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Couty Alexander Showed His True Colors

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  • 101

    Unamused Cat

    Jul 4, 2008 at 2:01 am -

    It seems I missed all the fun. Anyway, good piece Lizard.

    If anyone is wondering what hellbound Couty is wearing in his mugshot. It is an anti-suicide gown.




  • 102

    Lizard

    Jul 4, 2008 at 2:12 am -

    This will be my last post. I looked at your “about” page, so you probably know why I won’t be returning. Why Christ?

    soShocked, you would have to ask Morbid why he chose that picture; the Dreamin’ Demon is his site. I am merely a contributor. However, there are no “sacred cows” here when it comes to ideologies and ideas (including Jesus Christ), and I support that. If you visited our forums, you would see that we debate and discuss a wide range of issues. We are alike in our grief over the wrongs one person can commit upon another and our outrage at what too often befalls the vulnerable. I am truly thankful that you decided to join our discussion regarding Couty Alexander, am sad you will not be posting again, but understand why this is the case.

    Morbid will soon be setting up an e-mail account for me (I am thinking the address will be lizard@dreamindemon.com), and I would feel privileged if you used it to contact me directly should you have anything you’d wish to share or discuss with me. My best to you.




  • 103

    crimenthusiast

    Jul 4, 2008 at 11:10 am -

    Excellent story Lizard! I am very jealous…LOL I would love to be able to write something even 1/8th close to that. I do write excellent business correspondence though. ;) I’m just not creative enough to write a story like this.

    My heart goes out to all the families involved in this tragedy. I would love to be able to get into the minds of criminals who just seem to snap to see what their brain is actually doing. I’m starting to wonder if we don’t all have this “conductor” that causes people to commit murder with no previous signs that they are capable of doing so.

    Thank you SoShocked for posting your comments. I too understand why you will not be spending anymore time here. We really are a good bunch of people with hearts.

    To ErikWillie, you need to grow up — If you knew anything about us, you would know that if anything ever posted here was wrong, an apology and follow comment is posted stating that we made an error. After all, we are all human and errors are a part of life. Couty did not make an error, he committed a crime. You need to learn the difference, Erik.

    I look forward to reading more great stories Lizard.




  • 104

    solange822001

    Jul 4, 2008 at 10:15 pm -

    hahaha, I was wondering what the big deal was, why SoShocked wouldn’t be posting here anymore lol. Oh Morbid, you are too much




  • 105

    WryBread

    Jul 4, 2008 at 10:32 pm -

    If anyone is wondering what hellbound Couty is wearing in his mugshot. It is an anti-suicide gown.

    What is an anti-suicide gown? Are they always black? That seems kind of depressing and mood-lowering.




  • 106

    Harley_Tech

    Jul 4, 2008 at 10:45 pm -

    I’d say it was a bullet proof vest to keep others from conducting an “assisted suicide”.

    R




  • 107

    Unamused Cat

    Jul 4, 2008 at 10:53 pm -

    I think he would have had something on underneath if it was just a bullet proof vest.
    http://www.minncor.com/correct.....degown.htm




  • 108

    Harley_Tech

    Jul 4, 2008 at 11:42 pm -

    I think he would have had something on underneath if it was just a bullet proof vest.http://www.minncor.com/correct…..degown.htm

    Works for me. I wonder if they are used for all inmates, or if those with a background like his are more prone to suicide when confined. Anyone know?

    R




  • 109

    WryBread

    Jul 4, 2008 at 11:55 pm -

    I think he would have had something on underneath if it was just a bullet proof vest.http://www.minncor.com/correct…..degown.htm

    Those gowns are UGLY, and they cost $200 apiece!!!! What is the point of the padding around the mid-torso to reduce noose constriction — who hangs themselves by the mid-torso?

    Looking more closely at the photo, Courty’s ensemble, in always classy black, seems to have a fitted left shoulder and a sort of velcro-ey closure on the right; also both shoulders are padded and quilted in the traditional pattern “slanted diamonds.” This is a subtle reference to the popular “Star of Bethelhem” design in America’s quilt heritage and a nice touch given Courty’s religious nature.




