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London Sherwood Got Shafted

December 18, 2007 at 10:00 am by  

Ok, for any of you who have a Myspace page, or an email address, you may have seen the tragic story of London Sherwood. She was a 3-month old baby who died from Shaken Baby Syndrome at the hands of her 21-year-old father. The email, or Myspace bulletin, looked like this:

“Never Shake A Baby!

December 4th, 2007, Jessica Sherwood had to do something no mother should ever have to do.

At 2:29 pm Jessica made a very tough, but the right decision to take her little 3 month old daughter off life support.

In memory of little London Marie, i thought id start a little forward..
Jessica had a message that i want every one to know..

This is what jessica said:
IF NE ONE HAS KIDS MAKE SURE U KEEP THEM WIT U THE WHOLE TIME DNT GIVE THEM TO NE ONE THAT U DNT TRUST….. TRUST ME I THOUGHT I TRUSTED JOSH….. BUT NOW AS OF 12-4-07 AT 2:29AM SHE IS GONE…. MY ONE AND ONLY BABY……. AND HE IS GUNNA PAY FOR EVER EVEN IF HE GETS OUTTA JAIL SCOTT FREE HE WILL BE DEAD NO MATTER WAT……… TO ALL MY FRIENDS AND THAT KNO
LONDON I AM VERY ANGRY AND UPSET I LOST THE LOVE OF MY LIFE MY BABY GIRL…. SHE DIED ON HER 3MONTH BDAY……..

SHE HAD 6 FRACTURED RIBS….. BOTH OF HER LEGS WERE FRACTURED…. AND HER BRAIN WAS SO DAMANAGED THAT IF SHE WERE TO LIVE SHE WOULD BE A VEGETABLE…. SO I DID WAT WAS RIGHT AND BEST FOR HER AND TOOK HER OFF LIFE SUPPORT…

THATS WAT U CALL SHAKEN BABY SYNDROM REMEMBER THAT…

For those of you who dont know what Shaken Baby Syndrome is..read this

Shaking, jerking and jolting can cause blood vessels in the head to tear or burst.

Shaken Baby Syndrome is the shaking of an infant or child by the arms, legs, or shoulders with or without impact of the head. This trauma can result in bleeding and brain injury with no outward signs of abuse.

Often frustrated caregivers feel that shaking a baby or small child is a harmless way to make the child stop crying. However, a baby’s brain and blood vessels are vulnerable to whiplash motions, such as shaking, jerking, jolting, and impact. The neck muscles of an infant or small child are weak, so the child’s head is relatively heavy and the neck cannot support the stress of shaking or impact.

Shaking a very young child, with or without impact of the head, can cause irreversible brain damage, blindness, cerebral palsy, hearing loss, spinal cord injury, seizures, learning disabilities, and even death. It is tragic that healthy, intelligent babies are suffering these disabilities simply because their caregivers don’t know about the dangers associated with Shaken Baby Syndrome.

An estimated 1,200 to 1,400 cases of Shaken Baby Syndrome (SBS) occur each year in the United States. Only 1 out of 4 babies dies of Shaken Baby Syndrome. HOWEVER, the other three babies will need ongoing medical attention for the rest of their short lifespans

Rest in Peace London Marie Sherwood
September 4th, 2007-December 4th, 2007

Now, the reason why this particular story stuck out a bit is that it came with photos attached of the the dead infant in the hospital. Some are of the baby on life support, and others are of the mother holding the baby after it was taken off. I have attached them, so if you are easily disturbed, I suggest not going further, but there is more to this story than what you may have read.

London on life support

London and Jessica reunited after Jessica’s alleged 3-week hiatus

London off life support

Now, I did a little searching, as I was not aware of this case because let’s face it, we post kids being killed by their parents almost everyday. But it is not very often that a story comes equipped with a dead baby picture. I checked Snopes first and verified that the story was legit. 21-year-old Justin Alan Schaak of Star Prairie, Wis., was charged with reckless homicide after admitting he became frustrated and shook the baby.

HOWEVER, there was a lot more to the story than what was given in the email and the mother is suffering from a good bit of backlash. The eason being that the crying mother holding London, Jessica Sherwood, had allegedly abandoned the baby at the young man’s house after a paternity test confirmed he was the father. She left London at the young man’s parents house for 3-weeks. Schaak was living with his father and his father’s girlfriend along with her two kids. They informed Schaak that the baby was his responsibility and they would not help him at all. The little girl had not been taken out of her bedroom, where she slept on the same mattress with Schaak, at all during the last week of her life. “Joshua would feed, change, interact with the baby, and then would put it back to sleep, and then leave the bedroom,” Sheriff Dennis Hillstead said.

Schaak’s father and the father’s girlfriend told investigators the young man had not gone anywhere or been with any friends since London was dropped off at the house. They also told investigators that since Schaak was unemployed, he spent all day with the child. The girlfriend’s two sons, 11 and 15, had never held the child the entire time she was in the home. The only time someone other than her father held the child during the last weeks of her life was when Herb Schaak’s girlfriend grabbed the blue-lipped baby away from Joshua Schaak on Sunday and called 911. Herb Schaak said his son didn’t neglect the girl. “He loved that child. I know that for a fact,” he said. “His main focus was taking care of that child.”

I have posted this, not to jump on any type of bandwagon to heap more shit on top of the situation or people involved, but rather to give a little more background information about a story you may have read about from an email or bulletin. Also, I wanted to get this story up so that it can be tracked in regards to Schaak’s sentence as well as if any charges will be filed against the mother for abandonment. What do you think? Obviously, everyone failed this baby. She really didn’t have a chance with her parents being unable to take care of themselves, much less an infant, and neither of them having any type of family support system, especially with Schaak who had adults in the house with him. While Schaak should be charged and sentenced with killing the girl, does anyone else feel others should be taking some responsibility? It’s just a strange story in which the only person who was actively taking care of the baby is the one charged with killing her.

Anyone know this girl? Are the charges that she abandoned the baby true?

Other Links:


Josh’s Myspace page:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=99747223

You can find Jessica’s easy enough as well, but it is set to private.

http://www.startribune.com/local/12340686.html

http://www.twincities.com/ci_7666869?nclick_check=1
http://wcco.com/video/?id=34258@wcco.dayport.com
http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_7662036?nclick_check=1

http://www.startribune.com/local/12340686.html

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  • Kathy

    OMG. What a beautiful child, even in death. :(

    I’d like to know more about this too. If the mother truly abandoned he baby and did not even visit for 3 weeks, it seems like she may be out there whoring her baby’s memory for attention. It makes me want to vomit.

    Attention boys and girls: Keep your legs closed. Use birth control or seriously look into giving the child up for adoption. This child did not ask to be born to selfish fucktards.

  • Kathy

    OMG. What a beautiful child, even in death. :(

    I’d like to know more about this too. If the mother truly abandoned he baby and did not even visit for 3 weeks, it seems like she may be out there whoring her baby’s memory for attention. It makes me want to vomit.

    Attention boys and girls: Keep your legs closed. Use birth control or seriously look into giving the child up for adoption. This child did not ask to be born to selfish fucktards.

