He was probably chewing on a wad of "baccer," which is what most know as chewing tobacco. -LOL!

MadeaBecBec: I ain’t preachin’, I’m testifyin’ …..

While I respect your beliefs, I must disagree with that statement. I'd prefer not to be assaulted with Jesus and Bible quotes. No offense.

Morbid said "If a demon was a dreamin', it's good dreams would be
our nightmares..... "
And they are!!
On earth when babies suffer, children starved to death, children molested and tortured is the dreams of a demon, a living nightmare for us.  The tragedy of  people doing evil goes back to the days of Adam and Eve, from that first bite into the apple, we have suffered for it, yet strived to be better, not only to please God, Our Creator, but because when we are good and helpful and kind, it feels good to the heart and soul.
Being evil is miserable! God gave us freewill and just like most parents,
all that He desires is for us to be happy and good and give Him a Thanks periodically for giving us the skills and tools to use to be good and kind. The fear of Him, that God desires from us, is not the kind of fear alot of preachers preach, it's simply RESPECT for Him and that as our Father, knowing that He can take us out at any time, yet, chooses not to, because HE knows our future, HE knows exactly what it takes to turn it around and be a better person, if that means allowing a child to be beaten to death, to shock us into doing good to all mankind, then He allows that to happen. It's called sacrifice,  He allowed it with His only Son, His Son dying saved us, every single one of us! Getting angry with God for allowing things like this, is like getting angry at your family for not being good-looking or having the "perfect" body, it's futile!
As Gods children, all we have to do to please Him, is "Do unto others as you would want to be done unto yourself", in other words, consideration and compassionate caring of your fellowman. I understand how some people might not believe in God, especially, if those people have never witnessed the miracle of a baby being born. Never once thinking "How was I made, given lungs to breathe, a heart that beats strong, the sense of smell and a complex ability to think, the ability to conceive and give birth to another and how it all works?" Have you never wondered about how it is you came to be? Big Bang theory???!!!
Pfffttt, Who created the Big Bang???
Just always keep in mind, no matter your "beliefs" You always reap what you've sown, some people call it Karma....
I believe in Heaven, not only because the Bible tells us this, but, because I love my God and I know it in my heart and spirit, that heaven is where He is and there is no suffering or sorrow there. In heaven there is only Immense Joy and Celebration, I know this...and I feel sympathy for those who don't and I pray for them to "get it" before they leave this earth..... I honestly and sincerely do pray and I don't pray for appearance sake or to impress anyone, I do it because I have been blessed with the freedom and a loving spirit to do so......It is my pleasure!!!
I ain't preachin', I'm testifyin' .....
As for Danielle Bowen, she will eventually get what she gave! We may not get to witness it, but it will happen.
By the Grace of God, go I....

auddie:
38?  That’s a nice age to get out of prison, I’d say.  Also, the son that lived will be around 23 and old enough to protect himself from his boot-scooting bitch of a mother.

38 is right....she'll still be young when she gets out.....young nuff to have more kids if she'd like.....That's a mighty light sentence , for killing a little baby.


Believe or not....there's a lot of History in Anderon

HotReadingMama: I believe he said “I told her, um my neighbor, that the baby was dead…ya know….you could tell” What Malq, you dont speak redneck?I think I may be related to these people.

I lived near Anderson many years ago; obviously the Pelzer area hasn't changed a bit. It's just as I remember it; and that's how they really talk (and think). So sad.

I don't understand how anyone can hurt a baby. Babies are soooo cute, they can't talk back, they are loveable...teenagers on the other hand I can understand how they get beaten to death...not that I condone it or anything.

I had a baby at a young age and I was so attached to my child that I couldn't bear to watch him going through teething without crying myself. Heartless people are a waste of air and should all be shot in the face. There should be no second chances for ANYONE who abuses another person. I don't care what kind of depression you have. Bullets end depression. If your so depressed your thinking about killing your kids follow these steps:
1. STOP
2. GRAB A GUN...preferrably one with a higher calliber, the bigger the better
3. Put the gun in your mouth at about a 45 degree angle
4. Pull the trigger....
Everyone wins! Baby gets to grow up without abuse and depression issue is solved!

malq: Beat your neighbors. Not your kids.  They are much more deserving and have the ability to defend a size nine to the chest. Speaking of neighbors,, WTF DID THAT GUY SAY?  That really improves my perception of southern WT. Was she wearing sneakers or heels or what? It’s an outrage.

