Karrae Starr Is “The REAL CRAZY BITCH!”
October 2, 2008 by impqueen
Sometimes, as a blogger, you order up the crazy. Sometimes you have to go look for the crazy. And sometimes, like today, a friend lends a hand and brings the crazy to you.  Steve Huff must have known I was running low on the crazy, so he sent over a gift-wrapped parcel of insanity from his blog, True Crime Report. The writeup is mine, but much of the information came from him. Thanks, Steve! – Now With More Delicious Video Goodness!
http://www.myspace.com/my_baby_bianca & http://www.bebo.com/KarraeStarr
Herrin, IL - Bianca Nicole Starr celebrated her third birthday just weeks ago. Thanks to her mother, 18-year-old Karrae Starr, little Bianca will never see four. On Saturday, September 27, police were called to Karrae and Bianca’s apartment. Bianca was unresponsive. A few hours later, Bianca was dead.  The only person at home with the toddler on Saturday was her mother, Karrae.
Karrae Starr never had it easy growing up, and she grew up too fast. She spent time in foster care as a child, and she got pregnant at fourteen. At fifteen, she had Bianca.  Still, though, Karrae had managed to go to high school at Carbondale High School from 2005 to 2007. She also got into the nursing program at John A. Logan College. While Karrae went to school, Bianca went to the campus daycare, where she was known as a bright, sociable preschooler.
Karrae’s friends are in shock. No way could she have killed her child, they say. And Karrae’s Myspace and Bebo pages seem to bear that out. Multiple proud pictures of Bianca grace Karrae’s internet presence. There’s not a lot of “O I Luv Mii Boiifrenn” in Karrae’s blogs, either. In fact, Karrae described herself as bi, or possibly gay. She wasn’t totally sure yet where she was in terms of sexual orientation, but she was pretty sure that the stuff she’d already tried wasn’t working for her.
Overall, I found Karrae’s internet presence to be caring toward her child, a little pseudo-tough-cool, and….young. For example, her Myspace headline reads: “If you really want to know I am the REAL CRAZY BITCH! and dont forget it.”
At eighteen, many teenagers can’t keep their bedrooms clean, much less provide for a child. Karrae seemed to be getting her shit together, and trying to keep it there. But, like Karrae’s mother Dierdre Gibbs said at Steve’s site, “People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.”
Yeah, we know, Deirdre. We totally know.
Karrae’s neighbors described Bianca as a child who would ask them for ice cream or other treats, and they would happily oblige the pretty toddler. One neighbor told police that she saw Bianca huddled underneath a table the day before her death. The neighbor remarked that it seemed odd for such a small child to look so depressed. Other neighbors noted that Karrae had begun drinking heavily, even though she was three years too young to drink legally. And Karrae herself noted in a blog entry that she had lost custody of Bianca for a time in 2007.
Karrae’s family blames “the system” for Bianca’s death. I’m not sure why. The system didn’t place its hand over Bianca’s nose and mouth until the baby died, spewing blood and foam from her burst lung tissue all over the system. Nope, that was Karrae Starr who suffocated her daughter for entire minutes at a time, getting her baby’s blood all over herself.
Some will say Karrae snapped from the pressure of single, young parenthood and its attendant poverty. Others will say that Bianca was quite verbal and may have thrown a temper tantrum or mouthed off to her mother until Karrae snapped. Still others (*coughkarrae’sgrandmacough*) will call Bianca’s death a “drunken accident”.  I have never been so drunk that I could hurt my child. I have never been so angry that I could clamp my hand over a baby’s face and wait the two to four minutes it takes to kill a toddler who is struggling to breathe, looking into her face, watching the pain as her lung tissue blows, the panic as her body tries desperately to get air, the messiness and horror of a murderous death as the life leaves the face of a child. Nope, I just don’t have it in me.
But Karrae Starr did.
Karrae Starr is being held at the Williamson County Jail, where she is charged with two counts of first-degree murder. She was in court Monday for arraignment, and her bond was set at $500,000 or $50,000 cash. She’ll be back in court on October 6 for another hearing.
Rest in peace, baby girl. I’m sorry your family failed you. I’m sorry your mother killed you.
8:44 am on October 2nd, 2008
Did you see the love that Bianca had when she looked up at her Mother in that picture, how could she do that to her???????? Such a sweet, beautiful little girl.
