Modesto Police Officer Does World A Favor
June 16, 2008 by impqueen
UPDATE 6/17/08 – The man who killed his two-year-old son is named Sergio Aguiar. The baby’s name is also Sergio, and he turned two in May. Aguiar and his wife, Frances Liliana Casian, are separated and baby Sergio was visiting his father. The heroic officer who shot Aguiar is Officer Jerry Ramar, a Modesto police veteran and flight officer. More details at the bottom of this article.
That shiny stuff? Is a baby’s blood.
Turlock, CA, June 16, 2008 – Shortly after 10:00 p.m. on SaturdaySaturday reviews
night, a 27-year-old man stopped his pickup truck on the side of an unlit country road between Modesto and Turlock in California. The man then took a baby out of the vehicle, removed the infant from his car seat, and proceeded to beat and stomp the child to death. WitnessesWitnesses reviews were unable to stop the man, who was covered in the baby’s blood, until a Modesto police officer dropped in on the scene by helicopter. When it was readily apparent that the suspect was not going to stop killing the baby, the police officer shot and killed the suspect in hopes of saving the child.
Sadly, the baby boy died on the way to the hospital, gravely injured and drowning in his own blood.
Witnesses called 911just after 10:00 p.m., but their cell phone reception was bad and they weren’t able to give a precise address. It took another 911 call and a few minutes for police to get a good location of the assault and get officers headed to the scene, which was adjacent to a dairy farm in a very rural area with no lighting. Meanwhile, at least two witnesses tried to stop the attack, but were shaken off as the man repeatedly slammed the baby into the asphalt on the side of the road.
“In the shadows and light it looked like he had hit an animal,” said volunteer fire chief Dan Robinson. He was driving home from a late dinner and came upon the scene. “As we backed up again, I could see that he had blood on his arms. I could see that it was a small child.”
Robinson jumped out of his own vehicle and confronted the man, who lunged at him. Robinson said the man “wasn’t screaming and wasn’t loud, but was forceful”, saying “demons” were in the boy. The attacker hardly even slowed down, but grabbed Robinson’s shirt and tried to take a pen out of his pocket, repeating “Give me the knife… give me the knife.” (I think I’d have given the guy a big rock to the back of the head, but that’s just me.)
The attacker continued to punch, stomp, kick, beat and slam the baby into the pavement as officers arrived. A Stanislaus County Sheriff’s helicopter was carrying a Modesto Police tactical officer, who was dropped to the ground so he could get close to the suspect. As the officer witnessed the attack, he ordered the suspect to stop beating the infant, but the suspect continued to kill the child, so the tactical officer did the only thing he could do – he killed the suspect back, shooting the babykiller as he continued to try to land punches on the infant.
Investigators believe they know who the baby is, but will need to do DNA comparison because of the state of the child’s body. The victim was a boy, between twelve and 24 months old. At least one report suggests that the killer may have been the baby’s father. Happy Father’s Day… not.
I’m sickened that this happened – it’s reminiscent of Travis Mullis to me. I’m saddened that no witnesses felt that they could hit the attacker with a big rock or a tire iron and plead “accident”. I truly don’t think any court would convict someone trying to save a child. But I’m proud of that police officer. He wasn’t able to save this baby, but who knows how many others are saved because this monster babykiller is dead? Certainly the officer saved the cost of a trial. I hope that this officer is treated as the hero he is.
Thanks to SoUncool and other members, who are discussing this case in our forums.
Update 6/17/08 – The babykiller has been identified as Sergio Aguiar, 27, of Turlock. The victim was his son, also called Sergio, who was born May 8, 2006 and had just turned two years old. Sergio and his wife, Frances Liliana Casian, a kindergarten teacher, are separated and live in different apartments in the same complex. It appears that the baby was on a Father’s Day weekend visit with his dad when he was killed.
The officer who fired on Aguiar is Modesto Police Officer Jerry Ramar, a force veteran and flight officer who made the shot at long range within two minutes of landing. “I have never seen anything like that before and I hope I never have to again, ” Ramar says.