I believe he said "I told her, um my neighbor, that the baby was dead...ya know....you could tell" What Malq, you dont speak redneck?

I think I may be related to these people.

Beat your neighbors. Not your kids.  They are much more deserving and have the ability to defend a size nine to the chest. Speaking of neighbors,, WTF DID THAT GUY SAY?  That really improves my perception of southern WT.
Was she wearing sneakers or heels or what? It's an outrage.

38?  That's a nice age to get out of prison, I'd say.  Also, the son that lived will be around 23 and old enough to protect himself from his boot-scooting bitch of a mother.

Well, at least her other kid will have the chance to grow up a little before she gets out in a couple of years. I just wished that they would spend in prison the entire sentence they are given.

better to believe there is a heaven then to not believe just incase there is :), Alot of what my bible teaches is the morals that all should live their lives based on. My dad said the bible was written as a book of rules to keep the humans from turning evil. The kids the last 30 years or so have not been raised to go to church like us older folks it is something I plan to do regularly with my grandchildren. I started taking my kids then stopped and regret it now they are young adults and just don't seem to have the faith in God like I do. Each one of us has to experience the truth in our own way - I had a large young group that was very active and we had great teachers to show us the way. It is not something someone can instill in us It is an experience and once you see the light nothing will change your mind their is a GOD. I would like to one day go to heaven but without my body I just don't seem too impressed about leaving this earth I want to stay here forever and ever I want to see my grandchildren grow up to be adults and watch them have families... I want to live where I am free to enjoy the beauties of the earth ... not behind BARS.

I don’t need a carrot dangled in front of me

yeah Why Why Why ?

“When Bad Things Happen to Good People,” kept me going for a while longer in my faith. But I kept thinking there should be a companion volume, “When Good Things Happen to Bad People,” which needs a lot more explaining to me than the idea that God will swat them around a lot when they are dead.

LOL

You go Miss.Hill!….I find the screams resulting from a counter-clockwise motion that punctures the prostate to be most satisfying! *evilgrin*

Oh yeah Amen to that !!!

Our job is to stand up for what we know is right, regardless of belief system. If you hurt a child and we can find your picture, you will be here, and people will come and laugh at you. That is what DD’s front page is about.

Do Something about it ... we could move mountains if we were given the tools and the know how to change the way criminals are processed ... Who's the Chairperson to LEAD US.... ?

Good! You are now like me, and exactly why the site is designed the way it is. Wake up, get mad, do something about it…ANYTHING. But don’t read these stories, drink your coffee shake your head with disgust and go on to the next. Post about it, be disgusted, be vocal! Talk to your reps, write letters for stiffer penalties, volunteer to help victims, whatever.

Welcome Light ... I love that... without mothers their would be no life...
I have a T-Shirt "MoM spelled upside down spells WoW" 0.O

this is so hard to read, another baby STOMPED, thrown over a bridge - what the fuck is wrong with people... Good God Help us !

I agree with you blackheart, I also had kids when i was very young, 2 of them before i was 18 and i never thought of hurting either one of them. Hell if it was to much for her, step away for a bit, let your parents watch the little ones. and go hit a tree or the wall but ya dont hit your kids. This bit** Needs to be treated the same way she did that baby and she will. Maybe her and Susan Smith will be together. Seems like they have alot in common.

The step father calls this person smart? Two kids by the time she is 18 and one of them beaten to death, that does not constitute smart where I am from. Outgoing? Yes she was~ Open to any and all, 24/7 it seems. The guys at the trailer park will surely be missing her!!!

Another adult who accidentally hurt a kid.... yeah! right well like that defense won't work lets throw the postpartum depression.....oh! lord!

I dont give a fuck if she had post partum depression.
I had 2 kids at 18. I had an abusive partner. And the baby had ADD.
I was'nt exactly happy.
But you don't beat up your kids, kill your kids, treat your kids like a piece of garbage, if you love your kids. Not unless you're mentally VERY unwell.
If she did'nt want her she should've handed her over.

I have to respond to this one…. What tribe was this guy from other than the ‘WANNABE’ tribe?

