John Cellner Is A Baby-Burning Bastard
Filed under: Assault, Burning, Child Abuse, Child Neglect, Domestic Violence
UPDATE 7/12/08 - Clarissa Pierce, 22, has been charged with felony child neglect for failure to seek medical help for her two year old son Nicholas for five days while the child suffered with second and third degree burns over 50% of his body. The burns were inflicted by John Cellner, Pierce’s boyfriend. Pierce is being held in the Ottawa County Jail on $150,000 bond.
Wyandotte, OK - John Cellner thought he could pass it off as a radiator gone wrong. Cellner, 23, is accused of burning his girlfriend’s two-year-old son, Nicholas, from neck to knees, front and back. The toddler has third degree burns, some of which have already required skin grafts. Even worse? It took five days for the child to get medical help. Five days, people. How do you look a baby in the face and just decide not to get him help for excruciating trauma for FIVE DAYS?
The child’s name is being withheld (edit: the child’s name is Nicholas.), but I think his mother’s name is Clarissa, unless John’s got a new girlfriend. (edit : it is Clarissa. She’s now been charged as well.) On June 27, the little boy was somehow scalded so severely that his skin peeled off - he had second and third degree burns over fifty percent of his body. And yet nobody took Nicholas to a doctor. It wasn’t until he was taken to the Sunshine Clinic in Miami, Oklahoma on July 2 that anything at all was done for the little boy.
At the clinic, it was quickly obvious there was a big problem. Staff had Nicholas transferred to a hospital in Tulsa and then hotlined the family. The toddler was treated in the burn unit of the Tulsa hospital while investigators talked to the mother and to Cellner. Cellner first said that he opened a radiator cap and the contents sprayed the child, but that didn’t work based on the burn patterns, so investigators went out to look at Cellner’s vehicle. They didn’t see anything wrong with it.
Cellner’s story started changing. He couldn’t keep it straight. The latest and apparently final version is that he took off the radiator cap, it sprayed the child, and he responded to the spray by grabbing Nicholas and holding him under scalding water for “between three and fifteen minutes” because…. get this… he “didn’t know the water was hot.”
Yeah, he’s a genius, that John Cellner. But don’t paint all Okies with the same brush, because the Ottawa County Sheriff’s office had the good sense to call bullshit on the steamiest pile in Wyandotte. John Cellner was arrested on Thursday and charged with felony child abuse. He’s being held in the Ottawa County Jail on $250,000 bond.
UPDATE - On Friday, July 11, charges were filed against the child’s mother, Clarissa Pierce. Pierce, 22, has been charged with felony child neglect for failure to seek medical help for Nicholas for five days while the child suffered with second and third degree burns over 50% of his body. Pierce is being held in the Ottawa County Jail on $150,000 bond.
I wanted to reply to this…to point out something…but fuck it.
First, you need to study English and typing.
And the word “fucking” is not a sound that indicates emphasis, it’s just an over-used curse word. So “we met at the hospital the fucking night i was born” doesn’t convey, “She was there when I was born and we have been emotionally close ever since.” It just sounds weird (e.g., a reasonable reaction might be: “What is ‘Fucking Night?’ Some Oklahoma holiday?”).
Second, the other auntie said MommyEnabler didn’t take the boy to the hospital because she didn’t have a car. So which is it? She didn’t have a car or he didn’t complain of 3rd degree burns for 5 days?
You passionate, illiterate aunties better get together and decide on a story.
I just want to say to the aunties that if you want us to back off supply some proof that his burns weren’t 2nd and 3rd degree burns. Neither of these look like a sunburn or if they do “resemble a sunburn” they blister horribly and should recieve medical care immediately especially true for children.
If it was something as simple as that than the mother would not have been arrested.
I am a guardian ad litem and a trauma nurse I have seen my share of horribly abused children and burns are the worst. It pisses me off that so many family members are quick to come to the aid of the abusers, (and yes anyone that lets a child suffer for 5days is an abuser even if they don’t touch the child themselves), instead of rushing to the aid and defense of the victim. WTF!!!! I just want to say shame on you, it is people like you that make the world such a sad place for the innocent.
We are here not as a hobby but as the first line of the wake the fuck up and stop hurting children brigade.
What you are doing is just as awful as the adults involved in this story. You don’t like us…. we don’t give a shit. You are not our focus that litte boy is we are his voice and no one elses. You want to pray to pray for him.
Just curious why hasn’t he been placed in your care?
Does “getting a life” entail giving a toddler second and third degree burns, then blaming it on nefarious plumbing?