  • 110

    Lizard

    Jul 5, 2008 at 12:05 am -

    I’d say it was a bullet proof vest to keep others from conducting an “assisted suicide”.

    I noticed yesterday on the news that authorities did not have Brooke Bennett’s shithole sex offender uncle in a bulletproof vest. C’mon, surely someone will step up to the plate on this one!




  • 111

    Meg

    Jul 5, 2008 at 1:10 am -

    I feel reasonably close to the situation since my best friend was VERY good friends with the Baker family. I have discovered a lot of rumors and gossip floating around the internet about the case (what else is new!) but I think all the rumors about Christa leaving Couty or that he was having an affair, or the best one I heard yet about a domestic disturbance reported are all exactly that–rumors. I think that I know everything that HAS been made public and if I don’t know it then it isn’t public…that sounds like a genius statement but I hope you get what I mean. :-) I know everyone is going around saying how close they are to the Bakers or Alexanders so listen to them and half of them are spouting the craziest nonsense you ever did hear so I wouldn’t blame you if you add me to that list of people who claim to know somebody. It’s been interesting to me to see this discussion amongst non-Christians because I felt that I must have a biased/skewed world-view. Everyone I was talking to kept talking about how frequently it happens that husbands/fiances kill their pregnant partners and almost make it sound normal. This helps me reinforce my view that no matter your upbringing religiously, IT IS NOT NORMAL to shoot one’s pregnant wife. Something has to be seriously wrong first.

    I would like to add that the family told us the bullet-proof vest is standard issue in cases such as this so that the family does not try to kill the murderer. If we think it’s perfectly normal for husbands to shoot their pregnant wives then I’m sure it follows it would be perfectly normal for the family to want to kill them too. I also hear there still is some sort of code of conduct among prisoners and that people who mess with kids and babies still get a rough time of it in prison so I’m fairly confident they have him sealed off somewhere.

    Also although I feel pretty sure I’d be labeled as a fundamentalist by a lot of people here I have to say this–as much as I hurt for Couty’s family and as crazy and out of character as this seems to be for Couty (maybe a brain tumor, someone suggested mentioning some other assasin or something left a note behind saying he knew something was wrong with him and they found a brain tumor during an autopsy) I know that seeking the death penalty would be MERCIFUL in a case such as this. If he truly is insane enough to shoot her like that and not think a thing wrong with that, he deserves it. If he did it because of something really strange like mental illness or a brain tumor, if he ever came to himself and realized what he did he would wish he were dead.

    So there is my humble opinion if you wanted it or not. ;-)




  • 112

    Lizard

    Jul 5, 2008 at 1:19 am -

    Hi, Meg, thanks tons for posting. I think you’d find most of us commenting on this story agree with you as far as us having no real idea as to what led Couty to kill Christa–it’s all rumor right now, and I’ll keep repeating that until we hear something more official (assuming that ever happens).

    People of all religious orientations–including fundamentalist Protestants! :) –are welcome here, but our site is offensive to some, and we understand that. I just know a lot of people are hurting over the loss of this beautiful young woman, and the whole situation is a damn tragedy. As “offensive” as we may seem, we really do feel for the Alexander and Baker families.




  • 113

    WryBread

    Jul 5, 2008 at 11:01 am -

    I feel reasonably close to the situation since my best friend was VERY good friends with the Baker family … I think that I know everything that HAS been made public and if I don’t know it then it isn’t public…that sounds like a genius statement but I hope you get what I mean.

    I don’t understand what you mean here. Maybe I am just slow. Could you expand it? You know what’s public, so if you don’t know it, then it isn’t public. So you don’t know anything that isn’t public, which is the same information that we have. And if you only know what’s public, why is it of any significance that your friend used to be a good friend of the Bakers? Why does that make your statement of any more value than anyone else’s? I’m puzzled.