I really hate when people blame alcohol or drugs. Sure you do loose your ability to make good decisions, but you made that initial decision to get drunk, high, etc. No excuse, sorry!
8:48 am on October 2nd, 2008
Glad I could help, my friends. And you know already that you may have some interesting folks show up to the party
8:57 am on October 2nd, 2008
Looking at her MySpace has me really confused now. For all appearances, it seems she loved Bianca very much. But then… she doesn’t say a single word about it. I was hoping to see some remorse, I guess, something more heartfelt than a short video clip of Bianca’s pictures.
Poor, beautiful little girl.
9:00 am on October 2nd, 2008
as a parent you have the responsability to take care of that child I will be 23 and have not had a drink since my 3 year old was born. my hubby dont drink around our boys for the fact your children shouldnt grow up like that…
9:22 am on October 2nd, 2008
On her Bebo she writes:
“Scared Of
COTTONBALLS (I HATE THEM!!!!!) Also my daughter being hurt in anyway. I will fuck some one up over her so dont even fuckin try the shit.
Yeah, Karrae… we’ll leave that up to YOUR dumb ass!
If you read between the lines on her Bebo comments and stuff… it seems her life was one drama after another… she was FAR from grown up! That baby was a showy toy for her!
To me, she’s just another “look at me” teen who finally had enough of the “inconvenient infant/toddler syndrome” and got rid of her “problem.” She had a mean temper, judging from her writings.
R.I.P. Bianca…. you deserved so much better.
9:24 am on October 2nd, 2008
Oh… and she was on myspace on Oct. 1st.
Mood – miserable.
She has “R.I.P bianca. i love you baby girl”
Yep… loved you to death!
9:57 am on October 2nd, 2008
It seems she just found a sister. I am guessing she was adopted or something.
I just do not get how this kid could lose it like that all of a sudden.
Seems her little Sister is following behind her with having a baby as a early teen Let’s all pray she does not follow her all the way in her foot steps though.
That poor little girl She is a beauty how can anyone do that to their child. She had to sit and look at that baby’s eyes God what the hell was she thinking to do this.
9:58 am on October 2nd, 2008
What is this world coming to? When you look back in time, it was not really that long ago that folks graduated High School, got married and started their families by the time they were 18/19 but there wasn’t this baby-killing going on. How can we stop this insanity? From reading, it appears that she pretty much had her act together, no complaints/concerns from neighbors, like this came out of the blue but I can’t imagine this type of rage over one incident? I don’t know, doesn’t make any sense.
Rest in peace, beautiful baby girl. Rot in hell momma.
10:08 am on October 2nd, 2008
From the grandma’s myspace page:http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=126842664
“Thursday, October 02, 2008
Biancas Funeral
Yesterday I burid my beautiful Angel Bianca. I know everyone wants to know what happened , but the truth is only two people know Bianca and Karrae, and Bianca cant tell. I think I know what happened but for Karraes sake I am only going to discuss it with her lawyer. But please do not judge her before you get all the facts. She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.
Karrae is not the monster people are making her out to be. She loved Bianca more than anything in this world. Ask anyone who knew her. Look at the photos on her myspace”
So now the excuses for why she killed her daughter are coming out….. “Bi-polar, meds” I’m sorry, that still doesn’t give you an excuse to kill your child.
10:19 am on October 2nd, 2008
HUH? WTF? in the video the sister says……its just one of those things where she stood up, she gave her mom a look, and stumbled backwards and blood and foam came out her mouth and nose…….
HELP ME HERE GUYS……ITS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS??????
I understand the shock and disbelief of family….i understand denial……but damn, get off the fuckin news camera if thats the best u can come up with to defend ur sister.
I hope that this baby did die of whatever ‘heart condition’ and wasnt MURDERED……but i wont hold my breath.
it reminds me of the casey anthony BS…..somewhat…
looks like she took as many or more pics of herself than of Bianca….what a waste, baby was far more photogenic
anyone know if the EX bf on the video is the guy in the pics on her myspace called ‘daddy’??? and was he a EX before or after she died?
10:22 am on October 2nd, 2008
And Grandma is basically saying it’s her fault, but she didn’t mean to do it. So which is true?
