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Alicia Hartner Controls the Minds of Men

August 6, 2008 by impqueen · 612 Comments
Filed under: Arson, Assault, Murder, Shooting, Stabbing 

UPDATE 12/23/08 - FreePhil was RIGHT!    Yes, denizens, it’s true.  The family members of Phillip Morris, Mike Wellwood and Alicia Hartner have much to be happy about for Christmas.  The murder charges against Phil, Mike and Alicia (!) have been dropped.  It appears that I, your loyal ImpQueen, was WRONG.  W-R-O-N-G WRONG.   So what next?  Is Doyle Palmer to blame for the murders of Dennis Langley and Jack Mascow, or will their killers ever be found?  I don’t know.  All I know is that this is one story I’m happy to revise.  Happy Holidays, FreePhil! More details after the jump.

Mike WellwoodAlicia Hartner, Dreamin' DemonPhillip Morris

Mike Wellwood, Alicia Hartner, Phillip Morris

Riverview, MI, March 6, 2008 — Somebody tell me why a guy named Phillip Morris needs to jack cigarettes, ’cause I just don’t get that. Alicia Hartner, 18, is accused of being the ringleader of a bizarre little threesome consisting of herself, her live-in boyfriend Mike Wellwood, 19, and her sort of boyfriend Phillip Morris, 22. The trio is charged with the murders of Dennis Langley and Jack Mascow, both 62, last week.

Alicia Hartner and her men are high-school rejects working menial jobs. The victims, Langley and Mascow, owned a vending company that distributed cigarettes. Dennis Langley had been the only father figure Alicia Hartner ever knew, supporting Alicia and her mother financially for a number of years. Although Langley and Alicia’s mother never married, he continued to funnel cash their way even after the breakup. Langley was generous to fault and kept large amounts of cigarette stock and cash in the house, which he shared with his business partner Jack Mascow.

The robbery was supposed to go down as planned last Wednesday night: break in, kill Dennis Langley, steal his stuff and his cash, leave. Mascow was not expected to be there, but when he surprised the stoned trio they stabbed, beat and shot him. Then they went into garage, where they stabbed Langley in the skull and liver. After stealing about two grand in cash and a bunch of smokes, the young murderers torched the garage and left in Langley’s white work van, which they also set aflame a few blocks away. Because they’re smart criminals like that.

Firefighters found Mascow’s body upstairs while fighting house fire at about 11:30 p.m Wednesday. On Thursday, police officers went back to the house and found Langley in the garage. After getting over 100 telephone tips, Alicia Hartner was fingered as the bad girl and arrested on Friday. The bozo boys were arrested on Saturday. Even Hartner’s mother has been questioned in this case, although she has not been charged at this point.

Let’s just get these felons’ Myspaces out there, shall we? Alicia Hartner’s is here and is definitely the most entertaining of the bunch. She has pics of her pipe and her friends and her friend’s five year old son pretending to down multiple fifths of liquor. That’s hawt. Interestingly, although she lived with Mike Wellwood, his Myspace is much lower-key with few details and almost no friends. And here’s Phillip Morris, who is kind enough to have wonderful pics of high Alicia, high Mike, and high himself. In not a single picture is he sober. (and thanks Amber for Phil’s link!)

All three killers were in court on Tuesday for arraignment on two counts of felony murder, two counts of first-degree murder, one count of conspiracy to commit murder, one count of first-degree home invasion, one count of arson and one count of felony use of a firearm. All three pleaded not guilty, and Wellwood and Morris cried like tlittle bitches.   Hartner showed little emotion and told a judge she needed to get out because she “had a job interview.” Um, that murder thing might make it hard to get that Taco Bell gig, Alicia.

UPDATE 4/30/08 - Alicia Hartner, Mike Wellwood and Phillip “Free Phil” Morris were in court Tuesday for preliminary hearings. Testimony was contradictory on Alicia. Detective Scott Galeski said that “Ms. Hartner was more concerned about her well-being. Her reaction was blank.” But a prisoner in the cell next to Alicia’s refuted that, saying that Alicia cried and insisted she was innocent. Previous witness statements have indicated, though, that Alicia copped to the whole murder, so that remains up in the air.