On landing at 10:17, Ramar ordered Aguiar to put his hands up and step away from the baby. Aguiar’s response was to flip Ramar the bird and proceed to kick baby Sergio “like a soccer ball”. Ramar fired, and by 10:20, Aguiar wasn’t kicking anyone anymore. Unfortunately, Sergio was completely limp and unable to be revived.
Investigators say that the amount of blood inside the truck indicates that baby Sergio had probably suffered fatal injuries before being removed from the vehicle.
8:32 am on June 16th, 2008
This truly brings tears to my eyes and pain in my heart. I don’t know what else to say without sounding like a blubbering idiot.
8:42 am on June 16th, 2008
I am physically ill. No normal human being could ever have that much rage in them. This man was on some sort of really bad drugs or he is criminally insane.
I hope the baby was knocked unconscious immediately. Tthe thought that the baby may have actually had to endure that entire beating conscious is too much for me. I really am sick.
8:55 am on June 16th, 2008
I’m sure that within a few blows that baby was unconscious. At least, I hope so.
Someone knows who this guy is. I want his picture. I want the baby’s picture. I really hope there’s a Hell and that this monster is getting exactly what he gave that child.
8:56 am on June 16th, 2008
Makes my heart hurt.
Me too K, me too.
9:00 am on June 16th, 2008
If there is a hell there must be heaven. This guy was evil.
So where was god?
9:38 am on June 16th, 2008
This is so disturbing what kind of sick fucker does something like this? I’m thrilled he is dead to bad it wasn’t sooner then maybe the baby would have had a chance!
Sickening!
9:50 am on June 16th, 2008
I can’t fucking deal with this one. I need a face to put to the sick fucker so I can dream of beating his head in. I need a visual to replace the one I have in my head right now.
10:06 am on June 16th, 2008
I hope the motherfucker felt that bullet.
10:07 am on June 16th, 2008
I was just reading this on Msnbc and came to to send you guys the link, Im glad you got to it first. I’m torn between sadness for that poor baby, and happiness that the guy was shot to death.
10:09 am on June 16th, 2008
I don’t get it. I just don’t get it at all. Are you telling me NO ONE could get this asshat off of the child? Not even the fireman?
(The below comments, do not apply to any elderly, handicapped, or teens, but to any able bodied adult (man or woman) who was one of the “witnesses”.)
Let me back up, what I’m asking, not one ADULT who stopped to watch, could get the man’s attention off of the child and unto themselves? And, let me expand on that, not one adult, man or woman, had the balls to fight with this man? Instead, did they think the child had a better chance than they did surviving until the cops could get there?
While I’m sooooo thankful that the officer dropped this POS, just like he deserved, why in the hell didn’t any witness shield that poor child with their own adult body? And the report said “witnesses” – hell couldn’t they have “tag-teamed this POS and stopped him? No, I was not there, but for the life of me, how could any adult continue to watch the murder without fighting to their last breath, instead only dialing 911? HOW?!?! HOW?!?! Why didn’t one of those 911 callers start beating the POS in the head with their precious phone? DAMN!
I’m sure there would have been three dead people, had I been there. There poor child, myself, and finally the POS the cop shot. No matter who’s child it is, if you are an adult, you have to step up and keep the abusing bastard off of that child!!! YOU HAVE TO!!! Anything less, is a ball-less, spineless, chickenshit turd. I cannot believe multiple witness WATCHED this and did nothing but dial 911. They watched a baby get beaten to death and for what, they were afraid they might get hurt a little!! DAMN, DAMN AND DOUBLE DAMN!
I hope the child was unconscious, obviously so the child did not have to endure the complete ordeal, but also so the poor baby did not have to witness all kinds of grown ups, just idly standing by and watching this dick kill him. Even, the fireman, said, “he wanted his ink pen”, which the bastard was calling a knife, but still at the very least the fireman could have stabbed the prick with the pen himself. Any adult, but especially a male adult, that watched this, is a chickenshit – the pure definition of chickenshit and should be hanging their head(s) in shame daily!!!!!!
