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  • 151

    Bec Going

    Jul 7, 2008 at 12:39 am -

    Wonder if that rumor comes from his web page pictures. There were a couple where he was flexing his arms and they looked weirdly out of proportion to the rest of his body.

    I am anti-guns personally, and I understand that laws aren’t going to do a damn thing about someone who wants one. It’s my personal view that come from the way I was raised, where a Godly person doesn’t own handguns. Can I say something extremely controversial? I think fundamental Missionary Baptists are completely fucked up.




  • 152

    Bec Going

    Jul 7, 2008 at 12:49 am -

    “Yeah, there is no chance he would have picked up a knife, rope, club, brick, etc and killed her with that. No chance at all.”

    That’s not what I said at all. The facts in THIS case are that he didn’t stab her, strangle her, or hit her with a brick from the back where she MAY have had a chance at survival. Hurt but at least with a chance. He executed her. If the steroid rumor has any legs, I guess we can look forward to a roid rage defense.




  • 153

    Harley_Tech

    Jul 7, 2008 at 1:26 am -

    That’s not what I said at all. The facts in THIS case are that he didn’t stab her, strangle her, or hit her with a brick from the back where she MAY have had a chance at survival. Hurt but at least with a chance. He executed her. If the steroid rumor has any legs, I guess we can look forward to a roid rage defense.

    <blockquote But if Couty didn’t have a gun, Christa would be alive today …. or at least have had a chance to fight for her and her baby’s life.

    The second is a direct quote from your posting, so yes, that is exactly what you said. Fact is that the statement is not supported by logic or facts. The only reasonably accurate statement you could make given what is know is that had he not had a gun, she would not be dead via gun shot wound.

    Given the way he tried to hide it and cover it up after the crime, it is also reasonable to say she would still be dead, just by another means. This murder was planned IMO.

    R




  • 154

    Meg

    Jul 7, 2008 at 1:31 am -

    I got the steroid rumor from another mutual friend who has been talking to family/friends closer than we are. She hasn’t been on the internet I promise you that haha (but perhaps the person she spoke to was) or seen the MySpace pics. Steroids can definitely cause a massive mood swing but is it enough to make you murder your wife? Maybe, maybe not…guess we will have to wait and see.

    Oh and thanks for the help on the 1st degree/2nd degree stuff…tomorrow when my head is a little less foggy and a little more rested I may try to see if I can make sense of it and figure out what it means.




  • 155

    Bec Going

    Jul 7, 2008 at 2:08 am -

    It’s just impossible to write clarifying paragraphs for every declaratory sentence one makes and so you tend to hope that people can read between the lines. In THIS particular case and THIS particular case only, there was a LOT of speculation and assumptions going on in my head when I wrote that. You made an assumption that I needed to be told there are other ways to kill someone when you could just have easily have assumed I already knew that. But then I could assume that you … it’s just a vicious never ending circle.

    What I was thinking is that Couty is a coward. My personal WILD speculation is that he wouldn’t have had the balls to attempt to kill her in a way that required him to put his hands on her or to face her or to leave open the possibility that she would survive. That also means that I don’t think it was planned and that if he, meaning Couty and only Couty, hadn’t already had a gun he wouldn’t have gotten one for the express purpose of killing Christa. You’ll still think that’s ignorant but it’s a thought I only had because of the things that Couty and every Missionary Baptist kid have ingrained in them from the day they’re born. I can’t say it’s something that ever occurred to me in any other case of a domestic violence murder.




  • 156

    tray-bay-bay

    Jul 7, 2008 at 9:59 am -

    Given the way he tried to hide it and cover it up after the crime, it is also reasonable to say she would still be dead, just by another means. This murder was planned IMO.

    Yep! Very well put, Harley Tech! This was premeditated. He shot her FROM BEHIND! She never had a fighting chance. His plan was to kill her. If he didn’t have a gun, he would’ve used some other means.