  • solange822001

    If it is true, that bitch needs to go to jail too. Why why why do people do this. How can a mother just leave her newborn at a guy’s house for 3 weeks??? My son was born a preemie, and he had to stay in the hospital for almost two weeks. The first night that I went home to get some sleep, I couldnt stop crying. It felt like part of me had been ripped apart. To have a baby inside of you for 8 months and all of a sudden they are not with you, it is the most inexplicable feeling in the world. To this day I cant describe, and I really feel that it’s biological and not only emotiional. This little girl didnt stand a chance

  • solange822001

    If it is true, that bitch needs to go to jail too. Why why why do people do this. How can a mother just leave her newborn at a guy’s house for 3 weeks??? My son was born a preemie, and he had to stay in the hospital for almost two weeks. The first night that I went home to get some sleep, I couldnt stop crying. It felt like part of me had been ripped apart. To have a baby inside of you for 8 months and all of a sudden they are not with you, it is the most inexplicable feeling in the world. To this day I cant describe, and I really feel that it’s biological and not only emotiional. This little girl didnt stand a chance

  • Hippiepoet

    Hmmm Morbid. Nobody else but this boy shook the baby.
    It is another case of idiot kids fucking around and the result is a baby neither one can handle. I honestly do not understand the stupidity of people. I’m just assuming she dropped the baby off with him, because she couldn’t handle the baby. She probably thought she needed a break and he was the father and he could deal with the baby now. I’m sure she wasn’t giving him the baby with the thought, he’s gonna shake her to death. It’s not his parent’s responsibility either. Again, my thought. He shook the baby, he is responsible. It is so sad that in a few moments, one reacts in frustration and a life is loss.
    I gotta read all the links. Had she no intention of never picking the baby up again?

  • Hippiepoet

    Hmmm Morbid. Nobody else but this boy shook the baby.
    It is another case of idiot kids fucking around and the result is a baby neither one can handle. I honestly do not understand the stupidity of people. I’m just assuming she dropped the baby off with him, because she couldn’t handle the baby. She probably thought she needed a break and he was the father and he could deal with the baby now. I’m sure she wasn’t giving him the baby with the thought, he’s gonna shake her to death. It’s not his parent’s responsibility either. Again, my thought. He shook the baby, he is responsible. It is so sad that in a few moments, one reacts in frustration and a life is loss.
    I gotta read all the links. Had she no intention of never picking the baby up again?

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I have found a few blogs during my searching, blogs that rushed to console the mother after the initial emailbulletin went out. Some of these blogs are reporting on the backlash the mother is receiving, but amazingly, still seem sympathetic and seem to be sugar-coating the facts, even if they are posting them.

    We get relatives of people we post about all the time, and I am hoping friends or family of either of these two will run across this and give some information. Not about Josh. He admitted what he has done and he is currently in the legal system. But for Jessica. There are rumors of her wanting to party, that she drank alcohol and smoked during the pregnancy, and if you read the snopes article, investigators are even hinting at the possibility of some of the injuries on London being older injuries. If she did in fact abandon that baby, she deserves all the backlash she is getting.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I have found a few blogs during my searching, blogs that rushed to console the mother after the initial email\bulletin went out. Some of these blogs are reporting on the backlash the mother is receiving, but amazingly, still seem sympathetic and seem to be sugar-coating the facts, even if they are posting them.

    We get relatives of people we post about all the time, and I am hoping friends or family of either of these two will run across this and give some information. Not about Josh. He admitted what he has done and he is currently in the legal system. But for Jessica. There are rumors of her wanting to party, that she drank alcohol and smoked during the pregnancy, and if you read the snopes article, investigators are even hinting at the possibility of some of the injuries on London being older injuries. If she did in fact abandon that baby, she deserves all the backlash she is getting.

  • Kathy

    Hippie, I agree that Josh is the one responsible for her death. Her injuries were HORRENDOUS.

    But this part pisses me off. “I LOST THE LOVE OF MY LIFE MY BABY GIRL.”

    The love of her life? She would leave the love of her life for 3 weeks? I’ve left my child for 3 days at the absolute longest. I talked to her on the phone every single day more than once a day. I checked on her every single day when I had to leave her when she was a baby and was too young to talk on the phone. I also cried every night the first time I had to be away from her.

    I don’t get it. 3 weeks is a long time, especially for a baby that young.

  • Kathy

    Hippie, I agree that Josh is the one responsible for her death. Her injuries were HORRENDOUS.

    But this part pisses me off. “I LOST THE LOVE OF MY LIFE MY BABY GIRL.”

    The love of her life? She would leave the love of her life for 3 weeks? I’ve left my child for 3 days at the absolute longest. I talked to her on the phone every single day more than once a day. I checked on her every single day when I had to leave her when she was a baby and was too young to talk on the phone. I also cried every night the first time I had to be away from her.

    I don’t get it. 3 weeks is a long time, especially for a baby that young.

  • solange822001

    Yup, I completely agree. Screw her, that is just insane. No one who cares about their newborn would just drop her off for 3 weeks and disappear. I totally feel she is milking the attention. The little MySpace page, mood “depressed”, how fitting. Give me a break

  • Hippiepoet

    Shit, I read all the links. This is so sad. Damn.

  • solange822001

    Yup, I completely agree. Screw her, that is just insane. No one who cares about their newborn would just drop her off for 3 weeks and disappear. I totally feel she is milking the attention. The little MySpace page, mood “depressed”, how fitting. Give me a break

  • Hippiepoet

    Shit, I read all the links. This is so sad. Damn.

  • solange822001

    “Court documents accuse him of striking London’s head against a bathtub and a bedroom wall.”

    That is a hell of alot more than just shaking a baby. Jesus christ

  • solange822001

    “Court documents accuse him of striking London’s head against a bathtub and a bedroom wall.”

    That is a hell of alot more than just shaking a baby. Jesus christ

  • Hippiepoet

    Yes, Kathy I see your point. “love of my life”. I would not have left my baby for shit, I felt this huge attachment. The “natural” bonding that occurs between infant and mother. This girl sounded like she copped out. She gave up.

    Okay Morbid. I am curious as to the allegations that some injuries occurred whilst in her care. If that indeed is the case, then yes, she should definitely take responsibility for her actions.

    She needs fixed, now.

  • Hippiepoet

    Yes, Kathy I see your point. “love of my life”. I would not have left my baby for shit, I felt this huge attachment. The “natural” bonding that occurs between infant and mother. This girl sounded like she copped out. She gave up.

    Okay Morbid. I am curious as to the allegations that some injuries occurred whilst in her care. If that indeed is the case, then yes, she should definitely take responsibility for her actions.

    She needs fixed, now.

  • Hippiepoet

    Yes solange, that sounds much more violent, than just picking the baby up in a moment of frustration and shaking it. Horrid shit.
    Just horrid.

  • Hippiepoet

    Yes solange, that sounds much more violent, than just picking the baby up in a moment of frustration and shaking it. Horrid shit.
    Just horrid.

  • Hippiepoet

    Damn that baby is so beautiful, I am flooding my damn laptop.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Somebody grabbed this from her Myspace page before it went private:

    My Bio …
    cool person to hang out wit ,, easy goin… laid back …. love the clubs….. and party hanging out wit my friends

    Five things I can’tlive without:
    guys, money, clubs, friends, my daughter

    Gotta love the priorities, huh?