10:25 am on October 2nd, 2008
ell we cant blame alchahol are drugs.i was a bad drunk for 7 yrars and have kids..i never ever laid a hand on any of my kids,beleive me there was times when i was so mad,but neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ever put a hand on my kids.. this little precious girl lost her life because of this stupid bitch..this sounds like the kaylee sorie,i think these young girls have these kids,and realise they cant party like they used to,but ya know what,they just like my daughter selena,knew what to do,not to get pregnat..so if these girls do these horrable things,they need to pay the fuking price…
10:25 am on October 2nd, 2008
Damn, that is one beautiful little girl. She lights up every picture, doesn’t she?
I’m conflicted about this one, based on what info we have so far. Every picture/video/image of this family shows a loving and happy mother and child. Bianca is clean, well-dressed, well-cared for to a fault. And happy. You can see how happy they are. It radiates from them.
The embedded video said that the autopsy results were still pending, and that Bianca had a history of heart problems. Yet the police charged Karrae with first degree murder, and Imp’s article is written from the standpoint of certain guilt. I’m not so sure. Something doesn’t feel right about this. I’ll be following the story as it develops.
Also….does anyone know why she’s charged with TWO counts of first-degree murder??? That seems odd…
10:29 am on October 2nd, 2008
I know a few people who are Bi-Polar. My son in laws sister for one. That is totally not an excuse. If people really understood what bi-polar is they would know it is no excuse.
It just sickens me to think she sat there with her hand over that babies nose and mouth with blood and fluids spewing all over her looking into her eyes while she died.
I can understand the grandmother wanting to grasp at straws as to why her daughter did this horrific thing, but grandma, sorry bi-polar is not the reason.
I’ll be keeping an eye on this one as it progresses. Damn, i’m so sorry baby girl. Rest in Jesus arms now……
10:38 am on October 2nd, 2008
My oldest daughter is bi-polar…she is everyone’s FAVORITE babysitter!
Yeah, its just one of those things where a kid stands there and gives that look….you know, that look they give right before spewing blood and foam before falling to their death.
I’ve prevented this untimely death with my own three children countless times by simply shouting “DON’T YOU GIVE ME THAT LOOK!”
worked everytime for me, just sayin’
10:39 am on October 2nd, 2008
is it me or is there a message in the song chosen to play while pictures of beautiful happy little Bianca, so full of life, are shown?
“you’ll find better love”…”when i can’t hurt you anymore”
did Karrae create the slideshow?
10:44 am on October 2nd, 2008
First, Grandma says this:
Bianca grandma loves you
Current mood: crushed
My world came crashing down yesterday. My beautiful Grandbaby was killedaccidentally by my daughter who made a very stupid drunken decision.
Then… she says this:
She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.
Now, we hear the baby had heart trouble.
Well… WHICH IS IT?? How many fucking stories are we gonna hear??? And if you are bi-polar, taking NEW meds… why are you drinking? (not to mention underage by 3 years!)
Fact is.. a baby is dead – her mother was alone with her… it doesn’t look good. I pray Karrae didn’t do it…. I’d really love for the parent to be innocent — just once!
10:46 am on October 2nd, 2008
I agree with the other posters..
It seemed she loved the baby!
But then again there was another story posted today that also projected a loving”christian”mother who turned out to be a pedophile from hell.
Outward appearances can be deceiving.
There are many different factors.
1.She was drunk and covered with her baby’s blood
2.We just found out she was on meds for bi polar disorder
3.Baby”just gave a look and had blood coming out of her nose and foam coming out of her mouth and she fell backwards”.
Could she have been completely inebriated and hurt the baby?
It is likely.
But I am hoping it’s the latter and it was the baby’s heart condition rearing it’s ugly head.
Either way it’s still a tremendous loss.
She looked like a sweet little baby.
If this bitch did do this then she deserves all the pain in the world
10:48 am on October 2nd, 2008
I am really curious to see more details come out, it is just so weird already. We need Karrae to tell the truth, it’s going to come out eventually.
10:54 am on October 2nd, 2008
Where is this video?
10:55 am on October 2nd, 2008
I was, too, when I was a teenager. I wasn’t diagnosed until age 24, but I had all the symptoms — periods of uncontrollable crying followed by periods of no sleep, hypersexuality, poor decisions — yeah — but I never committed violence against anyone and never against a child.