    And I don’t get your attitude. “So there is my humble opinion if you wanted it or not.” What does that mean? Why do you think that your opinion might not be wanted here? Where is the mix of hostility and defensiveness coming from?




  • 114

    solange822001

    Jul 5, 2008 at 1:08 pm -

    Is anyone else bothered by the fact that this guy was shooting turtles?? To me, that isn’t hunting for the sport (come on, do you really feel accomplished by hitting a turtle, is that considered a challenge?), and it’s not hunting for food, so it seems borderline to people who torture and kill animals.

    Meg, I’m glad you are posting here, but this guy seems like a classic sociopath to me. I read somewhere that he is one of fourteen siblings? If that’s the case, I can see how his true nature my be overlooked, with his parents being busy with all the kids. Also, at 22, I don’t see much of his past as being a testament to him. What I’m trying to say is, all the missionary stuff and church going and all that was done when he was a minor, and was probably done because his parents made him or expected him to, not because he wanted to.

    It wasn’t until he became an adult and was free to be himself that we find out who he really is. This is my theory:

    He WAS having an affair with his partner (his myspace page screams of someone who was not ready to give up bachelor-hood, and there are several pictures of female coworkers who might have been the other woman), the other woman found out Christa was pregnant, and realized that he would not be leaving her anytime soon because of the baby, and either called it off or issued him an ultimatum, such as make her get an abortion, whatever. He either tried and Christa refused, or he didn’t even try knowing that Christa would never consider it. I can’t help thinking that it all comes back to the baby and another woman, once the baby came, he was stuck with her for good.




  • 115

    LeeMouse

    Jul 5, 2008 at 2:07 pm -

    (maybe a brain tumor, someone suggested mentioning some other assasin or something left a note behind saying he knew something was wrong with him and they found a brain tumor during an autopsy)

    The assassin-with-a-brain tumor was Charles Whitman, who sniper-fired from a tower on the UTexas campus sometime in the mid-60s. He killed his wife and mother before going on his sniping spree. And while it’s true that they did find some evidence of a brain tumor during his autopsy, it is more than likely coincidence; out of X number of murderers over the years, one or two are likely to have a brain tumor. One or two are also likely to have cancer, or shin splints, or allergies, or what have you…just because X is present, and Y occurs, doesn’t mean that X caused Y. James Huberty, George Hennard, Martin Bryant…all your big-time mass murderers…no brain tumor.

    If a brain tumor actually made someone incapable of controlling themselves, the person wouldn’t be able to do all the planning, etc. required for such at attack. “Impulse control problems caused by brain tumors” are pretty much at direct odds with “planned execution, 12 hrs. of working afterwards, followed by attempted coverup. If brain tumors caused violence, we’d see more violence in hospital wards…and oddly enough, those who cry, “I can’t help it! My brain condition caused impulse control problems!” never seem to have a problem controlling their impulses while trying to appear the clean-cut, wrongly accused defendant, surrounded by armed guards in a courtroom.

    I’m also not so sure I agree when people say, “They should have to be locked up the rest of their life, to remember what they did–that would be the worst punishment of all.” Because, if he was truly going to be haunted by the fact that he killed his wife? Probably wouldn’t have killed her in the first place.

    There’s only one thing to explain any of this: People are selfish fuckers, and some are selfish enough to take it to the extreme.




  • 116

    Bec Going

    Jul 5, 2008 at 6:50 pm -

    I feel really late posting here tho it hasn’t even been a full week yet. I know the Baker family, not well, through members of his church. Bro. Baker’s public comments were exactly what I expected him to say and I don’t think any passage of time after allowing these events to “sink in” would change that. I’m always perplexed by the meaning of “forgiveness” and I’ve come to the opinion that it’s just an easier way of saying “I refuse to let hatred and bitterness consume me” or something like that. That’s the only way I can reconcile people using the word “forgive” when they are not really forgiving at all.




  • 117

    Lizard

    Jul 5, 2008 at 7:16 pm -

    I’ve come to the opinion that it’s just an easier way of saying “I refuse to let hatred and bitterness consume me” or something like that.

