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Couty Alexander Showed His True Colors
Created on July 01st, 2008 by Lizard now with 20,258 views
Tags: Christa Alexander, Couty Alexander, Murder, Shooting
Category Murder| Shooting| Uxoricide| domestic violence |
738 responses so far ↓
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Lizard
Jul 2, 2008 at 2:47 pm -I hate it, too. I grew up in the south in a fundamentalist family. Although I used it purposely (tiny black joke to self), I cringed when typing it.
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sugarglider
Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 pm -LOL! I just didn’t want things to get waylaid for ErikWillie. Yes, you’re right, of course. I don’t know of any christians who don’t pick and choose what they want from the bible, all the while protesting that they “take the bible literally.” So, you know, Deuteronomy says something about homosexuality being bad, but they ignore the part of Deuteronomy about mixing different types of cloth together in their clothing.
So many on that Baptist forum are blaming the devil and sin. Not Couty. Mind you, these same people probably bitch about how other criminals blame society instead of taking responsibility for their crimes. Too ironic.
And, of course, let’s not forget how many evils of the world–including a great many of the major wars and mass atrocities–have been done in the name of someone’s god or other.
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Lizard
Jul 2, 2008 at 2:56 pm -I wouldn’t be surprised if ErikWillie10 is one of the posters there. I can see it being a big issue that, as Solange pointed out, our site has “demon” in the name and theirs has “fundamental.”
I read all 19 pages of comments and have to shake my head. Knowing how we get lambasted for “spreading gossip” and bestowing guilt prematurely, I thought the folks there give us a pretty good run for the money (sans the use of “fuck” and “goddamn,” of course). Shit, someone is already bemoaning the fact that Couty going to Angola equates to a death sentence.
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sugarglider
Jul 2, 2008 at 3:02 pm -They even blamed “society,” as a matter of fact, in the forms of both “peer pressure” and “liberals.”
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michelle
Jul 2, 2008 at 3:08 pm -Propaganda, a bunch of bullshit propaganda.
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Athena
Jul 2, 2008 at 3:15 pm -Man, man, man…As much as I hate nanny-state politics, reading those quotes makes me feel incredibly lucky for being born into a liberal family in Seattle.
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sugarglider
Jul 2, 2008 at 3:16 pm -Athena, you just reminded me of this time one of my students went off on a random tangent about religion (religious studies is not my field). He said, “without fear of god, there is no incentive for people to be good.” I just thought, DAMN, how horrible of a person ARE you that you can’t make decisions to be good without the fear of hell inspiring you to make those decisions?” I mean, really. I do suspect Couty will come out with some version of “the devil made me do it,”which is the most unaccaptable copout of all time.
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jenjen0135
Jul 2, 2008 at 3:19 pm -All I am saying is that he has to be careful about how he expresses he “wants” for justice, while he has so vocally forgiven Couty. He doesn’t have to ASK a court to judge him. It will happen, and I am SURE that the family won’t argue with the sentence when the time comes. I imagine that they are still in shock at this point and may be in some kind of denial.
According to the way the fundamental folks write it, just because he was a good boy and the family was just wonderful, that this is all a big mistake and that he should be slapped on the wrist or something like that.
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sugarglider
Jul 2, 2008 at 3:21 pm -Signing off now (why is DD so addictive? Oh, right because it’s the Dreamin DEMON, so I shan’t hold myself responsible), but did you see the comments–completely tangential comments–about abortion? The subject at hand, one would think, would be the murder that just took place in their community. Odd turn of conversation.
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sugarglider
Jul 2, 2008 at 3:23 pm -Gotcha. (Although, maybe they will decide in the end that hellfire and brimstone is enough punishment…that would seem to be the “true believer” thing to do, although even that goes against “forgiveness.”)
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Athena
Jul 2, 2008 at 3:32 pm -Haven’t seen the abortion comments and am scared to look. I am so disconnected from the type of thinking exhibited in those comments, I’m not sure I can properly digest them any more. Perhaps I read the abortion comments and my brain rejected them like an intolerant stomach rejects dairy products. I think I’d rather work to keep milk down, but religious fanaticism can be fascinating in a bad accident sort of way.