  • Hippiepoet

    Damn that baby is so beautiful, I am flooding my damn laptop.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Somebody grabbed this from her Myspace page before it went private:

    My Bio …
    cool person to hang out wit ,, easy goin… laid back …. love the clubs….. and party hanging out wit my friends

    Five things I can’tlive without:
    guys, money, clubs, friends, my daughter

    Gotta love the priorities, huh?

  • Hippiepoet

    She lists her baby last.

  • Hippiepoet

    She lists her baby last.

  • Hippiepoet

    Had to go and look at my own page….my priorities seem in line. *wipes hand across forehead*

  • Hippiepoet

    Had to go and look at my own page….my priorities seem in line. *wipes hand across forehead*

  • Kathy

    LOL @ Hippie!

    I did the same thing!:D

  • Kathy

    LOL @ Hippie!

    I did the same thing!:D

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Hell, if anyone looks at mine, they will think that I was a devil-worshipping serial killer. Who loved his kid. :)

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Hell, if anyone looks at mine, they will think that I was a devil-worshipping serial killer. Who loved his kid. :)

  • impqueen

    baby last, penis first. Yup, that’s about par.

    except for y’all, and Morbid, who doesn’t seem to have “guys” or “penis” on his priority list atall.

  • Hippiepoet

    lmao

  • impqueen

    baby last, penis first. Yup, that’s about par.

    except for y’all, and Morbid, who doesn’t seem to have “guys” or “penis” on his priority list atall.

  • Hippiepoet

    lmao

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    What a dumb bitch.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    What a dumb bitch.

  • impqueen

    seriously, ells. So much word.

    i mean, for gosh sakes, the girl can’t even write a paragraph memorializing her child without total moronspeak. Check it: “DNT GIVE THEM TO NE ONE THAT U DNT TRUST….. TRUST ME I THOUGHT I TRUSTED JOSH…..”

    “Um, yes, Pat Sajak, I’d like to buy a vowel. And thirty IQ points to get me up to normal, please?”

    Bitch bandies the word “trust” about like a banker in a bear market. Her baby couldn’t really trust anyone, could she? Gah.

    Avada kedavra, mouthbreather.

  • impqueen

    seriously, ells. So much word.

    i mean, for gosh sakes, the girl can’t even write a paragraph memorializing her child without total moronspeak. Check it: “DNT GIVE THEM TO NE ONE THAT U DNT TRUST….. TRUST ME I THOUGHT I TRUSTED JOSH…..”

    “Um, yes, Pat Sajak, I’d like to buy a vowel. And thirty IQ points to get me up to normal, please?”

    Bitch bandies the word “trust” about like a banker in a bear market. Her baby couldn’t really trust anyone, could she? Gah.

    Avada kedavra, mouthbreather.

  • Athena

    Unfortunately, this is the way of the world. Morons breed…and then their offspring die due to the lack of capacity these morons have to care for those children.

    Why am I pro-choice? Certainly not because I have to worry about abortion. I’m pro-choice because it’s the closest fucking thing to eugenics we have. This woman should have spared that child the pain and visited Planned Parenthood at some point during her first trimester.

    How dare EVERYONE involved in this story. This mother who so easily abandoned her child, this father who could not control himself, his worthless excuses for parents who refused to offer help…

    This is a prime example of trash breeding trash breeding trash. With any luck, this situation will be traumatic enough that neither young parent will attempt to procreate again, breaking an obviously poisonous cycle.

  • Athena

    Unfortunately, this is the way of the world. Morons breed…and then their offspring die due to the lack of capacity these morons have to care for those children.

    Why am I pro-choice? Certainly not because I have to worry about abortion. I’m pro-choice because it’s the closest fucking thing to eugenics we have. This woman should have spared that child the pain and visited Planned Parenthood at some point during her first trimester.

    How dare EVERYONE involved in this story. This mother who so easily abandoned her child, this father who could not control himself, his worthless excuses for parents who refused to offer help…

    This is a prime example of trash breeding trash breeding trash. With any luck, this situation will be traumatic enough that neither young parent will attempt to procreate again, breaking an obviously poisonous cycle.

  • solange822001

    Athena, I’m glad to see someone who is as pissed off as i am about this. And I cannot believe the MySpace page. What a sick bitch. I’m waiting for some “friend” of hers to come on here defending her so I can tell them to fuck off and die.

  • solange822001

    Athena, I’m glad to see someone who is as pissed off as i am about this. And I cannot believe the MySpace page. What a sick bitch. I’m waiting for some “friend” of hers to come on here defending her so I can tell them to fuck off and die.

  • pms.247

    Again, imp comes through with the quote of the day: “Um, yes, Pat Sajak, I’d like to buy a vowel. And thirty IQ points to get me up to normal, please?”
    That is so damn funny! Thanks imp, for putting humor where it’s hard to find!

  • pms.247

    Again, imp comes through with the quote of the day: “Um, yes, Pat Sajak, I’d like to buy a vowel. And thirty IQ points to get me up to normal, please?”
    That is so damn funny! Thanks imp, for putting humor where it’s hard to find!

  • Athena

    Solange…We could only be so lucky.

    It’s stories like these, where multiple people are involved and ALL do the wrong thing, that exposes the vast scope of selfishness and worthlessness in certain factions of society.

    You know, when I was younger, I was totally against the idea of having children. I just didn’t think it was for me. My father repeatedly suggested that it was my duty to mankind to have a couple “replacement units” in an attempt to balance out the mouth-breathers. I rejected the concept for a few years, but his persistance combined with my experience with my sister (and, undoubtedly, a biological clock that ticks louder with every day that passes), I’m starting to open up to the idea.

  • Athena

    Solange…We could only be so lucky.

    It’s stories like these, where multiple people are involved and ALL do the wrong thing, that exposes the vast scope of selfishness and worthlessness in certain factions of society.

    You know, when I was younger, I was totally against the idea of having children. I just didn’t think it was for me. My father repeatedly suggested that it was my duty to mankind to have a couple “replacement units” in an attempt to balance out the mouth-breathers. I rejected the concept for a few years, but his persistance combined with my experience with my sister (and, undoubtedly, a biological clock that ticks louder with every day that passes), I’m starting to open up to the idea.

  • thepooh5

    Another tragic waste of a precious child. imp – do you think 30 IQ points would get her to normal? – maybe 50? LOL that was a good one.

  • thepooh5

    Another tragic waste of a precious child. imp – do you think 30 IQ points would get her to normal? – maybe 50? LOL that was a good one.

  • chococat1983

    Is it just me or is it really strange that this baby was just kept in Joshs bedroom and that no one else even HELD the baby for such a long period of time? I understand his Dad telling him that the baby is his responsibility and everything, but just to completely ignore an infant….I know if this situation happened to me my parents would be mad at first but they would come around and help me out and at least acknowledge the baby living under their roof.
    Did they never hear London screaming and crying as she was being tortured?
    If I was living with someone who kept a baby in one room all day long and never brought it out to play, I would start to wonder what they were doing in there….

  • chococat1983

    Is it just me or is it really strange that this baby was just kept in Joshs bedroom and that no one else even HELD the baby for such a long period of time? I understand his Dad telling him that the baby is his responsibility and everything, but just to completely ignore an infant….I know if this situation happened to me my parents would be mad at first but they would come around and help me out and at least acknowledge the baby living under their roof.
    Did they never hear London screaming and crying as she was being tortured?
    If I was living with someone who kept a baby in one room all day long and never brought it out to play, I would start to wonder what they were doing in there….