    Welcome, Bec. Very well put.




  • 118

    WryBread

    Jul 5, 2008 at 8:37 pm -

    I’m always perplexed by the meaning of “forgiveness” and I’ve come to the opinion that it’s just an easier way of saying “I refuse to let hatred and bitterness consume me” or something like that. That’s the only way I can reconcile people using the word “forgive” when they are not really forgiving at all.

    Yes, that is a very good insight into it. Thank you.

    Is anyone else bothered by the fact that this guy was shooting turtles?? To me, that isn’t hunting for the sport … blockquote>

    I can’t answer for this guy because he wasn’t going to eat them after letting them sit around for a week. But people do clean and eat turtle. I had a guy offer me one. He was shooting them in the pond because they were dragging down and eating the baby Mallards. But I don’t think that has anything to do with why Couty was shooting turtles — and his wife. It does seem kind of weird.




  • 119

    Mikey1116

    Jul 5, 2008 at 10:54 pm -

    SHOOTING TURTLES

    Lord… people read so much into stuff. People shoot turtles in their ponds because they multiply fast and eat all the fish in the pond. They’re predators to your pond fish.




  • 120

    Lizard

    Jul 5, 2008 at 10:58 pm -

    Lord… people read so much into stuff. People shoot turtles in their ponds because they multiply fast and eat all the fish in the pond. They’re predators to your pond fish.

    Thanks, Mikey. I thought that might be the case, but I don’t have a pond! Would leaving the carcasses in the pond for a week have a bad effect on the pond ecology?




  • 121

    Mikey1116

    Jul 5, 2008 at 11:19 pm -

    YES Lizard… it could start to get bad on your little ecosystem especially if your pond is small (and depending on the amount of turtles killed). So y’all dont be afraid to shoot them varmits, but as Lizard points out, take them out right away. And seal em in 2.5 gallon ziplocks and throw em in the trash if youre not gonna clean em and eat em. YEEEHAA! The joys of living in rural Livingston Parish…




  • 122

    Lizard

    Jul 5, 2008 at 11:25 pm -

    I grew up in south Louisiana and have family living about 45 minutes from Alexandria, so it makes me happy to see a…erm, “Cajun” here. :)

    So, it might not really have been odd for Couty to leave the carcasses for a week. And I know there are some members who might wonder at the apparently blase way Couty pulled out his gun and shot some turtles, but guns are a big part of the culture in many parts of the country, rural Louisiana included. My sister comments on the amount of camo observed and sky-high school absenteeism when hunting season opens.




  • 123

    Mikey1116

    Jul 5, 2008 at 11:36 pm -

    Geez, a connection to Louisiana huh? So you can relate.

    Yes, camo is everywhere and you always stay out of school the first day of deer season at a minimum. Now, when Lizard season opens you may wanna hide. Just kiddin’. We respect lizards cause they eat up all the bugs we have down here. All kidding aside, Yes… guns are a real big thing down here. His behavior in grabbing the gun and shooting the turtles is considered normal.

    And as far as not picking them up and letting them rot? I suppose that was just a reflection of him being young lazy and stupid. If he had the chance to do it all over again (which he won’t cause he’s gonna be put away) he would never make that mistake again. Those things stink really really bad (as all animal carcasses do). Peace…




  • 124

    solange822001

    Jul 5, 2008 at 11:39 pm -

    SHOOTING TURTLES

    Lord… people read so much into stuff. People shoot turtles in their ponds because they multiply fast and eat all the fish in the pond. They’re predators to your pond fish.

    yeah, you’ll have to excuse me, in my neck of the woods (miami, fl) we don’t know much about “shootin’ varmits” :) Thanks for clearing that up. However, I would like to say that there is a possibility that this guy wasn’t protecting his precious little ecosystem, maybe he just got a kick out of killing little innocent creatures? Sorry, in case you haven’t noticed, I don’t see much fun or “sport” in killing innocent animals. But that’s a topic for another day




  • 125

    Lizard

    Jul 5, 2008 at 11:40 pm -

    No worries, Mikey, I know to put on my human camo when I visit family down south, just in case. I do my bug eating surreptitiously.