Well, he did say to me that his grandmother was Navajo and that made him one-half Indian (we all say Indian around here, including the Indians). The math seemed a little off to me! That's not all that seemed off to me, if you get my drift .... When he made the women-excluded remark after going on and on about this wonderful religious path he was discovering, it made me furious. Rather like bragging how great the Masons are and then announcing women can't join.!

Perhaps he was of the "Iron Man John" sweat lodge deal -- you know, where men go off in the woods together, beat drums, and reclaim their inner whatever. Can't remember the name of the man who started that. He's a poet.

Thanks for clarifying the subject. What tribe are you, if you don't mind?

Smiley face is colon : and right side parenthesis ) together no space :)

Today, this guy was going on and on about Native American religion and how much he gets out of the 4-hour sweat lodge prayer. Then he says, “Women aren’t allowed in the sweat lodge at all.” And I said, “That’s why I don’t have a religion. There is one of them that doesn’t treat women like trash.”

I have to respond to this one.... What tribe was this guy from other than the 'WANNABE' tribe? It seems more and more non natives are creating their own form of 'native religion'.... I am native, live on rez (reservation) and I take part in sweat ceremonies anytime I choose... It is a part of our life... Women and men both must learn to run a sweat, not everyone can go in and do this... Some tribes, men and women go in seperate, some together... It simply depends on the culture... Native people are one yet are many... No tribe has exactly the same traditions and cultures thus one can not lump 'native' together as if one thing applies to all...

Different strokes to different tribes but I'm racking my brain to remember a tribe who excludes women... ? Not only do women take part, women hold a very high place in our culture.... There are not just medicine men, there are medicine women...

The guy who said this to you Wrybread, obviously forgot that the earth is referred to as 'mother earth'.... Women are honored because they become mothers and without mothers there would be no life.... I am proud to be a woman in my culture! He needs to get a life and stop playing indian... If he is indian, that warrior done lost his mind! Aaaaeeeiii!!!! lololol

Today, this guy was going on and on about Native American religion and how much he gets out of the 4-hour sweat lodge prayer. Then he says, "Women aren't allowed in the sweat lodge at all." And I said, "That's why I don't have a religion. There is one of them that doesn't treat women like trash."

And that ended our conversation.

There are two that treat women pretty well: the Shakers and the Neo-pagans. But no chance to practice either where I live (emoticon smiley face here - still haven't figured that out yet and am embarrassed to ask after making such a big deal about not being able to log in to the forums).

Remember in the movie "The Mummy" and that one dude who was trying to steal and run, came in contact with the mummy... So he started praying in the language of one religion, then another, and another, and another, till he got the right one for the situation.... ;)

If mommy 'asks and is forgiven' of her sins before she dies, do you think she will be given pretty little wings so she can fly around in Heaven with the baby she brutally murdered? Ooooh, maybe she will die by someone stomping the fuck out of her too so they can talk about what it felt like! How sweeeeeeeeeeeet..........................................................

I believe the only hell we have to worry about is what we're living right here, right now on Earth. Don't believe me? Look at any one of these articles posted on here. Rape, torture, beating, mutilating, murder....sounds like hell to me.

Be sure and use Craftsman wrenches… Sears will replace them free-of-charge, for any reason, no questions asked.

Don't forget the liquid wrench.

As far as religion goes… … nothing personal, that is, until their ridiculous beliefs and hocus-pocus intrude on my life and interfere with my freedom, which (sad to say) seems to happen a lot in the southeastern US. Then I can get quite rude and insulting.

Lets move on to politics now... ;)
more fun coming

Get outta my private life big brother. I don't need the government to legislate my life. I can fuck up just fine all by myself.

created solely for the purpose of powermongering and the control of the masses.

How true!

I have to go cast a spell to become invisible now so I can cram wrenches up the baby rapers asses, I’ll be back with details!

Be sure and use Craftsman wrenches... Sears will replace them free-of-charge, for any reason, no questions asked.

As far as religion goes... I generally keep my views to myself, as I pretty much despise all organized religions as dangerous, bullshit, collectivist, anti-individualist institutions created solely for the purpose of powermongering and the control of the masses. I have nothing personal against the misguided sheep that follow them, docilely bowing their heads to spiritual and mental enslavement... nothing personal, that is, until their ridiculous beliefs and hocus-pocus intrude on my life and interfere with my freedom, which (sad to say) seems to happen a lot in the southeastern US. Then I can get quite rude and insulting.