Witness Joseph Vella, who was tesitfying to get out of drug charges, said that Hartner and Wellwood told him about their plan to rob Dennis Langley prior to the act. Then again, he said, they also told him they were gonna roll a homeless guy for pot to pay their rent, so he didn’t take them seriously.

Not a great deal was reportedly said about Phillip Morris. It’ll be very interesting to see what happens on Thursday afternoon, when Judge Randy Kalmbach is set to rule on whether the trio should be bound over for trial. Will Free Phil be freed? I don’t know, but I’m waiting to find out. Maybe some of his family can come let us know how things went.

UPDATE 5/01/08 - Judge Randy Kalmbach of the 27th District Court in Wyandotte ruled this afternoon that all three defendants will remain in jail and be bound over for trial in Wayne County.

In the meantime, check Alicia Hartner’s new Magic Jail Hair:

Alicia Hartner's new jail hair

UPDATE 5/16/08 - Alicia Hartner, Mike Wellwood and Phillip “Free Phil” Morris were arraigned in Wayne County Court yesterday. According to family sources, Alicia will face a jury on her own, and Mike and Phil will share a jury and be tried together. There is a docket hearing scheduled for June 20, after which the trial is scheduled for sometime in September. All three suspects remain in custody.

UPDATE 08/06/08 - A fourth suspect in the murders of Dennis Langley and Jack Mascow has been arrested.  Doyle Palmer, 41 (Myspace) is being held without bail in the Wayne County Jail.  At this time, it is unclear what affect, if any, Palmer’s arrest will have on the trials of Alicia Hartner, Mike Wellwood, and Phillip Morris.

Palmer, a single father of two, was arrested primarily based on DNA evidence from a bloody tissue found in the Langley home.  At this time, it does appear that he may drive a silver car very similar to that of Philip Morris, who is believed to have provided a gun and a getaway car for the robbery-turned-murder; this evidence, according to Phil’s family, may exonerate him.   At this time, however, all four suspects are being held without bail pending a hearing on August 29.

Here’s Doyle Palmer with his son, taken this summer:

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Does Palmer hold the key to the Langley/Mascow murders?  Or is he just an unlucky dude who got a nosebleed?  As always, we’ll update as information becomes available.

UPDATE 12/23/08 - FreePhil was RIGHT!    Yes, denizens, it’s true.  The family members of Phillip Morris, Mike Wellwood and Alicia Hartner have much to be happy about for Christmas.  The murder charges against Phil, Mike and Alicia (!) have been dropped.  It appears that I, your loyal ImpQueen, was WRONG.  W-R-O-N-G WRONG.   So what next?  Is Doyle Palmer to blame for the murders of Dennis Langley and Jack Mascow, or will their killers ever be found?  I don’t know.  All I know is that this is one story I’m happy to revise.  Happy Holidays, FreePhil!

According to the statement released by prosecutor Kym Worthy, “We are dismissing the cases because during trial preparation it was discovered that two of our main witnesses on these three defendants — not on (Palmer’s) cases — were discovered to be untruthful in material ways and were inconsistent with the physical evidence. We simply will not proceed at this time.”

And yes, for the record, this is twice I’ve been wrong about someone’s guilt.  TWICE.  Not counting the one time I was wrong about someone’s innocence.  I think I hear Morbid laughing.

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612 Responses to “Alicia Hartner Controls the Minds of Men”
  1. FREEPHIL says:
    1) Is any one denying that Phil got a call and picked these two up after the fact? Or is Phil taking the stance of absolutely no involvement? Never saw or heard from them that night?

    Mike was at Phillip’s house until a little before 10pm the night of the murder. Phillip is denying that he has any involvement as he never left the house that night.

