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  • 1

    dammitall

    Apr 26, 2008 at 10:13 am -

    I know, I know. he’s your man. You love him. You looooooove him. He would never hurt you or your baby. Women, wake up. Don’t do it. Your man will thank you. Your baby will thank you. You will be more broke from paying for child care, but at least you will have a child. I bet Kari Sheppard wishes she’d never left her baby with her man.

    Better yet, use contraceptives until you have some kind of viable plan for your child’s life. “A baby will make him love me and want to marry me” is not a viable plan. Neither is “I want someone who will love ME, so I’ll make a baby!”

    And abortion may be a sin, but a worse sin is letting some random dick beat your baby to death.




  • 2

    Lilbay

    Apr 26, 2008 at 11:27 am -

    AMEN to all the above.
    I wish like heck there was some way to beat this information into these women’s heads.

    Seems from the age of 14 to 28 these women just believe that they MUST have some man or child to love them.
    Hell learn to love yourself because until you do a relationship with a man is going to be a mess, and a child will end up screwed up in the head because you can not teach him to love himself if you do not love yourself.

    I so wish that when kids entered High school or heck even Jr High that they would start teaching some in your face true facts about life.

    There has to be a way to teach these kids that they do NOT need a man to complete them.
    They do NOT need a child to love them.
    They will Not stay together in 95% of the cases where they are involved at 15.
    Sex is NOT a good idea until you are married happy and prepared to raise a child.
    Even more importantly Unprotected sex is even worse because not only might you become a Unprepared parent, but you could catch something that can in fact Kill your dumb ass.

    The worse part is this woman had support in the way of Family.
    Why why why did she not leave this child with them instead of her latest penis.




  • 3

    Angel

    Apr 26, 2008 at 12:01 pm -

    So, Spastola killed a baby, huh? And it wasn’t his. What a shocker!

    People, I didn’t leave my infants with even their BIOLOGICAL father for more than a few minutes until they were almost potty trained. And my husband is a great dad! His problem wasn’t being too harsh with them, it was being too lenient. I would come home to syrup on the floor, and naked baby in the kitchen. But never once did he abuse any of them!

    Stupid women of the world…..LISTEN to me: Your penis of the month does not think the baby is cute when he says ‘no!’, he does not laugh, or even accept it amicably when the child spits up, or - heaven forbid - PUKES on him. Walking penis does not appreciate having to change shitty diapers on a kid that sprang from another man’s loins. And if your current penis does for some reason show an extreme interest in your small child, and really begs to be left alone with him/her, that is a warning sign, too! He’s probably a fucking pedo, who gets his jollies molesting or raping your kid!

    No, not all men who seem to genuinely love your kid are abusers or pedos. There are probably a great many of them who really do like children and would not dream of hurting one. But is it worth risking your kid’s life to find out? Really? Jeez, people, wake the fuck up and smell the bullshit your dick is shoveling for a chance to get into your drawers! Men will do or say almost anything if they think it might lead to a crotch dance. But that doesn’t mean they will like having to jump through the hoops required, and many will be resentful enough to want to get their ‘paybacks’ by neglecting or abusing the kid.

    I hope to hell this asshole gets his head ripped the fuck OFF in prison. There’s a traumatic brain stem injury for ya! And almost always fatal, too…… :-D




  • 4

    mom of 4

    Apr 26, 2008 at 12:51 pm -

    Yep, yep yep to all of the above. I frankly do not care whose feathers get ruffled this time……MOTHERS DO NOT LEAVE YOUR BABIES WITH YOUR PENISES!! I mean really how many stories like this does one need to read to figure out it can be hazardous to your baby? It’s not rocket science just tape it on the damn fridge and say it to yourself every morning! If you can’t follow that instruction then try this one…DON’T HAVE KIDS!




  • 5

    zora

    Apr 26, 2008 at 5:33 pm -

    What a precious little boy child. So sad, poor baby had another one of those mamas with the horrible judgement.

    Gianni Spagnolo has pointy ears, soulless eyes, and shit for brains. Hopefully, he will pay for this for the rest of his pitiful life.