    Personally I think he must have been fucked up about the way his parents spelled his name! Why the fuck did they spell it like that? That’s just wrong. Just saying. :)




  • 157

    solange822001

    Jul 7, 2008 at 11:12 am -

    I keep having the feeling that he was shooting the turtles to see beforehand what it was like to kill something living. You know, practicing for the real thing. If he had hunted before, then I’m probably wrong, but maybe he wanted to practice shooting something at close range, to see how accurate it was or whatever? Ugh, I’m so bad at expressing myself, I hope you guys know what I’m trying to say though lol




  • 158

    Lizard

    Jul 7, 2008 at 12:52 pm -

    A couple of interesting points raised since I last stopped in. First, a question: what was Couty’s experience with guns preceding the turtle shooting incident? Did he grow up around guns? If so, did he have mainly experience with hunting guns, or would he have already been proficient and/or comfortable with a 9-mm? Alternatively, did his experience with a 9-mm weapon grow out of his experience as an EMT? Way back when, when I was a public servant of this ilk, talk amongst ourselves was about the need to stay safe from the whack jobs we came into contact with, including perhaps the proverbial gun under the pillow.

    Second, the other “guns”–County going from skinny to Mr. Universe. I’m thinking this could be job-related. You work a 12-hour overnight shift, and if you’re not getting calls, you have to do something. I’m guessing the Acadian Ambulance employees have at least some workout equipment available. Steroids could’ve been involved, but with that many hours per day available, I bet you could pump up pretty fast.




  • 159

    Bec Going

    Jul 7, 2008 at 1:07 pm -

    I don’t think he “planned” to do it at all. If he had, he would have gotten a gun whose ballistics wouldn’t have matched the gun that he kept in the house and he would have gotten rid of it afterwards. He wouldn’t have shot her execution style while she was in a closet because you don’t turn your back on an intruder while getting clothes out of your closet so there goes his burglary excuse. The only “planning” he did was to go to work like everything was normal but he didn’t plan on how he was going to account for time of death. He did premeditate but that can be accomplished merely by the time it took to go retrieve the gun from wherever he kept it. He could have killed her others ways but we know he didn’t. I also don’t think he had ever physically laid a hand on her because she would have told someone. She told people that he was angry about the pregnancy, she would not have kept quiet if he had hurt her before.




  • 160

    Mojo

    Jul 7, 2008 at 1:24 pm -

    I have been thinking a lot about this case. Didn’t the neighbor say he saw them BOTH in the yard as he picked up turtles because she rarely ventured out alone? Was he trying to scare her? Would that be a reason to kill and retrieve a week later? Kill and retrieve 12 hrs later???




  • 161

    Lizard

    Jul 7, 2008 at 1:29 pm -

    She told people that he was angry about the pregnancy, she would not have kept quiet if he had hurt her before.

    Why on earth would he be angry about the pregnancy???




  • 162

    WryBread

    Jul 7, 2008 at 1:49 pm -

    Hippie’s shopping list: A shiny new gun for shooting shit. (just not the animal life on the farm….I’m thinking far more on the lines of those pesky human fucking critters) Just saying.

    You don’t need to shoot shit, you just kick it. Maybe that will do for most of the people, too!




  • 163

    Mojo

    Jul 7, 2008 at 1:56 pm -

    Lizard, to clarify some of your speculation, this particular service takes on more of a “frat house” mentality vs the more disciplined military aspect you may be more familiar with. They are money oriented and very politically connected. It is much LESS likely they had any workout equipment (to explain the bulkage) and much MORE probable there was more to the pictures of his partner. Relationships like that are almost expected there as is happens SO often. Disgusting really.

    That said, it seems like an explosion of right vs left. Someone who was raised in the church doing missionary work by highly respected and tight knit family meets the drudges of society doing ambulance work with his buddies with the morals of a frat party. Bam!

    And I am no church going Baptist, but if I were to see photos like that on the internet with someone of the opposite sex who spends long hours at night working with my spouse - of 4 months- in rural south Louisiana, I would be over the top mad! Given her conservative background AND the fact she was pregnant with flaired hormones and his possible roid rage…. wow.




  • 164

    Lizard

    Jul 7, 2008 at 2:08 pm -

    Thank you for the insight, Mojo. It’s struck me as odd that around the ‘net where people are commenting, we haven’t seen any of his co-workers stopping in to say how much they liked Couty (or thought he was weird, or thought he was really good with people, or whatever) and how shocked they are by what happened. Could be Acadian Ambulance told their people to keep their comments and observations to themselves lest they reflect badly on the company.