    2) If he never left the house that night and IS taking the stance of no involvement, what does the live in fiancee say about this? When did she arrive home? Is she his alabi along with the friend Dave?

    Yes and Yes, she and Dave are both alibi’s for Phillip’s whereabouts that whole night with the exception of about 15-20 minutes when Phillip was cleaning the house and Dave was in the living room with Phillips’ step-son

    Where does Alicia allege that Phil picked them up at? The house? Or on the street after they left the scene?

    In her “bullshit confession” she says that Phillip pulled up behind the van and stuff was loaded in his trunk. That is EXACTLY what was read off of her “confession” in court

  2. FREEPHIL says:

    Ok, as a family member (who is not directly involved) I was able to stay in the court room for the entire proceeding and yes I did hear Dave’s entire interview. Dave stated that he did NOT know if Phillip left the house or not but that he had stated earlier in the evening that he needed to clean the house before Jen got home from work. When he asked Dave to keep an eye on the kid it was so he could clean the rest of the house up.

    The timeline was messed up both by what Dave answered to the prosecutor and the prosecutor herself. Dave’s statement says that a little AFTER 10pm, Phillip asked him to keep an eye on the kid. Dave said he looked at the clock at 10:30pm and was dosing off at that time and heard Phillip tell the kid to get off Dave while he was trying to sleep so from the time Phillip asked him to keep any eye on the kid to 10:30 couldn’t have been more than 20 minutes.

    Dave also stated when he wokr up at 11pm that Phillip was asleep on the couch and his shirt was a little dirty (from cleaning house maybe?). The prosecutor TRIED to make Dave say that he KNEW that Phillip left the house but Dave said he did not know that as he did not see Phillip leave.

    The news papers and TV news are not being completely accurate with their depictions of what goes on in court, I wish I could take my own recording device in with me.

    I will let you guys know what happens in court tomorrow and thanks for all the kind and honest words from most of you :) It really is hard going through all of this knowing my brother is innocent and not being able to do anything but wait.

    FREE PHIL!!

  3. MizRedHead says:

    What about the alleged weapons that Dave saw on Phillip’s bed?

    The article in the paper stated that Dave testified that Phil DID leave the house and asked Dave to watch his son. The article says absolutely nothing about Dave falling asleep, or Phil sleeping on the couch.

    If Phil was in fact cleaning the apartment, it would have to be a pretty big place, I would think, in order for his friend to not know if he was still there. I have been in those Woodhaven apartments, they are not that big.

    Also, if all three were arested at the same time as was stated by FreePhil earlier and Alicia gave her “bullshit confession” while she was in custody, why was Phil arrested? What precipitated an arrest warrant?

    All seems pretty fishy to me. I understand wanting to clear your family member of an awful crime, but respect the intelligence of people who are interested and keeping up with what’s happening in this case.

  4. temporaryname says:

    I am with mizredhead on this all the way. After reading that last detroit freepress article, I kinda feel bad for FREEPHILL. It seems like she’s just 100% sure of her brother’s innocence purely because it’s her little brother and he couldn’t possibly have helped out in this crime, right? My heart goes out to all the families involved…If I was FREEPHILL, I’d probably want to feel the same way about my bro. Regardless, you can’t just believe him because he’s scared shitless and say’s it’s true.

    First of all, what’s up with Mike just happening to hang out with Phil immediately before he killed those men.

    Secondly, what about the array of weapons laid out on the bed or whatever? Why randomly that night? The fact that Dave was sure that one of the weapons was missing when Phil left (cleaning…hah) is a dead giveaway to me. That tied in with Mike hanging out right before…

    Last, that apartment must have been messy! Whenever I clean a room, I don’t end up with a shirt that is noticeably soiled. But I guess it could happen… Still, I don’t clean like a ninja either. If I was cleaning enough to get dirty, I’m assuming that my friend who was one or two rooms away in the same apartment would hear the commotion and be 100% positive that I was home.

