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Couty Alexander Showed His True Colors

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  • 251

    Kimberly

    Jul 10, 2008 at 4:35 pm -

    I think God is way too complex to analyze. Our simplistic minds are not made to fully understand God’s plan.

    Let me say Snuggle…that I know the experience that you are talking about. I am a Christian. I sincerely prayed a prayer asking Jesus to come into my heart when I was a kid, and my life has been different every since. So I know the experience you are referring to, and I grew up in that sheltered enviroment to some extent. But I have watched so many RADICAL Christians fall on their face by setting unrealistic standards and their beliefs just never seemed correct to me. The ones that look down on others for wearing pants are the very ones that commit the worst sins or in this case…murder. All these men that preach women should not wear pants are the very ones that leave their wives with 5 children for their secretary. If you are in the same circle I used to be in, then you should know what I am talking about. I know I won’t change anyone’s mind about home schooling so let’s just agree to disagree on that issue.

    Let me say Snuggle…that I know the experience that you are talking about. I am a Christian. I sincerely prayed a prayer asking Jesus to come into my heart when I was a kid, and my life has been different every since. So I know the experience you are referring to, and I grew up in that sheltered enviroment to some extent. But I have watched so many RADICAL Christians fall on their face by setting unrealistic standards and their beliefs just never seemed correct to me. The ones that look down on others for wearing pants are the very ones that commit the worst sins or in this case…murder. All these men that preach women should not wear pants are the very ones that leave their wives with 5 children for their secretary. If you are in the same circle I used to be in, then you should know what I am talking about. I know I won’t change anyone’s mind about home schooling so let’s just agree to disagree on that issue.

    One more thing…These homeschooled kids never remember to put their names on their test papers! That drives me crazy! How hard is it to put your name on your paper. But I guess when you are the only one in the class, the teacher knows who you are. That is just a tiny example of a little thing that they don’t do. ; )

    One more thing…These homeschooled kids never remember to put their names on their test papers! That drives me crazy! How hard is it to put your name on your paper. But I guess when you are the only one in the class, the teacher knows who you are. That is just a tiny example of a little thing that they don’t do. ; )

    One more thing…These homeschooled kids never remember to put their names on their test papers! That drives me crazy! How hard is it to put your name on your paper. But I guess when you are the only one in the class, the teacher knows who you are. That is just a tiny example of a little thing that they don’t do. ; )




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    thepooh5

    Jul 10, 2008 at 4:36 pm -

    I think God is way too complex to analyze. Our simplistic minds are not made to fully understand God’s plan.

    Welcome Kimberly and I have to agree with you.




  • 253

    Mojo

    Jul 10, 2008 at 4:54 pm -

    Mandella, I think there were more pics added since the last time I looked. Adding the pic of the 2 of them together at Dicks party is strange! I am guessing Christa was not there. *sarcastically*




  • 254

    Mojo

    Jul 10, 2008 at 5:03 pm -

    I really have tried to give the benefit of the doubt, but I have to say I feel more than ever something was going on. It really just pisses me off. She is not as innocent as she looks and I have this overwelming feeling like she flaunting those pics. uugghh!




  • 255

    Mandella

    Jul 10, 2008 at 5:15 pm -

    Mandella, I think there were more pics added since the last time I looked. Adding the pic of the 2 of them together at Dicks party is strange! I am guessing Christa was not there. *sarcastically*

    Yeah, I’d already seen that shot (I’m a myspace stalker extraordinaire), and it definitely makes one pause to think why she’d post that NOW.

    I don’t know that she’s exactly an innocent, but I doubt that she and Couty had actually had an affair. I bet she was a helluva tease for him, though. Only most of us wouldn’t guess an outcome like that for teasing a man….

    Just thoughts, though, just thoughts.

    Could be she’s so distraught over the loss of her friend that she’s posting pictures now for….no…no…I can’t come up with a sensible reason. It’s just kinda creepy, ain’t it?




  • 256

    Lizard

    Jul 10, 2008 at 5:22 pm -

    Yeah, I’d already seen that shot (I’m a myspace stalker extraordinaire), and it definitely makes one pause to think why she’d post that NOW.

    Could be she’s so distraught over the loss of her friend that she’s posting pictures now for….no…no…I can’t come up with a sensible reason. It’s just kinda creepy, ain’t it?

    I’m almost waiting for the post when someone reports going to her MySpace and ASKING her.