Whenever on the news or DD I hear of something bat-shit crazy I think “wait for it….wait for it” and 90% of the time I then read or hear, “Reportedly, Smith was bipolar…” Then I swear a lot because this deep end of bipolar, or those who use it as an excuse for violence, give the rest of us a very bad name. I used to write bipolar columns for Salon and (way back when) Suite 101 and write on blogs about it a lot.
Now I’ve cut back, and I feel bad I’m not doing more to create awareness but holy balls these “bipolar” perpetrators make it hard to create a case for giving people slack for their unstable moods and making it not a stigma to get help and treatment for it, and to go back out into the world able to be open about it.
While it’s not a secret, I tell people only reactively that I have bipolar disorder 100% because of incidents like this where the perpetrator says “bipolar made me do it.”
RE: the baby’s hole in the heart…I don’t think so, Tim.
My mother was born with a hole in her heart. She grew up pretty normally as a child but was on lots of heart medications, then had trouble, lots of trouble as an adult and died in her 40s.
If she’d been born today, she would have had corrective surgery around the age of 3 and leading up to that have been to lots of doctors, etc. I don’t hear anything mentioned about that.
Poor beautiful baby. Rest in peace darling angel.
10:59 am on October 2nd, 2008
Lake – thanks for sharing and being so open and honest. I totally agree, it’s not an uncontrollable disease where you are just murdering people left and right. Just stop the exuses and take the blame if you have done wrong.
11:03 am on October 2nd, 2008
Someone saw this on her myspace (don’t know how I missed it) and posted it on mydeathspace:
From Karrae’s Myspace (funny, she doesn’t mention being drunk):
Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage” it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out” and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now” and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay” and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918
11:08 am on October 2nd, 2008
ok what i want to know from genius DD minds is this……..is spewing blood, fluid, foam from bursting a lung something that happens alot from suffocation????
i have never heard of it……and find it odd…..from what i read, i guess it makes sense, and obviously can happen, but i have always thought of cutting off airways as the least gory or messy when it comes to murder.
link to steves true crime site at the top is well worth a visit….lots of tidbits that raise questions……and the comments from family…..wow…..says alot
cmon yall, the anthonys have put out all the stops, and hands down, have ran away with the prize for ‘fucked up family of the century’….so dont bother……do youselves a favor and STFU…..or dont, its ur life.
stupid people suck…..but stupid people who go out of their way to appear even more stupid than they are……well…..they are special
its called a ’special kind of stupid’
11:11 am on October 2nd, 2008
Wow,
I read grandma’s myspace blogs and it states that the baby was “killed accidentally” by her daughter and “drunken” was mentioned as well.
So it looks as though
Even grandma thinks she did it.
I feel sorry for grandma for first losing her grand daughter and now her daughter.
If she(karrae) did indeed do it I hope she gets the death sentence.
No excuses.
Even when a mother is at wits end there is no excuse in the world to harm a child.
11:16 am on October 2nd, 2008
Someone saw this on her myspace (don’t know how I missed it) and posted it on mydeathspace:
From Karrae’s Myspace (funny, she doesn’t mention being drunk):
Hey this is Karrae.I’m in the williamson county jail right now. my bond is set at 50,000. so if you can ..anything helps. people are wondering what went on that night. everything was normal. i felt fine.i wasn’t in a “rage†it was time for bianca’s bed time and as usual (everybody who knew bianca or any three year old for that fact, knows they just have a “fall out†and scream and holler) bianca didn’t want to go to bed. so she was screaming at the top of her lungs and i told her to put her hand over her mouth until she was done ( My sister and i had been taught this in young teen mothers class) and she was finally done and i asked her “bianca are you okay now†and she sniffled a little bit and she said “yes mommy i’m okay†and i told her that it was time for bed and that we were gonna go lay down and she had said okay. so i layed her down, i played with her hair and i gave her a kiss and hug goodnight and as i was about to go out the room..outta the corner of my eye i saw bianca get up (which is unusual) so i locked the door ( only because it was habit, because cailtin use to come in and get bianca outta bed to watch cartoons with bianca and by then bianca was wide awake and there was no way i could have gotten her to sleep and its just been a bedtime ritual ever since) and turn the light back on bianca had given me a look that sent the hairs on the back of my neck straight up. i said bianca are you okay? and she staggered backwards and blood started coming out of bianca’s nose and foam started coming outta of her mouth. I NEED EVERYONE TO STOP LISTENING TO THE NEW ANS READING THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE NO AUTOPSY RESULT HAVE CAME BACK. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DONATIONS TO BIANCA STARR, PLEASE CALL 618-364-6382 OR YOU MAY CALL 618-755-9002 AND ASK FOR RACEY. IF YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REACH ANYBODY AT THIOSE NUMBERS SEND YOUR DONATION TO: CAITLIN STARR 705 LACLEADE APT.1 CARTERVILLE,IL 62918
Double fucking wow,
So now she is making it seem the baby smothered herself?