  5. if_the_shoe_fits says:

    I find it peculiar that Dave took such notice that Phil’s shirt was soiled. Seems odd that he could remember that specific detail and provide testimony at a later time.
    It must have struck him as odd. Under normal circumstances a soiled shirt wouldn’t make an impression at all.
    Also, I’ve heard from people who know the family, who were in the court room during Dave’s testimony who say that the news herald account of the testimony is qutie accurate.

    Lastly, We are talking about 8 counts.

    We still haven’t heard what Phil’s girlfriend really had to say. Will she testify? What time did she get home?

  6. FREEPHIL says:
    Also, if all three were arested at the same time as was stated by FreePhil earlier and Alicia gave her “bullshit confession” while she was in custody, why was Phil arrested? What precipitated an arrest warrant?

    My remark way earlier in this thread (really soon after this all happened) stated that they were all arrested at the same time, because that is what my mother was told by the police when they came to her house the first time to question her about my brother. We later found out that Alicia was arrested and the boys were arrested the next day, not at the same time as I earlier was told.

    All seems pretty fishy to me. I understand wanting to clear your family member of an awful crime, but respect the intelligence of people who are interested and keeping up with what’s happening in this case.

    As for respecting people, I have not been disrespectful to anyone that was not disrespectful to me or my family. I am trying to provide as much information as I can to the people who are here reading this and will continue to post updates until my brothers name is cleared and he gets to come home with us!

    UPDATE from court: They have seperated Alicia from Phillip and Michael for trial. The boys will have one jury and Alicia will have a seperate jury since her “confession” is only going to be used against her and her ONLY. Our lawyer has advised that it is better for my brother that way. There will be a docket hearing June 20th and then IF they are going to have a trial it will start in September. There will probably be nothing new between now and the June 20th hearing so I will check back closer to that time.

    thanks,
    Nikky

  7. impqueen says:

    Nikky,

    Thanks for the update! I’ll update the article as well. I kept looking for news and not finding any, so thanks again.

  8. michelle says:
    All seems pretty fishy to me. I understand wanting to clear your family member of an awful crime, but respect the intelligence of people who are interested and keeping up with what’s happening in this case.

    Fishy is the word. Fishy as a whores cootch after weekend liberty.
    While it’s true, I don’t know the whole story I find it hard to believe the Prosecuting Attorney would keep someone in jail without evidence.

  9. Ashley22H says:

    FREEPHIL-

    I hope it all works out for you, your brother, and your family. I was reading on CNN about a man who was cleared from DNA evidence after 27 years of being wrongly accused for murder. Mistakes happen on a daily basis in our justice system. It’s natural human error.

    As Americans we are supposed to remember….innocent until proven guilty.

    I hope for your all’s sake that he is innocent. But obviously they (the prosecutors) have enough evidence to charge him with these crimes. There’s an old saying that when you hang out with people who are filthy…you become filthy yourself. Phillip was obviously doing things that were illegal (drugs) prior to these charges. Drugs change who you are and make you do things that you wouldn’t do if you were sober. Like someone said in an earlier posting….I find it hard to believe they would keep an innocent person behind bars.

    I’m not judging Phillip or anyone involved in this case. I hope that if Phillip is innocent, his name will be cleared soon. Eventually time will allow the facts of this case to come to light. Please keep us updated on the case. Not only is Phillip being charged with crimes….but now the entire family must deal with this as well. My thoughts are with you all.

    Not only is there the victims in this case….but now the families of the people charged with the crimes become victims dealing with their loved one’s charges. It’s a very hard situation for all parties involved.

  10. FREEPHIL says:

    Just a quick update.
    Court June 20th: Something having to do with one of the motions that one of the lawyers wanted filed caused the court date to be adjourned until August 1st.

  11. thepooh5 says:

    Thanks FREEPHIL for the update.

  12. Working says:

    Another arrest has been made.

  13. Wonder says:

    whats that mean, working ?

  14. Ruby says:

    Wow, I didn’t see that coming! Yes, Working, what does that mean?