Whoops! :)

It is hard to fathom that someone can treat a precious child in such a horrific way. I get pissed too. You sound like a wonderful mom. I share your disgust, kill these sickos asap!

Thank you. My son is 11 now, and I also have a 6 yr old. I've always done the best I can. I'm certainly not a perfect mother (who is?), but my boys are my life. No matter how mad or stressed I get sometimes, I could never hurt them.

Good! You are now like me, and exactly why the site is designed the way it is. Wake up, get mad, do something about it…ANYTHING. But don’t read these stories, drink your coffee shake your head with disgust and go on to the next. Post about it, be disgusted, be vocal! Talk to your reps, write letters for stiffer penalties, volunteer to help victims, whatever.

Exactly. I actually used to author a blog that was part of the earlier 'true crime blogroll'. Sadly, I had to stop writing it, as it was getting to be too hard on my heart. But, I've never stopped trying to help in any way I can. I've been a part of several things, one of which was helping to get additional sex offender laws passed in the suburb I used to live in.
You're so right, Morbid. Sitting and doing nothing isn't going to make these things go away. People need to find their voice- and use it!

Believing in a religion is fine but, it can be comforting and give hope in times when it seems nothing else will but, when followers decide to convert the unbelievers well…More people have died in the name of god than for any other cause. If one truly believes that god will punish those who don’t believe, if one truly believes that unbelievers will spend an eternity in hell, why not wait for that to happen? It seems to me that forcing people to convert is only imposing your will on others, not the will of god.

I agree. I have done a little soul searching myself. People as individuals must make that search and decide for themselves.
Too bad many just follow blindly.
I am gonna be corny- quoting the Beatles here: "all you need is love"
Guess what? You don't have to BE a buddhist to live like buddhist.

I say this broad deserves hell:)

Well said Imp.

My mama taught me that ladies never discuss religion or politics in a public forum. But i guess many of you know that as ladylike behavior goes, this imp is, um.. not always so ladylike :)

My name isn't Imp Queen because I believe in tiny demons who bite you in your sleep. My name is Imp Queen because a long long time ago in a castle in Russia, someone called a baby girl a "shvibzik" ("imp" in Russian) and a few years later Anastasia Romanov got her jeweled corset shot off. And also because i'm cute like that.

I consider myself a spiritual person, and a Christian by faith if not always by observation. In that, Morbid and WWSD and I differ somewhat. Beyond that? Who knows. I don't *know* there's a heaven, but I choose to believe that there is. It doesn't make me feel better when a child is killed, and it doesn't make me glad they're in a better place, if such place does exist. Instead, it makes me angry. It makes me want to shine a light on the things we humans do in the darkness so that no child is ever hurt or unwanted or raped or killed.

But evil does exist. We see it all the time. If a demon was dreamin', Morbid said to me recently, its good dreams would be our nightmares - hence the logo. Evil is evil, no matter what name it goes by. Our job is to stand up for what we know is right, regardless of belief system. If you hurt a child and we can find your picture, you will be here, and people will come and laugh at you. That is what DD's front page is about.

The forums are for movies, fun, drunken revelry and sex, though. So, y'know, something for everyone. :)

I’ve spent countless hours reading this blog… I figured it’s time that I finally comment. I just can’t take this shit anymore!!
I had my 1st child at 18, he ended up with medical problems and has Cerebral Palsy. Being a young mother is hard enough, but having a special needs child is even harder. Even with that, not once did I ever think of hurting my little guy. These so called “mothers” make me fucking sick! I seriously think the time has come to start imposing the death sentence for these evil bitches who hurt and/or kill their children.
I’m so pissed off and incredibly sad after reading these stories non-stop…

Good! You are now like me, and exactly why the site is designed the way it is. Wake up, get mad, do something about it...ANYTHING. But don't read these stories, drink your coffee shake your head with disgust and go on to the next. Post about it, be disgusted, be vocal! Talk to your reps, write letters for stiffer penalties, volunteer to help victims, whatever.

People need to quit thinking that other people are going to take care of the problem.

I have to go cast a spell to become invisible now so I can cram wrenches up the baby rapers asses, I’ll be back with details!

You go Miss.Hill!....I find the screams resulting from a counter-clockwise motion that punctures the prostate to be most satisfying! *evilgrin*

Me? I am determined to have the best experience that I can while I am here and I know that in order to achieve that I need to put out there what I want to get back. Anything else would be cheating.