  • 165

    Mojo

    Jul 7, 2008 at 2:33 pm -

    Exactly!

    Alot of comments have been deleted from 2theAdvocate website for which they are connected.

    A few years ago there was a story in the Hammond Daily Star about 2 supervisors (on duty) having an affair and the well respected football coach husband came home early to find his wife not at work but out of uniform so to say with a fellow supervisor. 911 was called as there was some question to the husband doing more than bodily harm. The employees were threatened with discipinary action if they spoke of it, and the supervisors were later further promoted.

    Another wife and employee caught her supervisor husband in the act with one of his employees. The WIFE was suspended from duty for threatening to do bodily injury to the other employee. Wacked!




  • 166

    Lizard

    Jul 7, 2008 at 2:41 pm -

    Alot of comments have been deleted from 2theAdvocate website for which they are connected.

    I noticed that, too. However, there are still comments at the other story, including some from people who worked with him in some capacity:
    http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/22703509.html

    For example, “i am part of a group of emergency personnel who worked very closely with this crew. an entire emergency room full of staff that knew both of them noticed NO CHANGE in his normal behavior either. are we stupid? i think not. be careful what you accuse people of, obviously he was quite manipulative and we were all fooled.”




  • 167

    thepooh5

    Jul 7, 2008 at 3:13 pm -

    This will be my last post. I looked at your “about” page, so you probably know why I won’t be returning. Why Christ?

    Soshocked - let your conscious be your guide - but posting facts and opinions on this web site, in my opinion, is not violating any of OUR good Lord’s laws, as long as you speak/type the truth. While the name of the site is what it is and the “about” is about what it is - I have no problem what so ever, stating how I love God and believe Christ died to save me and everyone else. While the members may not agree with me, they accept the pooh, just as the pooh is. And, as long as, you don’t try to “force feed” them our religion - they will accept you as you are.

    While we have as many non-believers, if not more, than believers, I’m comfortable here. There not gonna corrupt me. My faith and belief in the Lord is strong. In fact, I, and you if you stay, might be the one reason that allows others to find away to believe. Maybe my continued belief in God and Christ will spread to others - maybe it won’t. But, I will say this, someone who does not already believe, will consider my words that are typed here. If I don’t type them, no one can read them. If no one can read the words, no one will consider believing them.

    Now, back to finish catching up……………………………………..




  • 168

    Bec Going

    Jul 7, 2008 at 3:31 pm -

    Why on earth would he be angry about the pregnancy???

    I thought this had been reported on but I guess it’s only from something I was told. Who knows why he was angry. I can understand worry and feeling he wasn’t ready but anger is a strange one. Anyway, he must have been hiding even darker emotions even deeper while letting that one through.




  • 169

    impqueen

    Jul 7, 2008 at 3:34 pm -

    This will be my last post. I looked at your “about” page, so you probably know why I won’t be returning. Why Christ?

    Why NOT Christ?

    In the temple at Jerusalem, who pitched a fit and told the moneychangers to get the hell out? If you’re a Christian, then you know that the Bible is clear that Christ died knowing and feeling all the sins of all humanity, and that He felt and used righteous anger as a tool. Who better to shoot a big giant middle finger at the assholes we cover than He?

    “What is done in the darkness will be brought to light”, I believe it says in, oh, Mark 4:22 or thereabouts. That is precisely what we do here, and if some Christians don’t like that we have an artistic rendering of Jesus telling our perpetrators what we think of them, then, well, it’s probably good it’s a big internet.

    People who don’t get us after reading the About Us page aren’t likely ever to get us, and that’s okay. Not all of us are Christians, but you might be surprised at who is around here. The way I see it, you’ll know the tree by the fruit. What we do here is, at least for me, more of a calling than anything else, and more worthy than anything I’ve ever done. So there’s that, too.

    Plus, I think Jesus thinks that picture is funny. I know Talking Jesus does.

    /rant. :)




  • 170

    Mandella

    Jul 7, 2008 at 3:39 pm -

    My instinct seems to go along with the “sheltered Christian boy meets real world and cracks” kinda scenario.

    From the looks of the myspace, he was just being introduced to an exciting new life. When I saw doors slamming in my face because of my marriage, I got a divorce and opened those doors. Looks like Couty took another option.