Why the fuck are prisoners on myspace?
11:18 am on October 2nd, 2008
Beuatiful, beautiful baby girl…..may you rest in a place where the sun always shines…..
11:29 am on October 2nd, 2008
Some comments from the True Crime website from family members — yeah… deep, deep denial. And deeply, deeply fucked up family!!
kylie brunley said:
I have known karrae since like the 5th grade.
We hung out all the time.. She found out she was pregnant with bianca in the 8th grade and she was so completly happy.
I had never seen her so happy. I agree with the lady above me.
YOU DO NOT KNOW KARRAE. Shes not that type of person.
B was her world.
Posted 09/30/2008 at 07:32:12 PM
racey aka colton said:
yeah i agree i am karraes brother and if any of u people have a problem with my sister then take it up with her loved ones because u reatards who like to talk about people who u dont even are gettin on my nerves because u did not even kno her and there is kno way karrae could have killed my niece that girl was her whole world and im stickin by my sister till the end
Posted 09/30/2008 at 11:24:51 PM
Deirdre Gibbs said:
Steve,
Karrae is my daughter and I do not appreciate you calling her a monster. You have NO idea what that girl has been through in her life. Our family know her and we know that in her right mind Karrae would have never done this.
Also who ever Soobs is needs to identify herself and talk to me directly if she wants to know more.
I cant save Bianca but I can try to save my daughters life.Once our mourning period is over I am gonna come out fighting. There is alot of stuff gonna come out about the State system that was supposed to be taking care of Karrae and Bianca. I lay the blame on this firmly at their feet. They decided they would be better parents than I would, and look what it got them and my family ,a dead child. I hope the caseworkers, homemakers, and judges involved in Karraes life and Biancas go home and have nightmares every night for the choices they made.
Until you hear all the evidence Steve, DO NOT judge my daughter or call her a monster.Apparently yu thought she was goodlooking but you want to crucify her for being Bi sexual…are you jealous that she wouldn’t give a guy like you the time of day?
People say alot of stuff on myspace , it doesn’t mean its tru. You can be anyone you want to be on the internet as I am sure you know.
Sincerely,
Karrae’s MOM
Wow! The state did it?? Are you serious mom?
So while you and the state fought over this baby… she was left with Karrae, who ultimately killed her!? Yeah, someone dropped the ball… but I don’t think it was the state.
11:36 am on October 2nd, 2008
I’m going to be very interested to see the autopsy results on this one. I do think that Karrae likely smothered her screaming toddler, and that likely there will be bruising around Bianca’s mouth that shows that Karrae had her own hand over Bianca’s mouth. Foaming at the mouth, especially pink foam, is usually indicative of respiratory failure and oxygen deprivation.
Of course, if i’m wrong, I will edit the article to reflect that.
12:12 pm on October 2nd, 2008
Her intent could have been to make her shut up…and perhaps she only covered her mouth and not her nose…who knows…but having that heart issue to begin with probably didn’t help things along.
My sister-in-law dropped dead in front of all of us at a family gathering…she foamed at the mouth. We found out through the autopsy she actually had a heart condition that nobody knew about. The foam was from her lungs…apparently this stuff just comes out when there is no oxygen, i.e. her heart just stopped working.
I’m not sold on first degree but I’m certain she played a role in the death
12:16 pm on October 2nd, 2008
I’m not certain of anything yet. I want to hear the autopsy results first.
1:06 pm on October 2nd, 2008
What an utterly perfect little girl-I’ve never seen a child (besides my own of course *grin*) that lights up the world like her. So sorry she won’t be able to continue to do so.