@_@
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petrina
Jul 2, 2008 at 5:59 pm -i want to distance myself from any talk of religion, and get back to…
why the heck did couty kill her? what would cause him to do such a thing? i feel so bad for her friends and family, and i am so puzzled about what possible personal anguish would cause him to pick up a gun and shoot his own wife of 3 months.
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anneinchicago
Jul 2, 2008 at 6:02 pm -Well, in defense of the people on the Fundamentalist Board. they seem (mostly) as shocked and appalled as we are. Compounded by the fact most knew both families. Christa’s father is a well known pastor in the area (I think) and Couty father is very involved as well. The similarities between us and them are there- Well, except we want his head on a pike and we swear and they don’t swear. And seem to be trying to practice their faith by trying to forgive.
I think Christa’s father’s community standing and pastoral responsibilities have a lot to do with his public statements.
God, what a cold-blooded, conniving son of a bitch (Couty/Cody not Christa’s father)
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petrina
Jul 2, 2008 at 6:34 pm -conniving how? see - i think i have lost all facts about the case trying to block out all the religion talk. how was he conniving? that he said he came home to his wife dead? i really feel like i know so little about the incident.
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Lizard
Jul 2, 2008 at 6:38 pm -I didn’t really mean my comparison as a criticism of them. I’m thinking of the folks who show up in the forums complaining about us “talking shit” and “what about innocent until proven guilty.” Some would see the Din as diametrically opposed to the Fundamentalist board, but while their take on things is slightly different from ours, we’re all still expressing the same horror and dismay. I have to say, my jaw dropped in the early entries where there’s talk of Christa having been raped, since I’d heard nothing about that anywhere else. I’m really curious as to the source on that.
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Concerned Citizen
Jul 2, 2008 at 6:40 pm -Amen to that! (snicker)
If this were to happen to me or anyone else in my family, I would actually take more offense if you didn’t run his ass through the mud. Public shame should be the very least of his worries now. And there’s no sense in praying for him, the book they so adamently follow clearly says “Thou shall not kill”. Doesn’t leave much room for interpretation now does it?
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michelle
Jul 2, 2008 at 7:18 pm -Can I get another amen from the congregation?
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Morbid
Jul 2, 2008 at 7:48 pm -Added video consisting of initial arrest and also the video of the father forgiving Couty.
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michelle
Jul 2, 2008 at 8:03 pm -I am sorry but I fucking disagree with the video. I would rather be here, alive. RIP and sympathy for the family. Glad they have their faith.
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michelle
Jul 2, 2008 at 8:04 pm -Hey Pooh, I posted #69! Yeah, baby.
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Lizard
Jul 2, 2008 at 9:06 pm -Wow, you’re just a video-adding fool tonight!
Thanks, Morbid.
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WryBread
Jul 2, 2008 at 10:21 pm -This man also is in shock. His daughter’s disappearance from his family’s life has not begun to set in. There’s still the activity of arranging a funeral, talking to people, comforting people. Wait until the cold weeks begin to pass and he really understands that with one shot this man robbed his family of a large part of its future.
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WryBread
Jul 2, 2008 at 10:26 pm -I want his head on a pike. And I’ll swear about it. Poor young girl. I want so much to know what explanation Couty-boy has to offer.
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luckycat37
Jul 2, 2008 at 11:28 pm -I went to douchebag’s myspace and his buddy Cupcake sounds really hurt and disappointed. Awwww. (sarcastic)
She feels she has been back stabbed by some folks not sure if she means him or other friends are ganging up on her for some reason.
