AMBER ALERT: Frank Deitsch

I hope they find this baby within the hour, safe. My heart goes out to his mother.

Return home safe little one.

Return home safe little one.

Return home safe little one.

Man thats scary. I hope this guy doesn’t do anythiny to the poor kid to hurt the mom… I mean besides what he’s already done.

Man thats scary. I hope this guy doesn’t do anythiny to the poor kid to hurt the mom… I mean besides what he’s already done.

Man thats scary. I hope this guy doesn’t do anythiny to the poor kid to hurt the mom… I mean besides what he’s already done.

Man thats scary. I hope this guy doesn’t do anythiny to the poor kid to hurt the mom… I mean besides what he’s already done.

Oh this breaks my heart! I can’t even imagine what the mother must be going through. My little boy is a 12 months and at this age babies have made such a fierce attachment to their mama’s…poor baby, I hope he is found alive and well as soon as possible.
A prayer for you little Frank.

Oh this breaks my heart! I can’t even imagine what the mother must be going through. My little boy is a 12 months and at this age babies have made such a fierce attachment to their mama’s…poor baby, I hope he is found alive and well as soon as possible.
A prayer for you little Frank.

This little guy is from an area not too far from me. Normally the area he lived in to begin with is slums anyway. I am hoping that this little boy is found safely. He is the age of my little miracle.

Praying for little man Frank. I hope you are found safe and well.

This little guy is from an area not too far from me. Normally the area he lived in to begin with is slums anyway. I am hoping that this little boy is found safely. He is the age of my little miracle.

Praying for little man Frank. I hope you are found safe and well.

This little guy is from an area not too far from me. Normally the area he lived in to begin with is slums anyway. I am hoping that this little boy is found safely. He is the age of my little miracle.

Praying for little man Frank. I hope you are found safe and well.

This little guy is from an area not too far from me. Normally the area he lived in to begin with is slums anyway. I am hoping that this little boy is found safely. He is the age of my little miracle.

Praying for little man Frank. I hope you are found safe and well.

This little guy is from an area not too far from me. Normally the area he lived in to begin with is slums anyway. I am hoping that this little boy is found safely. He is the age of my little miracle.

Praying for little man Frank. I hope you are found safe and well.

5’11″ and weighs only 125lbs? This guy must be a real meth-head or a crackhead to be that skinny

5’11″ and weighs only 125lbs? This guy must be a real meth-head or a crackhead to be that skinny

5’11″ and weighs only 125lbs? This guy must be a real meth-head or a crackhead to be that skinny

5’11″ and weighs only 125lbs? This guy must be a real meth-head or a crackhead to be that skinny

5’11″ and weighs only 125lbs? This guy must be a real meth-head or a crackhead to be that skinny

5’11″ and weighs only 125lbs? This guy must be a real meth-head or a crackhead to be that skinny

Oh God, has anyone heard any updates on the little guy? Have LE found him? I’m praying for you Frank jr.

Oh God, has anyone heard any updates on the little guy? Have LE found him? I’m praying for you Frank jr.

Oh God, has anyone heard any updates on the little guy? Have LE found him? I’m praying for you Frank jr.

The Amber Alert remains in effect, although the father called police last night and told them he’d be returning from Ohio with the boy sometime today. (P.S. Frank Jr. is the dad–if the baby is Frank III, they’re not reporting him that way.)

Oh God, has anyone heard any updates on the little guy? Have LE found him? I’m praying for you Frank jr.

The Amber Alert remains in effect, although the father called police last night and told them he’d be returning from Ohio with the boy sometime today. (P.S. Frank Jr. is the dad–if the baby is Frank III, they’re not reporting him that way.)

Thanks for a bit of an update Lizzard..LOL, oops, my fault.. LiZaRd. Your great!

Thanks for a bit of an update Lizzard..LOL, oops, my fault.. LiZaRd. Your great!

Thanks for a bit of an update Lizzard..LOL, oops, my fault.. LiZaRd. Your great!

5′11″ and weighs only 125lbs? This guy must be a real meth-head or a crackhead to be that skinny

Was thinking the same thing.

The Amber Alert remains in effect, although the father called police last night and told them he’d be returning from Ohio with the boy sometime today.

I hope like hell the father is telling the truth. Would be nice to see a happy ending on one of these cases.

(P.S. Frank Jr. is the dad–if the baby is Frank III, they’re not reporting him that way.)

Frank Junior Junior. Like the old ‘Friends’ episode.

5′11″ and weighs only 125lbs? This guy must be a real meth-head or a crackhead to be that skinny

Was thinking the same thing.

The Amber Alert remains in effect, although the father called police last night and told them he’d be returning from Ohio with the boy sometime today.

I hope like hell the father is telling the truth. Would be nice to see a happy ending on one of these cases.

(P.S. Frank Jr. is the dad–if the baby is Frank III, they’re not reporting him that way.)

Frank Junior Junior. Like the old ‘Friends’ episode.

I hope we can believe this skinny shithead.. Return home safe little Frank, then I hope they lock up that useless piece of penis shit ASAP

I hope we can believe this skinny shithead.. Return home safe little Frank, then I hope they lock up that useless piece of penis shit ASAP

It is believed the father was turned away from relatives in Ohio around 4 p.m. and now may be headed for Kentucky.

He went to family and they turned him away? Oh man, if anything happens to that poor child the guilt they feel will be unreal.

Look Frank Deitsch Jr. is my father I would like to set straight that there is no poor mother the MOTHER is a cocaine head my father has always been skinny ny dad was desperate to get my little brother out of that house and away from her granted he went about it the wrong way but that baby is in no danger the only danger he would be in is if he was left alone with her!!!!!!!!!!!!! And The babies name is Frank Dominique Deitsch he has a different last name than my day thats why he isnt the third.

Stupid dumbarse people… What the FLUCK are they thinking?

Does anybody ever stop to think that your only hearing the mothers side of the story I used to love her until I found out how bad of a drug head she was when my dad lived with me she would leave that poor baby alone with her other 12 year old daughter and go missing on drug binges for days.

Look Frank Deitsch Jr. is my father I would like to set straight that there is no poor mother the MOTHER is a cocaine head my father has always been skinny ny dad was desperate to get my little brother out of that house and away from her granted he went about it the wrong way but that baby is in no danger the only danger he would be in is if he was left alone with her!!!!!!!!!!!!! And The babies name is Frank Dominique Deitsch he has a different last name than my day thats why he isnt the third.

Stupid dumbarse people… What the FLUCK are they thinking?

Does anybody ever stop to think that your only hearing the mothers side of the story I used to love her until I found out how bad of a drug head she was when my dad lived with me she would leave that poor baby alone with her other 12 year old daughter and go missing on drug binges for days.

Look Frank Deitsch Jr. is my father I would like to set straight that there is no poor mother the MOTHER is a cocaine head my father has always been skinny ny dad was desperate to get my little brother out of that house and away from her granted he went about it the wrong way but that baby is in no danger the only danger he would be in is if he was left alone with her!!!!!!!!!!!!! And The babies name is Frank Dominique Deitsch he has a different last name than my day thats why he isnt the third.

Stupid dumbarse people… What the FLUCK are they thinking?

Does anybody ever stop to think that your only hearing the mothers side of the story I used to love her until I found out how bad of a drug head she was when my dad lived with me she would leave that poor baby alone with her other 12 year old daughter and go missing on drug binges for days.

Look Frank Deitsch Jr. is my father I would like to set straight that there is no poor mother the MOTHER is a cocaine head my father has always been skinny ny dad was desperate to get my little brother out of that house and away from her granted he went about it the wrong way but that baby is in no danger the only danger he would be in is if he was left alone with her!!!!!!!!!!!!! And The babies name is Frank Dominique Deitsch he has a different last name than my day thats why he isnt the third.

Stupid dumbarse people… What the FLUCK are they thinking?

Does anybody ever stop to think that your only hearing the mothers side of the story I used to love her until I found out how bad of a drug head she was when my dad lived with me she would leave that poor baby alone with her other 12 year old daughter and go missing on drug binges for days.

Thanks for posting, Amba1030. We always appreciate hearing the other side of our stories. Can you tell me a couple of things?

1. Have you heard from your dad? Do you know if he and the baby are ok and heading back?
2. Do you know if he’s done anything by legal channels to get custody of the child?
3. How old are you? You sound like a self-possessed adult. Do you have a relationship with the baby’s mother or the baby? Live nearby? See them often?

Thanks for any light you can shed!!

Thanks for posting, Amba1030. We always appreciate hearing the other side of our stories. Can you tell me a couple of things?

1. Have you heard from your dad? Do you know if he and the baby are ok and heading back?
2. Do you know if he’s done anything by legal channels to get custody of the child?
3. How old are you? You sound like a self-possessed adult. Do you have a relationship with the baby’s mother or the baby? Live nearby? See them often?

Thanks for any light you can shed!!

Thanks for posting, Amba1030. We always appreciate hearing the other side of our stories. Can you tell me a couple of things?

1. Have you heard from your dad? Do you know if he and the baby are ok and heading back?
2. Do you know if he’s done anything by legal channels to get custody of the child?
3. How old are you? You sound like a self-possessed adult. Do you have a relationship with the baby’s mother or the baby? Live nearby? See them often?

Thanks for any light you can shed!!

Amba – I hope that you can convince you father to bring the child home safely. Maybe there is a better way to “handle” the so called mother. If she is truly a coke head CPS needs to be informed. Sad for your Dad, though. He will be in a world of trouble… I am sorry that your family is going through this. It sure sounds like a nightmare.

Amba – I hope that you can convince you father to bring the child home safely. Maybe there is a better way to “handle” the so called mother. If she is truly a coke head CPS needs to be informed. Sad for your Dad, though. He will be in a world of trouble… I am sorry that your family is going through this. It sure sounds like a nightmare.

Amba – I hope that you can convince you father to bring the child home safely. Maybe there is a better way to “handle” the so called mother. If she is truly a coke head CPS needs to be informed. Sad for your Dad, though. He will be in a world of trouble… I am sorry that your family is going through this. It sure sounds like a nightmare.

Amba – I hope that you can convince you father to bring the child home safely. Maybe there is a better way to “handle” the so called mother. If she is truly a coke head CPS needs to be informed. Sad for your Dad, though. He will be in a world of trouble… I am sorry that your family is going through this. It sure sounds like a nightmare.

Look Frank Deitsch Jr. is my father I would like to set straight that there is no poor mother the MOTHER is a cocaine head my father has always been skinny ny dad was desperate to get my little brother out of that house and away from her granted he went about it the wrong way but that baby is in no danger the only danger he would be in is if he was left alone with her!!!!!!!!!!!!! And The babies name is Frank Dominique Deitsch he has a different last name than my day thats why he isnt the third.

I don’t think this will help him get custody…just sayin’ .

my father has always been skinny ny dad was desperate to get my little brother out of that house and away from her granted he went about it the wrong way but that baby is in no danger the only danger he would be in is if he was left alone with her!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5’11″ and 125lbs is not skinny – it’s emaciated. The fashion industry is turning models away with those stats for being too thin. A 56 year old man with a slowing metabolism does not weight 125lbs unless he’s 5′ nothing. If the mother is a coke head, likely the father is too. Those types tend to find each other for a reason. Maybe I’m wrong and he’s just a very unhealthy person, maybe he has a tapeworm.

I think I’ll wait until he’s caught and more info comes out. You know your dad is going to prison now? Doesn’t matter why he did it.

5′11″ and 125lbs is not skinny – it’s emaciated. The fashion industry is turning models away with those stats for being too thin. A 56 year old man with a slowing metabolism does not weight 125lbs unless he’s 5′ nothing. If the mother is a coke head, likely the father is too. Those types tend to find each other for a reason. Maybe I’m wrong and he’s just a very unhealthy person, maybe he has a tapeworm.

I will answer all questions

First off how do you know if he would be a coke head or not I mean really and where do you get your knowledge from anyway….

#1. Tell me when the cops or your signifigant other ever really know how much you weigh. Also have you ever heard of being stressed out and losing weight I mean really. Enough on the weight all that matters is the baby.

Amba – I hope that you can convince you father to bring the child home safely. Maybe there is a better way to “handle” the so called mother. If she is truly a coke head CPS needs to be informed. Sad for your Dad, though. He will be in a world of trouble… I am sorry that your family is going through this. It sure sounds like a nightmare.

#2. The last thing I heard from the detectives is that my father has been in contact with the police. And thank you yes it does feel like a nightmare and i knew something like this would happen. These two people do not need to be together and its sad that it has had to come to this for them to finally realize it. The CPS have investigated her before but i am not going to give out the information on that. Also you dont know my dad might not be in any trouble at all for the simple fact that none of you people on here know both sides of the stories or know anything about the money at all REMEMBER: There is a lot more to the story than the police release to the media!!!

1. Have you heard from your dad? Do you know if he and the baby are ok and heading back?2. Do you know if he’s done anything by legal channels to get custody of the child?3. How old are you? You sound like a self-possessed adult. Do you have a relationship with the baby’s mother or the baby? Live nearby? See them often?

#3 I dont know if they are heading back but the detectives did tell me that they were ok.
#4 He has not done anything legally for full custody because up until yesterday him and my little brothers mother were still together.
#5 I am 20 years old I am married and own my own house. Yes i am a strong person me and my dad have never really been close but I do know the facts so PLEASE everyone on here dont think im taking up for him because he is my daddy because i am NOT!!
#6. I used to have a relationship with her matter of fact I loved her A LOT. She bought me everything for my first prom but then her and my father started to have more and more of a destructive relationship and me and her fell apart. Unfortunatly I live two states away from where they live the last time I saw my baby brother was at Easter time.

I don’t think this will help him get custody…just sayin’ .

#7 Thats not what I was trying to do but thanks anyway

I think I’ll wait until he’s caught and more info comes out. You know your dad is going to prison now? Doesn’t matter why he did it.