  • 257

    Bec Going

    Jul 10, 2008 at 5:23 pm -

    This line of reasoning also assumes that God knew in advance what Couty was going to do, but if humans have free will, than Couty could’ve turned aside at any time and chosen another path

    I do think he knew in advance and if we do have free will, then God can’t stop it or he could stop all murder. Which is why I wasn’t saying that God is a sadistic murderer but I see your point. But God can’t stop free will but he can ease suffering so when we pray for God to be merciful and not let loved ones suffer but to take them quickly, we’re not going to call him a murderer any more than when people say God had a plan so he called her Home.

    I just want the blame to remain where it should–on Couty

    It is. Free will.




  • 258

    Athena

    Jul 10, 2008 at 5:44 pm -

    I’m curious as to what makes this case so especially interesting to people. It’s a pretty standard thing. Roughly 1,300 women are killed every year by the men in their life…

    There’s no mystery about this one. It seems like people are making this more complicated than it needs to be.

    Is it because they are Christians?




  • 259

    SNUGGLEBB

    Jul 10, 2008 at 5:48 pm -

    What bothers me is someone posted a comment saying “I’m praying for you. We’ll get through this or something like that. What’s SHE going through???????? She lost a partner cuz he killed his wife!!!! What’s that to her? Why is she a victim??? Yes, she’s friends with him, yes we’re all distraught about it, but why is someon consoling her? Why aren’t they consoling Christa’s family or the Alexanders? Looks like she’s an attention hog for one and for another it looks like I’d be scared to death to call Acadian Ambulance for fear any of those crazies would answer the call!!!!!!!!!!




  • 260

    Lizard

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:01 pm -

    Is it because they are Christians?

    I think that’s part of it. And I think if you are certain type of Christian (not to be painting with a big honkin’ brush, but fundamentalist Protestant, tending toward those identifying themselves as one or another type of Baptist), the Bakers and Alexanders did everything right, and Couty gave every indication he was exactly the kind of man his parents wanted him to be, and then he shot and killed his pregnant wife. The response might be different if he had killed, say, a drunk black man or if there was scuttlebutt that Christa was a shrieking harridan. Also, I get the impression that many of the people who have returned again and again know or know of the Bakers and Alexanders and have found this to be a useful place to try to work out what it all means.




  • 261

    Mojo

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:03 pm -

    Right there says she had at least a vested emotional relationship with him outside of your professional coworker relationship that was commonly known about. Enough for her coworkers to console her, not the Alexanders or Bakers! more ugghhh!!!! Again, if it was out of character for it to happen, ok, but when most of your coworkers are sleeping around your NOT going to do things or post pics that *might* lead someone to that conclusion. Do they not think anyone else looks at MySpace but their “friends”?? Maybe they are reading this? DO YOU??

    Could be she’s so distraught over the loss of her friend that she’s posting pictures now for….no…no…I can’t come up with a sensible reason. It’s just kinda creepy, ain’t it?




  • 262

    Lizard

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:09 pm -

    Sorry, Athena, I just realized I didn’t completely answer you, because there’s also my own interest, which comes a little from growing up in the region but also my observation that Couty seemed to be walking in two worlds (as I’ve described before), worlds in which I’ve also walked (though not both at the same time). And I, too, am having trouble working out how he came to be at the place of standing behind his wife with a loaded 9 millimeter. I mean, if he was angry, what exactly was he angry about? If he felt he had reached some unbearable impasse, why shoot her and not himself? Did he actually think he could successfully pull it off and have the cops looking for “Steve” so he could avoid the ignominy of a divorce?

    Yeah, you’re right, I’m probably overthinking it.




  • 263

    Mikey1116

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:11 pm -

    What bothers me is someone posted a comment saying “I’m praying for you. We’ll get through this or something like that. What’s SHE going through???????? She lost a partner cuz he killed his wife!!!! What’s that to her? Why is she a victim??? Yes, she’s friends with him, yes we’re all distraught about it, but why is someon consoling her? Why aren’t they consoling Christa’s family or the Alexanders? Looks like she’s an attention hog…

    Exactly, SNUGGLEBB. That really REALLY bugs me. It’s like she’s trying to get all the attention and not even thinking about the victims. Tacky ole bitch. She shows no class whatsoever. For those who arent familiar with myspace, you can set a “mood” for everyone to see what your mood is when they go to your page. She has hers set to “DISTRAUGHT.” Poor Baby…




