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Couty Alexander Showed His True Colors
Created on July 01st, 2008 by Lizard now with 20,261 views
Tags: Christa Alexander, Couty Alexander, Murder, Shooting
Category Murder| Shooting| Uxoricide| domestic violence |
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sarabei
Sep 18, 2008 at 9:04 am -I can tell you from painful experience that these fundamentalist will “poo poo” your quote because you aren’t using the “real” bible (aka King James version). Actually they believe that the people who wrote these bibles that we can understand, etc. are damned and going to Hell because they dared to change a word from the KJ version. AND to top it off? For all the Wiccans out there….God doesn’t hate Witches….King James did! God never said to kill witches…it was good ole KJ, who had been told a witch would result in his death or some such. THAT is why the bible says and I quote, suffer not a witch to live.
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WryBread
Sep 18, 2008 at 12:07 pm -There are so many posts now that I won’t go back and find whoever said they felt sorry for me that my question had resulted in so many posts. Don’t feel sorry, I am very happy to get to read so many thoughts on the matter.
Personally, I do find the idea that wives should submit to their husbands to be like a pair of ankle shackles. I’m sure it saves a lot of petty squabbling, but in the end degrades the submitter. I’m sure, too, that some men draw confidence from knowing they are the God-appointed boss and this makes them more willing to listen — as long as they remain the Big Dog in the house.
I’m not sure that this is so simply a matter of free choice by each individual woman. Women within a group are pressured to conform. And if you have a bunch of men walking around feeling they are the God-appointed boss of women, it’s going to spill over to the women outside their group. They will treat all women as people who should be married and in obedience to “their man.” If Men are to God and Women are to The Church — then Men are Godlike and Women aspire to be Like God.
I was curious how this verse plays out in a Christian community — am I wrong that Jesus did not SAY this — it is just a verse that mentions him? Because we see how it plays out so violently in another major religion that is supposed to be among the fastest growing religions in the world. I wonder if men find this declaration of their primacy to be an attractive part of a religion? Would they be so quick to join if they were placed in submission to their wives or if they were enjoined to spend life with their hands and face poking out of a bag?
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WryBread
Sep 18, 2008 at 12:10 pm -And please let no one think that I have forgotten about Christa. I think of this case very often and feel so sad for this young woman who never got a chance to be a mother and have a home. I wish we could bring her back and give her her chance at life. Even being in eternal bliss is not the same thing as having the chance to live out your plans and experience the world.
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soShocked
Sep 18, 2008 at 2:03 pm -Can anyone tell me where in the Bible it says to use the King James version only? Does anyone know how long after Christ’s death that the New Testament Canon (as we know it today) was finally put together? Does anyone know who preserved, protected, and copied the Bible by hand for centuries (before the invention of the Gutenberg Press)?
Was King James around for any of this? No, he wasn’t born until the mid 1500’s. 1500 years AFTER Christ’s death.
A good apologetics study on the early Christians would be useful for those Christians today that choose to follow teachings that they really don’t know anything about.
Educate yourself! Don’t believe something just because someone tells you it’s so.
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SNUGGLEBB
Sep 18, 2008 at 2:06 pm -No, it doesn’t. If you lead your life according to the scriptures, you will be the most caring, loving, giving, witnessing, serving, joyful, self-controlled individual. Not a murderer.
Those who take the scripture and twist it are just like those who do not read scripture at all and live their life according to what they feel at that moment.
Blessings to all of you that have engaged me in courteous conversations, even though some may disagree, I appreciate those who respected me and spoke with self-control.
I really have spent too much time here and need some self-control of my own LOL! So, farewell! I know many of you will be so happy that I’m gone. That’s ok too. I’m still gonna pray for you!
It was so nice to chat with new friends like Lizard, Isaiah, Meg, Wry, Solange, The Pooh and others who welcomed and treated me with respect regardless of what we may disagree on. For that I say thank you. And may Couty have full truth and nothing but the truth come out of him from now on.
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Castille
Sep 18, 2008 at 2:14 pm -No, you’re not wrong - these are not words of Christ, nor is he mentioned in them. Ephesians is more correctly called Epistle to the Ephesians, generally ascribed to Paul of Tarsus, although there is much to say he isn’t the author either. This misogynistic tripe is repeated by Paul (arguably,) in Colossians and his letter to Timothy.
On a trivial, but related, note, there’s that bit later in Ephesians 6 that people use to use to defend slavery - you know, slaves obey you masters as you would the messiah or some such. Eh, you know, either Paul is a douche, or the authorship lies elsewhere.