Right on!

I’ve spent countless hours reading this blog… I figured it’s time that I finally comment. I just can’t take this shit anymore!!I had my 1st child at 18, he ended up with medical problems and has Cerebral Palsy. Being a young mother is hard enough, but having a special needs child is even harder. Even with that, not once did I ever think of hurting my little guy. These so called “mothers” make me fucking sick! I seriously think the time has come to start imposing the death sentence for these evil bitches who hurt and/or kill their children.I’m so pissed off and incredibly sad after reading these stories non-stop…

It is hard to fathom that someone can treat a precious child in such a horrific way. I get pissed too. You sound like a wonderful mom. I share your disgust, kill these sickos asap!

I think the best thing I ever heard was in a movie"Don't have a belief, have ideas. Ideas can change. People will kill and go to war over beliefs".

I understand the comfort issue. I believe religion has a place in society.My head just can’t get wrapped around it. Seems like quite a few wars and jihads have been started over religious beliefs. Many different religious sect believes they are the true and chosen people and we must all convert. If not we should die or at the very least go straight to hell. Why do only certain religions have the God “hook up”.

Believing in a religion is fine but, it can be comforting and give hope in times when it seems nothing else will but, when followers decide to convert the unbelievers well...More people have died in the name of god than for any other cause. If one truly believes that god will punish those who don't believe, if one truly believes that unbelievers will spend an eternity in hell, why not wait for that to happen? It seems to me that forcing people to convert is only imposing your will on others, not the will of god.

Some History Channel trivia:
The Holy Bible is the most sold book...as well as the most shoplifted.

I have always believed that it is all pre-determined and your karmic destiny is already all mapped out. Even for babies. It is horrible to imagine a child in pain or in fear and seeing humans who can inflict that on a child makes it difficult to see the good in the world. I have come to realize that my ability to change these things is very limited. I feel that I would say something or call somebody if I witnessed man's inhumanity to man but, ultimately, I can only accept responsibility for my own walk in this world.

I know that even if you are snuffed out like a candle flame at the end of your life and there is no heaven or hell, it is still better in many ways than what many experience here on earth. Me? I am determined to have the best experience that I can while I am here and I know that in order to achieve that I need to put out there what I want to get back. Anything else would be cheating.

I also know that most of you have hearts of gold.

I've spent countless hours reading this blog... I figured it's time that I finally comment. I just can't take this shit anymore!!
I had my 1st child at 18, he ended up with medical problems and has Cerebral Palsy. Being a young mother is hard enough, but having a special needs child is even harder. Even with that, not once did I ever think of hurting my little guy. These so called "mothers" make me fucking sick! I seriously think the time has come to start imposing the death sentence for these evil bitches who hurt and/or kill their children.
I'm so pissed off and incredibly sad after reading these stories non-stop...

I have to go cast a spell to become invisible now so I can cram wrenches up the baby rapers asses, I’ll be back with details!

I wait eagerly for the details.

The stores logos have to put the name Santa on some things so that the little kids can still believe. It doesn't mean you have to buy it. The same thing with the Easter Bunny. Everything seems black and white in your world, no room for gray. Well, gotta go grocery shopping now. Think I'll buy some Devil's Food Cake (ha-ha).

:) I have to go cast a spell to become invisible now so I can cram wrenches up the baby rapers asses, I'll be back with details!

Great, now we’re all fighting. We all have our own opinions and beliefs.

I wouldn't call it fighting. I think we're perfectly capable of having our own opinions and beliefs even if they're different. I believe that there certainly are good and evil people on our planet. It's interesting that when good things happen, many people are quick to jump to the conclusion that it's part of some higher power's plan, and many others will agree with them. But, when a person does something that is truly "evil", is caught and brought to trial, not a jury in the world would aquit based on a "the devil made me do it" defense. We all make conscious choices in our actions and our actions are what we should be judged by, not our beliefs.

Religion is a touchy subject! Faith helps people get through the tough times. I have noticed alot of mentally ill people become religious fanatics (just an observation). I personally need proof of heaven and hell or purgatory or whatever. Morals are what we are really talking about not commandments, A person with an ounce of humanity and sanity knows the difference between right and wrong. It doesn't matter what religion you follow or if your religion promises heaven, hell, reincarnation or whatever, we all know that murder, rape, etc are wrong. I support people in whatever they choose to believe, if it keeps you going that's great. I do have a hard time swallowing "god has a purpose" when small children are victims of cruel abuse, fatal diseases, and die young. I would love to hear the factual explanation for this!!