I’m going to reserve my judgment on mom for the time being. I had a case where a child suddenly died and there was suspicion on the ‘rents but it turned out to be a medication and heart defect combination. I remember the hell they went through while they were being investigated, so I don’t want to contribute to that. I hope like hell the autopsy proves mom wasn’t at fault, but if it doesn’t, she really needs to take responsibility.
1:43 pm on October 2nd, 2008
and thank you for having the brass to say it….I agree. I refuse to bash this mother…yet. If however, light bears the situation as described above, then I question two things….
1. Karrae’s mother, who is so quick to come to her defense—obviously she is doing so to abate her own responsiblity in this……to ease her own conscious, Karrae herself was failed, and now up rises the mother of the fricken year….thinking “here is my chance to prove I am a good mother….look at me, look at me….look at what I am doing…….Karrae herself was in and out of foster care, pregnant at 14, and I would venture to guess her “mother” still doesn’t have her own act together.
2. AGAIN if this situation turns out, as described above, I would take on any adult….that said, my anger is tempered here. Karrae’s own rocky upbringing, in foster homes and obviously dysfunctional family provides the temperature control on my emotions. As we grow, we learn…we receive “tools” from parents, family, the world around us….these tools help us to cope, provide the right answers, make decisions, give self control……obviously Karrae’s tool box was empty….as was her childhood world.
I am not saying she holds NO responsibility here….simply, that if she isn’t given the proper tools, and the coping skills, self control, and need for right answers, she isn’t equipped….not that she didn’t know right from wrong….just that in that moment….the empty toolbox…failed her…..
If she was drinking that hampers it further (although I bet she started drinking after the incident)….however and whatever Karrae’s mental state at the time, she obviously didn’t have the tools needed……That responsibility glares hatefully at Karrae’s mother…..
I would suggest she loved that baby, probably more then she thought possible…..she was doing the “right” things…finish school, further education….however, in this case….it seems to me that without a solid base by which to pattern herself, it was only a matter of time……..
1:47 pm on October 2nd, 2008
Not that I am saying that I know what happened…but the description of blood out the nose and foam out her mouth reminds me of a friend I lost in teenage years… he had a brain aneurysm. However, his aneurysm blew after ‘huffing’ butane… Could that baby have had an aneurysm? Or even a blood clot into the lung ??? Don’t know… I sure hope this death wasn’t at the hands of her own mommy…too many people are killing their innocent babies. Bi Polar… if she had done this due to bi polar, she would have still been exhibiting some signs of being ‘imbalanced”… I would know, I have bi polar. Damn, poor baby girl!
1:56 pm on October 2nd, 2008
Lot’s of “I”s in this statement, it is all about HER…(she how she capitalizes MOM at the end)..and damn if the rest of the world has just ALWAYS been against her….she is justifying everything, blaming everyone, never once holding up the mirror to her own failings…….
then when all else fails, come out swinging….”poor me….poor self sacraficing me….I will single-handedly save my daughter (you know the one I didn’t raise, who had such a hard life)…..I am a hero, you all thought I was a POS, no look I really DO care……..the state…it’s their fault….what???………
………not working, okay…….steve….now you really pissed me off……look….I must love my daughter so much…..look how mad I get….(same mentality of those defenders who come to this site…..)…that proves I love my daughter……BTW…I am not insane, and none of this is MY fault……none of it at all….what a horrible world this is….always beating me up…..I try and I try…….blah…blah….blah…blah” (end quote)
FUCK!
(DD is great therapy-in “THEORY” I know this woman-I grew up with one just like her…..can ya tell? (grin))
2:08 pm on October 2nd, 2008
This one really has be wondering…. and I am so bothered by this little girls death. Wonder when the autopsy results will be back….
3:41 pm on October 2nd, 2008
What a horrible situation.
If the baby died of natural causes then that poor mom is sitting in jail when she should be allowed to grieve and bury her child and not have to deal with legal issues and people blaming her.
If she did kill her then that poor child had to go through the horror of having the person she probably loved more than anything in the world doing this to her. Not to mention being robbed of the life she should have been allowed to live.
I am going to reserve judgement until we hear what the autopsy says. This is so sad.
As for grandma STFU you are only making it worse and making yourself look like an ass.
RIP Bianca
4:43 pm on October 2nd, 2008
Did some research on suffocation causing bloody foam and found, well, not much. I did find that congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema, and carbon dioxide poisoning…crap, it may have say monoxide..can’t ‘member, oops!…does often cause bloody foam in the mouth and nose.