  • 264

    Mojo

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:13 pm -

    I think that’s part of it. And I think if you are certain type of Christian (not to be painting with a big honkin’ brush, but fundamentalist Protestant, tending toward those identifying themselves as one or another type of Baptist), the Bakers and Alexanders did everything right, and Couty gave every indication he was exactly the kind of man his parents wanted him to be, and then he shot and killed his pregnant wife. The response might be different if he had killed, say, a drunk black man or if there was scuttlebutt that Christa was a shrieking harridan. Also, I get the impression that many of the people who have returned again and again know or know of the Bakers and Alexanders and have found this to be a useful place to try to work out what it all means.

    Very well said. I didn’t know these folks as well as their church circles might have, but I knew them enough to admire them and the children they raised, and hope to do half as well at parenting as them. This was a blind-sided blow that leaves you re-evaluating all of your parenting skills- even the ones you have strong convictions about.




  • 265

    Athena

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:15 pm -

    What bothers me is someone posted a comment saying “I’m praying for you. We’ll get through this or something like that. What’s SHE going through???????? She lost a partner cuz he killed his wife!!!! What’s that to her? Why is she a victim??? Yes, she’s friends with him, yes we’re all distraught about it, but why is someon consoling her? Why aren’t they consoling Christa’s family or the Alexanders? Looks like she’s an attention hog for one and for another it looks like I’d be scared to death to call Acadian Ambulance for fear any of those crazies would answer the call!!!!!!!!!!

    If someone you knew and trusted did something like this, it would probably knock you on your ass. When I was younger, I found out that an acquaintence (not even a friend, per se) of mine had raped a girl. I had a hard time with it for a bit, even though he and I weren’t particularly close. Maybe she is an attention whore or whatever, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to assume that she’s having a hard time with this and might require some comfort.




  • 266

    Athena

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:17 pm -

    Fair enough, Liz and Mojo. I guess I just don’t identify with these folks. Thanks for your explanations.




  • 267

    Lizard

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:27 pm -

    Right there says she had at least a vested emotional relationship with him outside of your professional coworker relationship that was commonly known about.

    There are some assumptions being made about this MySpace friend that I’d like to point out: (1) that she was Couty’s partner (possible, but only speculation) and (2) that something inappropriate was going on between them (already pointed out to be a rumor several times).

    I have never been an EMT, but I was a juvenile detention officer, and I had a partner, and we worked 12-hour night shifts. You do develop a unique emotional relationship with your partner, because there are times when your lives–or at least your health!–depend on each other. Amongst the staff, there were a few partnerships that the rest of us wondered about, but there was never anything inappropriate that occurred between me and my partner. And if I had gotten a call saying my partner had shot and killed his wife, I would have been MESSED UP on a personal level. “I worked with this guy 12 hours every night and he SHOT HIS WIFE?!” I imagine it would be equally hard on a professional level. My superiors are going to be all over me and everyone who worked with him, and I’m not going to be able to deal with any cop or delinquent or whoever without them asking about it or making a joke. So, yeah, I’m guessing I’d like my friends to pat me on the back and tell me it will be okay.

    I guess my whole point is, we’re making a lot of assumptions based on limited “evidence” from this woman’s MySpace. Just because we can’t confirm that she has Couty’s impeccable heritage and pedigree doesn’t mean she deserves to be called a “tacky ole bitch.” In fact, all I can see on her MySpace that would lead anyone to even look askance at her is her connection to Couty.




  • 268

    Mojo

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:32 pm -

    Fair enough.




  • 269

    Mikey1116

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:40 pm -

    Just because we can’t confirm that she has Couty’s impeccable heritage and pedigree doesn’t mean she deserves to be called a “tacky ole bitch.”

    The reason she is a tacky ole bitch is that she is Publicly drawing attention to her self and not thinking of the victims. If she had any class she would handle whatever feelings she has about it privately and not publicly swoon all over the place acting like she’s a victim herself. Thats whats tacky.




  • 270

    Athena

    Jul 10, 2008 at 6:51 pm -

    Mikey, with all due respect, she IS a victim, in a sense. As I stated earlier, if someone close to an individual does something this extreme and senseless, it can be VERY difficult to deal with. Couty will most likely spend the rest of his days in jail; essentially, she lost someone, too.