  • 6

    KTjz08

    Apr 26, 2008 at 6:31 pm -

    Even though his myspace is private I find his quote interesting:

    “”When you can take responsibility for yourself and your action’s, you begin to grow.”"

    I can’t see this as something that would happen over night the mom had to have some idea that this guy was out of control. Interesting to find out if that is his son in the myspace picture.




  • 7

    ImmortalOne

    Apr 26, 2008 at 7:06 pm -

    Okay, while statistically yes there are some men out there that women get tangled up with who will harm a child. Some men are just not able to cope with their own children, let alone children brought into a realtionship. Period. There is no argument there from me. Just as some women as we have seen do the same to their own biological children.

    However, to lump all men into this is wrong. I mean, seriously, with all the blended families out there in today’s world, that is just not realistic. The percentage of men who harm a child from another relationship is small compared to those that do not. There are men out there who genuinely care for the children in their care. Who actually love the children that are part of their lives.

    If a guy has never shown a sign of aggression or annoyance about the child, or the situation, then why should someone assume he is going to harm that child? They shouldn’t, that is just going to cause problems. Finding those guys isn’t hard either. Obviously they have to be responsible and at least able to care for themselves before you put your babies with them, however again, there are plenty of men out there who are happy to have a ready-made family.

    As a mother I personally have had two relationships (my former marriage, a 4 yr relationship, and my new husband). Not once were my children harmed by these three men. Not once where they abused in anyway by these three men, and I have three daughters spanning between 15years and 8months (currently).

    I work with a young man who is 24 but is taking on a child in a relationship with a woman and he adores that child and calls her his own daughter, but she isn’t his. He plans to marry the mother in the near future when they finish college up.

    So, don’t classify all men in this manner, there are some wonderful guys out there in this world.




  • 8

    mom of 4

    Apr 26, 2008 at 7:45 pm -

    Yep there are some wonderful guys out there no doubt. The thing is I would wager every penis that has been featured here at DD has family and friends who will say he was wonderful with children and would never hurt them ect., ect. For me it would not be a gamble I am willing to take though. I don’t want to discover a man was not what he appeared to be when my baby is dead. That’s just me though.




  • 9

    Ruby

    Apr 26, 2008 at 8:59 pm -

    So, don’t classify all men in this manner, there are some wonderful guys out there in this world.

    Thank you, Immortalone, for posting the post I wanted to post before I had a chance to post it. :-)

    For the first time ever, Impqueen has completely failed me, and I found myself stammering and sputtering and acting like a damned fool in disbelief, and I just couldn’t frame my thoughts.

    Men as 1/2 of the human race on not the problem Imp. Seriously. Lots of great dads in the world, some are bio, some are not.

    Excuse me, while I go cry in my beer over my loss of innocence.




  • 10

    Ruby

    Apr 26, 2008 at 9:00 pm -

    Oh, and P.S. Gianni Spagnoli SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS.




  • 11

    ImmortalOne

    Apr 26, 2008 at 9:26 pm -

    Yep there are some wonderful guys out there no doubt. The thing is I would wager every penis that has been featured here at DD has family and friends who will say he was wonderful with children and would never hurt them ect., ect. For me it would not be a gamble I am willing to take though. I don’t want to discover a man was not what he appeared to be when my baby is dead. That’s just me though.

    While I can respect that point of view, I cannot completely agree with it. Every person, even single mothers, deserve to have the opportunity to find their life companions. Not every potential life companion they meet is going to be the right guy and not every one is going to be a complete ass.

    There is a saying that still rings true. Any man can be a father, after all a simple donation is all that is required. However it takes someone special to be a Dad, and that is where the difference lies. Thankfully my husband loves our children, this is our family, not my kids with him added to the mix. And with the addition of our new baby, that hasn’t changed, only grown our family and the love in our household. I trust my husband 150% with all of my children, he is a stay at home father of our youngest. However if I couldn’t trust him with my children I would never have married him in the first place.