No, I’m not a badass, but that sorry bastard would have had to kill me before I watched him strike the child once more after I had arrived on the scene. Why did the “witnesses” not help this child? Oh, I remember, the man was out of control and too scary – lets let the child deal with him, while we watch safely over here dialing 911!! DAMN IT!!!!!
10:11 am on June 16th, 2008
While I’m glad the bastard was killed, I’m outraged at the witnesses. And during that entire rant, I forgot to say how sorry I was for the little guy and anyone who truly did love this poor baby. My prayers are to the child and loved ones. What a useless tragedy.
10:12 am on June 16th, 2008
I’m glad I’m not the only one bothered by the whole “witnesses tried to stop him, but were shaken off” thing. Could no one snatch the baby up of the ground? I cant imagine watching someone do that for more than a second without lunging on their back and killing them. Who the hell were these witnesses? I hope that I’m wrong and maybe the news just didnt report correctly, because Im really not liking what I hear….
10:32 am on June 16th, 2008
“What we got from witnesses is he was punching, slapping, kicking, stomping, shaking,” Singh said. “They tried to intervene and get involved, but their efforts really didn’t have an effect. The suspect was engaged in what he was doing. He just pushed them off and went back to it.”
Above is from the news article on MSNBC. Witness were pushed off and he just went back to it – WTH? Chickenshits!!! He would have had to have “pushed me off of him” until I couldn’t get back up to fight again. DEADBEAT witnesses!! With the exception of the elderly couple.
And the part of “their efforts really didn’t have an effect.” – Hell, sometimes you have to try more than once! Hell sometimes you have to put REAL EFFORT into things, like getting a big asshat off of a 1 or 2 year old child! Sometimes you have to pick something up! How about driving your car into the side of his truck? Now I do understand not trying to run him over – you could have hit the child. But man I would have nailed the side of his truck – HARD! It would not have been drivable, just in case the bastard had killed the child and me and wanted to make an escape before police arrived.
I bet the prick would have changed his attention from the child to his precious truck – you know how people are over their “rides”. In fact, it would not surprise me to find out this bastard went off like this because the child made some little mess in his truck. OHHH Damn, I’m just about to blow a valve here. There were so many things the “witnesses” could have done to get this prick off of that child – yes including getting hurt themselves, for the sake of a child.
The POS abuser is dead, but so help me those damn “witnesses” are just killing me. You know right now, their telling their tales of how traumatic it was for THEM. Sorry bastards! DAMN IT!!!! Do they not get WITNESSES as plural, more than one, they could have ganged up, they could have worked together? Sorry ass witnesses – again, excepting the elderly couple.
11:18 am on June 16th, 2008
He says that like it’s a bad thing…
Shame the officer wasn’t flying an Apache, they always make for some fun babykiller perforations!
11:24 am on June 16th, 2008
OMG this is absolutely heartbreaking. I’m with you pooh5….. not one of the adult witnesses could put themselves between the baby and this nut case. I pray to god that if I saw something like this I would have the strength to do what ever I had to do to get him away from that baby.
11:39 am on June 16th, 2008
Its the plural part that is burning my ass, witnessES. Why couldn’t they just stick together and stop this instead of talking and pointing? WHY?
I know I would have the strength to intervene. I only pray that I would have the strength to save the child, at least. — Well, saving myself would be a nice bonus, too. Honestly, any of it would all be “worth it” if the child could walk away and live.
11:44 am on June 16th, 2008
And, I had forgot to bitch about this part, too. Thanks for reminding me WWSD.
Forceful? Forceful, my ass. It seems that, especially coming from a person who is trained in saving lives, it would have taken a lot more than “but he was forceful” to stop me. The bastard would have had to of “forced” me dead, or at the very least, “forced” me completely unconscious before I would have stopped trying to save that poor, poor little baby. DAMN!
11:52 am on June 16th, 2008
Shitfuckingcrying. This one has reduced me to tears and snot. Motherfucker. How goddamn horrible.
