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	<title>Comments on: Tiffany Valentine Was In A Hurry</title>
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		<title>By: WryBread</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-24610</link>
		<dc:creator>WryBread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œshe doesnâ€™t look bright enoughâ€¦â€?? How can you tell that, Wry? I try not to judge presentability or intelligence based on mugshots, because they invariably SUCK and are taken when folks is at their worst.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Mugshots sure aren&#039;t glamour photos, but on the other hand they do tend to convey an attitude and I look into this woman&#039;s dull eyes and I do not see a bright, articulate, educated or self-educated person who is having a bad day looking back! But I should have said &quot;appear to be bright enough&quot; because it is her photo with her garbled story about the hospital -- and her leaving a 10 year old on the side of a highway -- that make me think she&#039;s not of great mental ability. For the sake of her SEVEN kids, I hope I&#039;m wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€œshe doesnâ€™t look bright enoughâ€¦â€?? How can you tell that, Wry? I try not to judge presentability or intelligence based on mugshots, because they invariably SUCK and are taken when folks is at their worst.</p></blockquote>
<p>Mugshots sure aren&#8217;t glamour photos, but on the other hand they do tend to convey an attitude and I look into this woman&#8217;s dull eyes and I do not see a bright, articulate, educated or self-educated person who is having a bad day looking back! But I should have said &#8220;appear to be bright enough&#8221; because it is her photo with her garbled story about the hospital &#8212; and her leaving a 10 year old on the side of a highway &#8212; that make me think she&#8217;s not of great mental ability. For the sake of her SEVEN kids, I hope I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandella</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-24603</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How twisted is the system?  

I find myself sympathizing more and more with this mother.  Especially now that she&#039;s being denied unsupervised visits with her children.  

It&#039;s dawned on me that every time I&#039;ve seen a parent actually treated badly by the courts or DCFS or whomever, they&#039;ve been good parents. 

And every time DCFS walked away and ignored the problems, that&#039;s when there were real problems. 

So, if the system is against this woman, I find myself wanting to be in her corner.  

How despicable is that?  

(PS this does not change my opinion that she should NOT have driven off, but it does make sense &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; she might make a bad decision, being rushed to get back to the hospital for one, having one acting up, and having 5 others just to deal with. Talk about over-stressed.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How twisted is the system?  </p>
<p>I find myself sympathizing more and more with this mother.  Especially now that she&#8217;s being denied unsupervised visits with her children.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s dawned on me that every time I&#8217;ve seen a parent actually treated badly by the courts or DCFS or whomever, they&#8217;ve been good parents. </p>
<p>And every time DCFS walked away and ignored the problems, that&#8217;s when there were real problems. </p>
<p>So, if the system is against this woman, I find myself wanting to be in her corner.  </p>
<p>How despicable is that?  </p>
<p>(PS this does not change my opinion that she should NOT have driven off, but it does make sense <i>why</i> she might make a bad decision, being rushed to get back to the hospital for one, having one acting up, and having 5 others just to deal with. Talk about over-stressed.)</p>
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		<title>By: mom of 4</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-24598</link>
		<dc:creator>mom of 4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A judge denied unsupervised visits with her kids. 

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080509/NEWS01/305090025/1056/COL02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A judge denied unsupervised visits with her kids. </p>
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		<title>By: Ruby</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23251</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;she doesn&#039;t look bright enough...&quot;??   How can you tell that, Wry?   I try not to judge presentability or intelligence based on mugshots, because they invariably SUCK and are taken when folks is at their worst.  ;-)   

I join you in wondering about the family situation, though.  Man, I cannot IMAGINE that many rugruts running around!  I&#039;d go batty!  I&#039;m so glad everyone is ok in this story, even if she did a dipshit maneuver!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;she doesn&#8217;t look bright enough&#8230;&#8221;??   How can you tell that, Wry?   I try not to judge presentability or intelligence based on mugshots, because they invariably SUCK and are taken when folks is at their worst.  <img src='http://www.dreamindemon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />    </p>
<p>I join you in wondering about the family situation, though.  Man, I cannot IMAGINE that many rugruts running around!  I&#8217;d go batty!  I&#8217;m so glad everyone is ok in this story, even if she did a dipshit maneuver!!</p>
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		<title>By: WryBread</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23249</link>
		<dc:creator>WryBread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how all these kids are supported? It doesn&#039;t mention a father in the picture. She doesn&#039;t look bright enough to have a job that commands a big salary. She owns a car. She has a cell phone and a mother to call to pick up the kid cooling his heels by the road. That&#039;s all we know. It&#039;s strange to get these little snapshots of other people&#039;s lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how all these kids are supported? It doesn&#8217;t mention a father in the picture. She doesn&#8217;t look bright enough to have a job that commands a big salary. She owns a car. She has a cell phone and a mother to call to pick up the kid cooling his heels by the road. That&#8217;s all we know. It&#8217;s strange to get these little snapshots of other people&#8217;s lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23180</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;While I donâ€™t condone leaving the child on the highway, her thinking may of been that if she starts looking around for him while leaving the other six kids unattended, she was running the risk of having all her kids running around on the highway~!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I really don&#039;t think she put even that much thought into it. I still think it was a spur of the moment, pissed parent, I&#039;ll teach HIM, kind of thing. Not necessarily mean, or intentional bad parent shit, just irresponsible and stupid. She still needs to have the danger of the situation impressed upon her. And not going back? Idiocy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>While I donâ€™t condone leaving the child on the highway, her thinking may of been that if she starts looking around for him while leaving the other six kids unattended, she was running the risk of having all her kids running around on the highway~!</p></blockquote>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think she put even that much thought into it. I still think it was a spur of the moment, pissed parent, I&#8217;ll teach HIM, kind of thing. Not necessarily mean, or intentional bad parent shit, just irresponsible and stupid. She still needs to have the danger of the situation impressed upon her. And not going back? Idiocy!</p>
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		<title>By: twistedlemon</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23176</link>
		<dc:creator>twistedlemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t condone leaving the child on the highway, her thinking may of been that if she starts looking around for him while leaving the other six kids unattended, she was running the risk of having all her kids running around on the highway~!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t condone leaving the child on the highway, her thinking may of been that if she starts looking around for him while leaving the other six kids unattended, she was running the risk of having all her kids running around on the highway~!</p>
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		<title>By: WryBread</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23148</link>
		<dc:creator>WryBread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it when I double post and don&#039;t even know how it happens. Makes me feel like a published author to have more than one copy of my writing in circulation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it when I double post and don&#8217;t even know how it happens. Makes me feel like a published author to have more than one copy of my writing in circulation!</p>
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		<title>By: WryBread</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23147</link>
		<dc:creator>WryBread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right, Athena. The whole hospital scenario was the &quot;lie freely&quot; reaction that some people have when they get in trouble. &quot;Officer, uh, I was, uh, taking my other child to the hospital!&quot; (Thinking, everyone loves a mom who takes her sick child to get medical care  and everyone will forget about ten-year-old and admire me for being a good mom after I say this.)