#8 Like i said in the beggining if he goes to prison he does all I am concerned about is my little brother being safe which safe is not with her.

Thanks for answering, Amba!

A Warren police officer says it is unlikely that charges will be filed.
http://www.candgnews.com/Homepage-Articles/2008/9-10-08/WC-AMBER.asp

1. Have you heard from your dad? Do you know if he and the baby are ok and heading back?2. Do you know if he’s done anything by legal channels to get custody of the child?3. How old are you? You sound like a self-possessed adult. Do you have a relationship with the baby’s mother or the baby? Live nearby? See them often?

Ruby your questions are answered number 3-6

A Warren police officer says it is unlikely that charges will be filed.http://www.candgnews.com/Homep…..-AMBER.asp

What did I say??

GET SOME HELP THEN…. Ya think?

Amba – Any way for YOU to get custody of little Frank? Maybe you are more suited for the job that the coke head mom?? You are obviously a very loving person to come here and defend your dad. Maybe that is what your brother needs. No matter – It is so sad for that baby to be caught in such a crazy situation. I know that you feel like we are attacking your Dad, and that may be partly true. Fact is – He could have handled this differently and then none of us would be discussing here him. Sad but true.

Stupid Dumbass people is true. HE is STUPID for going about it like this. She has custody, and now he will be in jail. Sometimes you must use your head, and do things the right way. I understand that it bothers you to hear bad things about your Father, BUT… I think the SHOE FITS.

Did you not read the entry number 21 click on it and read the article!!!
I dont CARE TO HEAR BAD THINGS ABOUT MY DAD I just hate when people try to debate but DO NOT know all the facts. And how do you know SHE has custody thte answer??? You dont know but thats fine UHHH I hate people who think they know everything!!!

Thanks Anyway!!!!

okay, first of all, fathers have every right to the child as the mother. Based on the article how do we know if the father isn’t a better choice then the mother? Becasue he physically assaulted her? Well, what is he showed up to see his son and she was cracked out and the baby was screaming and in a dirty diaper? Maybe he shoved her and screamed and took his son to a safer place. Unless he had no rights to his child this sn’t a kidknapping~~~I’m a mother and I’m telling you, we don’t have enough of the facts..

okay, first of all, fathers have every right to the child as the mother. Based on the article how do we know if the father isn’t a better choice then the mother? Becasue he physically assaulted her? Well, what is he showed up to see his son and she was cracked out and the baby was screaming and in a dirty diaper? Maybe he shoved her and screamed and took his son to a safer place. Unless he had no rights to his child this sn’t a kidknapping~~~I’m a mother and I’m telling you, we don’t have enough of the facts..

You are the smartest person I have seen on here today you pretty much got the story right except he lives with the baby. Thank you for being a smart open minded person.

He should have went outside the house called police and told them that the Mother was on crack, and she has HIS child in the house. Cops & CPS would have responded. Guess what, he could have gotten custody right then and there.
Then he could use his legal rights as a Father and gain custody, at least until her problem is straightened out. It sounds to me that she wasn’t always like this. She needs help, and the sad part is now he will need it as well in the judges eyes. If he ever goes for custody…

I would absolutly LOVE to have custody of my baby brother he is the sweetest child unfortunatly I have no rights to him in a legal aspect and I AM NOT just here defending my dad and I dont mind people having their OPINIONS but I do hate when people are very close minded.

Amba – I am trying to be OPEN minded. I don’t know your dad’s situation. I had no idea that he lived with the baby. Did the mother live there also? That is why I think it is grand that you came here. You are the voice that can fill in the blanks so that we DON’T pass false judgement. BTW – in the case of your Dad and coke mom; if they were both on drugs, I would hope that would give you the right (legally) to step in. It would be better for him to be raised by family and you seem like you eould be a great candidate. Please don’t take this as me calling your Dad drug addicted. I have no idea… I was just throwing that out there. BTW – If you read back to my original post, I didn’t judge anyone. so I took offense to this statement:

You are the smartest person I have seen on here today you pretty much got the story right except he lives with the baby. Thank you for being a smart open minded person.

Well, if I TRUELY felt that my child was in grave danger w/the other parent, I would take that child in my car down to the local walmart (5miles down the road) and get a car seat~honestly. We don’t know that he hasn’t obtained one by now. No, not the smartest thing in the world but drastic times call for drastic measures. Also, calling the police and waiting for them to arrive? No, not if I thought my child was in DANGER! I would do what I had to do to help my child. I am just being opened minded here. I mean a lot of these stories it is so OBVIOUS that the poepl eare wrong but this one…I question and will wait until all of the facts come out to start bashing the father…sorry~~

Well, if I TRUELY felt that my child was in grave danger w/the other parent, I would take that child in my car down to the local walmart (5miles down the road) and get a car seat~honestly. We don’t know that he hasn’t obtained one by now. No, not the smartest thing in the world but drastic times call for drastic measures. Also, calling the police and waiting for them to arrive? No, not if I thought my child was in DANGER! I would do what I had to do to help my child. I am just being opened minded here. I mean a lot of these stories it is so OBVIOUS that the poepl eare wrong but this one…I question and will wait until all of the facts come out to start bashing the father…sorry~~

I agree. I would have done everything in my power to get my son out of a patentialy dangerous situation. We don’t have ALL the facts. That is why I am glad Amba is here. Now if we could just someone to speak on behalf of the mother, we’d be golden.

Yeah, because splitting town, is really gonna get the child out of Danger for a long time… That child will be back in with her now… That is even worse…He could of grabbed the child and went to the police station… Many other options..
Just so you know, my so called Mother was a nutjob, addicted to drugs & men… My father did it the smart way, and he was granted custody of me, and my brothers… So I speak from someone that went through this… We were in danger, from many things… He made sure that our present, & FUTURE were safe.

So the weight issue….. Not that I know anything about the boy’s father, but my husband is 6’9″ and only 175 pounds. Skinny as a rail. My step kids are the same way, the 10 yo is 5’3″ and only weighs 75 pounds. It’s in there genetics. (You wouldn’t believe how much they eat…lol)

So the weight issue….. Not that I know anything about the boy’s father, but my husband is 6’9″ and only 175 pounds. Skinny as a rail. My step kids are the same way, the 10 yo is 5’3″ and only weighs 75 pounds. It’s in there genetics. (You wouldn’t believe how much they eat…lol)

Wow, you’re a mother? Because, you know, no one else on the DD is a mother. Okay, I’m joking, but anyone who carts an infant off in a CAR WITH NO CAR SEAT is not going to win a Parent of the Year award (no offense meant to Amba).

HE DID HAVE A CAR SEAT…. HE WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HER SO WHEN HE DID HE STOPPED DOWN THE ROAD AND PUT HIM IN IT!!

Wow, you’re a mother? Because, you know, no one else on the DD is a mother. Okay, I’m joking, but anyone who carts an infant off in a CAR WITH NO CAR SEAT is not going to win a Parent of the Year award (no offense meant to Amba).

HE DID HAVE A CAR SEAT…. HE WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HER SO WHEN HE DID HE STOPPED DOWN THE ROAD AND PUT HIM IN IT!!

Yeah, because splitting town, is really gonna get the child out of Danger for a long time… That child will be back in with her now… That is even worse…He could of grabbed the child and went to the police station… Many other options..Just so you know, my so called Mother was a nutjob, addicted to drugs & men… My father did it the smart way, and he was granted custody of me, and my brothers… So I speak from someone that went through this… We were in danger, from many things… He made sure that our present, & FUTURE were safe.

yOU ARE JUST REALLY THE MOST JUDGEMENTAL PERSON ON HERE REALLY YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE BABY YOU JUST WANT TO BASH PEOPLE I MEAN SERIOUSLY BACK OFF!!

Yeah, because splitting town, is really gonna get the child out of Danger for a long time… That child will be back in with her now… That is even worse…He could of grabbed the child and went to the police station… Many other options..Just so you know, my so called Mother was a nutjob, addicted to drugs & men… My father did it the smart way, and he was granted custody of me, and my brothers… So I speak from someone that went through this… We were in danger, from many things… He made sure that our present, & FUTURE were safe.

yOU ARE JUST REALLY THE MOST JUDGEMENTAL PERSON ON HERE REALLY YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE BABY YOU JUST WANT TO BASH PEOPLE I MEAN SERIOUSLY BACK OFF!!

Amba – Have you heard anything? Has he brought the baby back? Is little Frank okay? Are they charging him or the coke mom with anything? Keep us posted. Try to keep in mind (also) that it’s human nature for people to be angry and jusge when they read a story like this. Like I said, that is why you are here… To fill in the blanks.

Amba – Have you heard anything? Has he brought the baby back? Is little Frank okay? Are they charging him or the coke mom with anything? Keep us posted. Try to keep in mind (also) that it’s human nature for people to be angry and jusge when they read a story like this. Like I said, that is why you are here… To fill in the blanks.

Amba, I wish you and your little brother a happy ending in all of this. I know in life tempers flair sometimes and people do things that they think is right at the time. Please keep in touch and let us know that he’s alright. Maybe something good will come for him in all of this. Good luck.

Amba, I wish you and your little brother a happy ending in all of this. I know in life tempers flair sometimes and people do things that they think is right at the time. Please keep in touch and let us know that he’s alright. Maybe something good will come for him in all of this. Good luck.

With all due respect, Amba – If you have an Amber Alert issued for you, you know that you made a big mistake. Now, it may not be the biggest mistake that could have been made, but your father could very well have guaranteed himself a lack of custody if they decide to file charges. You know what they say about good intentions paving the road to hell. Let’s just hope that everything ends well for everyone involved, assuming things are as you say they are.

Currently, I have a couple of associates consumed by custody struggles who are not going about it properly (withholding visitation and such). I realize the courts and police are uncomfortable to deal with, but it’s often worth the discomfort, as the determinations are mediated and supported by law.

With all due respect, Amba – If you have an Amber Alert issued for you, you know that you made a big mistake. Now, it may not be the biggest mistake that could have been made, but your father could very well have guaranteed himself a lack of custody if they decide to file charges. You know what they say about good intentions paving the road to hell. Let’s just hope that everything ends well for everyone involved, assuming things are as you say they are.

Currently, I have a couple of associates consumed by custody struggles who are not going about it properly (withholding visitation and such). I realize the courts and police are uncomfortable to deal with, but it’s often worth the discomfort, as the determinations are mediated and supported by law.

Well I have to leave work now thank you guys for all your opinions and advice it has really helped me out.

Well I have to leave work now thank you guys for all your opinions and advice it has really helped me out.

Amba, I really hope everything turns out for the best for you and your family. I’m glad you came on here to give us more information. Sometimes you just read so many stories like this where the father takes the child to hurt the mother, and ends up hurting the child, that you automatically think they’re all like that. Thanks for reminding us that isn’t always the case. The welfare of the child is the most important thing.

Amba, I really hope everything turns out for the best for you and your family. I’m glad you came on here to give us more information. Sometimes you just read so many stories like this where the father takes the child to hurt the mother, and ends up hurting the child, that you automatically think they’re all like that. Thanks for reminding us that isn’t always the case. The welfare of the child is the most important thing.

I would absolutly LOVE to have custody of my baby brother he is the sweetest child unfortunatly I have no rights to him in a legal aspect and I AM NOT just here defending my dad and I dont mind people having their OPINIONS but I do hate when people are very close minded.

I have my half-brother (same dad, diff. mom) so I don’t see why you can’t get your half- brother.

Yeah, because splitting town, is really gonna get the child out of Danger for a long time… That child will be back in with her now… That is even worse…He could of grabbed the child and went to the police station… Many other options..Just so you know, my so called Mother was a nutjob, addicted to drugs & men… My father did it the smart way, and he was granted custody of me, and my brothers… So I speak from someone that went through this… We were in danger, from many things… He made sure that our present, & FUTURE were safe.

yOU ARE JUST REALLY THE MOST JUDGEMENTAL PERSON ON HERE REALLY YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE BABY YOU JUST WANT TO BASH PEOPLE I MEAN SERIOUSLY BACK OFF!!

I don’t think she was being judgemental. I see her point on this.

I would absolutly LOVE to have custody of my baby brother he is the sweetest child unfortunatly I have no rights to him in a legal aspect and I AM NOT just here defending my dad and I dont mind people having their OPINIONS but I do hate when people are very close minded.

I have my half-brother (same dad, diff. mom) so I don’t see why you can’t get your half- brother.

Yeah, because splitting town, is really gonna get the child out of Danger for a long time… That child will be back in with her now… That is even worse…He could of grabbed the child and went to the police station… Many other options..Just so you know, my so called Mother was a nutjob, addicted to drugs & men… My father did it the smart way, and he was granted custody of me, and my brothers… So I speak from someone that went through this… We were in danger, from many things… He made sure that our present, & FUTURE were safe.

yOU ARE JUST REALLY THE MOST JUDGEMENTAL PERSON ON HERE REALLY YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE BABY YOU JUST WANT TO BASH PEOPLE I MEAN SERIOUSLY BACK OFF!!

I don’t think she was being judgemental. I see her point on this.

Amba, I am not saying these things to hurt anyone. Your father was trying to do a good thing here… I see that… I see that he LOVES his children (including you).. He could have left that baby there with that nutjob… I just worry about the childs future now…
Every action we take affects us… Sometimes, even when we are upset and can’t think straight, we have to take a step back… and solve the situation for good. That includes these parents when they get frustrated when a child won’t stop crying… Put the baby in a safe place, regain your composure… Than you can handle it better.. Never ever react out of anger… Only ends bad…

PS, I am always on a good Fathers side… I was saved by one…

Amba, I am not saying these things to hurt anyone. Your father was trying to do a good thing here… I see that… I see that he LOVES his children (including you).. He could have left that baby there with that nutjob… I just worry about the childs future now…
Every action we take affects us… Sometimes, even when we are upset and can’t think straight, we have to take a step back… and solve the situation for good. That includes these parents when they get frustrated when a child won’t stop crying… Put the baby in a safe place, regain your composure… Than you can handle it better.. Never ever react out of anger… Only ends bad…

PS, I am always on a good Fathers side… I was saved by one…

HE DID HAVE A CAR SEAT…. HE WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HER SO WHEN HE DID HE STOPPED DOWN THE ROAD AND PUT HIM IN IT!!