    Can you tell us WHO was arrested and on what charge? Is your info from the family or a news source? Could you provide a link? Thanks

  15. mm_classy says:
    Another arrest has been made.

    Come on.. you cant just drop something like that on us and not give details and explain!!

  16. FREEPHIL says:
    Another arrest has been made.

    This is correct, my mom just talked to Phillip’s lawyer and he said that a 4th person has been arrested (male but no name was given to us) and that his DNA matches the DNA found at the crime scene and they are wanting to find out if he drives a silver car (the one that was supposedly my brothers).

    This is wonderful news for my brother because hopefully that means that he will be able to come home on Friday, August 1st, which is the next court date. I am taking the day off work to be there Friday and will post any new information after that. Please pray that the person or people responsible for this horrific crime will be punished and that my Baby Brother will be released!

    FREE PHIL!!!

  17. Ruby says:

    Thank you so much for the update, FreePhil. I really appreciate you coming here to keep us informed.

    I’ll be searching online for more information about this arrest as it becomes available.

    As always, I hope for the best for you and your brother, if he is indeed innocent in all of this. Perhaps this arrest will be the break you’ve been waiting for.

  18. Athena says:

    Interesting. The saga continues. I’m looking forward to finding out who was arrested and what relationship they have to Alicia.

    Best of luck, FreePhil. Thanks for the update.

  19. Please pray that the person or people responsible for this horrific crime will be punished

    I can go that far, once that prayer is answered I hope your brother is home and cleared. I can’t pray for both of your requests as they may conflict, we just don’t know for certain. I pray for you and the family to persevere no matter the outcome, and I pray for your brother too but he’s got to press through with the man’s justice before we can beatify him.

    I hope for your all’s sake that he is innocent. But obviously they (the prosecutors) have enough evidence to charge him with these crimes. .….I find it hard to believe they would keep an innocent person behind bars.

    I’m surprised that so many posters echo this sentiment, the system will keep you in jail until all the explanations have been triple checked by cops and vetted through some form of court officer (prosecutor or judge if it goes to trial). I’m not meaning to single you out Ashley but you opened with a scenario that should make everyone see the system fucks up sometimes.

    I was reading on CNN about a man who was cleared from DNA evidence after 27 years of being wrongly accused for murder. Mistakes happen on a daily basis in our justice system.

  20. mm_classy says:

    FreePhil, thank you for thinking of us and coming to post with the news you’ve heard. Please come back with updates as soon as you can. I’ll be praying for your family and that if Phil is innocent, that he be released and cleared of this once and for all!

  21. impqueen says:

    Now that’s a hell of an update, right there. Thanks for letting us know, FreePhil. When you get more information (a name, etc.) please let us know so I can update the original article.

  22. thepooh5 says:
    FreePhil, thank you for thinking of us and coming to post with the news you’ve heard. Please come back with updates as soon as you can. I’ll be praying for your family and that if Phil is innocent, that he be released and cleared of this once and for all!

    Now that’s a hell of an update, right there. Thanks for letting us know, FreePhil. When you get more information (a name, etc.) please let us know so I can update the original article.

    Prayers for all of you and thanks for the update. Please keep them coming.

  23. mm_classy says:

    I guess kathy had a pretty valid point yesterday… this almost slipped by without notice. :(

    I cant wait to find out if all this time, Phil was actually telling the truth, and someone else was involved. After almost 5 months!

  24. mm_classy says:

    Pooh! I was just thinking about you, and wondered where you were! I hope all is well with you..

  25. thepooh5 says:
    Pooh! I was just thinking about you, and wondered where you were! I hope all is well with you..

    Thanks, classy - working my ass off, the last two days - trying to catch up on Caylee - ha, I’ll never get caught up.

    I just took a quick peek - waiting for some giant update on Caylee, I thought I should offer the phil’s a quick prayer. I’ll check back in a bit.

  26. Dublin says:

    Yes this guy really should be free…what a bunch of losers! I got this from his my space page. With a statement about how this would be the last sight you would see.
    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2u7ltt0&s=4

  27. Ruby says:

    OMG. Is that Phil??