  • mg

    it seems to me that they entire family is messed up. First the mom….i do not understand leaving your baby for 3 weeks and never seeing her at all. I understand wanting the father to show some responsibility but this was the wrong way to go about it. Had he ever held an infant before? Then what about her(the mom’s) parents? Where were they? Didnt they wonder where the baby was for so long?
    I also understand Josh’s parents wanting to instill some responsibility into him by having him be the primary caregiver. But seriously not to step in and hold the baby at all? What kind of family does not want to hold, cuddle and coo at a beautiful 3 month old baby girl? I don’t understand. there are so many wonderful people out there that would love to have a beautiful baby and just cant. If these kids could not have enough responsibilty to take care of this baby they should have adopted her out.
    One thing that makes me mad about this is i got this on myspace and forwarded it out. I didnt research it that night like i should have. I felt so sorry for the mother because she is so obviously upset in the photo. My heart went out to her. And now i feel that some of that sorrow is more for sympathy.

  • mg

    it seems to me that they entire family is messed up. First the mom….i do not understand leaving your baby for 3 weeks and never seeing her at all. I understand wanting the father to show some responsibility but this was the wrong way to go about it. Had he ever held an infant before? Then what about her(the mom’s) parents? Where were they? Didnt they wonder where the baby was for so long?
    I also understand Josh’s parents wanting to instill some responsibility into him by having him be the primary caregiver. But seriously not to step in and hold the baby at all? What kind of family does not want to hold, cuddle and coo at a beautiful 3 month old baby girl? I don’t understand. there are so many wonderful people out there that would love to have a beautiful baby and just cant. If these kids could not have enough responsibilty to take care of this baby they should have adopted her out.
    One thing that makes me mad about this is i got this on myspace and forwarded it out. I didnt research it that night like i should have. I felt so sorry for the mother because she is so obviously upset in the photo. My heart went out to her. And now i feel that some of that sorrow is more for sympathy.

  • ccomfort

    I have not spent the night away from my 23month old since he was born. Maybe I am at the other end of the spectrum from Jessica, but my son honestly is my world. I barely trust anyone but myself with him, even his dad.

  • ccomfort

    I have not spent the night away from my 23month old since he was born. Maybe I am at the other end of the spectrum from Jessica, but my son honestly is my world. I barely trust anyone but myself with him, even his dad.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I don’t think the injuries Josh inflicted on this baby were any type of ongoing, malicious type of abuse. This was a 21-year-old, unemployed kid who had a baby dumped on him. He didn’t refuse the baby, in fact he has pictures of her on his Myspace page as well.

    He absolutely was NOT equipped to handle raising a baby by himself. It even states after the baby hit her head, he tried to console her. I am not excusing what he did, but just explaining how this could have not been seen by others in the house. The violence was heat of the moment frustration that I am sure he regretted after doing it, not any type of malicious, unprovoked attacks to kill the baby or torture it out of some type of pleasure. These injuries came from ignorance and frustration.

    My issue is that there is help out there for idiots who have kids. I am not sure what they are, but isn’t there programs out there for idiots like these two? Free help and classes for idiot parents or something?

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I don’t think the injuries Josh inflicted on this baby were any type of ongoing, malicious type of abuse. This was a 21-year-old, unemployed kid who had a baby dumped on him. He didn’t refuse the baby, in fact he has pictures of her on his Myspace page as well.

    He absolutely was NOT equipped to handle raising a baby by himself. It even states after the baby hit her head, he tried to console her. I am not excusing what he did, but just explaining how this could have not been seen by others in the house. The violence was heat of the moment frustration that I am sure he regretted after doing it, not any type of malicious, unprovoked attacks to kill the baby or torture it out of some type of pleasure. These injuries came from ignorance and frustration.

    My issue is that there is help out there for idiots who have kids. I am not sure what they are, but isn’t there programs out there for idiots like these two? Free help and classes for idiot parents or something?

  • solange822001

    Chococat, I thought that to be very strange as well. It totally goes beyond wanting their son to be responsible, it sounds extremely cruel and coldhearted to not even involve themselves in that baby’s care, especially knowing their son had no experience whatsoever.

    I am torin between agreeing with Morbid that this was definitely not intentional malicious abuse, but I also cannot imagine hurting a baby to the extent of killing it. I mean, i dont think there is anyone left on this planet with a t.v. that doesnt know that shaking a baby can kill it.

  • solange822001

    Chococat, I thought that to be very strange as well. It totally goes beyond wanting their son to be responsible, it sounds extremely cruel and coldhearted to not even involve themselves in that baby’s care, especially knowing their son had no experience whatsoever.

    I am torin between agreeing with Morbid that this was definitely not intentional malicious abuse, but I also cannot imagine hurting a baby to the extent of killing it. I mean, i dont think there is anyone left on this planet with a t.v. that doesnt know that shaking a baby can kill it.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    i dont think there is anyone left on this planet with a t.v. that doesnt know that shaking a baby can kill it.

    Yet it happens everyday.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    i dont think there is anyone left on this planet with a t.v. that doesnt know that shaking a baby can kill it.

    Yet it happens everyday.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    i dont think there is anyone left on this planet with a t.v. that doesnt know that shaking a baby can kill it.

    Yet it happens everyday.

  • solange822001

    I will say this though, if there is free help out there I dont know where. I was 20 years old, dealing with an absent good for nothing boyfriend, strict parents who made it their goal to help me as little as possible, and with a preemie who wouldnt eat and wouldnt stop fussing and crying. I remember being so frustrated one night that he wouldnt eat (after being readmitted two times in the hospital for dehydration) that I shook him gently in my arms while cradling him. I know it wasn’t hard enough to hurt him, but the fact that I even did it still haunts me to this day. I wish there had been someone there to help me, but who?

  • solange822001

    I will say this though, if there is free help out there I dont know where. I was 20 years old, dealing with an absent good for nothing boyfriend, strict parents who made it their goal to help me as little as possible, and with a preemie who wouldnt eat and wouldnt stop fussing and crying. I remember being so frustrated one night that he wouldnt eat (after being readmitted two times in the hospital for dehydration) that I shook him gently in my arms while cradling him. I know it wasn’t hard enough to hurt him, but the fact that I even did it still haunts me to this day. I wish there had been someone there to help me, but who?

  • solange822001

    I will say this though, if there is free help out there I dont know where. I was 20 years old, dealing with an absent good for nothing boyfriend, strict parents who made it their goal to help me as little as possible, and with a preemie who wouldnt eat and wouldnt stop fussing and crying. I remember being so frustrated one night that he wouldnt eat (after being readmitted two times in the hospital for dehydration) that I shook him gently in my arms while cradling him. I know it wasn’t hard enough to hurt him, but the fact that I even did it still haunts me to this day. I wish there had been someone there to help me, but who?

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I think every new parent has had that moment. The moment you see the line that other people cross over.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I think every new parent has had that moment. The moment you see the line that other people cross over.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I think every new parent has had that moment. The moment you see the line that other people cross over.