I have some strong opinions about religion especially roman catholic. I choose not to argue my reasons as I find some followers of this religion are brain washed that their religion is the only way (I said some). If you choose any other path you are wrong and you are a sinner! I have my beliefs I do not cram them down peoples throats or go door to door with pamphlets. I believe in choosing what feels right for you as an individual.

We all have our own opinions and beliefs.

Thankfully! If we could all learn to respect each others opinions it would be all good;)

I wrote a real kick-butt post, and it got eaten. Not by the site, but by my fingers hitting the wrong keys. God or Satan at work? You decide.

At any rate, I was urging people to read "When Bad Things Happen to Good People." The author is a rabbi and his son died of a terrible illness. People came to him and said it was because of his sin or part of a huge plan. He began to analyze all the comments and decided that there is a God, but he is not omnipotent. There are things in the world beyond his control. This caused quite an uproar and it still makes a very interesting set of thoughts to consider.

I don’t think it’s so much a carrot, as it is comforting to know that someone (God) is watching over you, that someone cares, that maybe there is a purpose behind us being here instead of random chance. I’m not the most religious person, but I understand its purpose.

I understand the comfort issue. I believe religion has a place in society.
My head just can't get wrapped around it. Seems like quite a few wars and jihads have been started over religious beliefs. Many different religious sect believes they are the true and chosen people and we must all convert. If not we should die or at the very least go straight to hell. Why do only certain religions have the God "hook up".

There are no words. God just needed another angel, I guess.

I never get that. Is it truly what people believe? That this baby is flying around heaven with wings and her mother’s footprint on it’s chest? I know that comes off kind of sarcastic, and it is a little…but I am honestly asking. I can understand that for some, it may help to think that this kid is not suffering and playing with the Jesus Christ’s locks of hair as he holds her close…but come on, really?

Does no one think that the whole “Well, she is in a better place” or the “God will punish him\her” type of thinking is EXACTLY why we have so much apathy? I mean, if the kid is ok now, drinking warm milk on a cloud over Arizona, and the killer will get his punishment come Judgement Day…no wonder people do not get absolutely OUTRAGED that this woman curb stomped an infant.

Eh, whatever. Just ranting. But I am curious.

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i'm spiritual but i don't specifically believe in heaven and hell in the classical sense. i don't believe the baby became an angel or that christ died for "our sins". i respect other folks feelings on that subject but i have come to believe differently.

"god" isnt merciful or loving from anything i've ever seen. jesus is dead, there is no saving he can do. he doesnt care - he can't care. he can only help you as much as you want to help yourself. the hope angle is real and it helps many to believe in god/christ/heaven etc.. i wouldnt take that from the people that are comforted by it. i , personally, do not follow that line of belief.

those that die/pass behind the veil-whatever one may call it, die because their physical/biological form could no longer sustain life. i do not believe a higher power calls the person "home'. i do believe the spiritual energy each person carries within themselves, binds and ties together with the earth and the animals in it.

tis a hard subject for many/most. i would not hope to discourage/disparage anyone elses personal beliefs. but the subject was rung up..

when humans came together to form societies, it was decided and agreed that killing other people was wrong (except for the footnote; wars etc) society agreed that all people within the society would follow the laws set down. punishments were set in place for those not adhering to the laws. human society believes they should be above the killing of others=except we see daily that it is very much in human nature to take life. even in the form of taking a life for the taking of a life. so-you see the contraindications of society and humans is wrought with unequated answers. therein lies the rub-doesnt it.

we strive to be something we are biologically engineered not to be or vise versa.

tis all a lab experiment gone a awry-

please do not take umbrage with my point of view-it is only my opinion-

Great, now we’re all fighting. We all have our own opinions and beliefs. If there was no such things as demons, devils or satan, then why did you name this website “Dreamin’ Demon” and even want to look like one? You don’t believe in Demons. Shouldn’t it be named “WTF is Wrong with the World?”

Oh, by your logic, a store that sales Christmas items with Santa on their logo must believe in Santa? :)

And this isn't fighting. This is discussing. I asked the question, remember? But while I do respect the right for people to believe in whatever they want, I do not necessarily respect the belief. No big deal. I was just curious as to how other people felt. If you consider this fighting, then don't ever go in the forums on a religious topic...you would consider that mass murder. :)

And I gave two smiley faces in that post to ensure people, I am not arguing, I was, and still am, curious.