Okay, good! Thanks for clearing that up. That does definitely make some difference to me.

MPRATT said:

Yeah, because splitting town, is really gonna get the child out of Danger for a long time… That child will be back in with her now… That is even worse…He could of grabbed the child and went to the police station… Many other options..Just so you know, my so called Mother was a nutjob, addicted to drugs & men… My father did it the smart way, and he was granted custody of me, and my brothers… So I speak from someone that went through this… We were in danger, from many things… He made sure that our present, & FUTURE were safe.

Amba said:

yOU ARE JUST REALLY THE MOST JUDGEMENTAL PERSON ON HERE REALLY YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE BABY YOU JUST WANT TO BASH PEOPLE I MEAN SERIOUSLY BACK OFF!!

Amba, no. You are upset, and so you are not listening to what MPRATT really said. MPRATT shared a personal story about his or her own parents that was very pertinent indeed, as it compares to situation at hand. MPRATT didn’t “judge” anyone in the way you’re saying. At the same time, that is what we do on this site, so you might as well realize it now: we are thinking people who form judgments from the evidence we have onhand. But MPRATT wasn’t saying anything but the truth: by doing what he did, no matter how good his intentions, your father has jeopardized his chances for being able to parent his baby. That’s a regrettable fact. We all do things in the heat of the moment that aren’t well thought-out. The fact that your father drove through a bunch of states and kept wilfully going long after he had time to REFLECT and think it over, does not sit well with anyone who is thinking clearly. So don’t yell. We all care, and we’re all sorry you’ve got this insanely upsetting situation to deal with.

HE DID HAVE A CAR SEAT…. HE WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HER SO WHEN HE DID HE STOPPED DOWN THE ROAD AND PUT HIM IN IT!!

Okay, good! Thanks for clearing that up. That does definitely make some difference to me.

MPRATT said:

Yeah, because splitting town, is really gonna get the child out of Danger for a long time… That child will be back in with her now… That is even worse…He could of grabbed the child and went to the police station… Many other options..Just so you know, my so called Mother was a nutjob, addicted to drugs & men… My father did it the smart way, and he was granted custody of me, and my brothers… So I speak from someone that went through this… We were in danger, from many things… He made sure that our present, & FUTURE were safe.

Amba said:

yOU ARE JUST REALLY THE MOST JUDGEMENTAL PERSON ON HERE REALLY YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE BABY YOU JUST WANT TO BASH PEOPLE I MEAN SERIOUSLY BACK OFF!!

Amba, no. You are upset, and so you are not listening to what MPRATT really said. MPRATT shared a personal story about his or her own parents that was very pertinent indeed, as it compares to situation at hand. MPRATT didn’t “judge” anyone in the way you’re saying. At the same time, that is what we do on this site, so you might as well realize it now: we are thinking people who form judgments from the evidence we have onhand. But MPRATT wasn’t saying anything but the truth: by doing what he did, no matter how good his intentions, your father has jeopardized his chances for being able to parent his baby. That’s a regrettable fact. We all do things in the heat of the moment that aren’t well thought-out. The fact that your father drove through a bunch of states and kept wilfully going long after he had time to REFLECT and think it over, does not sit well with anyone who is thinking clearly. So don’t yell. We all care, and we’re all sorry you’ve got this insanely upsetting situation to deal with.

I found one site that’s saying that the Amber Alert for Frank has been canceled and he’s been safely recovered–no details, though.

http://codeamber.org/deitschmi/mi_091508_1541_amber_alert_deitsch_canceled.html

Okay, I found another source reporting that Frank is in the custody of child protective services and will remain there until the investigation of the incident is completed.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080915/NEWS04/80915026

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I found one site that’s saying that the Amber Alert for Frank has been canceled and he’s been safely recovered–no details, though.

Yay! That’s good news. Amba, if you are prepared (economically and domestically and psychologically) to care for this child, it may well happen that you will be doing that very thing. I hope for the best possible outcomes for everyone in your family: you, your little bro, your dad, your mom.

Okay, I found another source reporting that Frank is in the custody of child protective services and will remain there until the investigation of the incident is completed.

Now the baby might end up in the system for good. I hope not.

Now the baby might end up in the system for good. I hope not.

Yikes! That’s scary. That would mean a possibility of him ending up on this site again.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs…..4/80915026

Mommy dearest left some interesting comments:
frankiesmother wrote:

hello, i am frankies mother and would like to comment on this situation. yes my ex, frank, DOES have a violent temper, which has been proven in the past by the domestic violence restaining order from his ex wife. he also has had SUPERVISED visits with one of his other young children. as far as myself being a pill head as im being called, ill be happy to prove that insinuation WRONG as well. let the FACTS speak for themselves. thank you all for your support and good wishes and god bless.

frankiesmother wrote:

lol lets just say the scumbag in question put on a very convincing front about his innocense and i wasn’t told about his prior domestic violence or previous kidnapping of his youngest daughter until much later. guess we all live and learn sometime huh ?

i understand fully and no offense taken as i used to say the same thing about similiar situations i’ve seen. thank you for your reply and god bless you and yours

I bet he is so scared and confused… uGHHHHH.. My heart is with him…

hello, i am frankies mother and would like to comment on this situation. yes my ex, frank, DOES have a violent temper, which has been proven in the past by the domestic violence restaining order from his ex wife. he also has had SUPERVISED visits with one of his other young children. as far as myself being a pill head as im being called, ill be happy to prove that insinuation WRONG as well. let the FACTS speak for themselves. thank you all for your support and good wishes and god bless.

lol lets just say the scumbag in question put on a very convincing front about his innocense and i wasn’t told about his prior domestic violence or previous kidnapping of his youngest daughter until much later. guess we all live and learn sometime huh ?

i understand fully and no offense taken as i used to say the same thing about similiar situations i’ve seen. thank you for your reply and god bless you and yours

Frankie’s mother said all this? I find this rather compelling. Thank you for posting all that, justmeintn. As some brilliant person said earlier (April??), we still needed the mother’s point of view. And now we have it. Amba, I don’t know what issues you have with your mother. But the fact remains that even if one parent IS a pillhead (whatever is meant by that–what kind of pills, anyway?) it doesn’t mean the other has done right. If this man had a domestic violence restraining order put on him by his previous wife, and/or was involved in kidnaping some other child of his in the past, that pretty much speaks for itself. I don’t know very many people who have found themselves needing to enact two abductions in two totally different situations.

Do you have any response to all that, Amba? What’s with this prior domestic violence order? And the previous abduction? Do your mother’s words hold any credence for you?

Mommy dearest left some interesting comments:frankiesmother wrote:

I wish she would come here…

Not sure about other states, but I do know the law in Michigan….IF there is no preceding custody order….or FOC rulings, or the parent’s live together and there is no order, AND paternity is established, then one parent CAN take the child……and it is up to the other parent to “fight” for custody to have the child returned to “her” (or his) sole care……

Now if the “mother” was thinking, and the father wanted to take custody….(w/o a court order standing at the moment) then the mother needs to freak out, claim abuse and say the child is in danger……..

I do not know what happened in this case…..and obviously there are two sides……and perhaps this father is a controlling, abusive SOB….. ..

PPO’s actually mean NOTHING…..anyone can file one….my ex filed one on me because after our seperation, I “stole” our car…(actually I took the car when I escaped his abusive ass)..he filed so that I couldn’t come near him or our car…….After he hunted me down and took the car in the middle of the night…..and it was immediately granted……

I think (if I’m not mistaken) Frankie’s mother is Amba’s step-mother or just the father’s GF. Does anyone know her last name or identity at all?? Can we comment on that news site and invite her here?? I am leaving work and won’t be able to get back on for an hour or so. I’m sure that someone will beat me to it.

I think (if I’m not mistaken) Frankie’s mother is Amba’s step-mother or just the father’s GF. Does anyone know her last name or identity at all?? Can we comment on that news site and invite her here?? I am leaving work and won’t be able to get back on for an hour or so. I’m sure that someone will beat me to it.

We can comment on that news site. If you don’t have time to do it, I will comment and invite her here.

We can comment on that news site. If you don’t have time to do it, I will comment and invite her here.

Do you have any response to all that, Amba? What’s with this prior domestic violence order? And the previous abduction? Do your mother’s words hold any credence for you?

There are not “domestic violence restraining orders” as far as I know, that exist in Michigan. Basically there is a PPO….Personal Protection Order, people can file for….either an ex parte…. which is granted immediately….(usually in cases of DV-when the other party is in jail for 24 hours) or a regular PPO, which requires a hearing with the other party….usually stalking cases and such have this type granted……..PPO’s vary by the rules stated on them…..distance’s allowed, places frequented, oh there is a ton of rules that can be stated on the PPO…….

Do you have any response to all that, Amba? What’s with this prior domestic violence order? And the previous abduction? Do your mother’s words hold any credence for you?

There are not “domestic violence restraining orders” as far as I know, that exist in Michigan. Basically there is a PPO….Personal Protection Order, people can file for….either an ex parte…. which is granted immediately….(usually in cases of DV-when the other party is in jail for 24 hours) or a regular PPO, which requires a hearing with the other party….usually stalking cases and such have this type granted……..PPO’s vary by the rules stated on them…..distance’s allowed, places frequented, oh there is a ton of rules that can be stated on the PPO…….

We can comment on that news site. If you don’t have time to do it, I will comment and invite her here.

That would be awesome – I’m walking out the door. Be back in an hour or so. I will cross my fingers and hope that she shows up here. I am currious to know if Amba is the daughter that he kidnapped.

We can comment on that news site. If you don’t have time to do it, I will comment and invite her here.

That would be awesome – I’m walking out the door. Be back in an hour or so. I will cross my fingers and hope that she shows up here. I am currious to know if Amba is the daughter that he kidnapped.

FrankiesMother: I would like you to come to http://www.dreamindemon.com & give us the story. Someone on there is putting out info that you are an “unfit” mother. The girl claim’s to be the half-sister of your son. Thanks! I’m glad your son is safe. I wish you the best of luck.

That is what I wrote to her. Let me know if it sounds good, please.

FrankiesMother: I would like you to come to http://www.dreamindemon.com & give us the story. Someone on there is putting out info that you are an “unfit” mother. The girl claim’s to be the half-sister of your son. Thanks! I’m glad your son is safe. I wish you the best of luck.

That is what I wrote to her. Let me know if it sounds good, please.

That is what I wrote to her. Let me know if it sounds good, please.

Sounds good to me….very good …….

That is what I wrote to her. Let me know if it sounds good, please.

Sounds good to me….very good …….

Sounds good to me….very good …….

Thanks Komak. I try & I’d like to know the mother’s side too.

lol lets just say the scumbag in question put on a very convincing front about his innocense and i wasn’t told about his prior domestic violence or previous kidnapping of his youngest daughter until much later. guess we all live and learn sometime huh ?

this sounds like she is immediately trying to shift and defer blame…..”he put on a very convincing front about his innocence and didn’t tell me about his prior domestic violence….” she already knows people are going to be judging her harshly and is not accepting any blame here

…….I suppose what struck me was the quick defense…..wasn’t me…isn’t me….his fault his falut…….ect….Can you see it behind her actual words….she is actually defending any and all possible advances..that anyone may make against her…usually it isn’t like this…..typically in DV situations, especially bad ones…she should be beating herself up with….regret and self blame…..not placing it……deflecting it…..or defending herself……

That is what I wrote to her. Let me know if it sounds good, please.

You rock. Thanks!

…….I suppose what struck me was the quick defense…..wasn’t me…isn’t me….his fault his falut…….ect….Can you see it behind her actual words….she is actually defending any and all possible advances..that anyone may make against her…usually it isn’t like this…..typically in DV situations, especially bad ones…she should be beating herself up with….regret and self blame…..not placing it……deflecting it…..or defending herself……

I agree. As a mother, if faced with a violent situation, I would do anything and everything in my power to protect my child.

That is what I wrote to her. Let me know if it sounds good, please.

You rock. Thanks!

…….I suppose what struck me was the quick defense…..wasn’t me…isn’t me….his fault his falut…….ect….Can you see it behind her actual words….she is actually defending any and all possible advances..that anyone may make against her…usually it isn’t like this…..typically in DV situations, especially bad ones…she should be beating herself up with….regret and self blame…..not placing it……deflecting it…..or defending herself……

I agree. As a mother, if faced with a violent situation, I would do anything and everything in my power to protect my child.

Not sure about other states, but I do know the law in Michigan….IF there is no preceding custody order….or FOC rulings, or the parent’s live together and there is no order, AND paternity is established, then one parent CAN take the child……and it is up to the other parent to “fight” for custody to have the child returned to “her” (or his) sole care……</blockquote

Komak is absolutely correct here, and as for a ppo, they really are useless, and the courts made me feel as bad as my abuser/stalker when I applied for one. Even with my children’s schools, and my works affidavits I was denied. (it’s on camera, when his gf tried to run me down in the parking lot) Thank goodness the schools helped us with relocating, something the shelter wouldn’t do, since the ppo was denied. I offer the best of luck to whichever parent is more fit.