I’m with Pooh, I would have threw myself on this guy, over and over if necessary. Something, anything. I would not be able to stand there and “watch” this horrid incident. My god. Myfuckinggod.
The guy thought the baby was filled with Demon’s huh? I’m glad he was shot. Did the copper kill him? Please tell me this sick motherfucker is dead.
Bravo to the cop. At least you ended this fucking madness.
11:52 am on June 16th, 2008
I swear, I’ll be in a pissy mood the rest of the day and maybe into tomorrow. Nah, I take that back, when I lay eyes on my son and know that he’s okay. I’ll feel better. BUT tomorrow when I come back for an update, let the “pissiness” begin.
Unless the child was already dead or too far gone, when the “witnesses” started stopping, this was a completely preventable death to a child – had any of them been able to gather one set of balls between the lot of them – minus the elderly couple. Hell, it didn’t even take balls. I don’t have any balls and I can assure you, the attacker would have been fighting me until I couldn’t get back up instead of continuing to bash on the child while I watched and dialed the damn phone.
11:55 am on June 16th, 2008
Never mind. Now that I’ve stopped balling like a baby, I reread the story and see he was offed by the cop. Right the fuck on.
11:58 am on June 16th, 2008
Yah! A cop earned his pay!! And he should get a medal, a new gun, and a case of shells. I’ve been balling, too. I just can’t believe the number of adults that watched instead of helping, because they may have gotten roughed up a little.
12:06 pm on June 16th, 2008
Please delete post 18. I double posted again trying to fix a boo-boo. (I’m sorry)
Totally agree with you, Pooh.
12:11 pm on June 16th, 2008
And to add to that, the only way the “witnesses” could have known the child’s condition would have been to get off their asses and get involved and check on the child. That’s why I say, his death may have been prevented – no one knows how bad the child’s condition was because no one took the time to do whatever it took to get to that child. They watched that asshat continue to abuse the child until he was dead.
I hope they can’t sleep at night for not helping that baby.
12:19 pm on June 16th, 2008
Ya know, the quote Morbid keeps at the top of the page from Einstein — well if you didn’t believe it before, this case should have proven it beyond any doubt or question. Poor baby may have had a chance, but not now, because the man was “forceful”. DAMN!!
Damn, I’m just about in a rage over this. And I could kick my own self in the ass for being so angry at the witnesses instead of showing proper grief for the innocent child who lost his life at MULTIPLE hands, as far as I’m concerned. Poor, poor child.
12:31 pm on June 16th, 2008
I am with you, was wondering how much they tried to intervene. My thought would be to huddle over the child and shield him.
*shudder* thats fucking horrible.
I see a bunch of rocks in that pic, I bet there was one big enough to smash POS’s head in.
12:38 pm on June 16th, 2008
TURLOCK JOURNAL stated the male was hispanic, also on the jounal link there are more pics and a movie clip
12:53 pm on June 16th, 2008
Like everyone else, I am wondering why the bystanders didn’t get a tire iron, gang up on him, or something.
But…it is harder to fight someone off than one might think. When I was in my late teens, my “boyfriend” followed me home from my workplace, in a rage, threw me into my apartment, and proceeded to beat the shit out of me. I am not a tiny woman, and I had all the strength of youth and survival instinct on my side. And I still could not get him off me, or defend myself. When he threw me down on the ground, believe me, I was kicking upwards into his balls with all the force of my legs, and with my giant hiking boots on (it was winter). I grabbed the iron from the ironing board, and hit him with that. The one person who tried to come to my rescue attacked him with the only weapon he could find–a potato peeler that had been on my kitchen counter. And…nothing. My “boyfriend” just kept shaking us both off like ragdolls, over and over, while he continued to punch me. Oh, I’m sure he felt all of my kicks to the groin and smacks with the iron the next day–but at the time, in the full fury of his rage, he didn’t feel any of it, period. (Looking back, I have to wonder if he was on something. That was before the days of meth, but maybe something like that?) I am, frankly, lucky that he didn’t think to wrestle the iron away and hit me with it, and that he chose to stop for his own reasons. (Since none of my neighbors called the cops or anything. Assholes.)