  • 12

    WryBread

    Apr 26, 2008 at 10:03 pm -

    I do not believe that men or women “suddenly snap” and kill children. I have never seen anyone suddenly snap — there are always plenty of warning signs, even if they are subtle. I think it’s like the parents who wrote in and wondered how they could have failed to suspect that the family’s great friend was a child molestor. Well, it’s not always that easy to put the pieces together. Hindsight IS 20-20.

    In the case of many single mothers, I think they are so relieved to be considered “loveable,” and to have the hope of a good future family life, or are so grateful for any help he gives that they ignore the warning signs. The media is full of articles about how women should accommodate men and not demand too much and understand their special pyschology — it leads to women staying with men whom they should boot out the door.

    I’m not saying this very well, I know. But maybe someone else can expand on it.




  • 13

    Lilbay

    Apr 26, 2008 at 10:16 pm -

    i agree there are some wonderful fellows out here who are trusting and would never hurt children or in fact hurt the Mom’s but sadly there are many who will.
    I honestly do not know where we find the real way of staying and keeping our children safe.
    i guess that is why as a single Mom i chose to stay just that Single and ut my children first and formost. i am a victim of abuse and know that i have chose badly in the past. Though i have changed greatly since than and came to love myself and put me and my kids first (my kids taught me that) i do not trust myself to choose another to have in my life and around my kids even though they are older 21 and 14.
    when the youngest is a little older I may start dating again if not well I am actually very content
    i say all this because i think that more Single women need to learn to Love themselves and put them and if they have kids those kids first. this way anyone they date will not be so important to them that they will miss those warning signs and they will not be so far up his rear that she will have the strength to say get out good bye before anything bad happens

    Sadly though this day and age so many young ladies are having children with the wrong men and being left to raise those kids alone and feeling the NEED to have a man to make them whole that they are making poor choices.

    Until they start having that strength there will continue to be cases like this.

    Mind you i am not saying that they should go celibate and remain single like i did. i am saying they should learn about themselves and value themselves and than date wisely.

    Sadly i am not good at saying what i mean so i hope that made some sense.




  • 14

    XKarmaAndChaosX

    Apr 26, 2008 at 11:46 pm -

    I can’t see this as something that would happen over night the mom had to have some idea that this guy was out of control. Interesting to find out if that is his son in the myspace picture.

    That is his son. He is a good father and a good person. One of the best I have ever known. It was an accident and I hate to see all this madness going around in the news and in comments and blogs about him. Don’t you people ever stop to think that maybe everything you hear ISN’T true?

    Please think of his family and friends and his girlfriend and her family and the fact that maybe they see all these horrible things going around as well. Is that really fair or right for them? No. You have no idea what they are going through.




  • 15

    XKarmaAndChaosX

    Apr 26, 2008 at 11:50 pm -

    And abortion may be a sin, but a worse sin is letting some random dick beat your baby to death.

    Yeah because you know even in the picture on the news Andrew just looks like he’s so abused… not a happy child at all. I mean look at that sad face and all the marks from being beaten all day and all night.

    This child was not being abused and had never been abused.




  • 16

    mom of 4

    Apr 27, 2008 at 12:15 am -

    This child was not being abused and had never been abused.

    I beg to differ. He’s dead from abuse and Gianni Spagnolo was the person with him. Wake up already.




  • 17

    Unamused Cat

    Apr 27, 2008 at 12:34 am -

    Yeah because you know even in the picture on the news Andrew just looks like he’s so abused… not a happy child at all. I mean look at that sad face and all the marks from being beaten all day and all night.

    This child was not being abused and had never been abused.

    Please explain why he is dead then.




  • 18

    nurseronda

    Apr 27, 2008 at 12:41 am -

    Please explain why he is dead then.

    Guess XKarmaAndChaosX believes that the baby isn’t dead, but exists in another dimension, because this creep just couldn’t have killed the baby.




  • 19

    nurseronda

    Apr 27, 2008 at 12:58 am -

    For the first time ever, Impqueen has completely failed me, and I found myself stammering and sputtering and acting like a damned fool in disbelief, and I just couldn’t frame my thoughts.