    If so, I’m disappointed.

  28. thepooh5 says:

    I went to the link in post # 276 - unless something is up with the picture - that’s not even a real gun. If you’ll notice, where’s the hole in the barrel for the bullet to come out?

    And if anything does come out of that barrel, my bet is on a BB or pellet.

  29. FREEPHIL says:
    Yes this guy really should be free…what a bunch of losers! I got this from his my space page. With a statement about how this would be the last sight you would see.http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2u7ltt0&s=4

    I just need to CLARIFY something, this “Phil” in the above mentioned post IS NOT MY BROTHER PHIL! I can not stress this enough. If you go back and read some of the earlier posts regarding this whole situation you will see that Alicia Hartner has a (as she referred to him on her myspace page) brother/best friend/ex boyfriend named Phil and that is who that picture is of, not my brother.

    My brother and this other Phil kid look a whole lot similar, they are both brown hair, light eyes, tall skinny white boys. I believe that my brother is older than this other Phil but not 100% sure.

    I am really curious to find out if it was in fact this other Phil that was arrested and if maybe HE was the one involved all along. I will post more when I know more but i could not let you guys think that THAT was my brother!

    Nikky - FREE PHIL FRIDAY!!!

  30. impqueen says:
    I just need to CLARIFY something, this “Phil” in the above mentioned post IS NOT MY BROTHER PHIL! I can not stress this enough. If you go back and read some of the earlier posts regarding this whole situation you will see that Alicia Hartner has a (as she referred to him on her myspace page) brother/best friend/ex boyfriend named Phil and that is who that picture is of, not my brother.

    Y’know, they look so much alike and are both right on Alicia’s top friends list that I did the same thing when this story first broke, so I see how the mistake is easy to make. You’ll remember I even published the other Phil’s Myspace at first - they are very similar in appearance, but yeah, that’s not the “FreePhil” Phil.

    So do you have a name on the new arrest yet? Any new info on the case?

  31. tray-bay-bay says:

    Yeah, I remember when that “other” Phil’s myspace was up and it was realized it wasn’t “FreePhil”.

    Wow! I’m shocked that another arrest has been made. I think frequently of the victim’s families and hope they continue to heal from this horrific crime.

    Thanks for the update, Nikky. It certainly looks like your brother may have a shot at least at being released. If he had no involvement in this crime maybe he can finally move on with his life. Best of luck to you and yours. I look forward to the update.

  32. FREEPHIL says:
    So do you have a name on the new arrest yet? Any new info on the case?

    I wish I had more information but we probably won’t know anything more until court on Friday morning. However, if anything new comes up today or tomorrow I will be sure to post.

    I was all over the internet yesterday looking for any news article or mention of the new arrest but found nothing. I was thinking maybe because it’s “old news” now but maybe they are holding that juicy tidbit for the news AFTER the court date on Friday.

    FREE PHIL FRIDAY!!

  33. FREEPHIL says:

    Just to clarify for anyone who wants to know, this is MY BROTHERS myspace page with pics of him on it: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=70734639&MyToken=fe807112-c251-44ad-8851-749946b745fa

    this is the OTHER PHIL, friend of Alicia Hartner’s myspace page with pics on it also:
    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=23489566

    This way everyone can see that the two are very similar looking but are not the same person.

    FREE PHIL FRIDAY!!

  34. FREEPHIL says:
    So do you have a name on the new arrest yet? Any new info on the case?

    Ok, I am back again! We were given the name of the guy arrested but asked not to share it with anyone as of yet (my guess is the media doesn’t even have this info yet). What I can tell you about this guy is that he is in his 40’s and have a prior conviction list as long as my leg.

    He has been convicted of multiple counts of armed robbery, multiple counts of felony firearms and multiple counts of breaking and entering. I looked him up on OTIS (which is MI’s offender tracking system) and found out the afore mentioned as well as the fact that he is absconded from parole (which means that he has not shown up for parole reporting so he has/had a warrant).

