look at me, look at me….look at what I am doing…….Karrae herself was in and out of foster care, pregnant at 14, and I would venture to guess her “mother” still doesn’t have her own act together.
2. AGAIN if this situation turns out, as described above, I would take on any adult….that said, my anger is tempered here. Karrae’s own rocky upbringing, in foster homes and obviously dysfunctional family provides the temperature control on my emotions. As we grow, we learn…we receive “tools” from parents, family, the world around us….these tools help us to cope, provide the right answers, make decisions, give self control……obviously Karrae’s tool box was empty….as was her childhood world.
I am not saying she holds NO responsibility here….simply, that if she isn’t given the proper tools, and the coping skills, self control, and need for right answers, she isn’t equipped….not that she didn’t know right from wrong….just that in that moment….the empty toolbox…failed her…..
If she was drinking that hampers it further (although I bet she started drinking after the incident)….however and whatever Karrae’s mental state at the time, she obviously didn’t have the tools needed……That responsibility glares hatefully at Karrae’s mother…..
I would suggest she loved that baby, probably more then she thought possible…..she was doing the “right” things…finish school, further education….however, in this case….it seems to me that without a solid base by which to pattern herself, it was only a matter of time……..
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Dneilz
Oct 2, 2008 at 1:47 pm -Not that I am saying that I know what happened…but the description of blood out the nose and foam out her mouth reminds me of a friend I lost in teenage years… he had a brain aneurysm. However, his aneurysm blew after ‘huffing’ butane… Could that baby have had an aneurysm? Or even a blood clot into the lung ??? Don’t know… I sure hope this death wasn’t at the hands of her own mommy…too many people are killing their innocent babies. Bi Polar… if she had done this due to bi polar, she would have still been exhibiting some signs of being ‘imbalanced”… I would know, I have bi polar. Damn, poor baby girl!
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Komak
Oct 2, 2008 at 1:56 pm -Lot’s of “I”s in this statement, it is all about HER…(she how she capitalizes MOM at the end)..and damn if the rest of the world has just ALWAYS been against her….she is justifying everything, blaming everyone, never once holding up the mirror to her own failings…….
then when all else fails, come out swinging….”poor me….poor self sacraficing me….I will single-handedly save my daughter (you know the one I didn’t raise, who had such a hard life)…..I am a hero, you all thought I was a POS, no look I really DO care……..the state…it’s their fault….what???………
………not working, okay…….steve….now you really pissed me off……look….I must love my daughter so much…..look how mad I get….(same mentality of those defenders who come to this site…..)…that proves I love my daughter……BTW…I am not insane, and none of this is MY fault……none of it at all….what a horrible world this is….always beating me up…..I try and I try…….blah…blah….blah…blah” (end quote)
FUCK!
(DD is great therapy-in “THEORY” I know this woman-I grew up with one just like her…..can ya tell? (grin))
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Dneilz
Oct 2, 2008 at 2:08 pm -This one really has be wondering…. and I am so bothered by this little girls death. Wonder when the autopsy results will be back….
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lifino
Oct 2, 2008 at 3:41 pm -What a horrible situation.
If the baby died of natural causes then that poor mom is sitting in jail when she should be allowed to grieve and bury her child and not have to deal with legal issues and people blaming her.
If she did kill her then that poor child had to go through the horror of having the person she probably loved more than anything in the world doing this to her. Not to mention being robbed of the life she should have been allowed to live.
I am going to reserve judgement until we hear what the autopsy says. This is so sad.
As for grandma STFU you are only making it worse and making yourself look like an ass.
RIP Bianca
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CheekySweetie
Oct 2, 2008 at 4:43 pm -Did some research on suffocation causing bloody foam and found, well, not much. I did find that congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, and carbon dioxide poisoning…crap, it may have say monoxide..can’t ‘member, oops!…does often cause bloody foam in the mouth and nose.
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impqueen
Oct 2, 2008 at 6:24 pm -It’s much more common in drowning, actually. So the posters that said it happens with congestive heart failure are right, in that it’s foamier when there is water or fluid on the lungs.
That said, a mucusy foam can and does happen during suffocation or strangulation. JonBenet Ramsey, for example, had mucusy stains on her shirt from her nose and mouth - once the foam dissipates, what is left is a mucusy material. But keep in mind that there doesn’t have to be a lot of foam, and usually isn’t.
Could Bianca have drowned, or had severe intractable CHF? Possibly, although you’d think she’d have been under medical care for that while she was in foster care and there would be records of same. It makes sense to me that Bianca was crying, swallowed her own spit or tears, and that’s what foamed up when she was being suffocated. There probably was, overall, a small amount. Blood particularly always looks like there’s a lot more than there is.
I agree that if the symptoms are as reported, then it’ll be very interesting to see what the autopsy says. And as I’ve said