Not sure about other states, but I do know the law in Michigan….IF there is no preceding custody order….or FOC rulings, or the parent’s live together and there is no order, AND paternity is established, then one parent CAN take the child……and it is up to the other parent to “fight” for custody to have the child returned to “her” (or his) sole care……</blockquote

Komak is absolutely correct here, and as for a ppo, they really are useless, and the courts made me feel as bad as my abuser/stalker when I applied for one. Even with my children’s schools, and my works affidavits I was denied. (it’s on camera, when his gf tried to run me down in the parking lot) Thank goodness the schools helped us with relocating, something the shelter wouldn’t do, since the ppo was denied. I offer the best of luck to whichever parent is more fit.

PLEASE RETURN THIS LITTLE FELLA I PRAY HE ENDS UP AT HOME WITH HIS MOM

PLEASE RETURN THIS LITTLE FELLA I PRAY HE ENDS UP AT HOME WITH HIS MOM

This article say that there is a custody battle… *scratches head* I thought they lived together???

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080916/NEWS04/809160358/1006/NEWS

This article say that there is a custody battle… *scratches head* I thought they lived together???

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080916/NEWS04/809160358/1006/NEWS

This article say that there is a custody battle… *scratches head* I thought they lived together???

That is strange.

This article say that there is a custody battle… *scratches head* I thought they lived together???

That is strange.

That is strange.

Right?? I was under the impression that they lived together and the Dad got mad and left with baby Frank. WTF?? A custody battle implies that they didn’t live together or had been separated. My head is spinning. Well, whatever the case may be – There will be a custody battle now.

Frankie’s mother said all this? I find this rather compelling. Thank you for posting all that, justmeintn. As some brilliant person said earlier (April??), we still needed the mother’s point of view. And now we have it. Amba, I don’t know what issues you have with your mother. But the fact remains that even if one parent IS a pillhead (whatever is meant by that–what kind of pills, anyway?) it doesn’t mean the other has done right. If this man had a domestic violence restraining order put on him by his previous wife, and/or was involved in kidnaping some other child of his in the past, that pretty much speaks for itself. I don’t know very many people who have found themselves needing to enact two abductions in two totally different situations.

SHE IS NOT MY MOTHER SHES NOT EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO BE MY MOTHER!!! IT DOESNT MATTER THE FACT THAT SHE IS MORE WORRIED ABOUT PLAYING ON THE COMPUTER THAN DOING WHATEVER SHE CAN WITH A LAWYER GOES TO SHOW A LOT SHE IS A VILE IMMATURE WOMAN WHO…… NO YOU KNOW WHAT NEVERMIND. jUST FORGET IT ITS NOT WORTH MY TIME

Frankie’s mother said all this? I find this rather compelling. Thank you for posting all that, justmeintn. As some brilliant person said earlier (April??), we still needed the mother’s point of view. And now we have it. Amba, I don’t know what issues you have with your mother. But the fact remains that even if one parent IS a pillhead (whatever is meant by that–what kind of pills, anyway?) it doesn’t mean the other has done right. If this man had a domestic violence restraining order put on him by his previous wife, and/or was involved in kidnaping some other child of his in the past, that pretty much speaks for itself. I don’t know very many people who have found themselves needing to enact two abductions in two totally different situations.

SHE IS NOT MY MOTHER SHES NOT EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO BE MY MOTHER!!! IT DOESNT MATTER THE FACT THAT SHE IS MORE WORRIED ABOUT PLAYING ON THE COMPUTER THAN DOING WHATEVER SHE CAN WITH A LAWYER GOES TO SHOW A LOT SHE IS A VILE IMMATURE WOMAN WHO…… NO YOU KNOW WHAT NEVERMIND. jUST FORGET IT ITS NOT WORTH MY TIME

Frankie’s mother said all this? I find this rather compelling. Thank you for posting all that, justmeintn. As some brilliant person said earlier (April??), we still needed the mother’s point of view. And now we have it. Amba, I don’t know what issues you have with your mother. But the fact remains that even if one parent IS a pillhead (whatever is meant by that–what kind of pills, anyway?) it doesn’t mean the other has done right. If this man had a domestic violence restraining order put on him by his previous wife, and/or was involved in kidnaping some other child of his in the past, that pretty much speaks for itself. I don’t know very many people who have found themselves needing to enact two abductions in two totally different situations.

SHE IS NOT MY MOTHER SHES NOT EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO BE MY MOTHER!!! IT DOESNT MATTER THE FACT THAT SHE IS MORE WORRIED ABOUT PLAYING ON THE COMPUTER THAN DOING WHATEVER SHE CAN WITH A LAWYER GOES TO SHOW A LOT SHE IS A VILE IMMATURE WOMAN WHO…… NO YOU KNOW WHAT NEVERMIND. jUST FORGET IT ITS NOT WORTH MY TIME

OK, she may not be your mother but apparently you do have issues with her from what I’m reading.

Frankie’s mother said all this? I find this rather compelling. Thank you for posting all that, justmeintn. As some brilliant person said earlier (April??), we still needed the mother’s point of view. And now we have it. Amba, I don’t know what issues you have with your mother. But the fact remains that even if one parent IS a pillhead (whatever is meant by that–what kind of pills, anyway?) it doesn’t mean the other has done right. If this man had a domestic violence restraining order put on him by his previous wife, and/or was involved in kidnaping some other child of his in the past, that pretty much speaks for itself. I don’t know very many people who have found themselves needing to enact two abductions in two totally different situations.

SHE IS NOT MY MOTHER SHES NOT EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO BE MY MOTHER!!! IT DOESNT MATTER THE FACT THAT SHE IS MORE WORRIED ABOUT PLAYING ON THE COMPUTER THAN DOING WHATEVER SHE CAN WITH A LAWYER GOES TO SHOW A LOT SHE IS A VILE IMMATURE WOMAN WHO…… NO YOU KNOW WHAT NEVERMIND. jUST FORGET IT ITS NOT WORTH MY TIME

OK, she may not be your mother but apparently you do have issues with her from what I’m reading.

Just to let everyone know, Frank was returned by his dad to the family. Deputies talked him into surrendering. However, the dad has allegations of abuse by the mother, so Frank is in custody of Child Protective Services until this is all sorted out. Source: Macomb Daily (Michigan).

Just to let everyone know, Frank was returned by his dad to the family. Deputies talked him into surrendering. However, the dad has allegations of abuse by the mother, so Frank is in custody of Child Protective Services until this is all sorted out. Source: Macomb Daily (Michigan).

Thank the Lord he is ok.

Thank the Lord he is ok.

OK, she may not be your mother but apparently you do have issues with her from what I’m reading.

Yea what i have been telling you guys all along I hate how she acts like she is a great mom but my brother has no hope if he is left with her I am so scared for him and there is nothing I can do because I am so far away so yes I am just very angry with her my little brother doesnt deserve to have to go through all this.

OK, she may not be your mother but apparently you do have issues with her from what I’m reading.

Yea what i have been telling you guys all along I hate how she acts like she is a great mom but my brother has no hope if he is left with her I am so scared for him and there is nothing I can do because I am so far away so yes I am just very angry with her my little brother doesnt deserve to have to go through all this.

Yea what i have been telling you guys all along I hate how she acts like she is a great mom but my brother has no hope if he is left with her I am so scared for him and there is nothing I can do because I am so far away so yes I am just very angry with her my little brother doesnt deserve to have to go through all this.

I’ve been saying all along – You may need to step in and offer your services as guardian. Seems that he would be better of with you thank DCS. I’m not sure who is the more fucked up parent here. Your step mom and dad both have issues… I refuse to take on side over the other until mommy dearest shows up here (and she was invited). At this point, I am on little Frankie’s and your side. The law will find out which parent is right or wrong.

Yea what i have been telling you guys all along I hate how she acts like she is a great mom but my brother has no hope if he is left with her I am so scared for him and there is nothing I can do because I am so far away so yes I am just very angry with her my little brother doesnt deserve to have to go through all this.

I’ve been saying all along – You may need to step in and offer your services as guardian. Seems that he would be better of with you thank DCS. I’m not sure who is the more fucked up parent here. Your step mom and dad both have issues… I refuse to take on side over the other until mommy dearest shows up here (and she was invited). At this point, I am on little Frankie’s and your side. The law will find out which parent is right or wrong.

Yea what i have been telling you guys all along I hate how she acts like she is a great mom but my brother has no hope if he is left with her I am so scared for him and there is nothing I can do because I am so far away so yes I am just very angry with her my little brother doesnt deserve to have to go through all this.

Define great mom please. I believe every parent has flaws. What exactly does she do that makes her a bad parent?

Yea what i have been telling you guys all along I hate how she acts like she is a great mom but my brother has no hope if he is left with her I am so scared for him and there is nothing I can do because I am so far away so yes I am just very angry with her my little brother doesnt deserve to have to go through all this.

Define great mom please. I believe every parent has flaws. What exactly does she do that makes her a bad parent?

WELL I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT I WILL NO LONGER BE ON HERE. THEY WENT TO COURT TODAY AND I WILL NEVER GET TO SEE MY LITTLE BROTHER EVER AGAIN AND HIS MOTHER IS GETTING GREAT PLEASURE FROM THIS IF SHE DOES COME ON HERE THIS IS TO HER……………..

YOU HAVE COMPLETELY HURT THIS LITTLE BOY MORE THAN YOU KNOW ONCE AGAIN I WILL BE RIPPED OUT OF ONE OF MY SIBLINGS LIVES AND YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER LET ME NOR MY SISTER SEE HIM JUST OUT OF SPITE BECAUSE YOU HATE US OR JUST BECAUSE YOU HATE OUR FATHER. PLEASE DO NOT RUIN HIS LIFE HATE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT YOU KNOW EVERY LAST WORD THAT I WROTE ON THESE BLOGS IS TRUE AND I PRAY THAT GOD WILL STEP IN A SEE YOU ARE SERVED THE JUSTICE YOU DESERVE. GOOD BYE PLEASE TELL FRANKIE I LOVE HIM EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU WONT

WELL I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT I WILL NO LONGER BE ON HERE. THEY WENT TO COURT TODAY AND I WILL NEVER GET TO SEE MY LITTLE BROTHER EVER AGAIN AND HIS MOTHER IS GETTING GREAT PLEASURE FROM THIS IF SHE DOES COME ON HERE THIS IS TO HER……………..

YOU HAVE COMPLETELY HURT THIS LITTLE BOY MORE THAN YOU KNOW ONCE AGAIN I WILL BE RIPPED OUT OF ONE OF MY SIBLINGS LIVES AND YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER LET ME NOR MY SISTER SEE HIM JUST OUT OF SPITE BECAUSE YOU HATE US OR JUST BECAUSE YOU HATE OUR FATHER. PLEASE DO NOT RUIN HIS LIFE HATE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT YOU KNOW EVERY LAST WORD THAT I WROTE ON THESE BLOGS IS TRUE AND I PRAY THAT GOD WILL STEP IN A SEE YOU ARE SERVED THE JUSTICE YOU DESERVE. GOOD BYE PLEASE TELL FRANKIE I LOVE HIM EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU WONT

YOU HAVE COMPLETELY HURT THIS LITTLE BOY MORE THAN YOU KNOW ONCE AGAIN I WILL BE RIPPED OUT OF ONE OF MY SIBLINGS LIVES AND YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER LET ME NOR MY SISTER SEE HIM JUST OUT OF SPITE BECAUSE YOU HATE US OR JUST BECAUSE YOU HATE OUR FATHER. PLEASE DO NOT RUIN HIS LIFE HATE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT YOU KNOW EVERY LAST WORD THAT I WROTE ON THESE BLOGS IS TRUE AND I PRAY THAT GOD WILL STEP IN A SEE YOU ARE SERVED THE JUSTICE YOU DESERVE. GOOD BYE PLEASE TELL FRANKIE I LOVE HIM EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU WONT

If she is any kind of Mother at all…she won’t shut you out. I would NEVER deprive my children of love. And it sounds like you love him very much and would do anything you could for him. So I hope for his (lil Frankie’s) and your sake that she does come on here. Whatever is going on between his mother and father, needs to stay between them. I hope it works out for all of you and wish you the best. God Bless.

YOU HAVE COMPLETELY HURT THIS LITTLE BOY MORE THAN YOU KNOW ONCE AGAIN I WILL BE RIPPED OUT OF ONE OF MY SIBLINGS LIVES AND YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER LET ME NOR MY SISTER SEE HIM JUST OUT OF SPITE BECAUSE YOU HATE US OR JUST BECAUSE YOU HATE OUR FATHER. PLEASE DO NOT RUIN HIS LIFE HATE ME ALL YOU WANT BUT YOU KNOW EVERY LAST WORD THAT I WROTE ON THESE BLOGS IS TRUE AND I PRAY THAT GOD WILL STEP IN A SEE YOU ARE SERVED THE JUSTICE YOU DESERVE. GOOD BYE PLEASE TELL FRANKIE I LOVE HIM EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU WONT

If she is any kind of Mother at all…she won’t shut you out. I would NEVER deprive my children of love. And it sounds like you love him very much and would do anything you could for him. So I hope for his (lil Frankie’s) and your sake that she does come on here. Whatever is going on between his mother and father, needs to stay between them. I hope it works out for all of you and wish you the best. God Bless.

“If she is any kind of mother at all…”? By that qualification, there’s are an awful lot of non-mothers out there. So many women use their kids as pawns, it makes me absolutely ill. I hope Taylor Amber is wrong and that won’t be the case, here.

“If she is any kind of mother at all…”? By that qualification, there’s are an awful lot of non-mothers out there. So many women use their kids as pawns, it makes me absolutely ill. I hope Taylor Amber is wrong and that won’t be the case, here.

I am sorry take it for what you will but I do Not think that “Taylor Amber” would be a wise choice as a guardian.
I also think She knows this to be true as well which is why she said herself a few times she was not going to get him. If her temper on here Yes i know she is hurt but come on temper i temper and well we all have them but at some point you know who is against and who is not. We are not her enemies and even those who attempted to extend a “Olive branch” got the All caps screaming at them. Which Sorry shows me she has anger issues and also has a bit of maturity issues. Anyone know just how old she really is??
I mean She stated she owns a home. And is 20??
Yet she comes off sorry as someone totally different than that picture she painted. Sorry I have limited faith in folks that tell me one thing and paint me a totally different picture.