    He also has a myspace page which I looked up (and will post the link once I know it’s ok to name a name) and his quote on his myspace page is something to the effect of “it’s not illegal unless you get caught”. As for the details of HOW they connected him, other than the DNA evidence, I have no clue but am hoping to find out a lot more on Friday.

    FREE PHIL!!

  35. Kathy says:

    Seriously, this is the FIRST time I have ever been sitting on pins and needles waiting for someone to comment on a thread.

    Freephil, I hope you get back to us sooner rather than later.

  36. thepooh5 says:
    Seriously, this is the FIRST time I have ever been sitting on pins and needles waiting for someone to comment on a thread.

    Freephil, I hope you get back to us sooner rather than later.

    Me, too. Good luck all of you PHIL’s. I hope the best for all of you.

  37. impqueen says:

    I’m really looking forward to hearing more about this. What does it mean for Phil’s defense if it turns out this guy was in on it? And why hasn’t his name come up before? It seems weird that Mike and Alicia would pin Phil but not this other dude…. I’m just playing with scenarios here, and I can’t make sense out of that one, unless they really, really hated Phil for some reason. Any ideas?

  38. tray-bay-bay says:

    Maybe Alicia and Mike were really afraid of this other guy since it sounds like he was older and a career criminal? I dunno, but I’m waiting anxiously to hear more.

  39. MizRedHead says:

    Any word yet on what happened in court today?

    I cannnot wait to hear about this new suspect, although, I am finding it hard to believe there was someone else involved after all this time - mostly, can’t believe that Alicia or Mike would have stayed quiet about a fourth person.

    Also, though I understand the FreePhils wanting to clear his name, I am going to be really surprised if he had absolutely nothing to do with this.

    The whole thing is so convoluted. There is so much we don’t know yet, I guess. I want to know! I am so curious…

    When I first heard of the additional arrest, I figured it was Alicia’s mother. Can’t believe she is totally innocent either.

  40. thepooh5 says:
    Maybe Alicia and Mike were really afraid of this other guy since it sounds like he was older and a career criminal? I dunno, but I’m waiting anxiously to hear more.

    Just read the question, Imp posed to us - that was EXACTLY, my first thought, as well and definately believable.

  41. nalyd says:

    I am wondering if Phil’s attorney failed to tell Phil’s Mom that this might be some sort of preliminary court appearance on Friday. Since Nikky hasn’t posted again I assume Phil has not been freed. All I know from my friends close to the case is that the man is still under arrest.
    I too have considered they might be afraid of the “career criminal” and therefore did not implicate him.
    I have heard that this latest suspect was known by both victims as well as Alicia and her Mom.

  42. nurseronda says:
    I am wondering if Phil’s attorney failed to tell Phil’s Mom that this might be some sort of preliminary court appearance on Friday. Since Nikky hasn’t posted again I assume Phil has not been freed. All I know from my friends close to the case is that the man is still under arrest.I too have considered they might be afraid of the “career criminal” and therefore did not implicate him.I have heard that this latest suspect was known by both victims as well as Alicia and her Mom.

    Wow, this makes me wonder if Alicia’s Mom was in the victims will and was she somehow involved in the killing. Anyone know?

  43. FREEPHIL says:

    Sorry all for not posting sooner but I was out of town for the weekend after the court hearing. The court date was adjourned again until Aug. 29th. The prosecutor asked for additional time to work on her case due to “this suprising new breakthrough on the case”. Phillip’s lawyer againt told the judge that he was ready to proceed and that he saw no reason to postpone and cause his client to remain behind bars.

    The judge granted the adjournment based on the new evidence and set the new appearance for Aug. 29th. My brother’s lawyer then requested that a bond be set for my brother and the judge did not say no this time, thank God, but rather said she would turn it over to a bond review board and the board will make a decision as to weather they will grant bond. Immediately following my brother’s lawyers request for bond the other 2’s lawyers jumped on the band wagon and also requested the same considration for bond.