    Hell, he might not even be lazy, but working 12-hour shifts will take it out of you. If it weren’t for what ultimately happened, I’d be inclined to give him a pass on leaving the turtles.




  • 126

    Meg

    Jul 5, 2008 at 11:43 pm -

    I don’t understand what you mean here. Maybe I am just slow. Could you expand it? You know what’s public, so if you don’t know it, then it isn’t public. So you don’t know anything that isn’t public, which is the same information that we have. And if you only know what’s public, why is it of any significance that your friend used to be a good friend of the Bakers? Why does that make your statement of any more value than anyone else’s? I’m puzzled.

    Okay let me see if I can re-say this because when I wrote it it didn’t sound right but I couldn’t figure out how else to say it. What I meant was there is not anything confirmed yet so ALL talk about why he did it or what was going on in that home is pure speculation. I’ve seen a lot of people talking about how they have good sources who say ____ but it is ALL SPECULATION. Complete rumors and gossip, nothing has been confirmed. Does that make sense?

    And I don’t get your attitude. “So there is my humble opinion if you wanted it or not.” What does that mean? Why do you think that your opinion might not be wanted here? Where is the mix of hostility and defensiveness coming from?

    Good heavens, I’m very sorry you took that wrong I guess my smilie didn’t make it through my edits. That was just supposed to be like there’s my two cents or something. A lot of people have been very defensive on this subject and I know my opinion on Couty getting the death penalty is NOT smiled upon by some people I know so I was just saying there you have what I think. Terribly sorry to have offended you so…




  • 127

    Lizard

    Jul 5, 2008 at 11:46 pm -

    Terribly sorry to have offended you so…

    No, Meg, I think Wry was genuinely puzzled. Only way to clear up puzzling issues is to ask. So, I’m not seeing where anyone was offended, but of course, Wry will correct me if I’m wrong!




  • 128

    Harley_Tech

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:04 am -

    The turtles thing is not without merit. History shows that most serial killers started out “practicing” on animals at a young age.

    I’m not suggesting that is what happened here, but it is a trait that serial killers exhibit early on in their killing careers.

    The fact that he left them lay after killing them would not be odd as the other turtles left behind would “clean them up” in short order. I find it more odd that he went back to clean them up after a week which in my mind could support the notion that he was attempting to hide the actions.

    I’ll bet a dollar against your dough-nut that the prosecution points to that action at trial as at least an indicator of pre-meditation.

    R




  • 129

    Lizard

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:08 am -

    I’ll bet a dollar against your dough-nut that the prosecution points to that action at trial as at least an indicator of pre-meditation.

    You stay the hell away from my doughnut, R! Damn you!




  • 130

    Harley_Tech

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:14 am -

    You stay the hell away from my doughnut, R! Damn you!

    but…but…but…you said you like it when I lick it real slow. :)

    R




  • 131

    Lizard

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:15 am -

    but…but…but…you said you like it when I lick it real slow.

    When you start throwing your “dollar” in there, that starts becoming illegal, you know….




  • 132

    Harley_Tech

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:16 am -

    and Lizard, Have I told you yet that you wrote and Out-fucking-standing article here? If I have not….ya done good Sugar!

    R

    I’m counting on this one to generate some hate mail. :)




  • 133

    Lizard

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:21 am -

    and Lizard, Have I told you yet that you wrote and Out-fucking-standing article here? If I have not….ya done good Sugar!

    I’m afraid if I merely say “thank you” people won’t realize how sincere I am. Sometimes when you sit down to write something the story tells itself, and I honestly feel like I can’t take credit for it. Just in case you will take my word I mean it: thank you. I’m actually very pleased and thankful at the range of people who have stopped in to comment. (So anyone who reads this who has considered commenting but hasn’t yet, you’re very welcome, even if you find us to generally be offensive assholes.)