  • solange822001

    I know this is unrelated, but I wanted to share this with you guys:

    http://www.local10.com/news/14874884/detail.html

    Here in Miami, a FIVE YEAR OLD boy was walking home from school and dashed out onto a busy freeway, where he got hit by a car. He is in critical condition. I am wondering who the hell lets a kindergartner walk home from school? The school claims that as long as the parents sign a consent form, children of any age can walk home alone. At my son’s school, even now that he is almost 8, they will not let him leave if no one is there to pick him up. They send him to aftercare or the office. I know this even for a fact because my mom forgot to pick him up several times on days when he gets out early, and they have always called me or her from the office to let us know. My son goes to one of the best schools in Miami, in a richer part of town, but it’s still a public school. How could this public school be any different? It makes me sick. Not trying to blame the school over the parent, I just dont understand

  • solange822001

    I know this is unrelated, but I wanted to share this with you guys:

    http://www.local10.com/news/14874884/detail.html

    Here in Miami, a FIVE YEAR OLD boy was walking home from school and dashed out onto a busy freeway, where he got hit by a car. He is in critical condition. I am wondering who the hell lets a kindergartner walk home from school? The school claims that as long as the parents sign a consent form, children of any age can walk home alone. At my son’s school, even now that he is almost 8, they will not let him leave if no one is there to pick him up. They send him to aftercare or the office. I know this even for a fact because my mom forgot to pick him up several times on days when he gets out early, and they have always called me or her from the office to let us know. My son goes to one of the best schools in Miami, in a richer part of town, but it’s still a public school. How could this public school be any different? It makes me sick. Not trying to blame the school over the parent, I just dont understand

  • solange822001

    I know this is unrelated, but I wanted to share this with you guys:

    http://www.local10.com/news/14874884/detail.html

    Here in Miami, a FIVE YEAR OLD boy was walking home from school and dashed out onto a busy freeway, where he got hit by a car. He is in critical condition. I am wondering who the hell lets a kindergartner walk home from school? The school claims that as long as the parents sign a consent form, children of any age can walk home alone. At my son’s school, even now that he is almost 8, they will not let him leave if no one is there to pick him up. They send him to aftercare or the office. I know this even for a fact because my mom forgot to pick him up several times on days when he gets out early, and they have always called me or her from the office to let us know. My son goes to one of the best schools in Miami, in a richer part of town, but it’s still a public school. How could this public school be any different? It makes me sick. Not trying to blame the school over the parent, I just dont understand

  • solange822001

    I agree Morbid, I can see how someone with a just a little less self control or education can cross that line. It really is a shame, maybe if there were more help out there, it can help people like this young man not cross it.

  • solange822001

    I agree Morbid, I can see how someone with a just a little less self control or education can cross that line. It really is a shame, maybe if there were more help out there, it can help people like this young man not cross it.

  • solange822001

    I agree Morbid, I can see how someone with a just a little less self control or education can cross that line. It really is a shame, maybe if there were more help out there, it can help people like this young man not cross it.

  • solange822001

    Athena, i’m happy to hear that you may have changed your mind about having a child. Your child will be very lucky to have you, and you will see that it will be the most life-changing moment you can have. It’s good that you have waited and thought it through, doing that makes all the difference in the world. I know having my son so young was not fair to him, I just was not ready.

  • solange822001

    Athena, i’m happy to hear that you may have changed your mind about having a child. Your child will be very lucky to have you, and you will see that it will be the most life-changing moment you can have. It’s good that you have waited and thought it through, doing that makes all the difference in the world. I know having my son so young was not fair to him, I just was not ready.

  • solange822001

    Athena, i’m happy to hear that you may have changed your mind about having a child. Your child will be very lucky to have you, and you will see that it will be the most life-changing moment you can have. It’s good that you have waited and thought it through, doing that makes all the difference in the world. I know having my son so young was not fair to him, I just was not ready.

  • Hippiepoet

    Quote Morbid “I think every new parent has had that moment. The moment you see the line that other people cross over.”
    Right on.
    I know that the Public Health Unit offers free information/classes to people. When you have a baby, the hospital offers tons of information. Videos on how to do most everything. Also the hospital I delivered at, had a nurses line to call day or night with questions. Anytime people are stressed there is always your local mental health center with a toll free number, just like hospitals. There is help out there, but I suppose you have to be smart enough and responsible enough to take the initiative to get help.

  • Hippiepoet

    Quote Morbid “I think every new parent has had that moment. The moment you see the line that other people cross over.”
    Right on.
    I know that the Public Health Unit offers free information/classes to people. When you have a baby, the hospital offers tons of information. Videos on how to do most everything. Also the hospital I delivered at, had a nurses line to call day or night with questions. Anytime people are stressed there is always your local mental health center with a toll free number, just like hospitals. There is help out there, but I suppose you have to be smart enough and responsible enough to take the initiative to get help.

  • Hippiepoet

    Quote Morbid “I think every new parent has had that moment. The moment you see the line that other people cross over.”
    Right on.
    I know that the Public Health Unit offers free information/classes to people. When you have a baby, the hospital offers tons of information. Videos on how to do most everything. Also the hospital I delivered at, had a nurses line to call day or night with questions. Anytime people are stressed there is always your local mental health center with a toll free number, just like hospitals. There is help out there, but I suppose you have to be smart enough and responsible enough to take the initiative to get help.

  • thepooh5

    Every parent has seen the “line”, at some point in time, Morbid. And any parent who says they “have not” is lying. Seeing the line and walking away is not wrong. Kids are blessing and a miricle. Kids can also be stressful and overwhelming.

    I have to give kudos to the dad for not rejecting the baby that was just dumped on him. He did try, that tells me he was basically a good guy. Yes, he messed up and his baby is dead. I am with Morbid, I think he was just so overwhelmed his stupidity won out. I can’t find any bad intent. I am not excusing him. I do take issue with a mom who could say here’s my baby now its your baby cya. Bullshit!

    And to his dad and girlfriend and her kids – maybe he was trying to protect his baby, if he did keep her in his bedroom – didn’t trust the teens around her. Maybe the parents were so mean about it – he was protecting the baby from them – and that seems a real possibility too me – no one else had even held her. If that is true, hell, I wouldn’t have let her out of my bedroom either. And rwo people in one bedroom 24/7 – WOULD BE SUPER STRESSFUL and I could see how someone could snap.

    All of the grandparents involved should have their asses kicked and handed back to them. What a bunch of asses together. Sounds like the boy was doing as best he could with what he had. I know it wasn’t enough but I believe he did this unintentionally and by mistake. I don’t believe he ever wanted to hurt the child. Sounds like the mom just wanted to say here its your turn and ran off – where was her concern for 3 weeks? Why would you let a dad that you are mad at and had to prove to him it was his baby keep your child? She had no idea how he would treat the baby, especially given how he got custody. Stupid bitch a billion times over.

  • thepooh5

    Every parent has seen the “line”, at some point in time, Morbid. And any parent who says they “have not” is lying. Seeing the line and walking away is not wrong. Kids are blessing and a miricle. Kids can also be stressful and overwhelming.

    I have to give kudos to the dad for not rejecting the baby that was just dumped on him. He did try, that tells me he was basically a good guy. Yes, he messed up and his baby is dead. I am with Morbid, I think he was just so overwhelmed his stupidity won out. I can’t find any bad intent. I am not excusing him. I do take issue with a mom who could say here’s my baby now its your baby cya. Bullshit!