Of course, there were only two of us–me, and my would-be rescuer–fighing back. And neither of us was a Volunteer Fire Chief (and therefore, presumably trained in feats of strength or anything like that). But when someone is out of their mind–whether through drug use, or rage, or delusions–honestly, it can be really, really difficult to stop them–they don’t register pain, or fear, or worry about their truck or survival instincts of their own–nothing but focusing on their target. And if you’re someone who just happens along the scene, and can’t quite believe the horror that is unfolding in front of you, and you instinctively jump in to help…well, chances are good that you’re not going to be thinking rationally about, “Hmmm, there’s a tire iron in the trunk that I could use,” or that you might even think you had the time to spare to open the trunk, rummage around for the tire iron where it’s bolted down to the spare tire, etc. Chances are, you might be on so much adrenaline that you wouldn’t even remember how to open your trunk. Or what a trunk even is. The guy that tried to come to my rescue–had he been thinking, he might have realized that I probably had more deadly cutlery in the kitchen than just a potato peeler. But a situation like that isn’t really conducive to cool and logical reasoning.
At least these people stopped, and called the cops, and at least tried to do something, which is a hell of a lot more than a lot of bystanders would do. If there is any bystander to share the blame, in my opinion, it’s whatever friends or family allowed a man prone to “demon babies” delusions to have access to this child.
1:04 pm on June 16th, 2008
I hope it was a case of the killer being so wildly out of control that the witnesses really couldn’t stop him and that they were so horrified that they weren’t able to come up with creative solutions like running their car into his truck to distract him (that was a good one).
I hope they weren’t simply milling about like the cattle in the photo, and being all, “Geez, we tried to stop him, but he said the kid was infested with demons, and he seemed to know what he was talking about.”
BTW–not to be a spelling nazi, but that should be “bawling”. You guys are bawling. Balling is what you do with your special friend(s).
1:16 pm on June 16th, 2008
A lot of people have been trained to not get involved from youth, and most people in my generation and below are adverse to violence and never really had much experience with it. One of the last straws to get me to move from NYC was when I was walking my little dog at around 2:00am when I heard a woman screaming and running down the street a few blocks away. She was yelling “help me” and I heard a car screeching like it was chasing her.
Figuring a lot of people would come out to see what was going on I stopped to put dog in the house and grab my (illegal in NYC) pepper spray and ran to see what was going on.
There was only ONE other dude who came out his house to see even though everyone in this quiet Riverdale neighborhood must of heard it. The woman couldn’t be found and the cops got a total of two 911 calls about it. So me and this 60 year old and one squad car are too late.
Had I knew the degenerates who lived around me would ignore her creams I’d have hauled as over there and left my dog in front of my house. But these people were New Yorkers, and they were scared so they didn’t get involved.
At least the people above tried, no matter how ineffective they were. That they didn’t know how to disable a person who needs it is the fault of our Pacifist loving society. Many people these days just don’t have the skill, or will, to really throw down when it counts. These people seemingly did their best, it just wasn’t good enough but I’d take them as neighbors over the scumbags in NYC any day.
1:38 pm on June 16th, 2008
Leemouse, I get what you’re saying. I really do and the reason I do – I’ve had first hand experience, as well, and on both ends. I’ve been the one receiving the rage and I’ve been the one giving the rage. The comments you made about the attacker feeling pain, or should I say not feeling pain, are absolutely correct. However, even though “the pain” inflicted on your ex didn’t stop him, it was a hindrance and had to of kept a few punches from landing on your head. Or, your friend may have distracted him enough for him not to think to take the iron away from you. The point is you both fought to the end, never stopping until he did – even if it was for his own reasons. And you could be wrong about it being “his” reasons – that damn iron may have just got to hurting a little worse than he wanted to hurt you.
I feel every able bodied adult who stopped and witnessed this tragedy should have been fighting for this child until their last breathe, their last drop of blood. They stood a better chance of surviving than the child did, at any point during this attack.