  • 134

    Harley_Tech

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:29 am -

    you’re very welcome, even if you find us to generally be offensive assholes.)

    Hey now… I resemble that remark.

    R




  • 135

    Lizard

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:30 am -

    Hey now… I resemble that remark.

    I was talking about me. You…you are a cuddly bear. You know it’s true.




  • 136

    WryBread

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:31 am -

    No, Meg, I think Wry was genuinely puzzled. Only way to clear up puzzling issues is to ask. So, I’m not seeing where anyone was offended, but of course, Wry will correct me if I’m wrong!

    That’s right. I was confused. Now I understand. Thanks, Meg, for your clarification and thank you, too, Lizard.

    However, I would like to say that there is a possibility that this guy wasn’t protecting his precious little ecosystem, maybe he just got a kick out of killing little innocent creatures? Sorry, in case you haven’t noticed, I don’t see much fun or “sport” in killing innocent animals. But that’s a topic for another day

    Oh, I understand and I think you’re probably right about Couty. There’s a difference between “fun” killing and shooting a pond turtle that’s killing ducklings. I have seen people do awful things with their cars — such as swerving to run over two resting Mallards. It is beyond me why anyone would kill an animal for any reason other than food and even then it should be fast and as close to painless as possible. That’s why I no longer buy meat at the grocery store. I know too much about the meat industry.




  • 137

    solange822001

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:46 am -

    Oh, I understand and I think you’re probably right about Couty. There’s a difference between “fun” killing and shooting a pond turtle that’s killing ducklings. I have seen people do awful things with their cars — such as swerving to run over two resting Mallards. It is beyond me why anyone would kill an animal for any reason other than food and even then it should be fast and as close to painless as possible. That’s why I no longer buy meat at the grocery store. I know too much about the meat industry.

    Thanks Harley and Wry for understanding what I was trying to say. I am willing to admit that there is a possibility that the turtle shooting was for practical reasons, but I don’t think it’s far-fetched to think otherwise. Especially considering what Harley pointed out, about how strange it was that he went back a week later to pick up the carcasses, as if trying to hide something.




  • 138

    Bec Going

    Jul 6, 2008 at 12:47 am -

    Probably right about the prosecution bringing that up as premeditation. I wouldn’t think it necessary because I think juries can understand that premeditation need only take minutes, days and weeks aren’t necessary, but no one trusts juries to “get” it. I tend to think there won’t be a trial, though. I think he’ll plead out to not get the death penalty. He’s already confessed not only to police but apparently to family members so I don’t know what mitigating factors a defense attorney could muster up. An insanity defense would be futile.

    He had so many avenues open to him that he could have turned to for counseling and support to help him deal with the stresses of all the life-changing experiences, I can’t imagine why this was the “solution”. Everything I have heard makes it even more diabolical. My understanding is that the Bakers talked to them that afternoon leaving a very short few hours till he had to leave for work and everything seemed fine. You don’t shoot someone in the back of the head accidentally or in the heat of the moment while they’re gathering clothes from a closet.




  • 139

    Lizard

    Jul 6, 2008 at 1:03 am -

    My understanding is that the Bakers talked to them that afternoon leaving a very short few hours till he had to leave for work and everything seemed fine. You don’t shoot someone in the back of the head accidentally or in the heat of the moment while they’re gathering clothes from a closet.

    Bec, forgive me, but oh my God, somehow that just makes the whole thing even more heartbreaking.




  • 140

    Bec Going

    Jul 6, 2008 at 1:28 am -

    For anyone who is a member of a Missionary Baptist community or has any other kind of close ties, all of the families are very tight knit with constant communication (My first knowledge of it was within 6 hours of when Couty first “discovered” her and placed the 911 call and I am not an “insider”). So my first thought was wondering when the last time anyone had talked to Christa on the phone was because it surely couldn’t have been more than 24 hours. To know that it was 2-3 hours … what could possibly have happened. I understand the Bakers’ decision to “forgive” and to decide not to harbor anger, but Couty was obviously loved and accepted by them long before Christa married him — he stood up in her brother’s wedding 2 years before this — in addition to having gone through a courtship and Bro. Baker giving permission for his daughter’s hand that Couty would love and protect and care for her, how do you NOT feel betrayed as a father, mother, and brother?