In a more equality focused Christian community, the wife submitting verse would be put in context with the preceding bit about submission, and it’s generally interpreted as meaning everyone ought to submit to one another, husbands and wives to each other.
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soShocked
Sep 18, 2008 at 2:19 pm -You’re right, Jesus did not say the quote in Ephesians. Early Christian tradition ascribed this epistle to Paul.
Anytime (in any religion) a person is held “under” another, you have the perfect set-up for abuse. Just hope your “master” is a nice one!
Wrybread, I think about Christa and her baby everyday too. I don’t think I will be at peace ’till justice is served.
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sarabei
Sep 18, 2008 at 2:19 pm -***stands up, claps hands and yells a big ole AMEN!!!***
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sarabei
Sep 18, 2008 at 2:28 pm -Sadly, you are right and yet wrong as well. Most Christians take the bible and twist it to their own ends, no matter how good they are. You don’t have to read scripture to be a Believer and live right. You forget, the bible was written by MEN, not GOD. Supposedly inspired by God, yes, but how much was actually lost in translation by those men stumbling blind, dehydrated, etc. around in the desert? How many have died in the name of God? How many Native Americans? How many African Americans? How many countries have been invaded and decimated in the name of God? How many civilizations destroyed in the name of God? I, for one, don’t think GOD condones any of that and loves each and every one of the many peoples HE created. WHO says Christians have the market on who is righteous and who is damned? Truth be told, most of those civilizations destroyed valued God and life much more than the “Christians” of today.
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Castille
Sep 18, 2008 at 2:36 pm -My uncle is born-again, has gone all evangelical, and went for a theology degree. He is pursing a ministry and whatnot. Trying to be supportive in his theolgical pursuits, I got him a good, scholarly book about the history of the protestant movement that I thought he’d find very interesting. I was mistaken, apparently - he and my aunt returned it to me, so I assume they were offended, lol. The only thing I can come up with, (not being familiar with his church,) is maybe they’ve got some anabaptist roots, and believe they are from an unbroken line to the time of Christ - apostolic succession or church perpetuity or whatever. Scholarly research about protestant movements might tend to disagree on points there, I imagine. Hey, try to relate on some field, and go figure, there’s little place for scholarship in faith, lol.
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sarabei
Sep 18, 2008 at 2:43 pm -Lol!!!
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soShocked
Sep 18, 2008 at 2:52 pm -Snuggle BB,
I’m very sorry if I’ve been rude to you… I sincerely apologize. I’m assuming I have been since I’m not on your good-bye list
It’s nothing personal to you, you seem like such a sweet spirited person. There are so many Fund. Bap. that are NOT like you (I’m assuming you’re Fund Bap). They are judgmental, closed minded, secluded from the world, and just plain irritating to me. I guess over the years I’ve become quite assertive (and sometimes aggressive) in my own beliefs so I can stand up for myself. Please forgive me for my bluntness.
I’ve been spending too much time here too. My little ones run around like maniacs when I’m sitting here. haha. The little rascals! I need to cut back as well….
Lizard, are you out there?????
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soShocked
Sep 18, 2008 at 3:42 pm -I can hear the conversation in that house that day (a little exaggerated):
“Oh no! This book will challenge us to re-think our own beliefs and possibly consider another. But the roots of our belief system are so shallow already…. I know! Let’s not read the book at all and give it back (in a rude fashion) so she will never want to give us anything like this again” lol -I don’t mean any disrespect to your aunt and uncle.
If your faith is strong and secure, there is nothing to fear in embracing knowledge.
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isaiah
Sep 24, 2008 at 11:17 am -I just wondered if the person who had a lawyer friend heard anything about the court case on Monday? If he was right and they sought the death penalty in the first degree murder charge, I just would like to know. If anyone has any details I would appreciate your sharing them. I have heard nothing. Thanks.
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klinky
Sep 24, 2008 at 4:10 pm -Thanks Isaiah I have been wondering about the outcome myself. Please update us anyone.
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soShocked
Sep 24, 2008 at 7:55 pm -Isaiah,
I’ve been checking the Baton Rouge paper, but nothing has been in there.
My friend (the lawyer) said that he cannot even verify that there was a proceeding Monday. The information he gave me was what he believed the proceeding would be if there was one.
Are you sure there was something happening Monday?