Either way even if 20 and 3even if she has a home She sure is not ready to raise a toddle.
Loving a sibling and raising a sibling is two totally different things. I am totally believing she loves her half brother. I am however certain this young woman is not capable of raising a toddler. i am glad she knew that too.

Now I do not not have a clue what is up with Mom but if in fact she got the baby back evidently there was limited evidence against her. i am sure CPS did a check on that home and met with Mom and with allegations of drugs she was tested for that as well you can bet that.
Too many eyes were on this case for it to be handled all willy nilly.

I am almost certain with Dad and Daughter both screaming and yelling that she is a crack head and pill head that they did a urine test and this only happened a day ago so all drugs would have been still in her system.
Yes i am assuming that there may have been no drugs found and that the home was just fine since they allowed her to take her baby and go home.

However on the other side of the court I am betting Dad’s Temper was proven. If you read back to the daughter who posted here stated basically that they had a limited relationship which would go with what the toddler’s Mom said regarding his temper and his not being allowed to be with the kids without supervision. As far as tempers go look at the daughters temper who posted here. Apples falling close to tree and all that.

Just saying while I understand this young woman’s sorrow at possibly not seeing her half brother again I am betting if she stops slamming the Mother and tries to offer the more mature front and contacts about coming for a visit or sends cards and letters as the child grows that they can work it out. i seriously would take a while before i would totally trust daughter or Dad if it was me but i would allow contact.

I would think that it would maybe be best to wait a bit though I mean you just finished calling her a crack head and her Dad went Nutso and put her through hell so maybe a cool off period than a letter would be good asking if she would allow contact between the siblings. i do not as i said see any visits away happening but keeping in touch and than when he is older allowing more is a good idea. i would never cut off one of my kids from their siblings. I am sure that this Mother as long as she was sure of her child’s safety would not do anything to tear apart family either.

Either way I am glad this baby is ok i checked on the status before heading to bed and added him to my prayers as i do all little ones in need each night.

I am sorry take it for what you will but I do Not think that “Taylor Amber” would be a wise choice as a guardian.
I also think She knows this to be true as well which is why she said herself a few times she was not going to get him. If her temper on here Yes i know she is hurt but come on temper i temper and well we all have them but at some point you know who is against and who is not. We are not her enemies and even those who attempted to extend a “Olive branch” got the All caps screaming at them. Which Sorry shows me she has anger issues and also has a bit of maturity issues. Anyone know just how old she really is??
I mean She stated she owns a home. And is 20??
Yet she comes off sorry as someone totally different than that picture she painted. Sorry I have limited faith in folks that tell me one thing and paint me a totally different picture.

Either way even if 20 and 3even if she has a home She sure is not ready to raise a toddle.
Loving a sibling and raising a sibling is two totally different things. I am totally believing she loves her half brother. I am however certain this young woman is not capable of raising a toddler. i am glad she knew that too.

Now I do not not have a clue what is up with Mom but if in fact she got the baby back evidently there was limited evidence against her. i am sure CPS did a check on that home and met with Mom and with allegations of drugs she was tested for that as well you can bet that.
Too many eyes were on this case for it to be handled all willy nilly.

I am almost certain with Dad and Daughter both screaming and yelling that she is a crack head and pill head that they did a urine test and this only happened a day ago so all drugs would have been still in her system.
Yes i am assuming that there may have been no drugs found and that the home was just fine since they allowed her to take her baby and go home.

However on the other side of the court I am betting Dad’s Temper was proven. If you read back to the daughter who posted here stated basically that they had a limited relationship which would go with what the toddler’s Mom said regarding his temper and his not being allowed to be with the kids without supervision. As far as tempers go look at the daughters temper who posted here. Apples falling close to tree and all that.

Just saying while I understand this young woman’s sorrow at possibly not seeing her half brother again I am betting if she stops slamming the Mother and tries to offer the more mature front and contacts about coming for a visit or sends cards and letters as the child grows that they can work it out. i seriously would take a while before i would totally trust daughter or Dad if it was me but i would allow contact.

I would think that it would maybe be best to wait a bit though I mean you just finished calling her a crack head and her Dad went Nutso and put her through hell so maybe a cool off period than a letter would be good asking if she would allow contact between the siblings. i do not as i said see any visits away happening but keeping in touch and than when he is older allowing more is a good idea. i would never cut off one of my kids from their siblings. I am sure that this Mother as long as she was sure of her child’s safety would not do anything to tear apart family either.

Either way I am glad this baby is ok i checked on the status before heading to bed and added him to my prayers as i do all little ones in need each night.

I am sorry take it for what you will but I do Not think that “Taylor Amber” would be a wise choice as a guardian.
I also think She knows this to be true as well which is why she said herself a few times she was not going to get him. If her temper on here Yes i know she is hurt but come on temper i temper and well we all have them but at some point you know who is against and who is not. We are not her enemies and even those who attempted to extend a “Olive branch” got the All caps screaming at them. Which Sorry shows me she has anger issues and also has a bit of maturity issues. Anyone know just how old she really is??
I mean She stated she owns a home. And is 20??
Yet she comes off sorry as someone totally different than that picture she painted. Sorry I have limited faith in folks that tell me one thing and paint me a totally different picture.

Either way even if 20 and 3even if she has a home She sure is not ready to raise a toddle.
Loving a sibling and raising a sibling is two totally different things. I am totally believing she loves her half brother. I am however certain this young woman is not capable of raising a toddler. i am glad she knew that too.

Now I do not not have a clue what is up with Mom but if in fact she got the baby back evidently there was limited evidence against her. i am sure CPS did a check on that home and met with Mom and with allegations of drugs she was tested for that as well you can bet that.
Too many eyes were on this case for it to be handled all willy nilly.

I am almost certain with Dad and Daughter both screaming and yelling that she is a crack head and pill head that they did a urine test and this only happened a day ago so all drugs would have been still in her system.
Yes i am assuming that there may have been no drugs found and that the home was just fine since they allowed her to take her baby and go home.

However on the other side of the court I am betting Dad’s Temper was proven. If you read back to the daughter who posted here stated basically that they had a limited relationship which would go with what the toddler’s Mom said regarding his temper and his not being allowed to be with the kids without supervision. As far as tempers go look at the daughters temper who posted here. Apples falling close to tree and all that.

Just saying while I understand this young woman’s sorrow at possibly not seeing her half brother again I am betting if she stops slamming the Mother and tries to offer the more mature front and contacts about coming for a visit or sends cards and letters as the child grows that they can work it out. i seriously would take a while before i would totally trust daughter or Dad if it was me but i would allow contact.

I would think that it would maybe be best to wait a bit though I mean you just finished calling her a crack head and her Dad went Nutso and put her through hell so maybe a cool off period than a letter would be good asking if she would allow contact between the siblings. i do not as i said see any visits away happening but keeping in touch and than when he is older allowing more is a good idea. i would never cut off one of my kids from their siblings. I am sure that this Mother as long as she was sure of her child’s safety would not do anything to tear apart family either.

Either way I am glad this baby is ok i checked on the status before heading to bed and added him to my prayers as i do all little ones in need each night.

I am almost certain with Dad and Daughter both screaming and yelling that she is a crack head and pill head that they did a urine test and this only happened a day ago so all drugs would have been still in her system.Yes i am assuming that there may have been no drugs found and that the home was just fine since they allowed her to take her baby and go home.

I hope the baby will be ok in the future.

“If she is any kind of mother at all…”? By that qualification, there’s are an awful lot of non-mothers out there. So many women use their kids as pawns, it makes me absolutely ill. I hope Taylor Amber is wrong and that won’t be the case, here.

You’re right…. I don’t know the mother, I wasn’t trying to put her down..that wasn’t the right way to put it, I apologize. I mean …. that as a mother I would want my children surrounded with all the love and support possible. So if they could find some common ground maybe she won’t shut her out completely, at least.

I am betting if she stops slamming the Mother and tries to offer the more mature front and contacts about coming for a visit or sends cards and letters as the child grows that they can work it out.

Exactly…if the mother is going to have custody and she wants to be a part of her brother’s life…she is going to have to make an effort to get along with the mother. And sometimes you have to swallow ur pride and make the first move. You do what you gotta do to get along, even if just for the baby’s sake. I know what it’s like to be kept from someone you love (my nephew when my brother and his ex were divorcing) and it is heartbreaking. Especially if u feel they aren’t in the safest environment. I really hope things work out for the best.

“If she is any kind of mother at all…”? By that qualification, there’s are an awful lot of non-mothers out there. So many women use their kids as pawns, it makes me absolutely ill. I hope Taylor Amber is wrong and that won’t be the case, here.

You’re right…. I don’t know the mother, I wasn’t trying to put her down..that wasn’t the right way to put it, I apologize. I mean …. that as a mother I would want my children surrounded with all the love and support possible. So if they could find some common ground maybe she won’t shut her out completely, at least.

I am betting if she stops slamming the Mother and tries to offer the more mature front and contacts about coming for a visit or sends cards and letters as the child grows that they can work it out.

Exactly…if the mother is going to have custody and she wants to be a part of her brother’s life…she is going to have to make an effort to get along with the mother. And sometimes you have to swallow ur pride and make the first move. You do what you gotta do to get along, even if just for the baby’s sake. I know what it’s like to be kept from someone you love (my nephew when my brother and his ex were divorcing) and it is heartbreaking. Especially if u feel they aren’t in the safest environment. I really hope things work out for the best.

Oh, thank God…so glad to hear he is alive and I hope well.

Oh, thank God…so glad to hear he is alive and I hope well.

I am sorry take it for what you will but I do Not think that “Taylor Amber” would be a wise choice as a guardian.I also think She knows this to be true as well which is why she said herself a few times she was not going to get him. If her temper on here Yes i know she is hurt but come on temper i temper and well we all have them but at some point you know who is against and who is not. We are not her enemies and even those who attempted to extend a “Olive branch” got the All caps screaming at them. Which Sorry shows me she has anger issues and also has a bit of maturity issues. Anyone know just how old she really is??I mean She stated she owns a home. And is 20??Yet she comes off sorry as someone totally different than that picture she painted. Sorry I have limited faith in folks that tell me one thing and paint me a totally different picture.

I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINIONS AS I HAVE SAID ON HERE ALL ALONG YES A FEW TIMES I GOT MAD BUT IT IS TO BE EXPECTED WOULDNT YOU WHEN PEOPLE ARE SOARLY MISTAKEN ABOUT THE SITUATION **** ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR THIS UP THE MOTHER DOESNT HAVE MY LITTL BROTHER HE WAS TURNED OVER TO FOSTER CARE YESTERDAY HE WAS NOT GIVEN BACK TO HER.***** CPS WILL NOT BE GIVING HIM BACK TO HER*** ALSO IM NOT SCREAMING BECAUSE MY LETTERS ARE IN ALL CAPS MY KEYBOARD HERE AT WORK IS BROKEN. HAD TO ORDER A NEW ONE YESTERDAY.
**** THE SITUATION WITH MY FATHER IS COMPLICATED HIM AND MY MOTHER (WHICH IS AN AWESOME WOMAN) WERE MARRIED FOR ALMOST TWENTY YEARS WHEN THEY DIVORCED ITS ALWAYS HARD ON THE KIDS AND I WAS A MOMMA’S GIRL SO I CHOSE TO LIVE WITH MY MOM. THATS WHY OUR RELATIONSHIP WAS LIMITED.

***** IF I SOUND IMMATURE THEN IM SORRY TO HEAR THAT AND ITS REALLY NOT THAT UNBELIEVEABLE TO THINK A 20 YEAR OLD HAS A HOUSE I ALSO WAS RECENTLY MARRIED ABOUT A MONTH AGO. I HAVE JUST CHOSE TO DO THINGS WITH MY LIFE THATS ALL.

**** ALSO NO I AM NOT READY TO RAISE A BABY I AM JUST STARTING OUT WITH MY CAREER AND MY MARRIAGE AND OWNING MY OWN HOME. BUT BELIEVE ME IF THERE WAS ANY WAY POSSIBLE FOR ME TO HAVE MY LITTLE BROTHER I WOULD TAKE HIM IN A HEART BEAT. LET ME EXPLAIN WHY ME NOR MY FATHER HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO HIM ACCORDING TO MICHIGAN LAW……… FRANKIE’S MOTHER IS MARRIED THE GUY SHE WAS MARRIED TO ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE LOCATED SO EVEN THOUGH MY DADS NAME IS ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE UNTIL FRANKIE’S MOTHER AND HER HUSBAND GET A DIVORCE MY LITTLE BROTHER IS BASICLY NOT MY LITTLE BROTHER (LEGALLY) SO THIS IS WHY THEY COULDNT HAND HIM OVER TO MY DAD YESTERDAY INSTEAD OF FOSTER CARE. HOPEFULLY I HAVE CLEARED SOME THINGS UP FOR EVERYONE ON HERE.

I am sorry take it for what you will but I do Not think that “Taylor Amber” would be a wise choice as a guardian.I also think She knows this to be true as well which is why she said herself a few times she was not going to get him. If her temper on here Yes i know she is hurt but come on temper i temper and well we all have them but at some point you know who is against and who is not. We are not her enemies and even those who attempted to extend a “Olive branch” got the All caps screaming at them. Which Sorry shows me she has anger issues and also has a bit of maturity issues. Anyone know just how old she really is??I mean She stated she owns a home. And is 20??Yet she comes off sorry as someone totally different than that picture she painted. Sorry I have limited faith in folks that tell me one thing and paint me a totally different picture.