  • 141

    Meg

    Jul 6, 2008 at 1:30 am -

    That’s right. I was confused. Now I understand. Thanks, Meg, for your clarification and thank you, too, Lizard.

    Oh good hah I was thinking for gosh sakes my first post and I made people mad. :)

    I must have forgot in my post to mention about the turtles but my friend didn’t seem to think a thing about turtles and said something along the lines of thinning out the turtle population. I do think it’s odd though that he should kill them and then clean them a week later? I mean by then aren’t they a stinky nasty mess??

    Can anyone explain to me what the reasoning would be behind “first degree infanticide” and only second degree murder for Christa? The legal jargon, what are the differences between those and why would they give first over second or vice versa?




  • 142

    Harley_Tech

    Jul 6, 2008 at 1:31 am -

    My understanding is that the Bakers talked to them that afternoon leaving a very short few hours till he had to leave for work and everything seemed fine. You don’t shoot someone in the back of the head accidentally or in the heat of the moment while they’re gathering clothes from a closet.

    Now that is a sick fuck that can sit talking to the parents and more likely than not be planning to shoot her right after they leave. I don’t think the best crime novelist could write this shit.

    The more I read about this twisted fuck the more I think he need to die a painfull slow death.

    R




  • 143

    WryBread

    Jul 6, 2008 at 1:40 am -

    Now that is a sick fuck that can sit talking to the parents and more likely than not be planning to shoot her right after they leave. I don’t think the best crime novelist could write this shit.

    I had the same thought when I watched the video of the 14-year-old who killed Dymia. How could he sit there and talk to the reporter and say he was the “safety kid” and watch his mother practically have a breakdown on camera because she thought he was being wrong accused? I don’t understand it, but then there’s a book called, “The Mask of Sanity” about sociopaths. Somehow there just seems to be more to it than they are good pretenders.




  • 144

    Lizard

    Jul 6, 2008 at 1:41 am -

    Bec, I don’t know how they could not feel betrayed. I only know the families have shown incredible kindness and grace in a time of overwhelming grief and confusion. I’m so sorry that Couty somehow found himself at a place in his heart and mind that would lead them here.




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    Lizard

    Jul 6, 2008 at 2:01 am -

    Can anyone explain to me what the reasoning would be behind “first degree infanticide” and only second degree murder for Christa? The legal jargon, what are the differences between those and why would they give first over second or vice versa?

    Meg, thanks for the reminder, I’ve been meaning to check into the La. criminal code. It appears that 1st-degree murder in Louisiana requires something more than intention, while this is not the case in 1st-degree feticide:

    Second degree murder is the killing of a human being:
    (1) When the offender has a specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm; or
    (2)(a) When the offender is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of aggravated rape, forcible rape, aggravated arson, aggravated burglary, aggravated kidnapping, second degree kidnapping, aggravated escape, assault by drive-by shooting, armed robbery, first degree robbery, second degree robbery, simple robbery, cruelty to juveniles, second degree cruelty to juveniles, or terrorism, even though he has no intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm.
    (b) When the offender is engaged in the perpetration of cruelty to juveniles, even though he has no intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm.
    (3) When the offender unlawfully distributes or dispenses a controlled dangerous substance listed in Schedules I or II of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law….
    (4) When the offender unlawfully distributes or dispenses a controlled dangerous substance listed in Schedules I or II of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law to another….”