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klinky
Sep 24, 2008 at 9:57 pm -DD is where I have gotten most of my information on Couty. I’ve tried a few other sites but no news there either. Although Couty and I share some distant relatives, what I hear for them may not be accurate. I don’t know him or his family as I said there is only a distant thread. I started researching this for my elderly mom. I just know this is so hard on the families. You just never know how far the ripples in the pond reaches.
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soShocked
Sep 25, 2008 at 1:38 am -Klinky,
I’m here for the same reason, to get information regarding this case. (added bonus: the discussions have been interesting
What are some of the things your distant relatives are speculating about? Sometimes there is truth in rumor, especially among relatives.
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Lizard
Sep 25, 2008 at 2:50 am -I have not heard anything either, but thank you to everyone who checks in and/or adds their impressions. This case…ah, it vexes. Why, why, why?
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crickett
Sep 25, 2008 at 6:51 am -She’s DEAD, so I don’t think she’ll care if everybody finds out that her prick husband Cunty shot her in the back of the head. I have children this age AND IF THEY WERE MURDERED I WOULD WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW AND TO KNOW WHO DID IT
My best hope for Cunty? MAY HE ROT IN HELL FOREVER!
So fuck off…you stupid inbred mother fucker
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crickett
Sep 25, 2008 at 7:03 am -These heavy quilted paper gowns with velcro fasteners are used for all inmates requiring suicide watch. They usually also have a 1:1 officer watching them at all times while on suicide watch. (24:7) My best guess is that the little prick started crying about how he was gonna kill himself. I say give him a razor and suggest that he aims deeper (for an artery) and cuts up and down so that he opens more of the vessel or vessels….and may he rot in hell!
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klinky
Sep 25, 2008 at 3:29 pm -Isaiah, please remember these are ramblings of very old people. Only a couple of things mentioned, Couty was moved to another jail and his grandparents are having a very difficult time. Taking it pretty hard. That’s about it. I wish I knew more.
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isaiah
Sep 25, 2008 at 7:23 pm -Just to let everyone know what happened Monday at the court hearing. The hearing was to change lawyers for Couty. Evidently, someone who has money is helping him. This lawyer is supposedly very expensive and known as a shady kind of lawyer. I don’t know who is paying the bill for his lawyer. I was told at this point the lawyer has not gotten all the evidence from the case, so he may not keep on the case if he sees it is a no win situation. I can imagine a shady lawyer trying to get him off on temporary insanity. Maybe saying how he was stressed with the pressure of marriage and a new baby. Couty had just found out he had to retake his EMS test. He might even try to tear down Christa. I can only imagine what he might do. The next court hearing is October 23. This is suppose to be to try and lower the bail.
Couty was moved from Rayville back to Livingston for the hearing. I think he will probably go back to Rayville until next month’s hearing. I don’t know for sure.
I am sorry for Couty’s grandparents. It must be hard for them. But, I must say honestly, my heart grieves mostly for Mrs. Patty and Bro. Winfred Baker. Each day brings up and downs as anyone can imagine. Losing their only daughter is hard enough, but their having to go through this murder trial and seeing him is a continual reminder of why they lost her. Just pray for them.
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Lizard
Sep 25, 2008 at 8:12 pm -Thank you so much for the update, Isaiah.
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klinky
Sep 25, 2008 at 8:45 pm -Thank you, Isaiah keep us posted. My prayers are with Christa’s parents as well.
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soShocked
Sep 26, 2008 at 11:14 am -Thanks Isaiah for the information. I’ve been checking “The Advocate” everyday. I haven’t seen anything regarding this case. My lawyer friend is from B.R., and doesn’t know either one of the families. He did say that many of these early court appearances will not be made public and that they are known to family only.
Are you close to the Baker family? It would make sense that they would be discussing the trial issues more than the Alexander family. Both families are grieving terribly, but in different ways.
My good friend speaks to Julee Alexander regularly. She says things like “Couty cries all the time”, “He’s so sorry…”, “He fears for his life in jail”, and things like that… things that a mother would say who deeply loves her son and who believes that he is innocent of the murder charges.
I haven’t personally spoken to Julee since the tragedy. She no longer attends the service work that she and I were involved in together. I miss her very much. I think about her all the time… In my eyes, she was always a perfect mother. Her children radiate such godly character (all 14). Her oldest son… Couty… so clean-cut… well mannered… looked up to not only by his younger siblings, but all those in the christian community. What could have went wrong?
I’m just as shocked now as I was when I first heard the news. Why, Couty, Why?