    I bet the girl he was flirty with at work probably feels like shit. It seems like the kind of situation where she probably experienced a good little tinge of jealousy at his marriage, and probably on occassion or two talked trash about Christa. Maybe she would pick on her for the long skirts, or her goody two-shoe style…little stuff. Probably Couty would laugh, all the while being convinced that more modern, secular women were more fun.

    Obviously this is all just my imagination running off with me, but it seems fairly plausible, so why not post it? (PS this is a rhetorical question; please don’t proceed to tell me why I should keep my thoughts to myself)

    Especially if he was upset at the pregnancy. If he felt trapped in the marriage before, add a baby to the scenario….

    Either way, whatever the “cause,” he took the coward’s way out.

    He murdered his young wife and their unborn baby.
    For this, he should pay dearly.

    RIP lovely Christa.




  • 171

    Morbid

    Jul 7, 2008 at 3:44 pm -

    Thanks for clarifying the Christ pic, Imp. It was used for a few reasons. One being that a lot of us here do not like religion. Another being that a lot of us here are religious and lastly, and more importantly, I thought it was funny. People can interpret the picture anyway they see fit, but just like our name and imagery, it is just our moat filled with gators, whose tongues are firmly planted in their cheeks, to help keep certain people away from the site. It has worked quite well so far.




  • 172

    impqueen

    Jul 7, 2008 at 3:48 pm -

    Thanks for clarifying the Christ pic, Imp. It was used for a few reasons. One being that a lot of us here do not like religion. Another being that a lot of us here are religious and lastly, and more importantly, I thought it was funny. People can interpret the picture anyway they see fit, but just like our name and imagery, it is just our moat filled with gators, whose tongues are firmly planted in their cheeks, to help keep certain people away from the site. It has worked quite well so far.

    Yeah, and we haven’t seen Jim Bakker since Jesus made his hair fall out, so it’s all good. :D




  • 173

    Kathy

    Jul 7, 2008 at 4:22 pm -

    Yeah, and we haven’t seen Jim Bakker since Jesus made his hair fall out, so it’s all good.

    Jesus did that? He IS magic!!




  • 174

    Mikey1116

    Jul 7, 2008 at 5:34 pm -

    Wait Im lost.

    1) On Couty’s myspace page, are we assuming that the girl in what appears to be an EMS shirt that has a cig hanging out of her mouth in some of her pics was his partner? How do we know this? Also, even if she is his partner what is wrong with him having pictures of her? Doesnt mean theyre fuckin. Men and women can be friends at work with no sexual strings attached.

    2) Also, people have implied that the myspace page indicates he was going wild or being introduced to an exciting new life or whatever. On another site someone said “his myspace page says it all” and he was “leading a double life” and stuff like that. Whats wrong with the myspace page? It looks totally mild for a guy in his early 20s. yes, there were some kinda offcolor (or at least by baptist fundamentalist standards) comments that his friends wrote in, but he didnt write that stuff. His friends/coworkers did. Do people expect him just to keep his head in a bible at all times? You HAVE to be someone accepting of the views of others that are friends/coworkers when you are baptist fundamentalist. Otherwise your labeled “Jesus Freak” and have no friends whatsoever besides your bible-toting fellow church members who think women who dont wear dresses or long skirts all the time are whores.

    Enlighten me on this.




  • 175

    Lizard

    Jul 7, 2008 at 5:50 pm -

    Mikey, no, we’re not assuming that he was having an affair with any woman on his MySpace. At least, I’m not. It’s speculation–it’s one set of circumstances that might somewhat explain how he wound up standing behind his wife and shooting her. Same with the other scenario (i.e., he was exposed to a “way of living” as a paramedic that was very different from everything he had experienced till then)–it’s something that might help make sense of what he did. Any story you read here on the Demon, you will find people speculating as to the circumstances and motive. Same’s true here. Until the authorities release more information, we’re stuck with rumors and guesses.




  • 176

    Mikey1116

    Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 pm -

    Otay Lizard.

    Well, to MOJO, when you say “

    And I am no church going Baptist, but if I were to see photos like that on the internet with someone of the opposite sex who spends long hours at night working with my spouse - of 4 months- in rural south Louisiana, I would be over the top mad!