Don’t worry, I’ll give you time to look up “entail” and “nefarious.”
Uh no, the same Auntie said both of these you dumbass!
So tell me this, if the burns were no more than a sunburn, why did you dumb asses feel the need to take the child to the hospital?
I’d say your own cover lie does not pass the laugh test.
Face it, you are all a bunch of lying child abusers and the aunties need to have their homes investigated. Its a damn good thing you stay here making it easy for us to track your IP so the proper authorities can be contacted.
TY for that.
R
Um…..I never saw the burns for your information, nor have I ever claimed to have seen them. So like Auntie2 said until you know the facts shut the fuck up. Oh and by the way why would the authorities have any reason to investivate my home? Do I have kids? Do I live by myself? Exactly, once again you don’t know! Oh and one more thing, the mother isn’t being charged with abuse so AGAIN, get your facts right!
you mean to tell me leaving a severely burned child without medical care for 5 days is not abuse?
Thanks for clearing that up for me retard. :eyeroll:
I forget there are two of you abuse enabling tards here. All your kind look alike to me.
So maybe you can tell us why the child abusers felt the need to take the baby to that clinic if there was nothing wrong here? I mean according to your two tards, there was no harm done here and no need for the child to be in intensive care for how many days now?
We all know that its a regular thing to have skin grafts for sunburn, that is why burn units exist at hospitals right? treating sunburns.
What I find so baffling is that ALL these dumbass doctors over reacted. All these trained professionals with CLEARLY far more education than you and tardauntie2 seem to think this child was abused and left with no care for 5 days, yet you come here and tell us different. What in the hell were we thinking by not asking tardauntie 1&2 for the “real deal”?
How could we have been so stupid? :eyeroll:
Good night child, it will soon be 10:00 PM when all good kids should be in bed, and we know you are one of the good kids right?
R
You’re right. In the confusion of your ignorantly written posts and parallel screen names, I missed that it was Auntie2 who announces the “facts” that MommyEnabler didn’t have a car so couldn’t take the burned boy to the hospital by any other means AND that MommyE didn’t know the boy was injured. I don’t know how she could have missed the tissue damage that must have been clearly visible, but maybe MommyE is blind.
Auntie2 needs to get all her personalities together and have them agree on one story.
Apparently, if you mashed MommyE and AuntieE together, you wouldn’t even get one competent parent.
Am I reading this right? babys_antieno2 is 16 years old?
And THAT explains so much.
ok here ya go n ill clear some things up for ya
yes i am sixteen yrs old
yes my sister knew about the injuries
no my sister does not have a car of her own
and again as aunti one has said y would the authorities have ne reason to investigate my home? IM SIXTEEN YEARS OLD PEOPL geez wtf
So, AuntieNo2, is “The Fucking Night” an Oklahoma holiday?
So we’ve come full circle. MommyBadness did know about the injuries and used the excuse of not having a car to delay five days before getting aid for a child who was burned “from neck to knees front and back.” Of course he wasn’t crying because the wounds were so severe that his nerve endings were cooked. But it looked no worse than bad sunburn. Did MommyB buy the radiator cap/scalding-water dip story that her Penis told the police?
A Bubbaku:
“Geez — no car,” they yell.
Aunties’ panties’ public twist.
“Why hate on Good Mom?”
she did not use that as a reason not to take him to the dr
and thank you very much but he was not burned that much i can tell u exactly where the burns were that i knew of
he had one on his left hand which is where he had to have skin graphs, on his left shoulder, on his thighs in front and on his back right above his butt on the left side
and come on people ive never known my sister to be anything but loving to that baby…and shes my big sister
can you really blame me for sticking up for her?
and no she did not believe him that is why she left him and moved in with me right after the incident happened
I know from unidentified sources that you are a twatwaffle. In light of that…wouldn’t you agree that sources are only reliable when identifiable?
I call BULLSHIT
Um…ambulances come to your house when you call 911. They don’t even make you give them gas money!
Well, that just makes it all okay, doesn’t it? We should all remember not to take our gravely injured, mutilated and severely suffering children to the hospital until the person or thing causing the injuries makes a full confession. Oh, and ASKING what the HELL happened may speed the process along a bit.
Oh, so she has allowed other men to abuse her child, also? Just proves what a piece of CRAP this so-called mother is! And her Man-Picker is broken. Just sayin’
Precisely the point. She “did not do nothing” to help her child. Nor did she “do nothing” to protect her child from abusive men.