I, however, would have had to have been repeatedly thrown off and unable to get up before I stopped trying to get him off of that child. And if I couldn’t have gotten him off of the child and wanting to kill me instead, then I would have found a way to put my body between him and the child. I would have took his kicks and punches for that baby. I would not have been able to give a news interview afterwards, like the fireman, because I would have been seeking medical attention at the ER.
The biggest part of my problem with all of this is: there were MULTIPLE witnesses. They could have all jumped him or while he was throwing one person off, another could have grabbed the child and ran. Your case was one mean, stronger man on you and a friend, and both of you were adults. This case was a mean POS and a child – with multiple witnesses. Please don’t take this wrong because if I saw you being abused, I would jump in and help you, too.
BUT, when a man is beating on a child, I can reach down deep in my personal hell and find a MEAN and RESOLVE like I can for no other occasion. I could fight harder and take more hits and kicks for a child than I could any adult. Ya know, when you’re getting the shit kicked out of you, you just have to reach down in your gut and get a mean, (which should stay hidden), that would make some criminals shudder. Ya know like the old saying about women cussing, “she can walk into a bar and 5 minutes later sailors come out screaming”. Now that’s the kind of mean and fight you have to muster when some bastard like this needs stopping and you happen to be smaller and weaker. Sometimes it comes down to your “WILL”.
1:43 pm on June 16th, 2008
Thank you – normally shit like that burns my ass and jumps right out at me. But not today, I’m so upset over this little guy. Damn, I hope Angel will give me a pass if she’s reading today. I get 1/2 point for getting my your and you’re right though, don’t I?
1:46 pm on June 16th, 2008
No kidding, Pooh. Jump on the guy’s back and gouge his eyes, pull his hair or choke him – something. Three people could easily distract him for at least a few seconds. What a sickening story. My heart bleeds for that poor baby. I hope that creep is enjoying a very special kind of hell.
1:57 pm on June 16th, 2008
I understand what you’re saying, as well. The creative solutions like I listed may not have popped into their heads, but damn didn’t “anything” occur to them to do other than just be horrified and watch? You don’t have to be creative to put yourself in harms way to save a child – you have to be willing to take that child’s hits and kicks and slams to the ground, which I’m quite sure I’m more capable of withstanding than any 1 or 2 year old boy.
I agree with the part of them not knowing how -hell, I don’t know how to disable said person – but you will find me fighting to disable them, with what ever I can think of, until they are disabled, I’m disabled, or the cops show. I just can’t get past that many people “watching” and yet they were over their shock and not too horrified to give interviews afterwards. The witnesses were scared they would get hurt, so just let the baby take it – its not my baby or my problem, type of shit.
I have exempted no one but the elderly couple from my rantings. The fireman happens to be the one that’s really burning my ass and the rest of the able bodied adults. Just because they didn’t “know how to disable him” doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have been trying.
2:23 pm on June 16th, 2008
Agreed, but I read the story as showing that these people did try, but couldn’t get the job done. The fireman might have been trying to reason with/restrain the killer, which is less a product of cowardice and more a product of society as a whole “going soft.” Here in SC I walk around with a Kobolt box cutter dangling of my belt, have plenty of guns and can legally kill someone who breaks in my house even if I’m not sure he’s going to kill me. In CA a man hurting a criminal even to defend another may end up in court.
In NYC you could go to jail for killing a man who was killing someone else, in my native NJ self defense is basically illegal. When people grow up in a culture like that it’s difficult for them to react “naturally” to an emergency. Add to that the fact that they’re largely disarmed and you have a recipe for ineffective response.
Some just stood there and should be arrested I think, but not to get political, what can we reasonably expect from people who are neutered by statist mentalities which teach people the government is your parent/bodyguard/god? I bet most of the people there assumed cops would just appear in the nick of time.
I’m disgusted but not surprised.