6:24 pm on October 2nd, 2008
It’s much more common in drowning, actually. So the posters that said it happens with congestive heart failure are right, in that it’s foamier when there is water or fluid on the lungs.
That said, a mucusy foam can and does happen during suffocation or strangulation. JonBenet Ramsey, for example, had mucusy stains on her shirt from her nose and mouth – once the foam dissipates, what is left is a mucusy material. But keep in mind that there doesn’t have to be a lot of foam, and usually isn’t.
Could Bianca have drowned, or had severe intractable CHF? Possibly, although you’d think she’d have been under medical care for that while she was in foster care and there would be records of same. It makes sense to me that Bianca was crying, swallowed her own spit or tears, and that’s what foamed up when she was being suffocated. There probably was, overall, a small amount. Blood particularly always looks like there’s a lot more than there is.
I agree that if the symptoms are as reported, then it’ll be very interesting to see what the autopsy says. And as I’ve said, I’ll happily change my article if the charges are dropped or Karrae is acquitted.
6:47 pm on October 2nd, 2008
I guess I am tierd of PEOPLE thinking PEOPLE aren’t capable of ANY FUCKING THING BECAUSE THEY ARE. WAKE UP. I personally know a couple people with the hole in the heart who had it fixed. Know about what happens if it kills you, and you know, foam and blood don’t shoot out your mouth. Now when I gave mouth to mouth to a man lying on the ground whom no one would help (because he was like 400 lbs) and who couldn’t breathe….who died while I performed CPR, who apparently had an obstruction in his throat, yes, blood and foam came out. It was traumatic, I watched him die as I tried to help him. I heaved and dry coughed and cried. (I too drank afterwards). I watched him change real colors as he lacked oxygen. I sensed the emergency, I told him to hold on, I was the last to see his eyes open and close…. He originally made horrible sounds, then no sounds. I couldn’t talk for several days. It is a vivid experience that will always stay with me. I find it hard as a mother of toddlers and a 3 year old girl, that if my baby died, with the blood, the foam, not breathing, no matter how it happened, that I could or would be blogging and posting on a site. I would NOT care about anything in the world including living. So do I believe this bitch, no. I think she’s a young girl who shouldn’t of had a baby. I think this child died horribly, knowing she was going, she struggled and when the autopsy shows the cause, unless its medical, I hope this piece of trash goes to jail forever where she can spend her life in a blog….I don’t believe most people are good…and for those of you who want to criticize me, save your breath for Jesus, because I will not change nor will I sympathize for those who have killed and/or hurt children.
6:54 pm on October 2nd, 2008
This whole story makes me sad. Life is really damn hard for teen mothers, having been one myself. I know the feeling of being on top of the world and the next being angry at the world. She was trying, I am gonna guess it just got overwhelming.
7:02 pm on October 2nd, 2008
From Grandma’s Blog:
Biancas Funeral
Yesterday I burid my beautiful Angel Bianca. I know everyone wants to know what happened , but the truth is only two people know Bianca and Karrae, and Bianca cant tell. I think I know what happened but for Karraes sake I am only going to discuss it with her lawyer. But please do not judge her before you get all the facts. She was on some very strong medication for being bipolar and the doctor recently changed it, that is all I am going to say.
Karrae is not the monster people are making her out to be. She loved Bianca more than anything in this world. Ask anyone who knew her. Look at the photos on her myspace
*************************************
Being Bi-Polar and BPD myself… *sigh* This story hurts. A lot.
7:48 pm on October 2nd, 2008
My own son has an enlarged decending aorta…above the 98th percentile for his body mass….it was only discovered when he was sick, at age 7 with a fever. The fever (for whatever reason) in sick children, can make a heart murmer easier to hear.
So his doctor detected a heart murmer…after a abnormal ultrasound of his heart, we were sent to the pediatric heart specialist…who diagnosed a murmer, a third ventricle (I think that is it) and of course what we are all concerned about this x-tra large decending aorta….Doc says the connective tissues are weakening….
That said, we would have NEVER known this…..and a burst aorta is fatal….and I assume mimics the above results…..
no contact sports, no heavy lifting, no over exertion and he is 9. I am just saying we don’t always know…..