    There was one thing that really got a fire going under my butt at court on Friday though, there was NO MEDIA PRESENCE in the courtroom. Also, while I was sitting and waiting for things to begin I heard the Detective in charge tell someone else in the courtroom that asked him about the case and said he thought things like that hardly ever happened in Riverview, Det. Rosebaum I think is his name stated blatantly that No and that is why we are trying to keep this one under wraps. I have a big problem with no media attention and here is why:

    If the public had complete knowledge of all that is going on and has went on, it would be a circus and then EVERYONE would know what a HUGE mistake(s) was(were) made during the investigation and prosecution. The prosecutor said that the guy arrested’s DNA matched DNA found at the crime scene yet she has NEVER given any discovery to any of the lawyers regarding DNA being found at the scene. She is kneiving and lying and withholding evidence for the last 5 months and has now been given and extention based on the new arrest. Let’s see what she trys to hide this time.

    Sorry for the long, long post but I could probably keep going (lol). I will answer any questions that anyone has though, as best as I can.

  44. cc says:

    So was the guy who was just arrested in court? Did they mention his name in court? Just curious since I knew Dennis and Jack and am wondering if I know this person.

  45. thepooh5 says:

    Well, I was hoping for an update from the Phils about Phil. Has anyone heard anything?

    Ya know, I do have one question and I may have already ask, but here goes anyway…..

    Since Phil was FORMALLY charged, no matter who they arrest and/or who confesses, will Phil not have to go before the judge, in some form or fashion for the murder charges to be dismissed? Or, can the DA just drop charges, without going to any type of hearing and let Phil walk out? And, I would guess, that also varies from state to state?

    Athena, Imp, anyone?

  46. thepooh5 says:

    Sorry Freephil, I must have been typing while you were posting.

    Anyway Freephil, do you know about the question I just posed?

  47. FREEPHIL says:
    So was the guy who was just arrested in court? Did they mention his name in court? Just curious since I knew Dennis and Jack and am wondering if I know this person.

    The guy who was arrested was NOT in court on Friday but they did state his name and it is Doyle Palmer, 41 of Lincoln Park. You can look the guy up on the MI dept. of corrections OTIS website for the list of priors and a picture. So do you know him?

    Since Phil was FORMALLY charged, no matter who they arrest and/or who confesses, will Phil not have to go before the judge, in some form or fashion for the murder charges to be dismissed? Or, can the DA just drop charges, without going to any type of hearing and let Phil walk out? And, I would guess, that also varies from state to state?

    To be totally honest I have no idea what the answer to that question is. From what has been going on up to this point I would GUESS that my brother would still have to go before a judge for the charges to be dismissed.

  48. WryBread says:

    Thank you again, FreePhil, for all this information. I hope your brother is free soon.

  49. baglady says:

    I cannot reveal my identity because I promised I wouldn’t have anything to do with this site.
    However, I feel compelled to make a brief point.

    1) For those of you who know NOTHING about Alicia, and insist on calling her a murderer, you need to get a life and shut up because you don’t know her, or the kind of person she is.

    2) ACTUAL DNA WAS found at the scene, a BLOODY TISSUE. And GUESS WHAT? It’s NOT ANY OF THE KIDS’. THEREFORE, THEY OBVIOUSLY DID NOT COMMIT THE MURDERS.

    3) Alicia does not know Doyle Palmer.

    4) Doyle has a car that looks like Phil’s..HMMM..I WONDER WHO DID IT.

    5)Alicia, Phil, and Mike WILL be out of jail NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TAKES.

    6) I hope those of you who call these kids murderers WITH NO SOURCE OF EVIDENCE really feel like idiots when they’re released from jail. HAHAHAHHAHHA TO YOU, IGNORANT DRAMA-ADDICTS.

  50. bogustoo says:
    I cannot reveal my identity because I promised I wouldn’t have anything to do with this site.

    After reading your dribble, I wish you had kept your promise.

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