If CPS does their job correctly, she will NEVER get this child back. Besides, he is just a liability anyway. Gets in the way of penis hunting.
Calls ‘em like we sees ‘em. Cowgirl up or go home.
ROFL! Harley, my husband has been saying this since he started hanging around a Harley mechanic. I thought it might be a local thing, but now I see the common denominator here
I bet if was HER burned and in pain, she’d have found a ride to the hospital with a quickness.
That is a direct quote from YOU in post # 48
OK, so now I see it was a child viewing the burns that required skin grafts and making the claim that they were no more than a sunburn. I call bullshit kid. Another person that A) should have sought help for this kid. B) surely could have made an adult aware of the child’s injuries. C) Could have at least called police when away from the scene and gotten her sister and this kid some help if the asshole who tortured him would not.
THAT is why authorities should be made aware of your admission, you too did nothing for this child and are just as guilty as your sister of furthering this child’s injuries.
There is a very clear pattern of child endangerment by neglect in your family and making sure authorities know about it will ensure that none of you can succeed in an attempt to gain custody of this child while your sister sits in jail. Its about protecting kids here, a subject none of you seem to know anything about.
R
Well said! Now that is what a REAL parent sounds like. Are you taking notes, Auntie?
Harley, I wanna have your babies!!
LOL, yeah, when I get a touch riled up I tend to say that.
I’ve let this story bother me too much. Its very close to me both in distance and in other ways. In the AM I’ll be making several calls to a group that is sure to be involved directly in this case. A group that has ONE thing in mind and that is protecting the child. Something that has been absent in that family for sure.
R
Shit. Now me ‘n’ Lapsus gonna have to fight over who has Harley’s babies. No, I ain’t sharin’, bitch!
P.S. I knew him first. Whore!
Yeah, I’m willing to accept a 16-year-old as the authority on this case. NOT.
Step off, girls. I loves me my Harley. I want him to be my IBF.
Besides, my DH has taken a Harley apart down to the frame, and is rebuilding/customizing it from scratch and has NO IDEA what he’s doing. He’s learning as he’s going, so we could use a qualified Harley tech in the extended family, as it were….I’m sure DH would be thrilled if Harley were my IBF!!
On a serious note, Harley, please do let us know if you are successful in reporting the comments on this thread to the local authorities/agencies who might make use of them in their investigations. It sounds like a number of people failed this poor child, and that sucks!!
Oh, i had this big comment to go here but then i thought, nevermind. It won’t help.
Erica’s Clarissa’s little sister. The baby’s name is Nicholas, not that Erica or the other parallel auntie were gonna tell us that. Erica wants to be a prosecuting attorney when she grows up, and she’s cute and loyal to her family, if not the brightest bulb in the shed. Poor kid.
Listen up, Erica - make sure that when it’s time to start finding babydaddys, you do a little better than your sister. And if something ever happens to your kid that requires skin grafts, you get him or her to a hospital FAST - not five days later. Otherwise, you’ll get charged with child neglect. Let that be a lesson to you, kiddo.
Ooohhhhkay, i got the aunties figured out now. This one is Clarissa and Erica’s sister in law, first name starts with an R, and she is having a baby girl very soon. So no, you don’t live by yourself, and yes, you do have one child at least, a girl who is due any time now. Gosh, looks like i’m learning the facts pretty quick, huh?
Question, R: if your baby was burned over HALF her body, would you or would you not wait five days to take her to the hospital?
Yeah, that’s what i thought. That’s why Clarissa is charged with the neglect of Nicholas - not because she actively abused him, but because she didn’t get him help. That shouldn’t be so tough for a mother to understand. You’d never do that to your own child, I hope, so why make excuses for your idiot sister-in-law?
It’s too bad they couldn’t take the skin grafts from the fat bod of this abusing shit.
Another dildo who got involved in law enforcement so he could abuse others–scary.
3rd-degree burns requiring skin grafts don’t look like suntans.
He refused to take her? I have every sympathy for women who are paralyzed by oppressive and abusive husbands, but she should have called a fucking cab, or a friend, or family member. Don’t be so naive…I guess you have sympathy for her, but face the facts.
<blockquotehe was a security guard at downstream, a fairland reserve police officer, and a former ottawa county jailer
So what?
Yeah? And so did you or anyone else (including this child’s mom) do anything to stop that abuse from happening?
She did nothing? That’s hilarious. Sounds to me that’s EXACTLY what she did–NOTHING–didn’t you just say everyone knew the child was being abused? Your story just doesn’t add up.