She looks subnormal. Just the kind of person gives us all so much by having put seven packages into our gene pool - thus far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right, Athena. The whole hospital scenario was the &#8220;lie freely&#8221; reaction that some people have when they get in trouble. &#8220;Officer, uh, I was, uh, taking my other child to the hospital!&#8221; (Thinking, everyone loves a mom who takes her sick child to get medical care  and everyone will forget about ten-year-old and admire me for being a good mom after I say this.)</p>
<p>She looks subnormal. Just the kind of person gives us all so much by having put seven packages into our gene pool &#8211; thus far.</p>
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		<title>By: WryBread</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23145</link>
		<dc:creator>WryBread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right, Athena. 

She looks subnormal. Just the kind of person gives us all so much by having put seven packages into our gene pool - thus far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right, Athena. </p>
<p>She looks subnormal. Just the kind of person gives us all so much by having put seven packages into our gene pool &#8211; thus far.</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23128</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think thatâ€™s exactly how it played out, Athena.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I still like my version better. :-D  But then, I AM a mean bitch.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think thatâ€™s exactly how it played out, Athena.</p></blockquote>
<p>I still like my version better. <img src='http://www.dreamindemon.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />   But then, I AM a mean bitch&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: impqueen</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23125</link>
		<dc:creator>impqueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s exactly how it played out, Athena.</description>
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		<title>By: Athena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Athena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s an idiot.  Still, I don&#039;t think this is especially heinous.  Not to say I condone it, but...

I could see driving a child to wherever, only for another of my children to throw a fit, pulling the ol&#039; &quot;let me out!&quot; routine.  Stressed out and sick of hearing it, I pull over, &quot;daring&quot; him to get out of the car.  He actually does.  Completely fucking pissed at this point, I take off, fully intending to come back for him, but not immediately.  I want this experience to scare him so that I don&#039;t have to deal with it again.

Yep...not the route I would take, but I can totally see it playing out like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s an idiot.  Still, I don&#8217;t think this is especially heinous.  Not to say I condone it, but&#8230;</p>
<p>I could see driving a child to wherever, only for another of my children to throw a fit, pulling the ol&#8217; &#8220;let me out!&#8221; routine.  Stressed out and sick of hearing it, I pull over, &#8220;daring&#8221; him to get out of the car.  He actually does.  Completely fucking pissed at this point, I take off, fully intending to come back for him, but not immediately.  I want this experience to scare him so that I don&#8217;t have to deal with it again.</p>
<p>Yep&#8230;not the route I would take, but I can totally see it playing out like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Hippiepoet</title>
		<link>http://www.dreamindemon.com/2008/04/25/tiffany-valentine-was-in-a-hurry/#comment-23120</link>
		<dc:creator>Hippiepoet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say she was frazzled. But for me personally if my 11 yr old was throwing some damn fit, hell no I would not drop them off on the fucking interstate. I would of told them to shut the fuck up or face a goddamn punishment, sit back and let me get their sibling to the fucking hospital.

The sister definitely made a wrong decision. Her kid could have easily been hit on the Freeway. Those things are fucking killers. (Note Hippie hates cars and busy cities/highways). 

Should her other children be taken away.....don&#039;t know what their life was like up until this incident. If the mother is known for making asshat decisions on a repeated basis, perhaps some parenting classes would be indicated here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say she was frazzled. But for me personally if my 11 yr old was throwing some damn fit, hell no I would not drop them off on the fucking interstate. I would of told them to shut the fuck up or face a goddamn punishment, sit back and let me get their sibling to the fucking hospital.</p>
<p>The sister definitely made a wrong decision. Her kid could have easily been hit on the Freeway. Those things are fucking killers. (Note Hippie hates cars and busy cities/highways). </p>
<p>Should her other children be taken away&#8230;..don&#8217;t know what their life was like up until this incident. If the mother is known for making asshat decisions on a repeated basis, perhaps some parenting classes would be indicated here.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;27 and 7 kids..&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Holy fucking baby machine!!! I would also bet the tax payers are supporting all 7 of those kids and her fat ass as well..
In some cases, sterilization should be mandatory..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>27 and 7 kids..</p></blockquote>
<p>Holy fucking baby machine!!! I would also bet the tax payers are supporting all 7 of those kids and her fat ass as well..<br />
In some cases, sterilization should be mandatory..</p>
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