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soShocked
Jul 3, 2008 at 12:44 am -I’ve known the Alexander family for years. I’m probably considered to be one of the conservative religious “extremists” disliked by many of the bloggers here. That’s fine, I’m not here to discuss religion. I wanted to let Lizard know that I agree with his article. The language can go, but I understand the anger. I’m not sure what Erik is trying to say, but be merciful, he sounds very young, and like the rest of us, very distraught about what has happened. If you knew the Alexander family, you would understand. I’ve always considered them to be a “picture perfect” family. Couty was always polite and well-mannered. He’s the last guy I would ever think could do this. I checked out his myspace. It does look like he had a “secret” life unknown to many. It appears he had a few wild oats to sow, and should have waited on marriage. I don’t see anything here that points to murder though. I read in the paper that a neighbor saw him the day before scooping out the dead bodies of turtles he had shot the week before. This grossed and creeped me out at the same time. Were they target practice or something? I wonder… do kids that go around popping off animals without any remorse find it easier to turn the gun on a human as opposed to kids that aren’t raised with guns or who are taught to use them responsibly? I’m not jumping to conclusions, just a thought…. trying to make some sense out of all this.
I agree that Mr Baker believes he has a responsibility to forgive Couty. Kind of a “practice what you preach” philosophy. I don’t think anyone expects him to forgive Couty this soon. He hasn’t even buried his daughter yet. It’s only natural to be angry at this stage of grief. My heart goes out to him and his family.
Couty not only took the lives of two innocent people, he also has devestated the lives of two wonderful families. I pray for all the victims involved. I am waiting to here what Couty has to say for himself.
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WryBread
Jul 3, 2008 at 4:50 am -Welcome, SoShocked, and thank you for posting. But the above is some sort of typographical error, right? It pretty clearly was murder.
Or do you mean that nothing you know about Couty made you think he might be capable of murder?
Are people in your church encouraged to marry at a very young age? Are they encouraged to “sow their wild oats” or to repress a desire for adventure and wild living and get married and instantly have children?
I, too, am curious to see what Couty says for himself.
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thepooh5
Jul 3, 2008 at 8:23 am -And a big two-panty toss to you……………..
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Athena
Jul 3, 2008 at 11:40 am -All very well stated, SoShocked. Please, don’t consider yourself unwelcome, here. My distain is with the religion itself, not with the devout, necessarily.
I, too, am very curious to hear (if anything) what Couty has to say about all of this. My sympathies, if this tragedy has affected you personally.
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soShocked
Jul 3, 2008 at 11:45 am -Sorry I wasn’t clear with that sentence. “I don’t see anything here that points to murder” is referring to his myspace. For example, if signs of adultry were here, that would be a motive. That wasn’t the case, from what I read. His conversations didn’t seem like that of a young man getting married/newly married to me, but it doesn’t look as if he crossed the line to adultry.
I’m just searching for a clue as to what Couty may have been thinking or a possible motive. As you can see, I’ve come up with nothing. Before Sunday, I thought Couty was a top-notch guy. I’m wondering how I could have been so easily fooled.
I can’t speak for everyone in my church (it’s very large), but the people I know encourage their children to go to college and get an education before they get married. This gives young people plenty of time to mature and become responsible adults. When you get married, you are expected to settle down, and put your single life aside, for good.
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Lizard
Jul 3, 2008 at 12:04 pm -Welcome, SoShocked, and thanks for commenting. I saw the mention of the turtles, too. If I read correctly, he had shot the turtles the weekend before, and it’s the fact that a week had gone by before he scooped out their carcasses that I thought was weird.
We’re all waiting to discover motive. The one possibility I haven’t seen raised is that she discovered something “terrible” about him and was going to tell someone else (and he didn’t want it revealed). For example, if he had been spending a lot of time looking at porn or had harmed a child–something about which she would feel she needed guidance. It would make sense for her to go to, say, her father or their own minister if there was something going on that she felt had real spiritual implications.
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Athena
Jul 3, 2008 at 12:06 pm -I don’t know that you were fooled at all, SoShocked. Couty may very well have been that top-notch guy you speak of, right up until immediately prior to the murder. The capacity to commit heinous acts isn’t necessarily a compulsion that needs to be supressed. In all likelihood, he didn’t even know it of himself until he hatched the plan.
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Lizard
Jul 3, 2008 at 1:36 pm -A commenter at one of the stories posted at theadvocate.com claims that Couty
…was raised his whole life to have a pure and wholesom life. He was kept close to home, close to his parents, siblings and church his whole life. Then he was set out into a world totally different than he’d known his whole life, and expected to know how to survive. However, he was still supposed to do what was expected. Meaning, his marriage was and arranged marriage. I’m sure being a paramedic, he experienced and seen things he’d never knew before. He WAS having an affair with his partner.