    Considering there’s no evidence of wrongdoing on her part, I think it is particularly insensitive to make judgments about how she is handling this. It’s HER MySpace page - it’s not like she’s actively pursuing TV interviews, book deals, or purposely inciting rumors about Couty and Christa. The only attention she is drawing is from those who are giving her attention to begin with by going to her MySpace page.




  • 271

    SNUGGLEBB

    Jul 10, 2008 at 7:32 pm -

    I retract the bit about the not wanting the EMS folks on that myspace page to help me in times of trouble. This drama is just public. I’ll bet there’s drama in all our lives to a certain extent. I could tell yall some stuff that would blow your minds about people that I know!




  • 272

    Lizard

    Jul 10, 2008 at 8:18 pm -

    I could tell yall some stuff that would blow your minds about people that I know!

    Lord have mercy, just please don’t let it involve firearms!




  • 273

    SNUGGLEBB

    Jul 10, 2008 at 9:20 pm -

    Hahahahahahahahaha! I hear ya Lizard! No, it doesn’t, thank God! But drama drama drama!




  • 274

    SNUGGLEBB

    Jul 10, 2008 at 9:28 pm -

    On the local news here they had the article online and had a place for comments. One guy or gal called themself “disgusted.” Sounded bitter and angry about it all and starting spouting things as if they were fact. People got on him, but it was too late….he already posted stuff like Couty had a record at the Livingston Parish Court of domestic violence and Couty was having an affair with his co-worker. Now I’m almost sure Parish records/files are of public record. I could go down there and look for this, but I think he was just angry about it all and posted some stuff to make Couty look worse. Plus I have better things to spend my gas and time on. I can’t imagine him needing to look worse. He looks pretty bad already!




  • 275

    Lizard

    Jul 10, 2008 at 9:36 pm -

    I could go down there and look for this, but I think he was just angry about it all and posted some stuff to make Couty look worse.

    Whoa. That’s interesting. If anyone down in that area wants to check this out, that would be awesome. I’m feeling doubtful such a record exists, but it would be good to know either way. If there’s no record, then we can give a big “BOO” to disgusted. You’re totally right, Snuggle, there’s really nothing that could make Couty look worse. Could be that disgusted is in the same boat as the rest of us, just trying to figure out why and going a little overboard with the comments.




  • 276

    solange822001

    Jul 10, 2008 at 10:06 pm -

    What bothers me about this case in particular, and keeps me coming back hoping for an update, is that there is no motive. I want to know why. And another reason is the fact that it’s not every day that someone with an honorable profession like an EMT or firefighter who’s family is respected in the community kills their wife. It certainly is unexpected.




  • 277

    Meg

    Jul 11, 2008 at 12:16 am -

    What bothers me about this case in particular, and keeps me coming back hoping for an update, is that there is no motive. I want to know why. And another reason is the fact that it’s not every day that someone with an honorable profession like an EMT or firefighter who’s family is respected in the community kills their wife. It certainly is unexpected.

    This is exactly what keeps drawing me back Athena. That they were such a perfect couple seemingly so in love with the world ahead of them…and he just shot her in the back of the head! WHY?

    I heard those rumors about the domestic violence thing and I just think if there was any merit to it then I would have heard about it. I’m trying to figure out how to say my relationship to the family without being over the top confusing hehe. My best friend’s best friend (who is also a mutual GOOD friend but she and I are not best friends) is sister-in-law to Christa’s brother. My best friend was also really good friends with Christa and her brother. I am also friends with Christa’s brother and his wife. To see their complete shock and horror…I just don’t buy the prior domestic violence thing. Unless somebody has a record to back it up?




  • 278

    SNUGGLEBB

    Jul 11, 2008 at 12:36 am -

    “But I have watched so many RADICAL Christians fall on their face by setting unrealistic standards and their beliefs just never seemed correct to me. ”

    So if you’re not radical, then you may be luke-warm? Not trying to be sarcastic or rude at all, but if we are not passionate about what we believe and what we believe He has assigned to us in life, then what the heck are we here for? Hanging out on the internet, reading crazy posts from dudes called Lizard? LOL

    We must set our hearts on those things above. And His standards. We don’t set them. Now I’m not speaking for everyone….just myself. I set goals that I can reach and the ones I feel are handed to me from Heaven, well that’s on Him to accomplish through me.

    “The ones that look down on others for wearing pants are the very ones that commit the worst sins or in this case…murder. All these men that preach women should not wear pants are the very ones that leave their wives with 5 children for their secretary.”