I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINIONS AS I HAVE SAID ON HERE ALL ALONG YES A FEW TIMES I GOT MAD BUT IT IS TO BE EXPECTED WOULDNT YOU WHEN PEOPLE ARE SOARLY MISTAKEN ABOUT THE SITUATION **** ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR THIS UP THE MOTHER DOESNT HAVE MY LITTL BROTHER HE WAS TURNED OVER TO FOSTER CARE YESTERDAY HE WAS NOT GIVEN BACK TO HER.***** CPS WILL NOT BE GIVING HIM BACK TO HER*** ALSO IM NOT SCREAMING BECAUSE MY LETTERS ARE IN ALL CAPS MY KEYBOARD HERE AT WORK IS BROKEN. HAD TO ORDER A NEW ONE YESTERDAY.
**** THE SITUATION WITH MY FATHER IS COMPLICATED HIM AND MY MOTHER (WHICH IS AN AWESOME WOMAN) WERE MARRIED FOR ALMOST TWENTY YEARS WHEN THEY DIVORCED ITS ALWAYS HARD ON THE KIDS AND I WAS A MOMMA’S GIRL SO I CHOSE TO LIVE WITH MY MOM. THATS WHY OUR RELATIONSHIP WAS LIMITED.

***** IF I SOUND IMMATURE THEN IM SORRY TO HEAR THAT AND ITS REALLY NOT THAT UNBELIEVEABLE TO THINK A 20 YEAR OLD HAS A HOUSE I ALSO WAS RECENTLY MARRIED ABOUT A MONTH AGO. I HAVE JUST CHOSE TO DO THINGS WITH MY LIFE THATS ALL.

**** ALSO NO I AM NOT READY TO RAISE A BABY I AM JUST STARTING OUT WITH MY CAREER AND MY MARRIAGE AND OWNING MY OWN HOME. BUT BELIEVE ME IF THERE WAS ANY WAY POSSIBLE FOR ME TO HAVE MY LITTLE BROTHER I WOULD TAKE HIM IN A HEART BEAT. LET ME EXPLAIN WHY ME NOR MY FATHER HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO HIM ACCORDING TO MICHIGAN LAW……… FRANKIE’S MOTHER IS MARRIED THE GUY SHE WAS MARRIED TO ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE LOCATED SO EVEN THOUGH MY DADS NAME IS ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE UNTIL FRANKIE’S MOTHER AND HER HUSBAND GET A DIVORCE MY LITTLE BROTHER IS BASICLY NOT MY LITTLE BROTHER (LEGALLY) SO THIS IS WHY THEY COULDNT HAND HIM OVER TO MY DAD YESTERDAY INSTEAD OF FOSTER CARE. HOPEFULLY I HAVE CLEARED SOME THINGS UP FOR EVERYONE ON HERE.

I am sorry take it for what you will but I do Not think that “Taylor Amber” would be a wise choice as a guardian.I also think She knows this to be true as well which is why she said herself a few times she was not going to get him. If her temper on here Yes i know she is hurt but come on temper i temper and well we all have them but at some point you know who is against and who is not. We are not her enemies and even those who attempted to extend a “Olive branch” got the All caps screaming at them. Which Sorry shows me she has anger issues and also has a bit of maturity issues. Anyone know just how old she really is??I mean She stated she owns a home. And is 20??Yet she comes off sorry as someone totally different than that picture she painted. Sorry I have limited faith in folks that tell me one thing and paint me a totally different picture.

I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINIONS AS I HAVE SAID ON HERE ALL ALONG YES A FEW TIMES I GOT MAD BUT IT IS TO BE EXPECTED WOULDNT YOU WHEN PEOPLE ARE SOARLY MISTAKEN ABOUT THE SITUATION **** ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR THIS UP THE MOTHER DOESNT HAVE MY LITTL BROTHER HE WAS TURNED OVER TO FOSTER CARE YESTERDAY HE WAS NOT GIVEN BACK TO HER.***** CPS WILL NOT BE GIVING HIM BACK TO HER*** ALSO IM NOT SCREAMING BECAUSE MY LETTERS ARE IN ALL CAPS MY KEYBOARD HERE AT WORK IS BROKEN. HAD TO ORDER A NEW ONE YESTERDAY.
**** THE SITUATION WITH MY FATHER IS COMPLICATED HIM AND MY MOTHER (WHICH IS AN AWESOME WOMAN) WERE MARRIED FOR ALMOST TWENTY YEARS WHEN THEY DIVORCED ITS ALWAYS HARD ON THE KIDS AND I WAS A MOMMA’S GIRL SO I CHOSE TO LIVE WITH MY MOM. THATS WHY OUR RELATIONSHIP WAS LIMITED.

***** IF I SOUND IMMATURE THEN IM SORRY TO HEAR THAT AND ITS REALLY NOT THAT UNBELIEVEABLE TO THINK A 20 YEAR OLD HAS A HOUSE I ALSO WAS RECENTLY MARRIED ABOUT A MONTH AGO. I HAVE JUST CHOSE TO DO THINGS WITH MY LIFE THATS ALL.

**** ALSO NO I AM NOT READY TO RAISE A BABY I AM JUST STARTING OUT WITH MY CAREER AND MY MARRIAGE AND OWNING MY OWN HOME. BUT BELIEVE ME IF THERE WAS ANY WAY POSSIBLE FOR ME TO HAVE MY LITTLE BROTHER I WOULD TAKE HIM IN A HEART BEAT. LET ME EXPLAIN WHY ME NOR MY FATHER HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO HIM ACCORDING TO MICHIGAN LAW……… FRANKIE’S MOTHER IS MARRIED THE GUY SHE WAS MARRIED TO ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE LOCATED SO EVEN THOUGH MY DADS NAME IS ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE UNTIL FRANKIE’S MOTHER AND HER HUSBAND GET A DIVORCE MY LITTLE BROTHER IS BASICLY NOT MY LITTLE BROTHER (LEGALLY) SO THIS IS WHY THEY COULDNT HAND HIM OVER TO MY DAD YESTERDAY INSTEAD OF FOSTER CARE. HOPEFULLY I HAVE CLEARED SOME THINGS UP FOR EVERYONE ON HERE.

I am sorry take it for what you will but I do Not think that “Taylor Amber” would be a wise choice as a guardian.I also think She knows this to be true as well which is why she said herself a few times she was not going to get him. If her temper on here Yes i know she is hurt but come on temper i temper and well we all have them but at some point you know who is against and who is not. We are not her enemies and even those who attempted to extend a “Olive branch” got the All caps screaming at them. Which Sorry shows me she has anger issues and also has a bit of maturity issues. Anyone know just how old she really is??I mean She stated she owns a home. And is 20??Yet she comes off sorry as someone totally different than that picture she painted. Sorry I have limited faith in folks that tell me one thing and paint me a totally different picture.

I APPRECIATE YOUR OPINIONS AS I HAVE SAID ON HERE ALL ALONG YES A FEW TIMES I GOT MAD BUT IT IS TO BE EXPECTED WOULDNT YOU WHEN PEOPLE ARE SOARLY MISTAKEN ABOUT THE SITUATION **** ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR THIS UP THE MOTHER DOESNT HAVE MY LITTL BROTHER HE WAS TURNED OVER TO FOSTER CARE YESTERDAY HE WAS NOT GIVEN BACK TO HER.***** CPS WILL NOT BE GIVING HIM BACK TO HER*** ALSO IM NOT SCREAMING BECAUSE MY LETTERS ARE IN ALL CAPS MY KEYBOARD HERE AT WORK IS BROKEN. HAD TO ORDER A NEW ONE YESTERDAY.
**** THE SITUATION WITH MY FATHER IS COMPLICATED HIM AND MY MOTHER (WHICH IS AN AWESOME WOMAN) WERE MARRIED FOR ALMOST TWENTY YEARS WHEN THEY DIVORCED ITS ALWAYS HARD ON THE KIDS AND I WAS A MOMMA’S GIRL SO I CHOSE TO LIVE WITH MY MOM. THATS WHY OUR RELATIONSHIP WAS LIMITED.

***** IF I SOUND IMMATURE THEN IM SORRY TO HEAR THAT AND ITS REALLY NOT THAT UNBELIEVEABLE TO THINK A 20 YEAR OLD HAS A HOUSE I ALSO WAS RECENTLY MARRIED ABOUT A MONTH AGO. I HAVE JUST CHOSE TO DO THINGS WITH MY LIFE THATS ALL.

**** ALSO NO I AM NOT READY TO RAISE A BABY I AM JUST STARTING OUT WITH MY CAREER AND MY MARRIAGE AND OWNING MY OWN HOME. BUT BELIEVE ME IF THERE WAS ANY WAY POSSIBLE FOR ME TO HAVE MY LITTLE BROTHER I WOULD TAKE HIM IN A HEART BEAT. LET ME EXPLAIN WHY ME NOR MY FATHER HAVE ANY RIGHTS TO HIM ACCORDING TO MICHIGAN LAW……… FRANKIE’S MOTHER IS MARRIED THE GUY SHE WAS MARRIED TO ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE LOCATED SO EVEN THOUGH MY DADS NAME IS ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE UNTIL FRANKIE’S MOTHER AND HER HUSBAND GET A DIVORCE MY LITTLE BROTHER IS BASICLY NOT MY LITTLE BROTHER (LEGALLY) SO THIS IS WHY THEY COULDNT HAND HIM OVER TO MY DAD YESTERDAY INSTEAD OF FOSTER CARE. HOPEFULLY I HAVE CLEARED SOME THINGS UP FOR EVERYONE ON HERE.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS. Concern for his safety is.

They need to get to the bottom of the tangled “he said, she said” and make sure they do their best to keep that baby safe. And well they should.

Kudos to you for recognizing the challenges and limitations in your own life that would prevent you from doing right by a child. I hope little Frankie ends up in a healthy, loving environment, and soon.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS. Concern for his safety is.

They need to get to the bottom of the tangled “he said, she said” and make sure they do their best to keep that baby safe. And well they should.

Kudos to you for recognizing the challenges and limitations in your own life that would prevent you from doing right by a child. I hope little Frankie ends up in a healthy, loving environment, and soon.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS. Concern for his safety is.

They need to get to the bottom of the tangled “he said, she said” and make sure they do their best to keep that baby safe. And well they should.

Kudos to you for recognizing the challenges and limitations in your own life that would prevent you from doing right by a child. I hope little Frankie ends up in a healthy, loving environment, and soon.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS. Concern for his safety is.

I KNOW THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT BUT RUBY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY TOLD MY DAD EVEN WHEN HE SAID BUT I AM ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEY SAID WELL THAT CANT LEGALLY BE THE CASE AND MY DAD SAID LOOK IT UP MY NAME IS ON THERE HELL THE BABY EVEN HAS HIS LAST NAME. NOW IF HE WERE DOWN HERE IN KENTUCKY THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH BUT I GUESS UP THERE ITS NOT

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS. Concern for his safety is.

I KNOW THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT BUT RUBY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY TOLD MY DAD EVEN WHEN HE SAID BUT I AM ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEY SAID WELL THAT CANT LEGALLY BE THE CASE AND MY DAD SAID LOOK IT UP MY NAME IS ON THERE HELL THE BABY EVEN HAS HIS LAST NAME. NOW IF HE WERE DOWN HERE IN KENTUCKY THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH BUT I GUESS UP THERE ITS NOT

TaylorAmber:

1. Please stop typing in all caps.

2. People will say what they want about your father, regardless. If your family is so concerned about bad publicity, they should stop doing dumbshit things.
3. “You will never see your son again,” can most certainly be interpreted as a threat of violence against the child (not just a threat of permanent kidnapping). Rhetoric: Your Dad Is Doing It Wrong. It’s not surprising that readers have jumped to the conclusion that he might possibly be violent and a threat to his child.

TaylorAmber:

1. Please stop typing in all caps.

2. People will say what they want about your father, regardless. If your family is so concerned about bad publicity, they should stop doing dumbshit things.
3. “You will never see your son again,” can most certainly be interpreted as a threat of violence against the child (not just a threat of permanent kidnapping). Rhetoric: Your Dad Is Doing It Wrong. It’s not surprising that readers have jumped to the conclusion that he might possibly be violent and a threat to his child.

1. Please stop typing in all caps.

*** IF YOU HAD READ MY EARLIER MESSAGE YOU WILL SEE THAT I SAID ** MY KEYBOARD IS BROKEN. THANKS.

2. People will say what they want about your father, regardless. If your family is so concerned about bad publicity, they should stop doing dumbshit things.3. “You will never see your son again,” can most certainly be interpreted as a threat of violence against the child (not just a threat of permanent kidnapping). Rhetoric: Your Dad Is Doing It Wrong. It’s not surprising that readers have jumped to the conclusion that he might possibly be violent and a threat to his child.

*** I DONT REMEMBER EVER SAYING THAT (MY FAMILY) CARED ABOUT BAD PUBLICITY…………

*** I HAVE SAID FROM THE BEGINING THAT HE HAS DONE THIS ALL THE WRONG WAY. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE???
THANKS FOR YOUR OPINIONS/STATEMENTS

1. Please stop typing in all caps.

*** IF YOU HAD READ MY EARLIER MESSAGE YOU WILL SEE THAT I SAID ** MY KEYBOARD IS BROKEN. THANKS.

2. People will say what they want about your father, regardless. If your family is so concerned about bad publicity, they should stop doing dumbshit things.3. “You will never see your son again,” can most certainly be interpreted as a threat of violence against the child (not just a threat of permanent kidnapping). Rhetoric: Your Dad Is Doing It Wrong. It’s not surprising that readers have jumped to the conclusion that he might possibly be violent and a threat to his child.