2:45 pm on June 16th, 2008
Again, I see what you’re saying, but how does “if I get involved, I might get in trouble (court)” even enter your mind when a child is being beat to death right in front of your very eyes? How could one be so selfish to worry about a pulling a little time over saving a child’s life? Just how hard did they try to stop the attacker? Be the victim one time and see just how hard you wish everyone would have fought for you. Decide if a bystander stopped, called 911, and let the man pitch them off and then they quit – just see if you felt like they REALLY HAD tried to stop your attacker.
I didn’t see any black eyes or cut lips on the fireman. Hell this baby wasn’t even worth the man getting a good old fashioned shiner. Stopping and dialing 911 and telling the man to stop DOES NOT quailify as trying to get this bastard off of the baby. And, just how much time would it be, if you did get into a little trouble? Time well worth pulling if you have saved a child’s life. Hell, admitted, confessed child rapist and murderers barely get any jail time. I’ll take my chances with a jury of 12 anyday for defending a child against an adult. Again, how would that even cross someone’s mind in the heat of the moment?
I do understand about the “conditioning” and what you’re getting at. However, to me that’s like abuse, in the respect of “its time to break the sick cycle” sometime. Teach the strong to stand up for the weak.
Really, all of this, not getting involved stuff – well, its called apathy. Apathy is killing children. Case in point, read 90% of the articles on the DD.
2:57 pm on June 16th, 2008
Ehh, that lawsuit/getting arrested crap doesn’t fly with me. On this radio show that I listen to in Miami, they were discussing the case of the guy who got hit by a car and all those people just stood around not helping him? Anyway, one of the callers tried to condone it by saying “But they could have been sued if they tried to help him!”. And the host of the show basically said what I thought: That’s a fucking excuse people come up with after the fact. Because if you are seeing a child being killed or something equally as traumatic, and someone needs your help, there is no way that you are going to stop and think “Hmm, should I do something? Nah, I might get sued or arrested”. That is a bunch of crap. And I find it hard to believe that any human being would watch a baby being stomped on, but refuse to hurt the guy because they might get put in jail for a night. Give me a break.
3:01 pm on June 16th, 2008
BTW, Pooh, I’m glad to see that you are as bothered by this as I am. It helps a little bit to know you’re not angry alone
3:14 pm on June 16th, 2008
Thanks solange822001. I’m just glad someone else sees where I’m coming from. And what you were talking about in post #36 – they passed the “good samaritan act” just for that very reason – so people would help others without the fear of being sued. They COULD NOT have been sued for trying to help that man after the car hit him. They knew that! It was just an excuse they made after they thought about how sorry they were for just standing there and looking or just passing him by like a piece of paper laying in the road. Maybe they saw themselves on TV and realized what POS they were for not helping and it was even caught on tape – they had to make it sound good to their friends. I wish I had been there to call BULLSHIT! No, I take that back, I wish I had been there to help the poor old man.
3:55 pm on June 16th, 2008
And the cows look on in disbelieving horror……
4:02 pm on June 16th, 2008
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have gotten involved, just that many people are trained not to. This sort of thing is the by-product of an overall culture of “non-violence” that has slowly bred out the heroic. Sorry to imply I’m excusing their behavior, this was more of an academic point.
My experience is that most people won’t even call a cop for you in places where Cali and NY and Jersey. Having lived there I asked those same questions you were and got those answers. People are scared, of criminals and the states reaction to those who get involved. I’ve seen people dragged off in cuffs after getting jumped and defending themselves. I chose in the past to take the legal risk to help people on occasion but I rarely expect others to do the same.
Like I said, I’m disgusted but not surprised.
4:10 pm on June 16th, 2008
O M F G!! This is like 25minutes from me, I have been on that road a few times.
How fucking sad that this happened and only one guy had enough balls to try and stop it? Call me crazy, but I’d knock the motherfucker out with whatever I could get my hands on and snatch the baby up off of the ground.
My heart breaks for his mother.
4:14 pm on June 16th, 2008
Something about all those cows standing there creeps me out. At first I thought it was one of those instances in which there was no photo related to the case so imp selected one with cows. Now I wish she had.