    This does NOT happen in most of these types of circles…that’s why this crime is so very shocking. It just doesn’t happen….not in families like these. And they don’t put their nose down anyone. I’ve been in close relationship to families like these and it’s just their personal conviction, nothing else. My daughter wears pants and we hang out with a family that their daughters wear nothin but dresses and they love us dearly as with all the other people who wear dresses. And I’ve only known one dude that was a homeschooler that messed up. He was a pastor and married a precious girl. Had one baby then three years later had another, then left her for the girl in the group he pastored when his child was just born.

    We gotta do the best with what we’ve got and when we seek we can find Him and He indeed directs and guides us into areas that we may not go if we just think with the finite mind He gave us…..like homeschooling. Not looking for agreement cuz folks are too educated to ever believe that a simple trust in God instead of the government (public schools or whatever) can get you all that you need to be successful.

    What you do with that success is up to you, the individual. Couty did REAL BAD with what was poured into him. Actually he did the opposite of what was poured into him.




  • 279

    Lizard

    Jul 11, 2008 at 12:57 am -

    Hanging out on the internet, reading crazy posts from dudes called Lizard? LOL

    Damn, snuggle, I thought you thought my posts made at least a little sense!

    What you do with that success is up to you, the individual. Couty did REAL BAD with what was poured into him. Actually he did the opposite of what was poured into him.

    Gonna have to agree 100% with you here, no matter how crazy you might think I am.




  • 280

    SNUGGLEBB

    Jul 11, 2008 at 1:06 am -

    LOL, Lizard, you are so cool. You remind me of my brother so much. I have fun with him……he has that “foul mouth” you spoke of too. But I love him just the same!

    I think your posts are very well put and are very well thought out….you know I was pickin on you! LOL




  • 281

    Lizard

    Jul 11, 2008 at 1:09 am -

    All right, snuggle, I’ll let it slide this time and give you one of those side-armed affectionate hugs while pulling on your hair at the same time. You behave now, dammit!




  • 282

    SNUGGLEBB

    Jul 11, 2008 at 1:09 am -

    Do you folks ever sleep??? Dude I’m tired!!!! LOL




  • 283

    Lizard

    Jul 11, 2008 at 1:12 am -

    Do you folks ever sleep??? Dude I’m tired!!!! LOL

    Darlin’, go to bed. We’ll hold off till the morning. Eh, the Lizard likes to stay up late and sleep late….




  • 284

    Kimberly

    Jul 11, 2008 at 1:23 am -

    Hold up Snuggle! I am very passionate about my Saviour! Just because I don’t believe the Bible teaches that women must wear dresses and kids must be homeschooled doesn’t mean that I am not a “Sold Out Christian”. I attend church 3x a week and do my very best to put Christ first in my life. It seems that we are in the same circle so you should understand what I am trying to say more than the rest.

    We must set our hearts on those things above. And His standards. We don’t set them.

    I could not agree more. His standards….meaning God’s standards. Not standards that mankind dream up or misinterpret. Let me address one more little slur:

    Not looking for agreement cuz folks are too educated to ever believe that a simple trust in God instead of the government (public schools or whatever) can get you all that you need to be successful.

    Are you seriously going to go here??? This is the judgemental attitude that I remember all too well. Are you seriously going to suggest that I or anyone else believe that government, public schools, or anything else is more important than God or that we don’t feel that God is all you need to be successful??? God gave us a brain for many reasons and one of them would be to educate ourselves. It just doesn’t seem that you recognize the importance of education and you are homeschooling your children? Just think…what if everyone thought like you? Who would be the doctor’s that you would go to when your kids were sick?

    Then your comment about this being unusual in these circles??? I will not speak for other places, and I don’t feel right about giving names but if you are saying that it is unusual for radical judgemental men to fall off the wagon, then you are either drinking cool-aid or you must be a new comer to “this” circle.

    I do not feel like anyone in the Alexander family had that judgemental attitude that I have referred to. They are a very humble family that I greatly respect. I feel terrible for the parents, and I still can’t believe that Couty did this.




  • 285

    Lizard

    Jul 11, 2008 at 1:30 am -

    Kimberly, I think I persuaded snuggle to head off to bed. Please check in again tomorrow. Peaceful night to you.