*** I DONT REMEMBER EVER SAYING THAT (MY FAMILY) CARED ABOUT BAD PUBLICITY…………

*** I HAVE SAID FROM THE BEGINING THAT HE HAS DONE THIS ALL THE WRONG WAY. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE???
THANKS FOR YOUR OPINIONS/STATEMENTS

I never understand these women. Maybe they should consider their spouse’s history BEFORE getting knocked up instead of spouting off about the ‘scumbag’ after things don’t work out. Gee, my man has a prior history of abuse and kidnapping his kids, maybe I’ll rethink using a condom next time.

I never understand these women. Maybe they should consider their spouse’s history BEFORE getting knocked up instead of spouting off about the ‘scumbag’ after things don’t work out. Gee, my man has a prior history of abuse and kidnapping his kids, maybe I’ll rethink using a condom next time.

I never understand these women. Maybe they should consider their spouse’s history BEFORE getting knocked up instead of spouting off about the ‘scumbag’ after things don’t work out. Gee, my man has a prior history of abuse and kidnapping his kids, maybe I’ll rethink using a condom next time.

I never understand these women. Maybe they should consider their spouse’s history BEFORE getting knocked up instead of spouting off about the ’scumbag’ after things don’t work out. Gee, my man has a prior history of abuse and kidnapping his kids, maybe I’ll rethink using a condom next time.

I agree. Did Taylor Amber ever answer the questions on the prior incidents. I don’t think she did as I have read everything so I’m assuming it could be true.

I never understand these women. Maybe they should consider their spouse’s history BEFORE getting knocked up instead of spouting off about the ’scumbag’ after things don’t work out. Gee, my man has a prior history of abuse and kidnapping his kids, maybe I’ll rethink using a condom next time.

I agree. Did Taylor Amber ever answer the questions on the prior incidents. I don’t think she did as I have read everything so I’m assuming it could be true.

I agree. Did Taylor Amber ever answer the questions on the prior incidents. I don’t think she did as I have read everything so I’m assuming it could be true.

Well I got my new keyboard no more caps lol! No I never did answer any of those questions because that never happened he was late bringing my younger sister home and her mom flipped out and called the police. Thats the extint of it see not much to tell.

I agree. Did Taylor Amber ever answer the questions on the prior incidents. I don’t think she did as I have read everything so I’m assuming it could be true.

Well I got my new keyboard no more caps lol! No I never did answer any of those questions because that never happened he was late bringing my younger sister home and her mom flipped out and called the police. Thats the extint of it see not much to tell.

I agree. Did Taylor Amber ever answer the questions on the prior incidents. I don’t think she did as I have read everything so I’m assuming it could be true.

Well I got my new keyboard no more caps lol! No I never did answer any of those questions because that never happened he was late bringing my younger sister home and her mom flipped out and called the police. Thats the extint of it see not much to tell.

I agree. Did Taylor Amber ever answer the questions on the prior incidents. I don’t think she did as I have read everything so I’m assuming it could be true.

Well I got my new keyboard no more caps lol! No I never did answer any of those questions because that never happened he was late bringing my younger sister home and her mom flipped out and called the police. Thats the extint of it see not much to tell.

Taylor Amber,

Can I ask a question about your family makeup? I know you said you’re 20 and he’s your dad and you chose to live with your mom.

You said that the baby in this incident is your dad’s son by a woman you used to be close to but now have issues with.

And you mentioned a little sister who your dad brought home late and “her mom flipped out.”

How many kids are there? How old? Do you have any full siblings, and did you grow up living with any of them?

I’m just trying to wrap my head around the family dynamic. Thanks, if you’re willing to answer.

Taylor Amber,

Can I ask a question about your family makeup? I know you said you’re 20 and he’s your dad and you chose to live with your mom.

You said that the baby in this incident is your dad’s son by a woman you used to be close to but now have issues with.

And you mentioned a little sister who your dad brought home late and “her mom flipped out.”

How many kids are there? How old? Do you have any full siblings, and did you grow up living with any of them?

I’m just trying to wrap my head around the family dynamic. Thanks, if you’re willing to answer.

Can I ask a question about your family makeup? I know you said you’re 20 and he’s your dad and you chose to live with your mom.

My parents got a divorce when I was seven and yes I have a full sister who is six years older than me. She is my fathers oldest daughter (26). And yes I grew up with her we are best friends.
A couple years after my parents divorced my dad got re married by that time I was ten my father then had a child with my ex stepmom. That is my younger sister who is now ten when she was three when he accidently brought her home late. Then about 2-3 years later my dad met frankie’s ( my little brother) mom and about a year and a half ago they had frankie. So in total there are 3 girls and 1 boy. When my dad first met the mom (we will call her that I dont want to give out her name) I loved her because they used to make eachother so happy but then they started to fight all the time and a lot of times me trying to please her and my father I would get caught in the middle of all there fights until one day i just diatanced myself from them. And me and the mom started to drift apart. And there have been tons of things happen since then too many to tell.

Can I ask a question about your family makeup? I know you said you’re 20 and he’s your dad and you chose to live with your mom.

My parents got a divorce when I was seven and yes I have a full sister who is six years older than me. She is my fathers oldest daughter (26). And yes I grew up with her we are best friends.
A couple years after my parents divorced my dad got re married by that time I was ten my father then had a child with my ex stepmom. That is my younger sister who is now ten when she was three when he accidently brought her home late. Then about 2-3 years later my dad met frankie’s ( my little brother) mom and about a year and a half ago they had frankie. So in total there are 3 girls and 1 boy. When my dad first met the mom (we will call her that I dont want to give out her name) I loved her because they used to make eachother so happy but then they started to fight all the time and a lot of times me trying to please her and my father I would get caught in the middle of all there fights until one day i just diatanced myself from them. And me and the mom started to drift apart. And there have been tons of things happen since then too many to tell.

Can I ask a question about your family makeup? I know you said you’re 20 and he’s your dad and you chose to live with your mom.

My parents got a divorce when I was seven and yes I have a full sister who is six years older than me. She is my fathers oldest daughter (26). And yes I grew up with her we are best friends.
A couple years after my parents divorced my dad got re married by that time I was ten my father then had a child with my ex stepmom. That is my younger sister who is now ten when she was three when he accidently brought her home late. Then about 2-3 years later my dad met frankie’s ( my little brother) mom and about a year and a half ago they had frankie. So in total there are 3 girls and 1 boy. When my dad first met the mom (we will call her that I dont want to give out her name) I loved her because they used to make eachother so happy but then they started to fight all the time and a lot of times me trying to please her and my father I would get caught in the middle of all there fights until one day i just diatanced myself from them. And me and the mom started to drift apart. And there have been tons of things happen since then too many to tell.

Can I ask a question about your family makeup? I know you said you’re 20 and he’s your dad and you chose to live with your mom.

My parents got a divorce when I was seven and yes I have a full sister who is six years older than me. She is my fathers oldest daughter (26). And yes I grew up with her we are best friends.
A couple years after my parents divorced my dad got re married by that time I was ten my father then had a child with my ex stepmom. That is my younger sister who is now ten when she was three when he accidently brought her home late. Then about 2-3 years later my dad met frankie’s ( my little brother) mom and about a year and a half ago they had frankie. So in total there are 3 girls and 1 boy. When my dad first met the mom (we will call her that I dont want to give out her name) I loved her because they used to make eachother so happy but then they started to fight all the time and a lot of times me trying to please her and my father I would get caught in the middle of all there fights until one day i just diatanced myself from them. And me and the mom started to drift apart. And there have been tons of things happen since then too many to tell.

Taylor Amber – You are sweet to come here and answer questions even though you owe us nothing. Thank you.

Taylor Amber – You are sweet to come here and answer questions even though you owe us nothing. Thank you.

Taylor Amber – You are sweet to come here and answer questions even though you owe us nothing. Thank you.

Taylor Amber – You are sweet to come here and answer questions even though you owe us nothing. Thank you.

Well my dad is back here with me now and he would like to say something.

Yes sorry I am mistaken about her being a pill head she actually admitted in court yesterday that she doesnt do pills that she is addicted to smoking crack/cocaine. She traveled 7 days a week four times a day to detroit for her crack habit and left me with the baby with no phone no food no money and no transportation. And to top it all off after cutting me with a knife three times on the day i left with frankie. Michigan saw fit to give her a PPO against me. So thankfully my son will at least be safe away from her since i cannot have him.

Well my dad is back here with me now and he would like to say something.

Yes sorry I am mistaken about her being a pill head she actually admitted in court yesterday that she doesnt do pills that she is addicted to smoking crack/cocaine. She traveled 7 days a week four times a day to detroit for her crack habit and left me with the baby with no phone no food no money and no transportation. And to top it all off after cutting me with a knife three times on the day i left with frankie. Michigan saw fit to give her a PPO against me. So thankfully my son will at least be safe away from her since i cannot have him.

Well my dad is back here with me now and he would like to say something.

Yes sorry I am mistaken about her being a pill head she actually admitted in court yesterday that she doesnt do pills that she is addicted to smoking crack/cocaine. She traveled 7 days a week four times a day to detroit for her crack habit and left me with the baby with no phone no food no money and no transportation. And to top it all off after cutting me with a knife three times on the day i left with frankie. Michigan saw fit to give her a PPO against me. So thankfully my son will at least be safe away from her since i cannot have him.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS.

I’m a paralegal (NOT a lawyer) who just took the national paralegal certification exam (and passed – yay me!) and this subject jogged my memory about something that was on the exam. In some states, if the mother is married to someone else at the time the child is born, then her legal husband is considered to be the child’s father (even if he isn’t) until a court orders testing and determines that someone else is actually the father.

So I did a little research and got this from the Michigan Family Independence Agency’s pamphlet, “What Every Parent Should Know About Establishing Paternity” – http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FIA-PUB-0780_71477_7.pdf

“How is legal paternity established? If the mother is married when she became pregnant, or when the child is born, her husband is considered by law to be the father unless a court has determined that the husband is not the father.”

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the legal husband is the father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS.

I’m a paralegal (NOT a lawyer) who just took the national paralegal certification exam (and passed – yay me!) and this subject jogged my memory about something that was on the exam. In some states, if the mother is married to someone else at the time the child is born, then her legal husband is considered to be the child’s father (even if he isn’t) until a court orders testing and determines that someone else is actually the father.

So I did a little research and got this from the Michigan Family Independence Agency’s pamphlet, “What Every Parent Should Know About Establishing Paternity” – http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FIA-PUB-0780_71477_7.pdf

“How is legal paternity established? If the mother is married when she became pregnant, or when the child is born, her husband is considered by law to be the father unless a court has determined that the husband is not the father.”

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the legal husband is the father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS.

I’m a paralegal (NOT a lawyer) who just took the national paralegal certification exam (and passed – yay me!) and this subject jogged my memory about something that was on the exam. In some states, if the mother is married to someone else at the time the child is born, then her legal husband is considered to be the child’s father (even if he isn’t) until a court orders testing and determines that someone else is actually the father.

So I did a little research and got this from the Michigan Family Independence Agency’s pamphlet, “What Every Parent Should Know About Establishing Paternity” – http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FIA-PUB-0780_71477_7.pdf

“How is legal paternity established? If the mother is married when she became pregnant, or when the child is born, her husband is considered by law to be the father unless a court has determined that the husband is not the father.”

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the legal husband is the father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS.

I’m a paralegal (NOT a lawyer) who just took the national paralegal certification exam (and passed – yay me!) and this subject jogged my memory about something that was on the exam. In some states, if the mother is married to someone else at the time the child is born, then her legal husband is considered to be the child’s father (even if he isn’t) until a court orders testing and determines that someone else is actually the father.

So I did a little research and got this from the Michigan Family Independence Agency’s pamphlet, “What Every Parent Should Know About Establishing Paternity” – http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FIA-PUB-0780_71477_7.pdf

“How is legal paternity established? If the mother is married when she became pregnant, or when the child is born, her husband is considered by law to be the father unless a court has determined that the husband is not the father.”

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the legal husband is the father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS.

I’m a paralegal (NOT a lawyer) who just took the national paralegal certification exam (and passed – yay me!) and this subject jogged my memory about something that was on the exam. In some states, if the mother is married to someone else at the time the child is born, then her legal husband is considered to be the child’s father (even if he isn’t) until a court orders testing and determines that someone else is actually the father.

So I did a little research and got this from the Michigan Family Independence Agency’s pamphlet, “What Every Parent Should Know About Establishing Paternity” – http://www.michigan.gov/documents/FIA-PUB-0780_71477_7.pdf

“How is legal paternity established? If the mother is married when she became pregnant, or when the child is born, her husband is considered by law to be the father unless a court has determined that the husband is not the father.”

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the mother’s legal husband is considered the child’s father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS.

I’m a paralegal (NOT a lawyer) who just took the national paralegal certification exam (and passed – yay me!) and this subject jogged my memory about something that was on the exam. In some states, if the mother is married to someone else at the time the child is born, then her legal husband is considered to be the child’s father (even if he isn’t) until a court orders testing and determines that someone else is actually the father.

So I did a little research and got this from the Michigan Family Independence Agency’s pamphlet, “What Every Parent Should Know About Establishing Paternity” – which can be found on the michigan.gov website:

“How is legal paternity established? If the mother is married when she became pregnant, or when the child is born, her husband is considered by law to be the father unless a court has determined that the husband is not the father.”

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the mother’s legal husband is considered the child’s father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS.

I’m a paralegal (NOT a lawyer) who just took the national paralegal certification exam (and passed – yay me!) and this subject jogged my memory about something that was on the exam. In some states, if the mother is married to someone else at the time the child is born, then her legal husband is considered to be the child’s father (even if he isn’t) until a court orders testing and determines that someone else is actually the father.

So I did a little research and got this from the Michigan Family Independence Agency’s pamphlet, “What Every Parent Should Know About Establishing Paternity” – which can be found on the michigan.gov website:

“How is legal paternity established? If the mother is married when she became pregnant, or when the child is born, her husband is considered by law to be the father unless a court has determined that the husband is not the father.”