    Which pic/girl are you talking about? And what is wrong with the pics in your opinion? Are you talking about a couple of pics where it looks like he’s kinda leaning on the shoulder of the chubby chick? Just trying to see where youre coming from. :)




  • 177

    Meg

    Jul 7, 2008 at 6:00 pm -

    My instinct seems to go along with the “sheltered Christian boy meets real world and cracks” kinda scenario.

    Mandella I am very much leaning towards your explanation of things at this point. I’ve grown up in a fairly similar circle as he (I think he was in the same homeschool organization) and I’ve noticed a lot of the current generation was oversheltered and then thrust out into the world without the capability of knowing how to deal with temptation. I’m not saying we should be tempting our kids so they’ll learn how to deal with it but…oh I don’t know, we’re blocking it out too much? I’m not sure. Anyhow Couty has only driven me to my Christian roots even more in hopes of avoiding that sort of situation.

    1) On Couty’s myspace page, are we assuming that the girl in what appears to be an EMS shirt that has a cig hanging out of her mouth in some of her pics was his partner? How do we know this? Also, even if she is his partner what is wrong with him having pictures of her? Doesnt mean theyre fuckin. Men and women can be friends at work with no sexual strings attached.

    2) Also, people have implied that the myspace page indicates he was going wild or being introduced to an exciting new life or whatever. On another site someone said “his myspace page says it all” and he was “leading a double life” and stuff like that. Whats wrong with the myspace page? It looks totally mild for a guy in his early 20s. yes, there were some kinda offcolor (or at least by baptist fundamentalist standards) comments that his friends wrote in, but he didnt write that stuff. His friends/coworkers did. Do people expect him just to keep his head in a bible at all times? You HAVE to be someone accepting of the views of others that are friends/coworkers when you are baptist fundamentalist. Otherwise your labeled “Jesus Freak” and have no friends whatsoever besides your bible-toting fellow church members who think women who dont wear dresses or long skirts all the time are whores.

    Enlighten me on this.

    Mikey, here’s the problem–you obviously don’t know the circles he came out of. Maybe here is a good parallel–it would be like finding an old-order Amish guy who secretly had a car in his shed out back. It just doesn’t happen in that circle. It’s not necessarily a bad thing to all people to HAVE a MySpace but for that particular group they would consider it sinful. So they’re kind of weird right? But the point is that he definitely had a secret life hidden from the rest of his family/friends who would have greatly frowned on the MySpace MUCH LESS the comments posted there. And you are right, he did not post them but the insinuation behind them was that he was continuing the conversation at some point, somewhere and he must have his comments set to approval only because I think we’d see a billion posts cussing him out for what he’s done otherwise.




  • 178

    Mikey1116

    Jul 7, 2008 at 6:08 pm -

    Thanks Meg ;)

    Yeah, we are probable safe to assume the myspace page was secret from his family and church members at least. I understand this group of folks can be Verrry controling and cultish. Now if he had no pics of Christa on there, Id really REALLY wonder. Or if he used a fake name. But Im sure he figured none of the other church/family folks would be on myspace (to find him under his real name) and if they were on there they wouldnt say nuttin’ cause they would doing the same thing… associating outside the clicke. Plus, the internet is for sinners huh.

    Thanks again Boo.




  • 179

    Meg

    Jul 7, 2008 at 6:20 pm -

    Exactly Mikey. Normally something like that MySpace would be just your average 20 something guy but coming from the circles he’s in that would be a BIG RED FLAG. But, it still doesn’t seem to indicate a bent towards murder. And while you are right, it DOES contain pics of Christa do you notice how they are carefully separated from any pics with others?




  • 180

    Mojo

    Jul 7, 2008 at 6:45 pm -

    Mandella, I am right with you on that theory. Meg I also agree with you too. It could have been as innocent as flirting, but much more attention than he may have ever been given even by his new wife as it would more than likely be frowned upon and considered immoral. Nothing wrong with that, they just have a moral conviction that is much more strick than the average person. I am also guessing he wouldn’t have passed those photos around the dinner table or the last church picnic as to why some may consider it a “double life”.