  • 286

    Mojo

    Jul 11, 2008 at 10:44 am -

    Lizard, I am curious… There are other cases like the Caffey family and the ministers wife and mother of 3 that shot her sleeping husband that could be considered similar. After reading Athena’s question of interest in this case, I was wondering if this seemed to strike more of a nerve in some than the others?




  • 287

    Lizard

    Jul 11, 2008 at 1:56 pm -

    Lizard, I am curious…There are other cases like the Caffey family and the ministers wife and mother of 3 that shot her sleeping husband that could be considered similar. After reading Athena’s question of interest in this case, I was wondering if this seemed to strike more of a nerve in some than the others?

    If you mean will the cases involving people known to be “good Christians” be of particular interest to Christians, yeah, I can see why that might be the case. In the two cases you mentioned and in this one, their stature in their religious communities and/or their faithfulness plays a role in what happened. Of course, in the Caffey case, it all turns out to be about dumbass teenagers pulling some stupid shit because of parental control issues, and we see that regardless of the religious background (or lack thereof) of the family. I think the other one you’re referring to is the Mary Winkler case, which wound up being about 10 years of misery, and it looks like Mary got tired of the emotional abuse, nasty sex games, and anal sex. Again, a woman killing her husband under these circumstances could happen regardless of whether she’s a Christian, Muslim, Wiccan, agnostic, atheist, etc., although for Mary there could have been the element of feeling like her husband was dirtying her spiritually. Couty was beyond parental control issues and had been a married man for only four months (and nigh on impossible that Christa was abusing him or forcing him to have nasty sex), so we wind up back at “why?” I just keep coming back to this somehow being about a perceived threat to Couty’s identity–whether that be his identity as a Christian husband or an up-and-coming leader in his religious community or a successful EMT or something altogether different, I sure dunno.




  • 288

    sugarglider

    Jul 13, 2008 at 11:20 am -

    Also Sugarglider I must say I laughed after scrolling through your list there. We have occasionally made lists like that ourselves such as how to find a husband the Godly way and list all the ways women got married in the Bible (Ruth laying at Boaz’s feet on the threshingfloor, Esther attending the ball, etc). I do feel though that your list is kind of unfair in that the verses you quoted are just one verse alone and are sometimes very much out of context that way. I will not deny that in the Old Testament there are many laws about adultery and whatnot and commands to go to war and so forth but the problem is you can’t just take that incident and say “oh look God told them to go kill all these innocent people” when there is much more to it.

    Well, Meg, I couldn’t just post the whole Bible, so I posted some of the quotations that are relevant. But, you know, many people of faith pick and choose exactly as they wish from the Bible, so please don’t be offended by my doing so. In fact, lots of people of faith say they “take the Bible literally”–but while they’re quite focused on the charge against homosexuality in Deuteronomy, they IGNORE Deuteronomy’s injunction against wearing different kinds of cloth together. So, in all fairness, I’m not doing anything with my quoting that the “Christian Right” doesn’t do. Nevertheless, the OT PRIMARILY does put man as the head of woman, and that’s a fact.

    I find the story about you and your friends making those lists to be very sweet. And I hope you won’t take this as patronizing, but I also find it sad. Because that means you’re joking around as a way of trying to laugh away something that is part and parcel with Christianity for many Christians: the man is the head of woman. Your jokes about this with your friends suggest (it seems, anyway) that you’re a little bit uncomfortable with that fact.

    p.s. those quotes aren’t all about adultery. Reading them carefully even if they make you uncomfortable is pretty enlghtening about the status of women in the view of gender hierarchy that the OT indeed primarily espouses.




  • 289

    sugarglider

    Jul 13, 2008 at 11:33 am -

    I’m going to agree with Kimberly here. I’m a professor, and by far, the least-prepared, lowest-performing students I’ve had (at any college or university where I’ve taught) are the home-schooled, without a doubt.

    Hey Leemouse, what are you a professor of? This has been my experience, too, along with a sort of self-centered me-ness. Call it what you will: lack of socialization, or something else entirely, but the ability to participate in a meaningul seminar discussion just hasn’t been there from what I’ve seen. It’s not because they’ve been locked in a room and not allowed to be on baseball teams or whatever, it’s because they don’t know how to LEARN in a group setting, amongst people who may think differently. ALL homeschooled children I’ve personally taught in college have had a decreased ability to–simply put–learn from other people. They didn’t seem to have very expansive minds, because, I suppose, they’d been inexperienced about thinking expansively.