    In Imps defense, there does seem to be a lot of baby killers on this site and on the news everyday where the man does kill the baby that is not his own and a lot that kill their own baby. The mothers have the major responsibility to make sure that their baby is taken care of. I agree that there are good men out there who would take better care of the baby than the mother would and some mothers just make a bad choice when picking a man who she can trust to keep her baby safe. Some mothers just don’t care and let the man abuse her baby just to have a man.




  • 20

    Angel

    Apr 27, 2008 at 2:49 am -

    Yeah because you know even in the picture on the news Andrew just looks like he’s so abused… not a happy child at all. I mean look at that sad face and all the marks from being beaten all day and all night.

    I have a picture of my grandfather from two years ago, and he was healthy and looked healthy and good. I have another picture of him from a year ago, and he looked healthy and good. Three months after that picture was taken, he went into the hospital on a Wednesday, was diagnosed with leukemia the following Sunday, and was dead the Thursday after that. In 8 days, he went from alive and ‘healthy’ to DEAD. Are you going to tell me that just because he showed no signs of the disease until 8 days before his death, that he didn’t have it? Or that he is any less dead? Or that it was something other than leukemia that killed him? Idiot.

    What Andrew looked like in the picture on the news makes absolutely no difference at all. The picture that is important in this scenario, is the picture that was taken at the morgue. Nobody said Andrew was abused over an exceptionally long period of time. The beating that killed him was the one he received THAT NIGHT! From your friend, Assholo….oops!…… I meant Spagnolo.

    This child was not being abused and had never been abused.

    Are you stoned, or just stupid? Or maybe you are blind? Are you suggesting that the bruises just ’spontaneously’ appeared on the child? Or that his little brain was tired of staying where it was supposed to, and decided to take a little ‘vacation’, to a different place in his skull? Or maybe, his brain stem just magically had a massive infarction, and caused a brain bleed with no help from anyone?

    He is a good father and a good person. One of the best I have ever known. It was an accident and I hate to see all this madness going around in the news and in comments and blogs about him. Don’t you people ever stop to think that maybe everything you hear ISN’T true?

    He may have BEEN a good father, but he still murdered this child. If he is one of the best people you have ever known, perhaps you should start hanging out with a better class of losers. And this was no fucking accident! You don’t ‘accidentally’ cause a traumatic brain stem injury in an 18 month old. That takes some determined effort, my friend. And no, I don’t ’stop to think’ that it may not be true. Medical reports and CAT scans do not lie.

    Please think of his family and friends and his girlfriend and her family and the fact that maybe they see all these horrible things going around as well. Is that really fair or right for them? No. You have no idea what they are going through.

    The primary person I am considering in this situation is Andrew. You know, the dead child? And that’s who the friends and family SHOULD be concerned with, as well. The only guy I’m interested in discussing, is the disgusting piece of shit who killed this child. I would think that Andrew’s family would not have a problem with a little well-placed righteous indignation on behalf of the murdered child. Your friend is a baby-killing bastard. A hemorrhoid on the sphincter of the universe. I hope he gets his ass beat in jail every fucking day. Repeatedly. Brutally. And at great length.




  • 21

    bornagainpagan

    Apr 27, 2008 at 5:30 am -

    As Andrew was found by medical staff to have injuries of varying ages (bruises, abrasions, belt marks to his legs), why is it that his mother wasn’t aware of those prior to the fatal injuries? and how come the boy was sleeping in the same bed as the boyfriend? the story is a little lop-sided, but that aside, Spagnola’s version of events has the “magic bullet” logic that will have him incarse-erated for a good stretch.




  • 22

    WryBread

    Apr 27, 2008 at 9:29 am -

    Kari Sheppard says that Spagnolo called her at work early on Wednesday afternoon.  He told her that Andrew had “fallen out of bed”, but was fine.  Sheppard called Spagnolo again as she was on her way to pick up Andrew after work, and he told her that Andrew was “tired” and had taken two naps that day rather than one.  When Sheppard arrived at about 6:00 p.m., Andrew wouldn’t wake up.  Sheppard grabbed her son and drove him to the emergency room.