    And to his dad and girlfriend and her kids – maybe he was trying to protect his baby, if he did keep her in his bedroom – didn’t trust the teens around her. Maybe the parents were so mean about it – he was protecting the baby from them – and that seems a real possibility too me – no one else had even held her. If that is true, hell, I wouldn’t have let her out of my bedroom either. And rwo people in one bedroom 24/7 – WOULD BE SUPER STRESSFUL and I could see how someone could snap.

    All of the grandparents involved should have their asses kicked and handed back to them. What a bunch of asses together. Sounds like the boy was doing as best he could with what he had. I know it wasn’t enough but I believe he did this unintentionally and by mistake. I don’t believe he ever wanted to hurt the child. Sounds like the mom just wanted to say here its your turn and ran off – where was her concern for 3 weeks? Why would you let a dad that you are mad at and had to prove to him it was his baby keep your child? She had no idea how he would treat the baby, especially given how he got custody. Stupid bitch a billion times over.

  • thepooh5

    Every parent has seen the “line”, at some point in time, Morbid. And any parent who says they “have not” is lying. Seeing the line and walking away is not wrong. Kids are blessing and a miricle. Kids can also be stressful and overwhelming.

    I have to give kudos to the dad for not rejecting the baby that was just dumped on him. He did try, that tells me he was basically a good guy. Yes, he messed up and his baby is dead. I am with Morbid, I think he was just so overwhelmed his stupidity won out. I can’t find any bad intent. I am not excusing him. I do take issue with a mom who could say here’s my baby now its your baby cya. Bullshit!

    And to his dad and girlfriend and her kids – maybe he was trying to protect his baby, if he did keep her in his bedroom – didn’t trust the teens around her. Maybe the parents were so mean about it – he was protecting the baby from them – and that seems a real possibility too me – no one else had even held her. If that is true, hell, I wouldn’t have let her out of my bedroom either. And rwo people in one bedroom 24/7 – WOULD BE SUPER STRESSFUL and I could see how someone could snap.

    All of the grandparents involved should have their asses kicked and handed back to them. What a bunch of asses together. Sounds like the boy was doing as best he could with what he had. I know it wasn’t enough but I believe he did this unintentionally and by mistake. I don’t believe he ever wanted to hurt the child. Sounds like the mom just wanted to say here its your turn and ran off – where was her concern for 3 weeks? Why would you let a dad that you are mad at and had to prove to him it was his baby keep your child? She had no idea how he would treat the baby, especially given how he got custody. Stupid bitch a billion times over.

  • Rosie

    What happened to the program “Kids First” or something like that, it is a class that they give/offer to new mothers I believe in the hospital where they try best they can to tell them what to expect and where to get help – they used to have it in Georgia. But the Dad wouldn’t have taken it since he didn’t know he was having a baby until the DNA results I guess.

    This chick looks like a meth head to me, her skin is all pocked (sp?) and splotchey (sp?).

  • Rosie

    What happened to the program “Kids First” or something like that, it is a class that they give/offer to new mothers I believe in the hospital where they try best they can to tell them what to expect and where to get help – they used to have it in Georgia. But the Dad wouldn’t have taken it since he didn’t know he was having a baby until the DNA results I guess.

    This chick looks like a meth head to me, her skin is all pocked (sp?) and splotchey (sp?).

  • Rosie

    What happened to the program “Kids First” or something like that, it is a class that they give/offer to new mothers I believe in the hospital where they try best they can to tell them what to expect and where to get help – they used to have it in Georgia. But the Dad wouldn’t have taken it since he didn’t know he was having a baby until the DNA results I guess.

    This chick looks like a meth head to me, her skin is all pocked (sp?) and splotchey (sp?).

  • Rosie

    What happened to the program “Kids First” or something like that, it is a class that they give/offer to new mothers I believe in the hospital where they try best they can to tell them what to expect and where to get help – they used to have it in Georgia. But the Dad wouldn’t have taken it since he didn’t know he was having a baby until the DNA results I guess.

    This chick looks like a meth head to me, her skin is all pocked (sp?) and splotchey (sp?).

  • Athena

    Solange – thanks for the kind words. :) I’ve a ways to go yet, being single and all, but I decided that my dad has a point. Us decent folk in the world are the only chance society’s got. If we don’t breed, we KNOW who will… @_@

    As for the kids walking home thing…I ALWAYS walked home alone. In my old neighborhood, there are still kids streaming home from elementary school every afternoon. I think, in most neighborhoods, some basic safety training and a little independence go a long way. I was never approached, but if I was, I knew what to do. Don’t even stop to talk to strangers; if you get grabbed, kick, scream, bite, just don’t get into the car; if someone claimed mom sent them to get me, ask for the code word (which was “Snaussages”). No code word, no go. Always try to walk with friends. If no friends are available, stick to semi-busy roads. Not so busy you’d be lost in the frey, but not empty, either. Never cross anywhere but a crosswalk, and wait for traffic to come to a complete stop before entering the road.

    These are tools. With these tools, I was generally safe. When you can afford a child some freedom, you should, in my opinion. In experience-building situations, the more you do for your child, the less they can do for themselves. These tools allowed me to use my judgment (a skill worth developing BEFORE the teenage years hit) and they translated into teenage and adulthood. Kids on my street who were kept under lock and key hit 18 like a brick wall.

    I’m not trying to say that one should never ferry their child to and from locations. Sometimes, it’s absolutely warranted. However, we are currently transforming into a society with soft, whiny, overindulged and selfish kids-turned-adults. I don’t think it’s unfair to associate this trend with the increasing amount of parents who treat their children like faberge eggs. The media absolutely encourages this practice, whipping parents into a frightened frenzy until they feel they’ve no choice but to shelter their fragile underlings. All I’m saying is, that can be extremely damaging when it’s unnecessary.

    Bottom line, from my perspective: While it is only natural to want to protect your child, it is generally more beneficial to give them the tools to protect themselves (when applicable) AND allow them to exercise these skills. This is how children become worldly, capable adults.

    Of course, I don’t encourage anyone younger than 10 walking home alone if they have to cross anything more severe than a two lane boulevard, or children walking home alone in high crime neighborhoods.

  • Athena

    Solange – thanks for the kind words. :) I’ve a ways to go yet, being single and all, but I decided that my dad has a point. Us decent folk in the world are the only chance society’s got. If we don’t breed, we KNOW who will… @_@

    As for the kids walking home thing…I ALWAYS walked home alone. In my old neighborhood, there are still kids streaming home from elementary school every afternoon. I think, in most neighborhoods, some basic safety training and a little independence go a long way. I was never approached, but if I was, I knew what to do. Don’t even stop to talk to strangers; if you get grabbed, kick, scream, bite, just don’t get into the car; if someone claimed mom sent them to get me, ask for the code word (which was “Snaussages”). No code word, no go. Always try to walk with friends. If no friends are available, stick to semi-busy roads. Not so busy you’d be lost in the frey, but not empty, either. Never cross anywhere but a crosswalk, and wait for traffic to come to a complete stop before entering the road.

    These are tools. With these tools, I was generally safe. When you can afford a child some freedom, you should, in my opinion. In experience-building situations, the more you do for your child, the less they can do for themselves. These tools allowed me to use my judgment (a skill worth developing BEFORE the teenage years hit) and they translated into teenage and adulthood. Kids on my street who were kept under lock and key hit 18 like a brick wall.