    But I will also say that homeschooled children are more likely to attend Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University, say, than the major research university at which I teach. So, my knowledge is naturally somewhat limited.

    You mean he fucked up with Eve? His original intent was to have her running around nekkid (Praise the Lord!), so Im not seein it.

    Mikey: well, according to the Talmud, he had already fucked up by first giving Adam Lilith. LOL.

    One more thing…These homeschooled kids never remember to put their names on their test papers! That drives me crazy! How hard is it to put your name on your paper. But I guess when you are the only one in the class, the teacher knows who you are. That is just a tiny example of a little thing that they don’t do. ; )

    If you’re having problems with that, tell them it’s 2 points off if they forget! Or something more dire. That might do it ;)




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    sugarglider

    Jul 13, 2008 at 11:40 am -

    I do think he knew in advance and if we do have free will, then God can’t stop it or he could stop all murder.

    So, basically, what you’re saying is that your god is NOT an awesome god? Hmmm.

    I think God is way too complex to analyze. Our simplistic minds are not made to fully understand God’s plan.

    Oh, okay, well, I feel better knowing that the murder is part of god’s plan. :)

    You know whatI find too complex to analyze? Calculus. And, also, Finnegan’s Wake.




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    Meg

    Jul 13, 2008 at 11:37 pm -

    Well, Meg, I couldn’t just post the whole Bible, so I posted some of the quotations that are relevant. But, you know, many people of faith pick and choose exactly as they wish from the Bible, so please don’t be offended by my doing so. In fact, lots of people of faith say they “take the Bible literally”–but while they’re quite focused on the charge against homosexuality in Deuteronomy, they IGNORE Deuteronomy’s injunction against wearing different kinds of cloth together. So, in all fairness, I’m not doing anything with my quoting that the “Christian Right” doesn’t do. Nevertheless, the OT PRIMARILY does put man as the head of woman, and that’s a fact.

    First off I probably have views on homosexuality that aren’t popular and I’m not going to share them here because that’s not what this thread is about. I have read the parts about not putting different cloths together and you will be surprised but SOME people DO still follow those…there are also laws against eating certain foods (i.e. ham) and some people DO still follow those. What I’m mostly concerned about I guess is that you are trying to lump a whole lot of people in the “Christian right” who aren’t because the real Christian right probably doesn’t do a lot of those things. There were a lot of commands God gave to the Israelites in the OT to show them how impossible it is to keep all the laws and be perfect. We could not do that for ourselves. That’s why Jesus came to die for us and rose again to pay for our sin debt. As far as the husband-wife thing, the only thing I know to really try to explain to you is that in the eyes of God men and women are equals but in a marriage the woman is supposed to submit to the man (according to scripture). This is because you can never have an equal fifty-fifty partnership. Someone always has to make the final decision.

    I’m not sure this is really doing anyone any good but I’m trying to see if I can make any more sense. ;-)




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    isaiah

    Jul 14, 2008 at 9:45 am -

    I haven’t read all the posts on this site. Some of what I have read are very sad in their nature. First to those “degreed teachers” who think homeschooler are poorly educated, I have homeschooled all of children. My first child scored 28 on his ACT and my second scored 26. Neither of them prepared by studying some book or anything else. And yes, there are homeschoolers who do a poor job. Realize there are alot of people I know who homeschool because the public school has kicked them out. It is the solution for them until they can get them back in the system. We work with alot of children, and if you want to brag about public school education then you need to see what I see. Of the families I know who homeschool, I would put any of them up against any public school kid. The ones who put them from homeschool to public are usually parents who don’t do a good job. For me, homeschooling is a God-given command and right. God tells us as parents to train our children in the way they should go. And yes, my children are not “smart” as to the world’s way. We believe that God created this world in 6 literal days. We don’t believe we come from monkeys and we don’t believe everything just exploded into being. And personally, I think these “educated” people aren’t real smart if they believe that. Are there good teachers in the public system? Yes, I think there are wonderful people who teach with all their heart trying to get these children to learn what is needed. Are some public kids poorly educated? Yes, and some by bad teachers and some because they do not have the home that encourages them to learn. Are there bad homeschoolers? Yes, I have witnessed that myself. Are there good homeschoolers? Yes, ones who try to give their children the best training possible. Whether the education is good or not depends on the educator. And most subjects any decent educated person could teach. Math and English is where you need to have a good foundation to teach the upper grades. With a husband who has taken Calculus 4 in college and made straight A’s through Engineering in college, I think we have it covered. But, most of the courses, even I as their mother, can teach. And with video classes and other materials, most parents can handle the material needed to teach.