    XKarmaAndChaosX — How could this possibly be an accident? Fallen out of a bed? The mattress must have been about fifty feet high.




  • 23

    mom of 4

    Apr 27, 2008 at 10:45 am -

    XKarmaAndChaosX — How could this possibly be an accident? Fallen out of a bed? The mattress must have been about fifty feet high.

    AAAWWW shucks Wry i think she is referring to the story about how he was “playing” with Andrew. You know when they were having a great time and the penis was throwing Andrew so high in the air that Andrew hit the ceiling and then smashed his head on a piece of furniture on the way down before finally landing head first on the concrete floor! Yeah good times! Doesn’t everyone play that way with a baby? In a garage made of concrete no less? Just a wee accident is all. Of course this piece of shit penis must have felt a bit guilty or something because he didn’t bother to get Andrew any medical attention once his head was smashed on the concrete and he was unresponsive. No, instead this caring guy who would not hurt a child lied to the mother and the cops and just let Andrew lay there for hours needing medical attention.




  • 24

    What Would Satan Do

    Apr 27, 2008 at 12:43 pm -

    Shame Andrew was so young.
    He could have watched this helpful how to video…
    Get A New Daddy !




  • 25

    ImmortalOne

    Apr 27, 2008 at 1:14 pm -

    This child was not being abused and had never been abused.

    I have to disagree, the moment my children had any kind of marks that they didn’t come from eachother (my girls are monsters at times, yes). I would have kicked my husband/boyfriend out at the first sign. Period. How could she not have noticed the marks on that little guys legs?

    Shame Andrew was so young.
    He could have watched this helpful how to video…
    Get A New Daddy !

    Funny ass video to an extent.




  • 26

    jenster

    Apr 27, 2008 at 2:19 pm -

    Exactly what Angel said……

    BTW: I Have an 18 month old baby. This story makes me want to vomit.




  • 27

    CorruptedMistress

    Apr 27, 2008 at 5:52 pm -

    The study Broken Homes and Battered Children by Robert Whelan [Family Education Trust, 1993] found that the incidence of child abuse is 20 times higher for children living with their cohabiting parents and 33 times higher among children living with their mother and her boyfriend compared to children living with their biological, married parents. Similar risks apply in cases of fatal child abuse. The overwhelming number of child deaths occurred in households in which the child’s biological mother was cohabiting with someone who was unrelated to the child.

    The Heritage Organization study found that although boyfriends contribute less than 2 percent of all nonparental child care, they commit almost half of all reported abuse by nonparents. As researcher Leslie Margolin put it, “A young child left alone with a mother’s boyfriend experiences elevated risk of physical abuse.”

    Mothers form a bond with children in the womb, we love what is growing inside of us and the new life that was created. Many fathers feel the same way, while they don’t have the initial bond of the child, many weep in the delivery room when they hear their child cry and get to see the beautiful life they created. They love how much the child looks like them and can’t wait to do everything with their son.

    When a boyfriend enters the picture, there is no immediate love. Yes, it is wrong to assume that this man could harm your child simply because he is the new boyfriend but like a new relationship, the love has to build. Many men will see that this child is undesirable baggage or an interference especially if your new boyfriend has children of his own.

    It is a high risk to leave your child with your boyfriend. I don’t care what anyone has to say, it is a proven hazard that has proven fatal for many children. It doesn’t mean that over time, that this man may grow to love your child but you really need to see how this man could fit into your lifestyle with your children before you move in together and start using him as a regular babysitter. There are so many things men would rather be doing it, and I would guess by the statistics that babysitting another dude’s child isn’t one of them.

    I am a single mom and have been with a current boyfriend for almost a year. He is great with my son but we have not moved into together and he never babysits my son. It’s nothing to do with how much I trust him, I just don’t want him to get overwhelmed. I know that even *I* get overwhelmed and I love my child to death so I can see anyone getting overwhelmed with him. I just want what is best for my child and don’t care if anyone feels slighted that I won’t go out and let them sit with my child for a few hours. My son will always come first.