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Meg
Sep 29, 2008 at 1:18 am -Thank you for the updates!! I asked my girlfriend who was close to Christa and she had not heard anything yet. I hope this thread will remain up indefinitely and anyone who can will continue to update as things happen!
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sugarglider
Oct 5, 2008 at 3:33 pm -For a devout Christian, you sure haven’t read very much of the bible, have you, SnuggleBB? Instead of wasting your time praying for me, read your bible thoroughly so you have some idea what you’re talking about–I don’t want your prayers. (For the OT, of course, you’ll have to learn Hebrew, Aramaic, and ancient Greek in order to have any clue what the “original” texts even said). In the meantime, don’t be a hypocrite–make sure you follow the mandate in Deuteronomy not to wear linen mixed with wool.
Interesting.
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sugarglider
Oct 5, 2008 at 3:44 pm -Once again, snugglebb, I feel sorry for you. You really have spent a lot of time and energy trying to make this work for you. But you cannot have it both ways. Either the bible says women should submit to their husbands or it does not. And it does indeed say that. It does NOT say wives should only submit to NICE husbands. And either the bible says men and women are equal OR it says man is the head of woman. If man is the head of woman, then man and woman are not equal. But these are problems for you to deal with, not me. My husband and I KNOW we are equal, and we like it that way.
Same to Isiah: you can’t have it both ways. If you don’t believe you are supposed to submit under any circumstances, then you are in conflict with your own stated belief. But, as with snugglebb, that is your problem, not mine. As for you being a man or a woman, it was sungglebb who said you are man. I just followed what snugglebb said. Are you lying now? If so, you are a sinner. Are you a woman masqeruading as a man (heads’-up, Isiah is a man’s name)? Then you are also a sinner. Your conflict with your own faith, and your own inability to meld your faith with your rationalizations, are your own issues to deal with.
By the way, I hope you’re enjoying keeping slaves and giving your daughters over to strangers to be raped. Or do you only follow the parts of the bible that are convenient for you?
I’m glad you don’t see any problem with the fact that a submissive wife—you love to say over and over again that Christa was submissive, and to praise her for it–was murdered by a husband who forced her to submit in the ultimate act of all. I know you want to make this jibe with your belief system by saying that god didn’t intend women to submit to BAD husbands, but you can’t make it fit. You simply can’t. The bible says what it says. If you want to TAKE THE BIBLE LITERALLY, then DO IT. Be consistent. And if you CAN’T do it, then you are indeed in a gigantic quandary, and you will need to sort it out for yourself.
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sugarglider
Oct 5, 2008 at 3:56 pm -It’s really sad that I know the bible better than either snugglebb or “Isaiah”:
Snuggle said:
Isaiah said:
Isaiah, you aren’t used to getting blasted because you spend your time with people who don’t like to use critical thinking skills. You think that’s harsh? Tough. A woman was murdered. And you’re a fool. I can provide you with a great many direct quotes from the KJV about women’s inferiority to man, if you want, but I’ll just provide you now with ones that pertain to wifely submision to bad husbands. Here’s what the bible says–you can look all these up and do with them what you will, and pick and choose what to take literally and what to disregard, just like you already do:
DEUT 22:28-29 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Deut 22:13 really sucks: If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid…and…if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city SHALL STONE HER WITH STONES that she die.
Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, [. . .] thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man.
1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.
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sugarglider
Oct 5, 2008 at 4:21 pm -p.s. not every Christian “takes the bible literally.” But those who DO, such as snuggle and isaiah, are invariably total hypocrites who actually pick and choose–those who wouldn’t think twice about mixing different kinds of cloth together. You rationalization does not nothing to mitigate against the fact that Christa did not submit, and that she paid with it for her life.
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beachbum2000
Oct 5, 2008 at 6:20 pm -God, I had hoped this stupid bitch Sugarglider was serious when she said she was leaving this site permanently. Here are just a few of her idiot rantings that prompted my comment today:
Sugarglider, if you have your shit together so much why are you such a total bitch? You dont seem comfortable in your own skin. You seem way to bitter YOURSELF to be preaching and quoting the Bible, and constantly chastising other people with your razor sharp comments. You also come across extremely immature and unhappy. Who the fuck are you anyway?
And in reference to your saying before that you had “had enough” and were leaving the site for good, since you didnt… does that make u a “sinner” too cause obviously it was a Goddamn lie?
Get a life. And stop ranting endlessly like a 13 yr old.