    As for Couty and Christa, what can I say. I knew them both and this is a very difficult time. I don’t think we can blame the education they received, the church’s they attended, or the parents who raised them. Both of these young people had the most loving and nurturing environment any young person could have. Christa promised her parents on her graduation day that she would never do anything that would disappoint her parents or her Lord. She fulfilled that promise. Couty has been out of the protection of his home for a few years, and he has been in a worldly environment (for lack of a better world). Each of us, whether Christian or not, come to a crossroad in our life where we must decide to take the right or wrong path. We all face decisions in our life that will affect us for years to come. Couty came to those times, and sometimes he made right choices and sometimes wrong. He did not come to the place of killing his wife just in a short few months. Decisions he has been making for a long time lead up to this happening. Anyone who knew the old Couty back in 2004 who traveled on the mission trip would tell you the recent Couty is very different. Since he lived in two different worlds, each side only saw part of the real him. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. Couty was double-minded and very unstable. I think in the days ahead we will unfortunately see a very tangled life that Couty was leading. We can speculate all we want, but only God and Couty know what was going on in his life and in his heart. God isn’t surprised. He knows exacting why Couty did this. Sadly, an innocent person who loved Couty very much, lost her life. But, Christa would never want to return to this old earth. And through her death, God has used this to be a shining testimony of the grace of God. God’s ways are far above our ways, and we cannot understand why he allows what he does. I do know this, that his promises are true and he will use this to bring good. I don’t know how, but I know he will. All the forums and all the comments we can speculate will not change what happened, and we may never know all the reasons. Lets love our children more, love our spouses more, and let this tragedy be a wake up call for all of us that sin can lead us to places we never thought possible.




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    impqueen

    Jul 14, 2008 at 11:04 am -

    I haven’t read all the posts on this site.

    Obviously. With over 1000 articles, that would take awhile. :)

    Whether the education is good or not depends on the educator. And most subjects any decent educated person could teach. Math and English is where you need to have a good foundation to teach the upper grades. With a husband who has taken Calculus 4 in college and made straight A’s through Engineering in college, I think we have it covered.

    I don’t. You apparently can’t form proper paragraphs, and that’s going to be a problem for your kids.

    Wanna throw out numbers? A 26 and 28 are okay, but they’re not full-ride college numbers unless you’re sending your kiddos to Bob Jones. When you show me a kid who pulls a 34 or 35 on her ACT from homeschooling, I’ll sit up and pay attention. But how did this turn into a homeschooling issue anyway?

    As for Couty and Christa, what can I say. … Couty came to those times, and sometimes he made right choices and sometimes wrong. He did not come to the place of killing his wife just in a short few months. Decisions he has been making for a long time lead up to this happening. Anyone who knew the old Couty back in 2004 who traveled on the mission trip would tell you the recent Couty is very different.

    Well, which is it? You’re contradicting yourself. Either Couty was fooling people and making bad choices years ago, or he wasn’t. According to your statement, he was fine in 2004, but willing and able to murder his wife by 2008. So the “recent” Couty and the 2004 Couty are not the same guy? I don’t buy it. I think you, Christa, and a lot of other people got fooled. You have no idea what was in Couty’s heart four years ago any more than you know what was in it last week. Sorry, but that’s the truth of the matter.

    I have learned through experience that a girl should never marry a man she meets in church, no matter his family background, no matter how good he looks on the surface - because what you get inYoung Adult Sunday School is not even the same as what you’ll get at home.




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    sugarglider

    Jul 14, 2008 at 11:19 am -

    As far as the husband-wife thing, the only thing I know to really try to explain to you is that in the eyes of God men and women are equals but in a marriage the woman is supposed to submit to the man (according to scripture). This is because you can never have an equal fifty-fifty partnership. Someone always has to make the final decision.

    I’m sorry if this offends you, but that’s not a very good explanation, Meg. I mean, where’s your biblical evidence for why the man should be the head? Don’t you want to say something about him receiving the spirit directly from god or something? By the way, I’m sorry to tell you this, but my husband and I have an equal partnership. Yes, Meg, it’s possible. Um, I don’t mean to be rude, I mean this quite honestly: the life