The info you gave has only made it more confusing, as far as “facts” go. Can you clear up the holes? My questions would be: if she believed the child was previously abused by his natural father (rather than the baby-burner), what did she do in response? Did she report the natural father for abuse? Did she at least keep the child from seeing the natural father? If the father had visitation rights, did she make any effort to have them rescinded? If she did keep the child away from the natural father, did the abuse continue, and, if so, did it not occur to her that JOHN was the abuser?
Let me just say again: I do have sympathy for mothers in these situations (assuming they’re not theabusers, LOL), but this story seriously stinks for the fact she’s lying her ass off that 3rd-degree burns requiring grafts looked like a suntan. So, no credibility. By the way, you say John didn’t tell her the burns were from hot water. So what did he say they were from? The radiator? WELL, why the fuck would he need to offer any explanation AT ALL if it just looked like a suntan? That doesn’t add up, now does it? MOREOVER, I’m sure this child was screaming and crying, which we don’t do when we have SUNTANS. Nor do we take our children in for SUNTANS, so why was the child taken in if it looked like a SUNTAN?
So, your niece is a damn liar, and you are a gullible aunt.
Babys_auntie, I was nice before, but that’s over. You are a stupid, clueless, asshole. You have ZERO logic skills (your first sentence doesn’t even begin to make sense). And your ability to form a compelling argument simply does not exist. You call failure to get help for a baby whose skin is falling the fuck off a “parenting technique”? YES, I do happen to know “what I would do in a case like this.” Whose lives exactly do you think WE are “ruining” anyway, you asshole?
Bitch, don’t you dare pray for me.
Any aunties who saw these burns (one of the aunties did) and DIDN’T use HER OWN CAR to take poor little miss innocent mommy and her scalded kid to the doctor, you best pray for your own stupid self if you’re such a big believer in the power of prayer to keep your ass out of hell. That’s my advice.
Ditto! I’m in the business in Texas, but I know a few people from other states, and will be making a few calls myself. Maybe being bombarded with info from me, Harley, and anyone else on here with contacts will light a fire under somebody. We can hope…
Oh, fine. Be all selfish, then.
I’ll just get Johnny Depp to father my babies. *sigh*
Oh, the sacrifices I make for the betterment of the world!
Sugarglider,
What did you put in your Wheaties this morning to get you all riled up? LOL
Yeah, that is a sacrifice! LMAO
Hey Erica, I know this probably shouldn’t come as a shock to you since you’ve known her for almost 17 years, but your sister is a fat fucking worthless insecure cow who is so desperate that she would allow her child to be tortured in order to have even the ugliest penis in her life. She is disgusting and if I were her sister I would be ASHAMED to even admit I was related to her, much less defending her like you are. You are young, but old enough to know that what she did is WRONG. Take it as a lesson learned, don’t be like this worthless pig of a “mother”.
You took the words right out of my mouth, Solange! You definitely expressed it better than I could have. Both you “aunties” better take notes! “Momma” (I use that term very lightly) is just as guilty as that fat fuck “penis” of hers!
Well, well..isn’t this interesting? A comment posted on Clarrisa’s MySpace page by oneof her friends:
“and hey fill out ur stupid profile! im sick of it sayin that u dont want kids! man one of these days nick is gonna learn how to read and beat the shit out of u lol love ya”
That pretty much says it all, doesn’t it? Stupid cunt.
Yeah, what everybody else said.
Ok, I don’t recall ever saying it Clarissa wasn’t in the wrong, yes she should have taken the baby to the Dr before 5 days went by, but as a matter of fact my husband is the one who took her and the baby to the Dr. And I am the one who made them go to the hospital a couple times before. Yes Clarissa was ongoing trying to get parental rights terminated from the biological father. You can check http://www.odcr.com and had stopped letting the baby go to his dads and the abuse continued, however there was always an excuse from John about where the bruising or injury came from. Including myself there are two other family members who advised Clarissa we thought something was going on wether she knew about it or not she needed to watch the baby like a hawk and if he was really just a clumsy kid to keep a better eye on him. Yes this had also been reported to DHS in the past, as a matter of fact I told the DHS worker I thought it was John who was the abuser, however DHS did nothing! And also, my husband and I are activly trying to get custody of the baby. You guys make it act like no one did anything but when law enforcement and DHS has been informed what else was a person supposed to do? The bilolgical fathers grandparents even took John and Clarissa to court for grandparents rights and got denied. The courts really don’t make it too easy to get a child removed from these circumstances. Because damnit I tried, sorry Erica, I’m really not concerned with if anyone in the family gets upset with me anymore, this is about Nick not anyone else. I love Clarissa to death but how can you be that blind? Really? It’s not possible! Clarissa got too wrapped up in getting Matt in troule that she completely overlooked any signs that it may be John despite me, mom and Sheila telling her that’s who we thought it was. Because I’ll be damned if my kid is going to have bruises all over her or even one bruise on her and I’m not going to ask where it came from or what happened. I’m sick of everyone worring about defending Clarissa or John, if they are guilty or not the judge will decide but for right now I’m sick of my nephew being with a bunch of strangers he doesn’t even know and my main concern is getting him back in this family, wether it be with his dad’s family, and any of you that do know Matts family know they would never hurt or condone the hurting of the baby, or with us as long as with someone he knows that loves him. This baby needs the support right now not John and Clarissa they are adults and can fend for themselves, Nick is 2 years old and can’t even tell us who did this to him, I believe that should be this whole familys concern at the moment!