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Morbid
Oct 5, 2008 at 6:44 pm -Looks to me more like a reaction she has towards ignorance. I quality I quite admire, for what it’s worth.
Or she simply changed her mind?
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beachbum2000
Oct 5, 2008 at 6:54 pm -Hell maybe so. I’m still trying to figure out her emotionally scattered mind. One thing is for certain: her communication style is a turnoff. Any time you see one of her posts, you can be sure she’s about to blast the shit out of some people. When she grows up, she will realize the importance of tone. Sprinkle an insult in here and there if thats what you feel you need to do to get your jollies, but when its constant people tend to shut you off and it reduces the value of your words. Like the boy who cried wolf. Every time she posts she seems like she’s on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I bet she’s Fat too. LOL.
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sugarglider
Oct 5, 2008 at 7:15 pm -Why thank you, Morbid. I respect you, too.
Bum, you don’t even deserve a response from me. Truly, you aren’t worth my time. But I can’t help pointing out the obvious about your objection to my objection of the dogmatic crap on this thread, so:
I see you’re proud of the fact that you don’t belong to the critical thinkers club. How nice for you. Just so you know, membership is free. It doesn’t even require an application. You just have to think. Correction: you have to be able to do it, and then actually do it. Not sure either of those criteria applies to you.
Your insults are laughable and pathetic. “Get a life”? so original. Ranting like a 13 year old? I’d say that what I wrote was very thoughtfully considered. I even used, *GASP*, evidence. I know there are people in the world who don’t like evidence. Are you one of those dim bulbs who doesn’t like fossils?
While I’m 100% certain you didn’t read all of what I wrote (or maybe you’re just too slow to understand what I wrote, which is it?) but I did bother to read what you wrote. And you know what? *You’re* the one who just rattled off a bunch of meaningless, whiny bullshit.
For the kicker, you think I seem “extremely unhappy.” Gee, thanks for your feigned concern. I’m moved by it, really. Life is a happy place, by and large, thanks for asking–except for occasional putrid stink of violent offenders and the wilful ignorance and inflexible, nonsensical dogma that in my opinion helps to breed such violence.
Is your reading comprehension truly so fucked that you didn’t realize I was being ironic in the word of the use sinner? How sad, Let me spell out the rest of the sentence for you: “sinner IN THE CONTEXTUAL FRAMEWORK OF A DOGMATIC BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW.” Now, I know those are weally, weally, weeeeallly big old words, and your demonstrated A.D.D. attention span, you’re probably going to piss and whine and moan that I’ve been going on “endlessly” (insert dramatic violin music), so I’ll close for now by saying:
I certainly never said I was “leaving the site” (insert more dramatic violin music). I said I was leaving the thread. Which I did. Once I could stand to come back without vomiting in my mouth, I did so. Waaay back around post 100, soshocked said s/he was leaving. And, clearly, soshocked did not leave for good. So what? Now Snuggle has said that Snuggle is leaving. Will Snuggle really stay away for good? Time will tell. And you can complain about it all you want. And you can call me a bitch all you want. I couldn’t care less. My advice? If you can’t take the heat, you piece of brainless flotsam, get out of the damn kitchen before you get burned.
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beachbum2000
Oct 5, 2008 at 7:20 pm -LOL. See what I mean folks? Sugar, you really need help with your insecurities and self esteem issues. I hope you find it. I mean that with all my heart, Fatty
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sugarglider
Oct 5, 2008 at 7:27 pm -You’re incredibly stupid. There’s nothing scattered about my thinking. “When I grow up”? This is so funny. If you really think my writing style suggests that I’m 13 years old, you are worse off than just insanely stupid. I can’t think of a qualifier extreme enough to describe what that suggests about you.
“The importance of tone.” Hilarious! So…you don’t think maybe my tone is *intentional*? I assure you it is. What about your, is your tone “intentional”? Do you mean to be a “turn-off,” or is it just something you can’t help? I know some people can’t help but be a turn-off. My condolences if you’re one of them.
You bet I’m “Fat”?! Man, you wish. Fucking hilarious. And you try to take me to task for being “immature”? I take it back, you’re not even hilarious, you’re just pathetic. You’re trying so hard to get off a zinger, and you…just…can’t…do…it.