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the mother’s legal husband is considered the child’s father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS.

I’m a paralegal (NOT a lawyer) who just took the national paralegal certification exam (and passed – yay me!) and this subject jogged my memory about something that was on the exam. In some states, if the mother is married to someone else at the time the child is born, then her legal husband is considered to be the child’s father (even if he isn’t) until a court orders testing and determines that someone else is actually the father.

So I did a little research and got this from the Michigan Family Independence Agency’s pamphlet, “What Every Parent Should Know About Establishing Paternity” – which can be found on the michigan.gov website:

“How is legal paternity established? If the mother is married when she became pregnant, or when the child is born, her husband is considered by law to be the father unless a court has determined that the husband is not the father.”

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the mother’s legal husband is considered the child’s father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

I’m sorry Amba, but it doesn’t matter if the woman is still legally married to someone else. If your dad is on the birth certificate and has been the live-in parent, he would have parental rights. The technicality of the old marriage can prevent her from remarrying, but it is certainly NOT what is keeping your brother in the hands of CPS.

I’m a paralegal (NOT a lawyer) who just took the national paralegal certification exam (and passed – yay me!) and this subject jogged my memory about something that was on the exam. In some states, if the mother is married to someone else at the time the child is born, then her legal husband is considered to be the child’s father (even if he isn’t) until a court orders testing and determines that someone else is actually the father.

So I did a little research and got this from the Michigan Family Independence Agency’s pamphlet, “What Every Parent Should Know About Establishing Paternity” – which can be found on the michigan.gov website:

“How is legal paternity established? If the mother is married when she became pregnant, or when the child is born, her husband is considered by law to be the father unless a court has determined that the husband is not the father.”

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the mother’s legal husband is considered the child’s father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

Taylor Amber – You are sweet to come here and answer questions even though you owe us nothing. Thank you.

I agree and really appreciate both you and your dad coming on here to give us your sides of the story. I dislike jumping to conclusions and would rather hear all the facts. I wish the very best for little Frankie (he is so adorable!) and your family.

Taylor Amber – You are sweet to come here and answer questions even though you owe us nothing. Thank you.

I agree and really appreciate both you and your dad coming on here to give us your sides of the story. I dislike jumping to conclusions and would rather hear all the facts. I wish the very best for little Frankie (he is so adorable!) and your family.

Taylor Amber – You are sweet to come here and answer questions even though you owe us nothing. Thank you.

I agree and really appreciate both you and your dad coming on here to give us your sides of the story. I dislike jumping to conclusions and would rather hear all the facts. I wish the very best for little Frankie (he is so adorable!) and your family.

I KNOW THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT BUT RUBY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY TOLD MY DAD EVEN WHEN HE SAID BUT I AM ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEY SAID WELL THAT CANT LEGALLY BE THE CASE AND MY DAD SAID LOOK IT UP MY NAME IS ON THERE HELL THE BABY EVEN HAS HIS LAST NAME. NOW IF HE WERE DOWN HERE IN KENTUCKY THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH BUT I GUESS UP THERE ITS NOT

Taylor Amber is correct. If a woman is married, legally the “father” is her husband (perhaps only in Michigan). Regardless of who is one the birth certificate, who “claims” to be the father, or even if there could be three or four possible fathers. The husband of the baby’s mother is always legally the “father”. In order to clear up the mess, DNA testing, sworn statesments, and court proceedings must be conducted, a lengthy process.

When a child is born, anyone can sign paternity papers, once signed, that persons name will be reflected on the birth certificate. However, the law concerning the husband of the mother being the “legal father”, supercedes the actually paternity papers and birth certificate.

Obviously this is a possibility in this case. I am not sure about other states, and it seems like an old school law, but that is the way it is, at least in Michigan.

I KNOW THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT BUT RUBY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY TOLD MY DAD EVEN WHEN HE SAID BUT I AM ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEY SAID WELL THAT CANT LEGALLY BE THE CASE AND MY DAD SAID LOOK IT UP MY NAME IS ON THERE HELL THE BABY EVEN HAS HIS LAST NAME. NOW IF HE WERE DOWN HERE IN KENTUCKY THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH BUT I GUESS UP THERE ITS NOT

Taylor Amber is correct. If a woman is married, legally the “father” is her husband (perhaps only in Michigan). Regardless of who is one the birth certificate, who “claims” to be the father, or even if there could be three or four possible fathers. The husband of the baby’s mother is always legally the “father”. In order to clear up the mess, DNA testing, sworn statesments, and court proceedings must be conducted, a lengthy process.

When a child is born, anyone can sign paternity papers, once signed, that persons name will be reflected on the birth certificate. However, the law concerning the husband of the mother being the “legal father”, supercedes the actually paternity papers and birth certificate.

Obviously this is a possibility in this case. I am not sure about other states, and it seems like an old school law, but that is the way it is, at least in Michigan.

I KNOW THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT BUT RUBY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY TOLD MY DAD EVEN WHEN HE SAID BUT I AM ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEY SAID WELL THAT CANT LEGALLY BE THE CASE AND MY DAD SAID LOOK IT UP MY NAME IS ON THERE HELL THE BABY EVEN HAS HIS LAST NAME. NOW IF HE WERE DOWN HERE IN KENTUCKY THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH BUT I GUESS UP THERE ITS NOT

Taylor Amber is correct. If a woman is married, legally the “father” is her husband (perhaps only in Michigan). Regardless of who is one the birth certificate, who “claims” to be the father, or even if there could be three or four possible fathers. The husband of the baby’s mother is always legally the “father”. In order to clear up the mess, DNA testing, sworn statesments, and court proceedings must be conducted, a lengthy process.

When a child is born, anyone can sign paternity papers, once signed, that persons name will be reflected on the birth certificate. However, the law concerning the husband of the mother being the “legal father”, supercedes the actually paternity papers and birth certificate.

Obviously this is a possibility in this case. I am not sure about other states, and it seems like an old school law, but that is the way it is, at least in Michigan.

I KNOW THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT BUT RUBY THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY TOLD MY DAD EVEN WHEN HE SAID BUT I AM ON THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEY SAID WELL THAT CANT LEGALLY BE THE CASE AND MY DAD SAID LOOK IT UP MY NAME IS ON THERE HELL THE BABY EVEN HAS HIS LAST NAME. NOW IF HE WERE DOWN HERE IN KENTUCKY THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH BUT I GUESS UP THERE ITS NOT

Taylor Amber is correct. If a woman is married, legally the “father” is her husband (perhaps only in Michigan). Regardless of who is one the birth certificate, who “claims” to be the father, or even if there could be three or four possible fathers. The husband of the baby’s mother is always legally the “father”. In order to clear up the mess, DNA testing, sworn statesments, and court proceedings must be conducted, a lengthy process.

When a child is born, anyone can sign paternity papers, once signed, that persons name will be reflected on the birth certificate. However, the law concerning the husband of the mother being the “legal father”, supercedes the actually paternity papers and birth certificate.

Obviously this is a possibility in this case. I am not sure about other states, and it seems like an old school law, but that is the way it is, at least in Michigan.

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the mother’s legal husband is considered the child’s father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

Damn, I was a little late with my last post (should have read them all first), thanks wildheart you said it better than I could….it is true in Michigan at least.

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the mother’s legal husband is considered the child’s father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

Damn, I was a little late with my last post (should have read them all first), thanks wildheart you said it better than I could….it is true in Michigan at least.

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the mother’s legal husband is considered the child’s father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

Damn, I was a little late with my last post (should have read them all first), thanks wildheart you said it better than I could….it is true in Michigan at least.

Apparently Michigan is one of those states where the mother’s legal husband is considered the child’s father until proven otherwise. That sucks for Taylor Amber’s dad – he should definitely seek legal advice from a good lawyer.

Damn, I was a little late with my last post (should have read them all first), thanks wildheart you said it better than I could….it is true in Michigan at least.

Whoa. I am stunned, really. I cannot conceive that Michigan’s paternity law is so outdated and ineffective. Thank you Komak and Wildheart for offering more information. Thank you Taylor Amber for sticking it out with us, and Frank for giving us still more info. I appreciate the time everyone has taken. I stand corrected.

(and that kind of sucks)

Whoa. I am stunned, really. I cannot conceive that Michigan’s paternity law is so outdated and ineffective. Thank you Komak and Wildheart for offering more information. Thank you Taylor Amber for sticking it out with us, and Frank for giving us still more info. I appreciate the time everyone has taken. I stand corrected.

(and that kind of sucks)

Whoa. I am stunned, really. I cannot conceive that Michigan’s paternity law is so outdated and ineffective. Thank you Komak and Wildheart for offering more information. Thank you Taylor Amber for sticking it out with us, and Frank for giving us still more info. I appreciate the time everyone has taken. I stand corrected.

(and that kind of sucks)

Thank the Father in heaven the little one is safe. They can sort out all the other stuff in court. Frankies safety is paramount here……

Thank the Father in heaven the little one is safe. They can sort out all the other stuff in court. Frankies safety is paramount here……

Whoa. I am stunned, really. I cannot conceive that Michigan’s paternity law is so outdated and ineffective.

I did a little more digging because I was curious if any other states have a paternity law similar to Michigan’s. What I found was that a lot of other states have the SAME law….including Nevada, Arkansas, Hawaii, Arizona (my state – who knew?), Kansas, Alaska, New York, Florida, Kentucky, Minnesota and Colorado. It does seem rather outdated as Ruby noted.

Frankies safety is paramount here……

That says it all Peeperann! Love your new avatar btw

Whoa. I am stunned, really. I cannot conceive that Michigan’s paternity law is so outdated and ineffective.

I did a little more digging because I was curious if any other states have a paternity law similar to Michigan’s. What I found was that a lot of other states have the SAME law….including Nevada, Arkansas, Hawaii, Arizona (my state – who knew?), Kansas, Alaska, New York, Florida, Kentucky, Minnesota and Colorado. It does seem rather outdated as Ruby noted.

Frankies safety is paramount here……

That says it all Peeperann! Love your new avatar btw

I did a little more digging because I was curious if any other states have a paternity law similar to Michigan’s. What I found was that a lot of other states have the SAME law….including Nevada, Arkansas, Hawaii, Arizona (my state – who knew?), Kansas, Alaska, New York, Florida, Kentucky, Minnesota and Colorado. It does seem rather outdated as Ruby noted.

Nice Wildheart…thanks for the research…..It IS outdated….for whatever reason, they have not revised that law…..

If the rule of family court….CPS….and other groups IS that a child should be with his/her biological parents..regardless of the cost…..(including and not limited to even the death of the child…at the hands of the BIO….we ALL know that the child returns to the abusive BIOLOGICAL parent in most cases)….that said….

ahem….yet in this type of situation……it seems not to matter who the actual bio father is……they place…….immediately and without thought …. that label on dear hubby……regardless of his absence…..parenthood ability….or bond with the child……….or blood.

This law needs to be changed……IMMEDIATELY…..where do I write, type, email, protest…….express myself?

I did a little more digging because I was curious if any other states have a paternity law similar to Michigan’s. What I found was that a lot of other states have the SAME law….including Nevada, Arkansas, Hawaii, Arizona (my state – who knew?), Kansas, Alaska, New York, Florida, Kentucky, Minnesota and Colorado. It does seem rather outdated as Ruby noted.

Nice Wildheart…thanks for the research…..It IS outdated….for whatever reason, they have not revised that law…..

If the rule of family court….CPS….and other groups IS that a child should be with his/her biological parents..regardless of the cost…..(including and not limited to even the death of the child…at the hands of the BIO….we ALL know that the child returns to the abusive BIOLOGICAL parent in most cases)….that said….

ahem….yet in this type of situation……it seems not to matter who the actual bio father is……they place…….immediately and without thought …. that label on dear hubby……regardless of his absence…..parenthood ability….or bond with the child……….or blood.

This law needs to be changed……IMMEDIATELY…..where do I write, type, email, protest…….express myself?

This law needs to be changed……IMMEDIATELY…..where do I write, type, email, protest…….express myself?

No kidding! In this day and age this needs to be updated.

In MA if a spouse is “absent” and the other wants a divorce, a legal notice is placed in the newspaper (the Courts tell you which paper to put it in based on the missing spouse’s last known address) and you can be granted a divorce if the party does not appear in Court on the appointed date.

This law needs to be changed……IMMEDIATELY…..where do I write, type, email, protest…….express myself?

No kidding! In this day and age this needs to be updated.

In MA if a spouse is “absent” and the other wants a divorce, a legal notice is placed in the newspaper (the Courts tell you which paper to put it in based on the missing spouse’s last known address) and you can be granted a divorce if the party does not appear in Court on the appointed date.

This law needs to be changed……IMMEDIATELY…..where do I write, type, email, protest…….express myself?

No kidding! In this day and age this needs to be updated.

In MA if a spouse is “absent” and the other wants a divorce, a legal notice is placed in the newspaper (the Courts tell you which paper to put it in based on the missing spouse’s last known address) and you can be granted a divorce if the party does not appear in Court on the appointed date.

This law needs to be changed……IMMEDIATELY…..where do I write, type, email, protest…….express myself?

No kidding! In this day and age this needs to be updated.

In MA if a spouse is “absent” and the other wants a divorce, a legal notice is placed in the newspaper (the Courts tell you which paper to put it in based on the missing spouse’s last known address) and you can be granted a divorce if the party does not appear in Court on the appointed date.

This law needs to be changed……IMMEDIATELY…..where do I write, type, email, protest…….express myself?

No kidding! In this day and age this needs to be updated.

In MA if a spouse is “absent” and the other wants a divorce, a legal notice is placed in the newspaper (the Courts tell you which paper to put it in based on the missing spouse’s last known address) and you can be granted a divorce if the party does not appear in Court on the appointed date.