    It’s just smart to look at the relationship and consider everything before you run into a guy you think is “wonderful” and “loving” because he is willing to spend the night a few times a week even though you have a child/children and give him access to everything in your life. Give time for it to grow and see where it goes. Your child ’s life depends on it.




  • 28

    JayClair

    Apr 27, 2008 at 6:41 pm -

    What a horrible thing to happen to that little guy. Also horribly written story




  • 29

    Dakota Valkyrie

    Apr 27, 2008 at 7:40 pm -

    Also horribly written story

    I re-read the article to make sure I was not being swayed by Impqueen’s many charms. Looks like she says what she thinks and she thinks not too much of Andrew Sheppard’s mother’s penis or women like her.

    What’s wrong with that??




  • 30

    impqueen

    Apr 27, 2008 at 8:06 pm -

    What a horrible thing to happen to that little guy. Also horribly written story

    Thanks! Glad you liked it. :D

    Actually, I have nothing against the mother in this case. She’s suffering enough. I’m sure she didn’t know her man was gonna do this. But the fact is, so many babies are killed every year by the guy that’s sleeping with Mommy that it’s high time women learn that it’s risky at best to use their sex partners as babysitters - even moreso if the sex partner is an unemployed male.

    So, horribly written from a technical standpoint, or because you didn’t like my thoughts on the matter? It’s really important to me to know, because if my grammar and usage is at stake, I take it uber-personally and go all Dobby, beating my head on stuff and burning my hands with an iron. But if it’s just my opinion you have an issue with, that’s okay.
    Welcome to the site!




  • 31

    Angel

    Apr 27, 2008 at 8:33 pm -

    Also horribly written story

    I loved your writing, Imp. It must have been your opinion he took issue with, because the grammar and usage looked A-OK to me! He probably doesn’t like my comments, either. But that’s OK, a lot of people do not “get” my particular brand of informational humor. And you know what? I really don’t give a farmer’s fuck what others think…….

    Great story, AND well written! :-D




  • 32

    Ruby

    Apr 27, 2008 at 8:41 pm -

    The study Broken Homes and Battered Children by Robert Whelan [Family Education Trust, 1993] found that the incidence of child abuse is 20 times higher for children living with their cohabiting parents and 33 times higher among children living with their mother and her boyfriend compared to children living with their biological, married parents. Similar risks apply in cases of fatal child abuse. The overwhelming number of child deaths occurred in households in which the child’s biological mother was cohabiting with someone who was unrelated to the child.

    Whoa, there! I don’t have ample time at the moment to fully research this organization, but from under 1 minute on their website I can tell I’m not likely to find them to be without bias. LOL. They believe sex education is responsible for a rise in teen pregnancies and STDs, they villify anyone supporting same-sex marriages, and they say teen promiscuity is a direct result of being in a single-parent household (I could believe a correlative relationship, but not purely causal). Suffice to say, I dislike them intensely already. Simple solutions proposed for simple minds, if you ask me (which you didn’t).

    Anyway, I wasn’t refuting that more children die/are injured at the hands of live-ins and steps than others, but that Imp’s post painted it as the normal course of events. As in, you can’t trust them damned men. And I’m saying, the evil-doers and harmers are still a miniscule percentage of the folks in the field, ergo, all men should not be tarred with that particularly sticky brush.

    Having now glanced at your so-called “source”, though, I may be forced to refute the data you’ve quoted, too!




  • 33

    Nell

    Apr 27, 2008 at 8:43 pm -

    Angel, I’m almost afraid to ask, but what is a farmers fuck? That is a new one, even for you. But I do agree, Imp wrote the truth from her unfortunate knowledge gathered for this site.




  • 34

    impqueen

    Apr 27, 2008 at 8:50 pm -

    For the first time ever, Impqueen has completely failed me, and I found myself stammering and sputtering and acting like a damned fool in disbelief, and I just couldn’t frame my thoughts.