STill waiting on the results of the autopsy….help us all if they are inconclusive….
9:54 pm on October 2nd, 2008
…yeah, yeah, I did. As all children with parents who love them, they see them as the universe…as the only god they know. I do think she loved Bianca. Children who are not loved and are abused on a daily basis…many never have a photo to show their little face after death. I’m not saying 20 something photos mean you are innocent of a fowl and terrible thing…just saying she clearly loved Bianca at least I believe so.
I want so badly to believe that this beautiful child was not killed by her mother. The official cause of death will speak volumes for a child who can no longer speak for herself.
It is complete misery to read about this kind of tragedy but more so unbearable for those who loved this child. My sincerest sympathies to the family.
Rest in peace sweet Bianca…your smile was the sunshine in your mother’s life….I hope she knows that.
10:06 pm on October 2nd, 2008
did anyone notice….She “found” her long lost sister on the 24th of September and 3 days later her baby was dead? I just find that a little strange.
10:55 pm on October 2nd, 2008
well I guess the girls in prison will see if she’s gay or bi I have a feeling Big Bertha will like this young one I only hope someone cuts her breathing off until she dies stupid bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!1
11:54 pm on October 2nd, 2008
I can never imagine how people can kill their children. It is just too damn sad.
12:31 am on October 3rd, 2008
I think it would only be fair to reserve comment on this one until we know the results from the autopsy. I sure hope this thing with young mothers and their 3 year olds isn’t becoming a new trend. Caylee Anthony brought me to DD and if it hadn’t been for her, I may never have heard of Bianca Nicole Starr. I guess I have been living on another planet most of my life. But, it seems 30 years ago, I never heard stories about shit like this, babies dying at the hands of their own mothers and fathers. Makes me wanna go Charles Bronson on all these MF’s. God bless Bianca and Caylee, both. I’m sure they are sisters in heaven.
3:13 am on October 3rd, 2008
I personally put ZERO stock in the fact that the child “seemed” well-loved and cared for. Abused children don’t always look like abused children–that’s why there are so very many cases that never come to the attention of social services–nothing about their appearance sets off alarm bells. You can love your child plenty (or at least, think you do) and still abuse her, usually due to substance abuse, anger problems, or just plain immaturity and not knowing any better. A whole lot of abusive parents love their kids, and justify any abuse as “well-deserved punishment that’s in the child’s best interest in the long run.”
I come from a nice, intact, two-parent middle class family–no mom’s boyfriends to deal with, no substance abuse problems, no step-parent issues. Just a nice white picket fence kind of family. I was always clean and well-fed, my parents took us to Disneyland, I did great in school. Every single photo shows a nice wholesome family, with children who seem to be very well-loved and cared for. Yet my father beat me until I left home at 16, and molested me when I was in grade school.
Appearances mean NOTHING. The only appearance that counts here (or any similar case) is the appearance of the dead child’s body and what was done to her.
7:53 am on October 3rd, 2008
Oh man, I couldn’t go to sleep last night, this was heavy on my mind. I really did think of this precious little girl all night, and didn’t sleep real well, and can’t even nap for the life of me, now. This one has effected me like no other.
I really do want to wait for autopsy results. But, I just don’t have a great feeling about them. First, they booked her on first degree murder charges. Why two counts, though?
There must be something to this, in that police report, what with the drunken, bi-polar medication change. Mom/Grandmom already opened her big yapper about a drunken accident (and that’s all she’ll say). Mom, ya maybe should have just kept yourself quiet about the whole thing. Jeez, any lawyer would throw his hands up at the stuff you’ve already let loose. You weren’t much in her life to begin with anyway. Why start now? You screwed her over, enough already, don’t you think? Don’t blame the media for being out of control with this. Keep your trap shut and that wont happen.
‘Snaps’ can happen in the most loving families. All it takes is Mom not really feeling too well, hungover, just wants some damn quiet, and stuff like this happens. Apparently she had been drinking for awhile. That really wears on a person, and their ability to fully take care of a small child. The neighbors noticed this poor little angel, huddled under a table. Now that’s just sad. That reeks of someone screaming at her to “leave me alone, just shut up!!”
Yeah, I’ve been there before too, looks can be deceiving. It’s natural for that little girl to look up at that woman with such love, it’s her mother. And that’s the saddest thing about this!
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