And yes I am very pregnant, and at first I was thinking like a friend, that I needed to stick up for Clarissa, fuck that! I’m not a friend, I’m going to be a mother and I’m this babys aunt, I need to think about the babies not the people that did this to him or allowed it to go on. Sorry if ya get pissed or even if Clarissa gets pissed when she reads this as I know she will be eager to see what kind of drama is going on, my concern is Nick and nothing else. He’s just a baby and doesn’t deserve this damnit!
Sorry for this being so long, but this has been clammed up inside me for a couple days now and I needed to say it.
This post is starting to show signs of right thinking finally. If this is your true feelings today I say good for you!! I also ask what da hell took you so long?
Honestly, the calls I made this AM were addressing this part directly. If the feelings expressed here are genuine then you will have no problem with the calls I made. I still don’t believe YOU are at all the person described above for a couple of reason. One, your first instinct was to defend Nicholas’ mother simply because she is your sister. You place Nicholas second, just like his mother did.
Nicholas needs someone…ANYONE, in his life right now that places him first above all else, and I don’t believe that is you or anyone on her side of that family…yet
In the absence of any credible negative information about the bio-daddy (Matt you said right?), it sure looks like he and his family may be the best suited for the job on a permanent basis. You can bet your last dollar the folks I spoke to will check him out more than he has ever been checked because they have one thing in mind, that is Nicholas’ well being. I’ll be getting back to them with his name, but I’m sure they already know him.
Good for you for saying this! I sure as hell hope you are not just paying it lip service. I hope this quote was not born out of knowing that those who will decide Nicholas’ future are now watching.
I further hope you understand that I don’t take the actions I have taken this AM lightly. If you look back objectively at your first postings here, I think you can agree that you looked pretty damn bad while defending her and her actions. No one here is doing anything to add to your family’s tragedy, you guys seem to have a pretty good handle on doing that.
Every message you see here from us regulars was and is in support of Nicholas and seeing to it that those who hurt him feel shame and pay a price for doing so.
I’m willing to give Erica a pass on her postings here for one reason, her age. She is not yet mature enough to understand fully, and honestly was more likely than not following YOUR lead here Babys_Auntie. Please remember that for the future. Please!
I truly do wish nothing but the best for Nicholas and who ever takes the lead in making his life better going forward. I want very much to believe that your last post is an indication that someone is finally stepping up for him. If that is true, I wish you all the wisdom and power needed to do right by him!!
Lastly, I want to apologize to you and Erica both for being so harsh in with my language to you both in my prior posts. I’m guilty of letting my anger and frustration with you both get the better of me, and that was wrong.
Don’t screw this up, Nicholas can’t afford for you to.
R
Just some updated info on the case in general:
On Cellner:
http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=058-CF%20%200800223&County=058-
07/11/2008 CM RGH DEFENDANT PRESENT. DEFENDANT ANNOUNCES HE HAS HIRED AN ATTORNEY. RETURN 7-14-08 AT 9:30AM FOR ARRAINGMENT WITH ATTORNEY. DEFENDANT REMANDED TO CUSTODY OF SHERIFF PENDING FURTHER ORDER OF COURT.
On Pierce:
http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=058-CF%20%200800227&County=058-
07/10/2008 BENCH WARRANT ISSUED OKLAHOMA COURT 07/10/2008 AFFIDAVIT FOR ARREST
This appears to indicate she has not yet been arrested on the warrant, but that could be due to not having been updated. Last update for the records was on the 11th.