    Mikey, I understand you disagreeing with me. I trying to put myself in the shoes of his wife. With a strict moral standing, new husband, pregnant, and what if she saw those pics. From her vantage point the other girl is a worldly person he probably spends a lot of alone time with, and obviously being very flirtly. I would be mad as hell! I would also be embarassed that he had them there for everyone to see. If I were to find similar pics on my own spouses MySpace depicting some of the time they shared together “at work” I would be mad as hell. It is disrespectful to the spouse no matter your religion.

    I also had high suspisions as that particular group has a bad track record. Just saying. It is what it is. It happens a LOT there, swept under the rug, and most laugh about it and think its no big deal. I bet the countless other families that were broken due to divorce because of the standard of behavior they tend to hold don’t think its ok either.




  • 181

    Mojo

    Jul 7, 2008 at 7:19 pm -

    I also wondered how many hour he had put in prior to this. Anyone else thought about some sort of sleep deprived delusions? Temporary sleep deprived mania? I know a lot of systems are understaffed and have a lot of overtime out there. Just the kind of overtime that might be sucked up by someone who may have had a lot on their shoulders. New wife, new life, new baby on the way.. Those things are expensive. Don’t most wives of that culture stay at home putting him as sole provider?
    I know that is no excuse, but a lot of pressure in perhaps a pressure cooker with the other stuff. Sleep deprivation can do weird things to people.




  • 182

    sugarglider

    Jul 7, 2008 at 9:33 pm -

    It’s been interesting to me to see this discussion amongst non-Christians because I felt that I must have a biased/skewed world-view.

    Hi Meg, there are plenty of Christians (not me personally) on this forum.




  • 183

    sugarglider

    Jul 7, 2008 at 9:37 pm -

    I’m also not so sure I agree when people say, “They should have to be locked up the rest of their life, to remember what they did–that would be the worst punishment of all.” Because, if he was truly going to be haunted by the fact that he killed his wife? Probably wouldn’t have killed her in the first place.

    Partly, it depends on what one feels the purpose of incarceration is, on whether the main motivation punishment, or separating monsters from the herd to make the rest of us safer.




  • 184

    WryBread

    Jul 7, 2008 at 9:58 pm -

    Mikey, here’s the problem–you obviously don’t know the circles he came out of. Maybe here is a good parallel–it would be like finding an old-order Amish guy who secretly had a car in his shed out back. It just doesn’t happen in that circle. It’s not necessarily a bad thing to all people to HAVE a MySpace but for that particular group they would consider it sinful. So they’re kind of weird right? But the point is that he definitely had a secret life hidden from the rest of his family/friends who would have greatly frowned on the MySpace MUCH LESS the comments posted there. And you are right, he did not post them but the insinuation behind them was that he was continuing the conversation at some point, somewhere and he must have his comments set to approval only because I think we’d see a billion posts cussing him out for what he’s done otherwise.

    This is a great analogy, Meg. I understand a lot more about the nature of his church now. So this myspace page would be a step toward worldly values? Sort of like finding out your husband has joined the Playboy Club for a more mainstream couple? Not proof, not even necessarily evidence of wrongdoing, but disturbing in itself.




  • 185

    Bec Going

    Jul 7, 2008 at 10:48 pm -

    So this myspace page would be a step toward worldly values? Sort of like finding out your husband has joined the Playboy Club for a more mainstream couple?

    The Amish WAS a great analogy by Meg. Remember Christa’s father is a pastor. And Christa was raised even more sheltered away from “worldy” ways to protect her than was probably good for her. Granted he hadn’t logged into his myspace account for a while, but Christa would have been so deeply hurt by that if she saw it. I’m sure Bro. Baker if he had seen that before all of this would have been disappointed by it, too, and would not have hesitated to talk to Couty about it. He would have seen it as his duty.




  • 186

    Lizard

    Jul 7, 2008 at 10:56 pm -

    Okay, I had to go back and look at the pictures so I could make up my own mind. There is a bit of personal contact amongst him and female coworkers–nothing dirty, nothing sexual–but contact that would almost certainly be frowned upon by Christa and the Baker and Alexander families. All the photos of him touching Christa are very gentle and reserved, while the ones of him and his coworkers are more relaxed and playful.