4:22 pm on June 16th, 2008
More like cold indifference
4:23 pm on June 16th, 2008
I am sick. I want his picture so we can hate him properly. I don’t know how these witnesses will be able to deal with what that saw. I’d like to know how elderly were they? My dad is 65, and granted he’s an ex-green beret, but he’d of taken that motherfucker to the ground.
4:26 pm on June 16th, 2008
I think you’re overestimating the capabilities of cows. How about, “Bipedal animals + fast large rolling animals = time to eat!”
4:38 pm on June 16th, 2008
I found this from an article:
“By the time the ambulance had left the scene, Singh said, almost a dozen people had witnessed some part of the incident, with at least two trying to physically stop the suspect.”
A DOZEN FUCKING PEOPLE??? And only TWO tried to physically stop the suspect????? If any of those dozen sheeple are reading this now, I DARE you to come on here and explain yourself. I want to know who the fuck you are, and why you would watch a poor innocent baby being beaten to death instead of DOING something. Fuck you, and enjoy hell bastards!
4:38 pm on June 16th, 2008
Rob, I do get your point honestly. And, further, I’m not arguing that point. In fact, sadly, you are correct about the “conditioning to look the other way”. Also, you are referrencing adults being attacked in your examples not children. I feel that a jury would not be as harsh were you jumping in on a grown man who was stomping a 1 or 2 year old child. This shit went on long enough to where the child is gonna have to be positively identified through DNA. How long did the “witnesses” watch? DAMN!
So, lets say they did have the selfish thought of getting into trouble, I’m still holding the adults accountable for not shielding this child with their own bodies. That’s damn well not against the law. Whether you are excusing them or not, this is my arguement for your reasoning. This is my arguement to break the “look the other way” conditioning.
If they didn’t want to “stop” him through pro-active means, then they should have at least been willing to take the “licks” for the boy and be slammed to the ground for the boy. ANY adult stands a better chance surviving than a 1 or 2 year old. Too many times, this type of child killing could have been stopped had anyone shown a “pair”. And as to your average citizen, I may even let them pass. BUT, the trained fireman, who should know how to conduct himself in crisis, I just can’t let him off of the hook. Hell no, I take that back, too. Other than the elderly, handicapped or teens – any able bodied adult, man or woman, should at the very least been shielding this child from that bastard.
He’s a fireman that could watch a child get beat to death all because “he was forceful” – (that just about makes me puke to type it). Do you think he would run into a burning building to save you or your child? I sure as hell don’t – not for a second. A man afraid of an ass kicking or a few days in jail for assault – WILL NOT risk his ass to run into a fire and save a child or anyone for that matter. He was sure able to talk to the press, though. PRICK!
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’ll take an ass kicking anyday over being burned. I’m thankful he’s not a member of my fire department. I’m actually giving the fireman most of the shit, but everything I’ve said applies to any adult who was there – besides the elderly coulple. CHICKENSHITS!!!!!
4:51 pm on June 16th, 2008
As another poster would post: Yeah, what she said!!!!!! Thanks solange, I don’t think I had read that part. That really does qualify how horrific this was. A dozen people, a damn dozen watched. A dozen chickenshits in one place – Is that some kind of record? DAMN, DAMN AND DOUBLE DAMN!! And the fireman, was one of those two that “physically” tried to stop him. I’ll bet you a dime to a donut, the second person was the “elderly” man of the elderly couple that stopped initially – he’s elderly and probably the only one with a “set”. I wish I knew for a fact, so I could properly bash all of the rest of the bystanders.
I’m with solange822001 – if any of you chickenshits are reading, please come forward and tell me what a bitch I am for calling your chickenshit asses out!!! I DARE YOU!!!! You all can tell me how I was not there and I don’t know what I would have done. Come on now, put the pooh in her place – you cowardly bastards!!!! I really want to hear the lame ass shit you can make up for watching that POS beat that baby to death and so severly that the poor little guy has to be identified through DNA!!!
4:53 pm on June 16th, 2008
Piece of shit has a name: Sergio Aguilar. I’m off to see if he has a myspace.
4:56 pm on June 16th, 2008
Thank you for identifying his sorry ass!!!
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