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michelle
Jul 3, 2008 at 1:37 pm -Thanks you sexy bear. I so wanna internet kiss you. *smack*
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michelle
Jul 3, 2008 at 1:42 pm -He WAS having an affair with his partner? Is this for sure or rumor? What’s her name? Is she talking?
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funkmama
Jul 3, 2008 at 1:43 pm -Makes me want to die a spinster…
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Lizard
Jul 3, 2008 at 1:45 pm -Consider it rumor.
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soShocked
Jul 3, 2008 at 1:49 pm -Athena, that’s true, maybe something went wrong with Couty in the last few months. I know the family, and I know how he was raised. He was a very good kid. But I’m not buying the “temporary insanity” defense for two reasons:
One, he shot her in the back of the head. This is not the typical “crime of passion” type shooting that would happen during an argument or confrontation. She would have been shot from the front. Getting shot in the back of the head sounds like she didn’t even see it coming. This doesnt fit the “crime of passion” defense.
Two, he was able to go to work for 12 hours and keep his cool. This is a long time for someone to be “temporarily insane”. A couple hours maybe (still insane), but not 12 hours.
I’m leaning more towards premeditated murder which means there is usually a motive. This is just my opinion. I’m not sure on the legal reasons for not charging him for first degree murder. Maybe motive and premeditation are just harder to prove.
Lizard, right now I’m open to any motives. Nothing can shock me anymore than I already am. I do think Christa was the kind of girl that wouldn’t want to worry those who love her. I can’t imagine telling someone my husband is a jerk when I’d only been married 4 months and expecting a baby. Especially when everyone thinks your husband is great.
Christa’s funeral is going on as I type. I didn’t go because I don’t personally know the Baker family. I have several friends that are going. Everyone that knew Christa says she was the kindest, sweetest girl. She has two older brothers that were always loving and protective of her growing up. She was their only little sister. I’ve been praying for all of them this morning.
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michelle
Jul 3, 2008 at 1:50 pm -Cool, thanks.
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Athena
Jul 3, 2008 at 2:10 pm -SoShocked, I wouldn’t buy an insanity defense, either. Everything we know about his actions following the crime speak to a level of deliberation unexhibited by people who are disconnected from reality.
Premeditation can be very difficult to prove, although, should they be able to before a trial were to start, they are free to increase the level of the charge. There’s no fixed time period that determines whether the act was premeditated or not, so it can be different in every case. Or, perhaps they cut him a “deal” in return for his confession? Who knows. Either way, 2nd degree combined with the other charges should be plenty to keep him locked up for life.
If he truely was raised under such ideal circumstances, it’s absolutely tragic that he could not see another way out of his situation, assuming that was his motive.
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funkmama
Jul 3, 2008 at 2:54 pm -I would like to spit out some words of wisdom right now but am currently incumbered by being a total and complete moron. I have wrote…idk… 3 comments and managed to erase every one of them. Yay, Funk for being such a dolt!
That being said: Have I told you guys lately that I fucking love you. You foul-mouthed blunt motherfuckers. Oh shit, am I using obscenities again. Dammit! I’m going straight to hell in a handbasket…
This is a heartbreaking story as Christa is the poster-child of Purity. Hell, she even looks the part. A girl like that, who is seemingly so honestly virtuous, deserved to enjoy her precious baby and her new family. To have it all stripped away while her back was turned… Where is the justice in that? What could have been going through Cunty’s head when he did this? He was obviously a sociopath, were there no warning signs before? Is it just me or is this remenescent of the Scott Peterson case? I am curious to see what information comes out about his motives. I place my bets on another woman.
RIP Christa. Williewhateverthefuckyournameis10 go back to your fundamentalist forums. We don’t defend MURDERERS her on the Dreamin Demon.
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sugarglider
Jul 3, 2008 at 3:11 pm -It was b.s. to the tune of “sad to say the same people that will want to give Couty the death penalty don’t mind supporting abortion.”