  • 187

    Meg

    Jul 8, 2008 at 12:22 am -

    The Amish WAS a great analogy by Meg. Remember Christa’s father is a pastor. And Christa was raised even more sheltered away from “worldy” ways to protect her than was probably good for her. Granted he hadn’t logged into his myspace account for a while, but Christa would have been so deeply hurt by that if she saw it. I’m sure Bro. Baker if he had seen that before all of this would have been disappointed by it, too, and would not have hesitated to talk to Couty about it. He would have seen it as his duty.

    Yeah and I will say two things about this–first off if the MySpace had become public knowledge BEFORE the wedding, there would have been NO wedding. Secondly he last logged into his account in May which would have been well after the March 1 I think it was wedding. Definitely going to be a major issue.

    This is a great analogy, Meg. I understand a lot more about the nature of his church now. So this myspace page would be a step toward worldly values? Sort of like finding out your husband has joined the Playboy Club for a more mainstream couple? Not proof, not even necessarily evidence of wrongdoing, but disturbing in itself.

    This is pretty much hitting the nail on the head. Those pictures, while seemingly innocent, to people in that particular circle would have been extremely offensive and akin to having an affair. I myself was uncomfortable with the touching going on in those photos and if it had been MY hubby I would have been deeply concerned. It’s just something that I hope my hubby and I can work out between us (when I find my knight in shining armor hehe), you don’t have a bunch of girl friends you hang out with and I won’t have a bunch of guy friends. Obviously in this case it seems they were coworkers but still, I know other EMTs who don’t have those types of pictures with their coworkers. Maybe they do it quietly but gosh I think it’s disturbing he felt safe enough to post those on MySpace except for the fact that he obviously felt that was super safe since no one would “suspect” him of having one. So many odd things but still don’t seem to make up a murder to me…




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    Lizard

    Jul 8, 2008 at 2:01 pm -

    I’ve been cruising the ‘net about once a day to check out the scuttlebutt and found a truly odd entry today. Over at Wikipedia, someone added Couty to the entry of a particular minister, writing that Christa planned to leave him over an affair (his, that is) and he killed her because she “was ‘out from under the umbrella of his authority’ according to police interrogations.”

    That entry has rightfully been removed, but I found the wording so unusual that I wanted to put it here in case this is phraseology someone else has heard of and can shed light on.




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    Mojo

    Jul 8, 2008 at 4:14 pm -

    That is interesting wording. I bet Meg has a more eloquent insight and more insight to the church, but I will give my observation and understanding. I think their belief is the husband is the patriach of sorts. He is the head of houshold, he works outside the home and leads the family. The wife works inside the home, raising children, homeschooling etc and does not go out alone.

    I was wondering if the expectation was to be meek and subserviant. Perhaps she had information that was leading her to uncharacteristically leave him and expose this behavior to family and fellow church members (of which he appeared to be an up and coming leader)… ‘out from under the umbrella of his authority’.




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    Mojo

    Jul 8, 2008 at 5:05 pm -

    There is a very interesting quote and following heated thread p39-40 on a Fundamentalist site.

    “For the years I was in a super-standards IFBx church, the constant drumming against women by the pastor and visiting evangelists was planting the subtle message of misogyny in the hearts of my sons. After we left, I had to rebuke and re-teach my sons not to view women with contempt, just because they wore pants. ”

    Btw, the women in this group wear skirts, do not cut their hair or wear makeup.




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    Lizard

    Jul 8, 2008 at 5:14 pm -

    I have to say, considering all the reasons I can come up with as to why Couty shot Christa, I find that her being “out from under the umbrella of his authority” as the “reason” to be almost incomprehensible and truly vile. Add to that the notion that she may have had a very good reason to “step out,” so to speak, and my gorge rises. I mean, damn, we’re back to the turtles. Overpopulate my pond, pow. Question my authority, pow.




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    Bec Going

    Jul 8, 2008 at 6:13 pm -

    I read that FFF site and the whole misogyny fight (for that’s what it turned into). I have a page and a half, at least, of opinion about that. I won’t write it. I don’t think that’s at all what’s to “blame” here, but it was an interesting angle I hadn’t thought about; but I do believe there are certain males maybe already with that natural “bent” that will hear the preachings of the fundies that will come away with that message. Reading that board, these fundies are making an AWFUL lot of leaping conclusions and projections about what they think other posters are thinking or laying blame to … perpetuating the stereotype I have of the judgmental you-aren’t-living-how-I-say-you-should-be-living Fundamentalist.