    Awww. That sucks. I’m sorry you’re disappointed. I wonder if perhaps you missed the part where I said “new boyfriend” and not “stable influence in child’s life”. There are men who are quite capable of caring for children, even staying at home with children - but a new relationship is not really the best place to experiment with that. A relatively new boyfriend who is unemployed and living in a friend’s garage is probably not the most stable child caregiver. That’s not to say that a father or stepfather who has been in the home for a long time and who has proven himself a stable, patient person wouldn’t be just fine. Actually, I think Andrew probably would be alive had he been left with his father and not with mom’s new boyfriend. If that wasn’t your issue, then I dunno what to tell you.

    I was pretty damned disappointed in Spagnolo, actually. In point of fact, I’m pretty damned disappointed in people who think they can leave their kids with whoever they happen to be fucking and it’ll be okay. I’m tired of writing “mother’s boyfriend kills baby” stories. I’m sick to death of them. But as long as they keep crossing my desk on a daily basis, I’m honor-bound to say something. If I hit a nerve, if I offend people, good. That’s kind of what we do here. Maybe someone will read this article and decide that maybe she needs a babysitter who is not her new unemployed boyfriend who lives in his friends’ garage, and maybe a baby’s life will be saved.

    Of course this piece of shit penis must have felt a bit guilty or something because he didn’t bother to get Andrew any medical attention once his head was smashed on the concrete and he was unresponsive. No, instead this caring guy who would not hurt a child lied to the mother and the cops and just let Andrew lay there for hours needing medical attention.

    ExACTly. Thank you.




  • 35

    Angel

    Apr 27, 2008 at 8:54 pm -

    A farmer’s fuck is kinda like a tinker’s damn, only more colorful! :-D

    Just a play on words. I think a farmer’s fuck, in this context would be like, maybe, a really ugly sheep? Something without worth. Less than nothing. LOL.




  • 36

    Ruby

    Apr 27, 2008 at 9:05 pm -

    I was pretty damned disappointed in Spagnolo, actually. In point of fact, I’m pretty damned disappointed in people who think they can leave their kids with whoever they happen to be fucking and it’ll be okay. I’m tired of writing “mother’s boyfriend kills baby” stories. I’m sick to death of them. But as long as they keep crossing my desk on a daily basis, I’m honor-bound to say something. If I hit a nerve, if I offend people, good. That’s kind of what we do here. Maybe someone will read this article and decide that maybe she needs a babysitter who is not her new unemployed boyfriend who lives in his friends’ garage, and maybe a baby’s life will be saved.

    I’m sick of ‘em, too, Imp. We all are, and it seems there’s been a awful rash of them the last couple of weeks. Worse than usual.

    I’ve never left my kids with a boyfriend, because I’m lucky enough to be married to their father. But other people HAVE babysat my children at times. Not every person with a penis will get fed up and violent when a child cries. My real point here is that the question of who you may safely leave your children with is not really about the plumbing, but about a whole host of other factors about that person, their relationship to the children, their background and stability, etc.

    I’ve got the “innie” type of plumbing myself, but … read this slowly, now… I don’t like small children. Seriously. I don’t find mewling infants cute. Never did. I never cared for a child in my life until I had my own. I am *not* the person you want to leave with your children. Not because I will slam their heads into walls, but because I will become cranky and obnoxious and resentful, and you may end our friendship by your request. And I don’t have a penis (at least not one attached to my body by nature). Conversely, some who come equipped with that “outie” plumbing are far more nurturing and patient than I (my brother springs to mind).

    I just hate broad generalizations. ‘Tis all.




  • 37

    impqueen

    Apr 27, 2008 at 9:16 pm -

    edited to stop attempting to explain what I wrote. :P

    I like men. I do not hate men. At no point did I say that men were evil or incapable of caring for children, ever. Okay?




  • 38

    Nell

    Apr 27, 2008 at 9:20 pm -

    Just a play on words. I think a farmer’s fuck, in this context would be like, maybe, a really ugly sheep? Something without worth. Less than nothing. LOL.

    I knew it would be something dirty, I just wanted to see how dirty! Angel, you too funny. But if we did get a sheep fucking farmer on the front page somebody would show up to claim he was just using a new shearing technique.




  • 39

    Ruby

    Apr 27, 2008 at 9:24 pm -

    Yep, I don’t have to like everything you write. Since 99.9% of it speaks to my heart, though, I can live with it. :-) And you totally ammended post 34 either while I was typing a reply or immediately thereafter. Sucks for me.