The religious aspect, and his background, would all seem to be germane. How can you think about why he killed her without considering his whole background?
LOL, truly. Religion can be a great comforter…Marx called it the opiate of the masses…many people even stay in horrid situations because they believe that meekness inherits the earth and because they are able to tell themselves that this life isn’t important and they’ll be in heaven one day…I wonder how long Christa told herself those sorts of things and stayed in this marriage longer than she might have…long enough to finally get her killed when she tried to leave.
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sugarglider
Jul 3, 2008 at 3:16 pm -SOSHOCKED:
You said,
Just speaking for myself here, I believe we’re all free to have whatever religious beliefs we want to have and are moved to have, and free to make whatever personal, private contracts we wish with any god of our choosing. I just don’t support anyone–Muslim, Christian, Jew, whatever–who tries to make other people conform their own personal lives to fit another person’s religious beliefs. If I did, Iwould move to a country that has a theocracy in place. America is not that country. That said, the only reason religion came up is because of EricW10’s posting.
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Lizard
Jul 3, 2008 at 3:21 pm -Oh, I was envisioning something more along the lines of her seeking spiritual guidance to be a good wife to Couty and protect their marriage, not to give people a bad impression of him. For example, if your husband has a problem with Internet porn, you might ask your pastor how to support someone who “might be” spending “too much time” thinking about sex. Of course, I’m still working under the assumption that rumors of her leaving him are just that, rumors still.
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sugarglider
Jul 3, 2008 at 3:24 pm -SoShocked, may I ask if her family, or his, or her friends, or anyone was aware that she wanted to leave him? Is divorce rare in your community? Do you think her family or pastor (well, her father IS the pastor) would have discouraged her from doing it, if they knew? I’m just trying to get a fuller picture of things here.
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soShocked
Jul 3, 2008 at 4:53 pm -Sugarglider,
“Patience is a virtue” (not a bible verse, just a saying lol) and a little tolerance can go a long way. With that said, I see impatience and intolerance being practiced by both christians and non-christians. I’ve checked out the fundalmentalist forum, and what I see here is nothing more than people like Erik that are somewhat dazed and stunned and still in denial as to what has happened. The Alexander family is a very popular, well liked family. I was in denial myself when I first heard. I thought for sure the police must have coerced Couty to confess to a crime he didn’t commit. Then I thought it must had been an accident and he just freaked. But as the facts surfaced, the reality of the crime set in. Some people just haven’t reached the level of acceptance yet. This is not unusual.
Divorce is definitely rare among the christians in our area. It’s not unheard of though, and I can’t think of anyone that would want their daughter to stay in any kind of an abusive relationship. I can’t speak for Christa’s father, but I think…his only daughter, his baby girl, his little princess… no way he would have let her stayed if he had known. I think Christa was probably too embarrassed to say anything, she didn’t want to worry anyone, and she probably thought she could work it through herself. To have your marriage fail after only 4 months, with a pregnancy, would be devestating for christians and non-christians alike.
Lizard, she may have asked for help in a hypothetical way like that, that’s a good point. I hope the police will interview everyone she knew. It’s possible she may have said something.
I’m also hearing rumors of an affair from close sources. Just rumors still.
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WryBread
Jul 3, 2008 at 5:54 pm -Life for him would be better with Christa dead and the baby was probably incidental. So either she knew something about him that would destroy his world if known generally, or her presence was preventing him from doing something he wanted very much.
He decided he could free himself. He shot her, went to work, came home and pretended to have found a murder victim (which he did, but he was the murderer, this is the part that he hoped to keep secret). He hoped to be a victim and whatever happened next would be in a cloud of sympathy and love.
I think there was something that he wanted very much to do and she was in the way. I’m voting for the affair theory. A few months of sorrow, a second church wedding, he’s a widower who has found renewed happiness in life after the tragic murder of his first wife.
All of the above is pure speculation, but I’m placing my bet that this comes down to selfishness.
RIP poor young woman.
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soShocked
Jul 3, 2008 at 8:48 pm -Wrybread,
You may have hit the nail on the head with that scenario. The only missing piece is… what was the “something”. Another woman? maybe. One thing for sure, whatever the something was, it won’t be in prison. I’ve heard prisoners don’t like baby killers. I wonder if he’s fully realized the consequences of his actions yet. Woe to Couty.