I hope there is a Heaven and Hell. If not, then what is the point?

The point is to try to be an addition to the world, and not a subtraction to its goodness.

I have slowly lost my faith and it makes me sad. It began with those people who think that Jesus finds them good parking spaces -- really. Their egocentricity made me begin to wonder what it was reasonable to expect God to be involved in. The book, "When Bad Things Happen to Good People," kept me going for a while longer in my faith. But I kept thinking there should be a companion volume, "When Good Things Happen to Bad People," which needs a lot more explaining to me than the idea that God will swat them around a lot when they are dead.

I don't understand how a stupid song such as, "Who Will Hold Her Hand When She Crosses the Street in Heaven?" could be a hit. Do people really believe that Heaven has dangerous traffic? or that any God would let the fictional five-year-old wander around alone in the streets? It's all too precious for me.

Great, now we're all fighting. We all have our own opinions and beliefs. If there was no such things as demons, devils or satan, then why did you name this website "Dreamin' Demon" and even want to look like one? You don't believe in Demons. Shouldn't it be named "WTF is Wrong with the World?"

I don't think it's so much a carrot, as it is comforting to know that someone (God) is watching over you, that someone cares, that maybe there is a purpose behind us being here instead of random chance. I'm not the most religious person, but I understand its purpose.

I hope there is a Heaven and Hell. If not, then what is the point?

Why does there have to be a point?

Is there a point for each slug or crawfish or tick on the planet? I'm not really buying it.

How about treating each other humanely and with tolerance because we can? Because we're evolved enough to understand what suffering means and make a choice not to inflict it on others, instead of because big-daddy with the flowing white beard will smite us in an afterlife if we don't behave. I don't like being treated like a wayward child.

Great joke I saw not long ago....two aliens are talking, and one says that earthlings have developed some advanced, satellite-guided weapons systems. The other alien says, "Oh, so they're becoming an intelligent species?" "Not really, says the first --- they have the weapons pointed at themselves...." :-)

Seriously, we're all in it together on one not-so-big planet: we either figure it out, or we don't. But I don't think anyone out in the cosmos (or heavens) is going to save us from ourselves -- either here or in the hereafter.

I don’t need a carrot dangled in front of me to motivate me to move forward. I try to be a good person because it is the right thing to do, not because I think I will be rewarded for it…or punished for it if I am not.

I respect the beliefs of others. I want that respect in return.
I agreee Morbid. I do the right thing cause its the right thing to do. Not out of fear of heaven or hell. I don't believe in heaven or hell in the biblical sense. As humans we have an understanding of right and wrong. If we didn't why would we try to hide the stuff we are ashamed of.

“The smallest of Heaven’s angels is more powerful than the largest of earthly problems.”

Yeah, I am a fan of quotes. But in the case of that one, I say "prove it" and counter with "There is not enough love and kindness in the world to give any of it away to imaginary beings."

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I hope there is a Heaven and Hell. If not, then what is the point?

That's a sad stance, to me. Why anyone needs a Heaven or fear of Hell to take their life and live it to it's full potential. To be nice to your neighbor, to not be a dick and just attempt leading a life that is beneficial to the human race...well I guess I just don't get it.

I don't need a carrot dangled in front of me to motivate me to move forward. I try to be a good person because it is the right thing to do, not because I think I will be rewarded for it...or punished for it if I am not.

But whatever helps you get through the day, I guess.

Thanks MomofTwins! Morbid (Yu-Gi-Oh Character), I've seen this quote and it's comforting: "The smallest of Heaven's angels is more powerful than the largest of earthly problems."

I hope there is a Heaven and Hell. If not, then what is the point?

I never get that. Is it truly what people believe? That this baby is flying around heaven with wings and her mother’s footprint on it’s chest? I know that comes off kind of sarcastic, and it is a little…but I am honestly asking. I can understand that for some, it may help to think that this kid is not suffering and playing with the Jesus Christ’s locks of hair as he holds her close…but come on, really?