    I’m not trying to say that one should never ferry their child to and from locations. Sometimes, it’s absolutely warranted. However, we are currently transforming into a society with soft, whiny, overindulged and selfish kids-turned-adults. I don’t think it’s unfair to associate this trend with the increasing amount of parents who treat their children like faberge eggs. The media absolutely encourages this practice, whipping parents into a frightened frenzy until they feel they’ve no choice but to shelter their fragile underlings. All I’m saying is, that can be extremely damaging when it’s unnecessary.

    Bottom line, from my perspective: While it is only natural to want to protect your child, it is generally more beneficial to give them the tools to protect themselves (when applicable) AND allow them to exercise these skills. This is how children become worldly, capable adults.

    Of course, I don’t encourage anyone younger than 10 walking home alone if they have to cross anything more severe than a two lane boulevard, or children walking home alone in high crime neighborhoods.

  • Athena

    Solange – thanks for the kind words. :) I’ve a ways to go yet, being single and all, but I decided that my dad has a point. Us decent folk in the world are the only chance society’s got. If we don’t breed, we KNOW who will… @_@

    As for the kids walking home thing…I ALWAYS walked home alone. In my old neighborhood, there are still kids streaming home from elementary school every afternoon. I think, in most neighborhoods, some basic safety training and a little independence go a long way. I was never approached, but if I was, I knew what to do. Don’t even stop to talk to strangers; if you get grabbed, kick, scream, bite, just don’t get into the car; if someone claimed mom sent them to get me, ask for the code word (which was “Snaussages”). No code word, no go. Always try to walk with friends. If no friends are available, stick to semi-busy roads. Not so busy you’d be lost in the frey, but not empty, either. Never cross anywhere but a crosswalk, and wait for traffic to come to a complete stop before entering the road.

    These are tools. With these tools, I was generally safe. When you can afford a child some freedom, you should, in my opinion. In experience-building situations, the more you do for your child, the less they can do for themselves. These tools allowed me to use my judgment (a skill worth developing BEFORE the teenage years hit) and they translated into teenage and adulthood. Kids on my street who were kept under lock and key hit 18 like a brick wall.

    I’m not trying to say that one should never ferry their child to and from locations. Sometimes, it’s absolutely warranted. However, we are currently transforming into a society with soft, whiny, overindulged and selfish kids-turned-adults. I don’t think it’s unfair to associate this trend with the increasing amount of parents who treat their children like faberge eggs. The media absolutely encourages this practice, whipping parents into a frightened frenzy until they feel they’ve no choice but to shelter their fragile underlings. All I’m saying is, that can be extremely damaging when it’s unnecessary.

    Bottom line, from my perspective: While it is only natural to want to protect your child, it is generally more beneficial to give them the tools to protect themselves (when applicable) AND allow them to exercise these skills. This is how children become worldly, capable adults.

    Of course, I don’t encourage anyone younger than 10 walking home alone if they have to cross anything more severe than a two lane boulevard, or children walking home alone in high crime neighborhoods.

  • Athena

    Solange – thanks for the kind words. :) I’ve a ways to go yet, being single and all, but I decided that my dad has a point. Us decent folk in the world are the only chance society’s got. If we don’t breed, we KNOW who will… @_@

    As for the kids walking home thing…I ALWAYS walked home alone. In my old neighborhood, there are still kids streaming home from elementary school every afternoon. I think, in most neighborhoods, some basic safety training and a little independence go a long way. I was never approached, but if I was, I knew what to do. Don’t even stop to talk to strangers; if you get grabbed, kick, scream, bite, just don’t get into the car; if someone claimed mom sent them to get me, ask for the code word (which was “Snaussages”). No code word, no go. Always try to walk with friends. If no friends are available, stick to semi-busy roads. Not so busy you’d be lost in the frey, but not empty, either. Never cross anywhere but a crosswalk, and wait for traffic to come to a complete stop before entering the road.

    These are tools. With these tools, I was generally safe. When you can afford a child some freedom, you should, in my opinion. In experience-building situations, the more you do for your child, the less they can do for themselves. These tools allowed me to use my judgment (a skill worth developing BEFORE the teenage years hit) and they translated into teenage and adulthood. Kids on my street who were kept under lock and key hit 18 like a brick wall.

    I’m not trying to say that one should never ferry their child to and from locations. Sometimes, it’s absolutely warranted. However, we are currently transforming into a society with soft, whiny, overindulged and selfish kids-turned-adults. I don’t think it’s unfair to associate this trend with the increasing amount of parents who treat their children like faberge eggs. The media absolutely encourages this practice, whipping parents into a frightened frenzy until they feel they’ve no choice but to shelter their fragile underlings. All I’m saying is, that can be extremely damaging when it’s unnecessary.

    Bottom line, from my perspective: While it is only natural to want to protect your child, it is generally more beneficial to give them the tools to protect themselves (when applicable) AND allow them to exercise these skills. This is how children become worldly, capable adults.

    Of course, I don’t encourage anyone younger than 10 walking home alone if they have to cross anything more severe than a two lane boulevard, or children walking home alone in high crime neighborhoods.

  • solange822001

    I agree Athena, it doesn’t do much good to shelter your child and not prepare them for adulthood either. I myself am guilty of that with my son, and I need to work on changing that. The only thing that bothers me with this little boy, is that like you said, he was crossing Biscayne Boulevard, which is a very busy 4 lane street (2 lanes on each side), and not only is it Miami, but it is a high crime area of Miami(Overtown, local people will tell you it’s not safe at all). A 5 year old walking home in that area and crossing that street is an accident waiting to happen. I have never seen a child that young walking around by themselves. Maybe it’s the city I live in, but that is just not common here. If I ever saw a child that young walking around alone, I would stop and take them to the police station, that is how out of place it is. My heart just goes out to him, a little boy that age should not have to go through this nightmare. They said his little body flew 50 feet away :(

  • solange822001

    I agree Athena, it doesn’t do much good to shelter your child and not prepare them for adulthood either. I myself am guilty of that with my son, and I need to work on changing that. The only thing that bothers me with this little boy, is that like you said, he was crossing Biscayne Boulevard, which is a very busy 4 lane street (2 lanes on each side), and not only is it Miami, but it is a high crime area of Miami(Overtown, local people will tell you it’s not safe at all). A 5 year old walking home in that area and crossing that street is an accident waiting to happen. I have never seen a child that young walking around by themselves. Maybe it’s the city I live in, but that is just not common here. If I ever saw a child that young walking around alone, I would stop and take them to the police station, that is how out of place it is. My heart just goes out to him, a little boy that age should not have to go through this nightmare. They said his little body flew 50 feet away :(

  • solange822001

    I agree Athena, it doesn’t do much good to shelter your child and not prepare them for adulthood either. I myself am guilty of that with my son, and I need to work on changing that. The only thing that bothers me with this little boy, is that like you said, he was crossing Biscayne Boulevard, which is a very busy 4 lane street (2 lanes on each side), and not only is it Miami, but it is a high crime area of Miami(Overtown, local people will tell you it’s not safe at all). A 5 year old walking home in that area and crossing that street is an accident waiting to happen. I have never seen a child that young walking around by themselves. Maybe it’s the city I live in, but that is just not common here. If I ever saw a child that young walking around alone, I would stop and take them to the police station, that is how out of place it is. My heart just goes out to him, a little boy that age should not have to go through this nightmare. They said his little body flew 50 feet away :(