It seems the local news has dropped the story. I was even surprised that it wasn’t picked up nationally. It was very similar to the Scott Peterson case. The fact that he is an EMS worker is just too weird. It’s scary to think that a story this horrendous isn’t worthy of more than 3 days of local news coverage. It wasn’t in the local paper today either. Is this kind of “stuff” more common than I realize?
I won’t forget, EVER. I’ll be sure to remember to tell my kids when they get married (several years down the road) that they are always welcome to come back home if their marriage goes wrong. I’ll tell my children to remember to tell their children the same….. in memory of the lovely Christa and her unborn baby.
I’ll keep you all posted of any news (since the press isn’t covering this anymore) if you’re interested in knowing the outcome.
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Lizard
Jul 3, 2008 at 9:01 pm -Unless there are friends and family members that want to (and are free to) talk with media, further coverage will probably center around official events (mainly court dates)–I was thinking there’d be something today because of Christa’s services–because at this point they’d just be going over what we already know. It also depends on what else is going on in the world. The circumstances surrounding Brooke Bennett’s death are getting a lot of attention now since they are so horrific. But, alas, yes, this kind of stuff is sickeningly common.
Please do share anything you learn. I will be watching as well and will post anything I find here. I’m also following the thread at the Fighting Fundamentalist board; a member there attended Christa’s services.
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Hippiepoet
Jul 3, 2008 at 11:34 pm -“erik_willie_10
Jul 2, 2008 at 11:44 am -
You know, I am very very disgusted by whoever the person is that wrote this article. It wouldn’t be so bad if all of the language was not present. For people like me that grew up with Couty, it makes us mad. I am willing to bet that you wouldn’t have the guts to say all of that infront of his face or any of his family. Judging by the material and the motives behind the article, I would have to assume that you are about 15 years old. Next time you try to write an article about something that you know nothing about, do it in a more professional and formal way. I’m sure that his family would be quite upset if they were to come across this article. So, you really need to consider being more careful.
erik_willie_10
Jul 2, 2008 at 12:09 pm -
Well I am the whoever that is goin to tell you to grow up. Seriously, if you got shot in the head, would you want some idiot posting it on the internet for other people to see? Or what if it was your own daughter. You most certainly wouldnt want this for her now would you?
erik_willie_10
Jul 2, 2008 at 12:11 pm -
And you takl about my IQ being low. You people just dont get the picture. If you were murdered or someone that you really loved was murdered, you wouldnt want people talking about it behind your back on the internet. Now would u? Or are you to incomprehensive to take all that in at once?”
Oh god my fucking eyes are bleeding profusely and I am looking for my bottle of Xanax as I type this. You know the funniest motherfucking thing about what “Eric Pulls his Willie” is the idea, that talking on the internet is talking behind someone’s back. Hahahahahahahahhaah OMFG That’s hilarious. You a comedian part fucking time?
I think you would just want to know why……why this assfuckingmunch decides one day to put a bullet in the back of his wife’s head. That shit is fucked up.
I’m sitting here wondering now….did he ask god to help him find the strength to pull that trigger? Maybe he asked his god to make all his lies come true afterward….ya know when he was working at his job while is wife’s lifeless body lies on the floor and hardens. You asshole.
If I were murdered, if my family member was murdered, I’d want everyone talking the fuck about it. Why not? If I found something on the net I didn’t want to read….you know what. I don’t FUCKING READ IT. I suggest you find a site that coddles murderers.
And Lizard. That was one hell of a goddamn good write up. I’d be proud as hell if I were shot in the back of the fucking head….that you would write up the story. Hugs to you darling and fuck the ones who don’t like it.
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soShocked
Jul 4, 2008 at 1:34 am -Lizard,
That’s good, you can keep up with what’s happening by checking other forums.
This will be my last post. I looked at your “about” page, so you probably know why I won’t be returning. Why Christ?
So much for tolerance. I appreciate you allowing me to post and the kindness received. May God Bless you and everyone here.
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