I think you may have hit a nail squarely on the head here. Believing makes it easier to deal. Isn't that what religion is really about? The notion of god etc. came about in an entirely different world. A time when someone got sick because it was god's will, at the time bacteria and infections were unknowns. I could rant on and on and on here, but I think you get my point. As much fun as I have playing one of Satan's minions here, I don't believe these places...Heaven & Hell...really exist outside our own minds.

Does no one think that the whole “Well, she is in a better place” or the “God will punish him\her” type of thinking is EXACTLY why we have so much apathy? I mean, if the kid is ok now, drinking warm milk on a cloud over Arizona, and the killer will get his punishment come Judgement Day…no wonder people do not get absolutely OUTRAGED that this woman curb stomped an infant.

I think it makes people feel better to have faith and believe that when we die, we go to a better place. Especially children.

I don't know if parenting classes in highschool would be that effective. I passed home ec and I can't cook or sew for shit. I think young mothers, while prego should have to go through mandatory parenting classes. They should be made to watch child abuse videos that are very explicit. The consequences of abusing a child should be drilled into them. The options of where to take your child if you think you are going to harm them should be given on fridge magnets with addresses and phone numbers listed. Make sure they understand the parental basics and are fully aware if you hurt your child you will go to jail, you may be free of the child, but you no longer will be.

Toddler is 18 months -- dead baby was 6 months old.

Do these husbands leap into the hospital bed and screw wifey/gf the instant the first baby has left the clown car?

There are no words. God just needed another angel, I guess.

I never get that. Is it truly what people believe? That this baby is flying around heaven with wings and her mother's footprint on it's chest? I know that comes off kind of sarcastic, and it is a little...but I am honestly asking. I can understand that for some, it may help to think that this kid is not suffering and playing with the Jesus Christ's locks of hair as he holds her close...but come on, really?

Does no one think that the whole "Well, she is in a better place" or the "God will punish him\her" type of thinking is EXACTLY why we have so much apathy? I mean, if the kid is ok now, drinking warm milk on a cloud over Arizona, and the killer will get his punishment come Judgement Day...no wonder people do not get absolutely OUTRAGED that this woman curb stomped an infant.

Eh, whatever. Just ranting. But I am curious.

I agree with you Imp. There should be mandatory parental classes when you're in high school, if these people make it that far. There's nothing we can do to prevent these tragedies though. Kids and young adults are never going to listen to the older adults who know what's going on. When boys and girls hit puberty, the shit starts hitting the fan. Who will be the first one pregnant, not be able to handle it, then you know what happens next and becomes the next front page news for all of us to read about and get pissed off. It is what it is. It will happen until the end of time. The world is way too big to babysit everyone. I'm not saying all 16 year olds who get pregnant are going to harm their babies, but a few will. It's a no-win situation that we have to endure. Now, the child sexual predators, murderers, kidnappers and rapists can all be sent to a remote island in the Pacific or Indian Oceans and left to fend for themselves.

Imp, I need to add that our high school does do the contraceptive implant or reversible surgery option -- yet. I think it's a splendid idea. It's not as if the earth were in need of more people anyway.

There really should be some kind of Parental Aptitude Test given to high school students. It should involve the student not sleeping for two days and a doll that won’t stop crying. If the student pitches the doll, shakes the dill, hits the doll, puts suffocating pressure on the doll, or steps on the doll, the student gets a free ride to a clinic for contraceptive implants or a little reversible surgery.

My local high school has such a program. I don't know if monitors abusive violence, but they can tell if the baby was fed and such stuff. I think it sobers a lot of kid's ideas about the fun of having a baby and getting government check$ for having proven fertile. I see these girls and boys with their "babies" in Wal-Mart, etc., and they do not look overjoyed with parenthood.

It's a good program that probably saves many a babe from a horrific end. People always tell me, "Oh, it's different when it's your own." They look sick and dismayed when I answer, "Not always. Lots of babies seem to get tossed out the window or beaten to death."

No kidding, Imp...2 kids and 18 years old? No doubt she was overwhelmed, but that's no excuse. As we have all talked about numerous times, there are so many options out there without hurting the kids.

There are no words. God just needed another angel, I guess.

There really should be some kind of Parental Aptitude Test given to high school students. It should involve the student not sleeping for two days and a doll that won't stop crying. If the student pitches the doll, shakes the dill, hits the doll, puts suffocating pressure on the doll, or steps on the doll, the student gets a free ride to a clinic for contraceptive implants or a little reversible surgery.