“Any time you see one of her posts, you know…” Okay. I know you’re not a big reader, but you go RIGHT AHEAD and go back through the posts I put up today (it shouldn’t take you tooooo long; before today I hadn’t posted in weeks). I’m going to put this in capital letters because maybe your sad brain will therefore be aided in comprehension:
EXCEPT FOR MY POSTS ON THIS THREAD, ***NOTHING*** I POSTED–ABOUT 20 POSTS IN ALL, I’D WAGER–WERE INSULTING TO ANYONE (except for murderers, rapists, and child molesters and abusers, of course). And my posts on this thread, while stridently worded, are not only intentionally so, they are thoughtfully considered. So, fuck you. If I think someone is spouting a bunch of bullshit, yes, I’ll point it out. Like I said, if you can’t take the heat, go stick a pacifier in your whiny little baby mouth and call it a day. Be my guest. “LOL”
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sugarglider
Oct 5, 2008 at 7:42 pm -Bum, we took the dog out, came back in, and you haven’t posted a thing. I’m concerned. Maybe you decided to leave the kitchen (FYI: “kitchen” is a met-a-phor), or maybe you are still struggling to finish reading my last post. I see you sitting there at your computer, tongue clenched between your teeth, racking your little brain. Awww. Let me remind you, since you seem to have forgotten, what this thread is about. Some people think it’s an evangelical forum. Well, that’s fine with me. As far as I’m concerned, anyone can say whatever they want to say. And If I don’t agree, I’ll say so, and I’ll support what I say. What I *wanted to say* on this thread, and what I DID say (maybe you didn’t notice) is that this “wife should submit to hubby” mentality may well be a contributing factor to A MAN WHO FEELS THAT WAY MURDERING HIS WIFE. And I gave evidence to support exactly why I think that.
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sugarglider
Oct 5, 2008 at 8:02 pm -Oh, shoot, I better make a caveat to the above. I did take up for Max the Cat on the drug-dealing cheerleader thread. And Max deserved the support.
Bye-bye, Bum, “until I check back in.” I hope you have fun trying to come up with more identities to slam me from under cover of. So transparently moronic. And I will check back in, because I give a shit about what happened to Christa Alexander and I hope to see justice served. Of course, Bum, if you come on here and whine at me (under cover of Bum, or some other identity), I might well come back sooner than I otherwise would. Ciao for now.
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sugarglider
Oct 5, 2008 at 8:36 pm -SARABEI, I meant to say, you are so right about King James I. During his reign, huge numbers of alleged witches were burned. He didn’t just hate witches, actually, he was mortally terrified of ‘em. He thus wrote Macbeth at the very beginning of James I’s reign, a play to entertain and thrill a king who was scared of witches. You make an excellent point: what version you read makes a great deal of difference, at almost every level. “Respect” and “submit” *don’t* denote or connotate the same thing. It’s not even just a question of English translations, of course (like I said, one has Hebrew, Latin, ancient Greek, Aramaic to contend with if one wants to even try to come up with a supposed autoritative edition. It’s like the “Operator” game: whomever tells or retells a story gives it their own flair and makes changes, intentionally or unintentionally. I just wish Couty had more respect for his wife. And he didn’t (much less did he, of course, “submit” to her–that would be out of the question).
LIZARD is right to ask “why, why, why.” And it only makes sense to try to figure that out by considering what someone’s worldview is, and what they think a partnership should be.
So, I think SARABEI raises a point worth considering, and I meant to say so.
Don’t be surprised if a prosecuting attorney asks the following question at the trial: “Mr. Alexander, do you believe that the bible should be taken at its literal word when it says that a wife should submit to a husband?” Any decent prosecuting lawyer will ask this. So, getting upset about these considerations here and trying to defend the “submission” worldview is pretty much beside the point (not to mention, some people do find that worldview offensive and are going to thus say so in no uncertain terms).
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jackrussell
Oct 5, 2008 at 9:19 pm -I know this is off-topic, but I’d like to bring something up. I am a mother, a wife, an attorney, a nice person, a contributing member of society, and an overweight person. Having been noticeably overweight for a only short time, I have been shocked by the difference in how I am treated in my profession and in public, and I have been very, very sad to discover the rampant, unthinking, mean statements made about overweight people every place I turn. Please enlighten me: What is so horribly frightening about overweight people that makes otherwise nice folks think nothing of being cruel? For example, if a picture appears here of an abusive person who is overweight, many commenters latch onto the fat aspect as proof of that person’s worthlessness. I just want to be one voice out here letting you guys know that this is hurtful to at least one innocent person. I guess I could try to toughen my skin if I could understand the cruelty.
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