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    Lizard

    Jul 9, 2008 at 1:33 am -

    I keep finding my thoughts returning to Couty and Christa, wondering why-why-why, so I come and re-read what I wrote and re-read people’s comments. I just wanted to say thanks to Meg, Mojo, and Bec for joining the discussion. And SoShocked, if you ever peek in, I value your comments too and still regret you felt you had to leave. You Demon regulars, you already know how valuable you are!




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    Meg

    Jul 9, 2008 at 2:01 am -

    I am glad to hopefully help shed light. I guess because I have lived in that sort of standard before and because I have grown up around it I understand their side of it. As I’ve grown older I’ve tempered it somewhat to balance it out to what I feel is more of how God intends us to live (I wear makeup and cut my hair, wear pants OH MY!! ;) ) but I can still see the reasons the people choose to do what they do. It’s one of the great things about this free country is you can live however you want to and if you think it’s wrong to cut your hair then knock yourself out!! The only problem is when someone goes off the deepend and they twist their beliefs into reasons to hurt others (I am thinking of someone else in my personal life, not Couty since I do not have Couty’s motive yet).

    The biggest thing I truly regret about this whole situation is that it has done exactly what I told my family it would do the night we heard it–it has turned many people against certain lifestyles rather than blaming the people who lived those lifestyles. For every Couty there are thousands of people living in a similar way who love their wives and children and live long happy lives together. Unfortunately this will turn into a “bash homeschoolers”, “bash large families”, and “bash fundamental Christians” more than anything else when it really should be about seeking justice for a woman and her unborn baby. I thank you for letting me rant a bit. :)




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    Kimberly

    Jul 9, 2008 at 2:57 am -

    I know Couty personally, and I could not be more shocked about this tragedy.

    I do not agree with the way Couty was raised, but the Alexander family raised their children in a way they thought was right. Someone commented that there was not enough attention for him with 14 kids. He may have had to do without when it came to things that money could buy, but the truth is this family put more time and attention into their kids than most. They spent countless hours teaching their children the bible, music, and many other skills. When you don’t have a TV in your house, there is more time for family bonding. I have always strongly disagreed with the way they raised their children, but they are truly good, humble people who are hurting. They are devastated by Couty’s actions and are feeling very hurt and ashamed. I do not expect them to be the typical parents that support their son even when he is wrong.

    Couty is giving the Baptist religion a very bad name. I went to church with Couty at one time and there are several families in that Church that have those radical beliefs about only wearing dresses and homeschooling and such, but this is not the norm for Baptist by any means. I do not go this church anymore. It does have a repuation for cultish actions and has had some drama to say the least. I don’t feel right about putting down on the church, but they definitely have some giant holes in their teachings, and have had some controversial characters leading the church to say the least.

    I am Baptist Christian, and I have never believed it was a sin to wear pants nor do I believe in home schooling. I feel like these radical Christians give a false interpretation to what Baptist really believe. The Alexander family lived more like a typical Amish family than a Baptist family.

    I agree with Lizards article and will not defend Couty. Someone commented that he was the classic sociopath. This could not be further than the truth. He became a troubled young man for whatever reasons and made a terrible choice. I agree with the theories that he did not know how to function in the real world after being so sheltered. I believe his marriage was kind of arranged. To my knowledge he never dated like a normal kid/young man would have. He probably just wanted to be a normal 22 year old guy who dates girls and has some fun, but all of his choices were already made for him. It is such a sad story. My heart goes out to the Baker and Alexander family.




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    Kimberly

    Jul 9, 2008 at 3:04 am -

    Oh and Bec….You are on crack. I was going to respond to your numerous ridiculous comments but they are too great in number.




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    sugarglider

    Jul 9, 2008 at 10:29 am -

    “For the years I was in a super-standards IFBx church, the constant drumming against women by the pastor and visiting evangelists was planting the subtle message of misogyny in the hearts of my sons. After we left, I had to rebuke and re-teach my sons not to view women with contempt, just because they wore pants. ”

    LOL. See my lengthy post just now on the Chaudury Rashad upholds Family Honor story. Oh heck, I’ll just paste it in here too. But please understand, Kimberly, Meg, and others, that this was written in response to a specific post on that other story that s