R
I agree and like I said I was thinking like a friend, not like a mother or a caring aunt.
I’m very aware of that and have been for some time, as i said my husband and I are the ones that made sure Dr. appts were kept as scheduled. And I may be wrong but are you refering to CASA? If so I have every intention of calling them tomorrow morning and requesting an advocate. Due to the fact unlike DHS and lawyers CASA has nothing to lose and everything to gain, as in they are ONLY there for the best interest of the child. I was not really aware of CASA until today. I made some phone calls myself and have learned alot today.
I just keep thinking if it ever came down to my baby or my husband I’d be telling him to hit the damn road and don’t come back, our baby isn’t even born yet and I can’t imagine someone hurting her or any other child for that matter. I’d probably go off the deep end if I even suspected someone trying to hurt her. But like I said earlier, the mommy in me is kicking in and I’m trying to make this as good as it can possibly be for the best interest of Nick, he didn’t deserve this! I do realize I was very defensive of Clarissa in the beginning but that was just my first reaction. However I am also the only one who even TRIED to call and check on him at the hospital when he had his skin graph, but the nurses wouldn’t release any information to me. Clarissa did however talk to DHS about it and said he was doing good and the surgery went good.
Apology greatly appreciated, i got my priorities confused and have now straighted them out, and am quite aggrivated with myself now.
I hope you all understand, Erica is only 16 yes, but she is still blind to the fact that her sister could not see this, there’s no reasoning with her, that’s just how she is. She stands for what she believes in and no one will change her mind, no matter what. She’s always been like that, which in some cases isn’t a bad thing but in this instance it isn’t good .
She was arrested on Friday morning, I had taken her to the police department to get something from John and they arrested her on the spot.
I am also going to the arraignment (Spelling?) tomorrow morning and can give you all an update if you would like or you can just go to http://www.odcr.com, it is supposed to be updated daily but not sure if it is or not.
That would be great if you could update us, since it probably will not update the sight until the following day.
Thank you for seeing this in the proper light, and welcome to the site.
I hope this very trying time gets easier for you. You are doing the right thing.
Yes, I am very close to CASA and good for you for seeking their help.
Remember, they are in Nicholas’ corner, so don’t get frustrated if they don’t do things exactly as you wish. They really do only have him in mind.
R
Babys_Auntie,
I just wanted to add this. Your messages earlier indicated that you might not be very popular in the family by taking the right stance here. I want to offer to you that this site and those who populate it are the best there are when it comes to supporting someone like you who is doing the right thing.
If during this struggle, you feel you need a friend to vent to, talk to, or just share feelings, this is a great place for that. I can’t speak for everyone here, but if fighting for Nicholas is your intent, I’ll support you in evey way possible!!
http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums
Join us in the forums at the link above and you will find many great regulars here that will join me in that support!
R
I know just what in hell I would do i would have been getting my arse out that house with my child and getting a ride if that lazy bastard did not care to take me.
Plain and simple.
As for raising mine Mine are raised thank you very much. I raised them damn well. Heck when reading this even They asked why no one took him to the hospital at the time it happened.
I understand ya want to help your neice but come on Aunty help her by getting her some help she obviously has severe self image issues if she really thinks this is the best she can do and thinks it is ok to allow her penis of the month to abuse her child.
Your Kids should Always come first.
Thank you very much for your support.
Um yeah the thanks was to harley…not lilbay
BRAVO!!! Now you’re speaking our language, Baby’s_Auntie! I love to hear you speaking like a walkin’, talkin’, stick-up-for-the-baby mama!! If you can remember this feeling, you’ll do well with your own child.
I know you love Clarissa, but you’re right, she’s an adult and she has clearly made her bed. It is much more important — for her, for the world, for your own child, and for your conscience — that you take the side of the voiceless, abused child.
BRAVO!
works for me too…
may I ask… Where is the grandmothers - I am not referring to the fathers grandparents but his parents (nick’s grandparents) ?
When is the last time you seen Nick?
update please… Is he still in the Hospital ?
Matts( Nicks dad) parents live in Wyandotte and I’m not quite sure what they’re doing, I’ve been trying to contact them but have had no luch.
Clarissa (Mom) father passsed away about 4 years ago and her mother is in poor health.
I saw Nick a week or so before all this came about and like I said earlier my husband is the one that took them to the Dr. the day DHS came and got him.
No he is no longer in the hospital. He had the surgery on the 4th and I believe got out on the 9th. DHS said he was up playing and doing well.