    First degree murder is the killing of a human being:
    (1) When the offender has specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm and is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of aggravated kidnapping, second degree kidnapping, aggravated escape, aggravated arson, aggravated rape, forcible rape, aggravated burglary, armed robbery, assault by drive-by shooting, first degree robbery, second degree robbery, simple robbery, terrorism, cruelty to juveniles, or second degree cruelty to juveniles.
    (2) When the offender has a specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm upon a fireman, peace officer, or civilian employee of the Louisiana State Police Crime Laboratory or any other forensic laboratory engaged in the performance of his lawful duties, or when the specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm is directly related to the victim’s status as a fireman, peace officer, or civilian employee.
    (3) When the offender has a specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm upon more than one person.
    (4) When the offender has specific intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm and has offered, has been offered, has given, or has received anything of value for the killing.
    (5) When the offender has the specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm upon a victim who is under the age of twelve or sixty-five years of age or older.
    (6) When the offender has the specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm while engaged in the distribution, exchange, sale, or purchase, or any attempt thereof, of a controlled dangerous substance…
    (7) When the offender has specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm and is engaged in the activities prohibited by R.S. 14:107.1(C)(1).
    (8) When the offender has specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm and there has been issued by a judge or magistrate any lawful order prohibiting contact between the offender and the victim….
    (9) When the offender has specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm upon a victim who was a witness to a crime or was a member of the immediate family of a witness to a crime committed on a prior occasion….”

    First degree feticide is:
    (1) The killing of an unborn child when the offender has a specific intent to kill or to inflict great bodily harm.
    (2) The killing of an unborn child when the offender is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of aggravated rape, forcible rape, aggravated arson, aggravated burglary, aggravated kidnapping, second degree kidnapping, assault by drive-by shooting, aggravated escape, armed robbery, first degree robbery, second degree robbery, cruelty to juveniles, second degree cruelty to juveniles, terrorism, or simple robbery, even though he has no intent to kill or inflict great bodily harm.”

    Second degree feticide is:
    (1) The killing of an unborn child which would be first degree feticide, but the offense is committed in sudden passion or heat of blood immediately caused by provocation of the mother of the unborn child sufficient to deprive an average person of his self control and cool reflection. Provocation shall not reduce a first degree feticide to second degree feticide if the jury finds that the offender’s blood had actually cooled, or that an average person’s blood would have cooled, at the time the offense was committed.
    (2) A feticide committed without any intent to cause death or great bodily harm:
    (a) When the offender is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of any felony not enumerated in Article 32.6 (first degree feticide), or of any intentional misdemeanor directly affecting the person; or
    (b) When the offender is resisting lawful arrest by means, or in a manner, not inherently dangerous, and the circumstances are such that the killing would not be first degree feticide under Article 32.6.”

    What this suggests is that the crime was not committed in a “heat of passion.”




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    Hippiepoet

    Jul 6, 2008 at 2:11 am -

    Lord… people read so much into stuff. People shoot turtles in their ponds because they multiply fast and eat all the fish in the pond. They’re predators to your pond fish.

    Well maybe you just have Killer fucking turtles where you live, because I’ve lived on a farm 1/2 my life and we have a pond and we’ve never had to shoot the turtles. I’ve chatted with a couple of the old ones…..shitfire I could never shoot ‘em. But fuck, I don’t even own a damn gun.

    Hippie’s shopping list: A shiny new gun for shooting shit. (just not the animal life on the farm….I’m thinking far more on the lines of those pesky human fucking critters) Just saying. ;)




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    Unamused Cat

    Jul 6, 2008 at 2:34 am -

    They are for inmates that may show an indication of harming themselves. or other.




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    Bec Going

    Jul 6, 2008 at 1:59 pm -

    The turtle thing is probably not any different than countless males of all ages. This is Louisiana. It angers me to realize how many boys not old enough to drive a car are excitedly given guns by their fathers as a rite of passage and allowed to joy ride on ATVs. Well, nothing bad happens most of the time so it’s okay. But if Couty didn’t have a gun, Christa would be alive today …. or at least have had a chance to fight for her and her baby’s life. That’s the way things are in Louisiana. That’s the way they’ve always been. That’s the way they always will be. Which is great if you’re a white male.




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    Meg

    Jul 6, 2008 at 11:57 pm -