    I can’t even remember what about the initial story rubbed me SO raw. When I read it now it sounds like you’re talking about new boyfirends. Something in my initial read of it struck me as more generally about men, but I don’t remember what.

    Now off to write a paper or three before the sand finishes running through the hourglass.




  • 40

    Ruby

    Apr 27, 2008 at 9:25 pm -

    Oy, and now post 37 has been edited while I answered, too!
    I give up for the night. :-) I can’t win.




  • 41

    mom of 4

    Apr 27, 2008 at 9:29 pm -

    edited to stop attempting to explain what I wrote.

    Good choice Imp. I agree with you 100% and know exactly what you were saying. I also love the way you write. ;)




  • 42

    WryBread

    Apr 27, 2008 at 9:48 pm -

    What a horrible thing to happen to that little guy. Also horribly written story

    Maybe this post-er meant it was a powerfully written story — the horror of what happened made clear by Imp’s way with words. I think Imp did a good job of showing how ridiculous this man’s excuses are — he killed the kid and it’s clear.

    I think it’s sad that the status of having a man in their life will make many women put up with men who are inferior specimens. I still feel that there were warning signs that this man was dangerous to the child. I don’t buy the “snapped’ crap any more.




  • 43

    Angel

    Apr 27, 2008 at 10:22 pm -

    But if we did get a sheep fucking farmer on the front page somebody would show up to claim he was just using a new shearing technique.

    Or that he was trying to improve his own gene pool by producing children who were more intelligent than he is….Baa-a-a-a-a-a-a. Da-a-a-a-a-a-dde-e-e-e-e-e. *snicker*




  • 44

    bornagainpagan

    Apr 28, 2008 at 8:20 am -

    But if we did get a sheep fucking farmer on the front page somebody would show up to claim he was just using a new shearing technique.

    You see, mate, you literally “fuck” the wool right off its back, and ya crutch it at the same time. It’s bloody marvellous! Don’t know why I didn’t think of it before I was married, just quietly…




  • 45

    LeeMouse

    Apr 28, 2008 at 9:44 am -

    Personally, I don’t think broad generalizations are always bad. Sometimes they’re all we have to keep us safe. So much information flies at our brains every single second that we don’t have time to sift through and evaluate all of it before making a timely decision, so the broad generalization keeps us safe. Not all drunk drivers kill somebody. Doesn’t mean you should ever hop in a car with a drunk driver. Not all men who approach you in a dark parking lot when you’re leaving work late at night are going to rape and kill you. Doesn’t mean you should get in his van because he might actually be a nice guy. Not all relatively new, unemployed boyfriends will kill their girlfriend’s child. And plenty of abusers are blood relations. Neither one of those things means that you won’t cut down the chances of something horrible happening to your child if you make the broad generalization that it’s not a good idea to leave your child with a young, physically capable male who can’t even manage to get and hold a manual labor job.




  • 46

    LeeMouse

    Apr 28, 2008 at 10:02 am -

    Plenty of studies and professional opinions, not affiliated with organizations with a right-wing agenda, which find the same increased danger of abuse from boyfriend/babysitters–




  • 47

    shadow_dreamz

    Apr 28, 2008 at 1:09 pm -

    So, horribly written from a technical standpoint, or because you didn’t like my thoughts on the matter? It’s really important to me to know, because if my grammar and usage is at stake, I take it uber-personally and go all Dobby, beating my head on stuff and burning my hands with an iron. But if it’s just my opinion you have an issue with, that’s okay.
    Welcome to the site!

    I didn’t see anything wrong with your writing, so stop banging your head on stuff or at least put a helmet on first O_o

    I loved your writing, Imp. It must have been your opinion he took issue with, because the grammar and usage looked A-OK to me! He probably doesn’t like my comments, either. But that’s OK, a lot of people do not “get” my particular brand of informational humor. And you know what? I really don’t give a farmer’s fuck what others think…….

    That’s our Angel for you, she never minces words. =)