  • solange822001

    I agree Athena, it doesn’t do much good to shelter your child and not prepare them for adulthood either. I myself am guilty of that with my son, and I need to work on changing that. The only thing that bothers me with this little boy, is that like you said, he was crossing Biscayne Boulevard, which is a very busy 4 lane street (2 lanes on each side), and not only is it Miami, but it is a high crime area of Miami(Overtown, local people will tell you it’s not safe at all). A 5 year old walking home in that area and crossing that street is an accident waiting to happen. I have never seen a child that young walking around by themselves. Maybe it’s the city I live in, but that is just not common here. If I ever saw a child that young walking around alone, I would stop and take them to the police station, that is how out of place it is. My heart just goes out to him, a little boy that age should not have to go through this nightmare. They said his little body flew 50 feet away :(

  • solange822001

    Rosie, when I had my son, the hospital was absolutely horrible. Since my son was a preemie, they didnt give me the option to breastfeed him. His body wasn’t digesting the formula well, and he had a distended tummy. They said if it didnt get better that he would have to have surgery. Finally after a week, my mom suggested that I ask if I could pump my breast milk and have them feed it to him. They said ok, and after that he never had the stomach problems again. If my mom hadnt mentioned that to me though, it would have never occured to me to ask. I assumed that they knew what they were doing, and that they didnt offer me that option for a reason. Later on, I read on the internet that it is well-known that preemies have problems digesting formula, and that doctors recommend that moms breastfeed them or pump the milk and feed them. I still don’t understand, why didnt the hospital recommend that I try this, or even offer it as an option? They were going to do surgery on him without even trying the breastmilk. I dont know if Im missing something, but it just didnt make sense to me. It’s like they expect new moms to know what to do about everything.

  • solange822001

    Rosie, when I had my son, the hospital was absolutely horrible. Since my son was a preemie, they didnt give me the option to breastfeed him. His body wasn’t digesting the formula well, and he had a distended tummy. They said if it didnt get better that he would have to have surgery. Finally after a week, my mom suggested that I ask if I could pump my breast milk and have them feed it to him. They said ok, and after that he never had the stomach problems again. If my mom hadnt mentioned that to me though, it would have never occured to me to ask. I assumed that they knew what they were doing, and that they didnt offer me that option for a reason. Later on, I read on the internet that it is well-known that preemies have problems digesting formula, and that doctors recommend that moms breastfeed them or pump the milk and feed them. I still don’t understand, why didnt the hospital recommend that I try this, or even offer it as an option? They were going to do surgery on him without even trying the breastmilk. I dont know if Im missing something, but it just didnt make sense to me. It’s like they expect new moms to know what to do about everything.

  • solange822001

    Rosie, when I had my son, the hospital was absolutely horrible. Since my son was a preemie, they didnt give me the option to breastfeed him. His body wasn’t digesting the formula well, and he had a distended tummy. They said if it didnt get better that he would have to have surgery. Finally after a week, my mom suggested that I ask if I could pump my breast milk and have them feed it to him. They said ok, and after that he never had the stomach problems again. If my mom hadnt mentioned that to me though, it would have never occured to me to ask. I assumed that they knew what they were doing, and that they didnt offer me that option for a reason. Later on, I read on the internet that it is well-known that preemies have problems digesting formula, and that doctors recommend that moms breastfeed them or pump the milk and feed them. I still don’t understand, why didnt the hospital recommend that I try this, or even offer it as an option? They were going to do surgery on him without even trying the breastmilk. I dont know if Im missing something, but it just didnt make sense to me. It’s like they expect new moms to know what to do about everything.

  • Athena

    I walked home from school at 5…But I lived a block and a half from school and there was only a park between the school and the house.

    That breastmilk thing is crazy…Just one more story that leads me to believe that doctors sometimes opt for the more expensive option, even when cheaper options haven’t yet been explored. Is it greed or simply negligence? Frankly, I don’t think it matters. Thank god for mom, huh?

  • Athena

    I walked home from school at 5…But I lived a block and a half from school and there was only a park between the school and the house.

    That breastmilk thing is crazy…Just one more story that leads me to believe that doctors sometimes opt for the more expensive option, even when cheaper options haven’t yet been explored. Is it greed or simply negligence? Frankly, I don’t think it matters. Thank god for mom, huh?

  • Athena

    I walked home from school at 5…But I lived a block and a half from school and there was only a park between the school and the house.

    That breastmilk thing is crazy…Just one more story that leads me to believe that doctors sometimes opt for the more expensive option, even when cheaper options haven’t yet been explored. Is it greed or simply negligence? Frankly, I don’t think it matters. Thank god for mom, huh?

  • Athena

    I walked home from school at 5…But I lived a block and a half from school and there was only a park between the school and the house.

    That breastmilk thing is crazy…Just one more story that leads me to believe that doctors sometimes opt for the more expensive option, even when cheaper options haven’t yet been explored. Is it greed or simply negligence? Frankly, I don’t think it matters. Thank god for mom, huh?

  • moscow04

    I’m sorry, all. It’s pretty hard to kill a baby human without gross neglect and prejudice. We are quite resilient as a species, especially as kids.

    This guy has no right to be scott free, as he shook the child, she has signs of impact, etc. Involuntary manslaughter.

    I mean, the injuries are pretty horrifying. If London had been 8, it’s the equivalent of death by baseball bat for misbehaving.

    And this is not a good forum for breastmilk debates.

  • moscow04

    I’m sorry, all. It’s pretty hard to kill a baby human without gross neglect and prejudice. We are quite resilient as a species, especially as kids.

    This guy has no right to be scott free, as he shook the child, she has signs of impact, etc. Involuntary manslaughter.

    I mean, the injuries are pretty horrifying. If London had been 8, it’s the equivalent of death by baseball bat for misbehaving.

    And this is not a good forum for breastmilk debates.

  • moscow04

    I’m sorry, all. It’s pretty hard to kill a baby human without gross neglect and prejudice. We are quite resilient as a species, especially as kids.

    This guy has no right to be scott free, as he shook the child, she has signs of impact, etc. Involuntary manslaughter.

    I mean, the injuries are pretty horrifying. If London had been 8, it’s the equivalent of death by baseball bat for misbehaving.

    And this is not a good forum for breastmilk debates.

  • moscow04

    I’m sorry, all. It’s pretty hard to kill a baby human without gross neglect and prejudice. We are quite resilient as a species, especially as kids.

    This guy has no right to be scott free, as he shook the child, she has signs of impact, etc. Involuntary manslaughter.

    I mean, the injuries are pretty horrifying. If London had been 8, it’s the equivalent of death by baseball bat for misbehaving.

    And this is not a good forum for breastmilk debates.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    3-month-olds are not resilient when it comes to shaking them. I have seen nowhere in which anyone has suggested this guy go scott-free. He killed a baby. The discussion was more on his motives.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    3-month-olds are not resilient when it comes to shaking them. I have seen nowhere in which anyone has suggested this guy go scott-free. He killed a baby. The discussion was more on his motives.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    3-month-olds are not resilient when it comes to shaking them. I have seen nowhere in which anyone has suggested this guy go scott-free. He killed a baby. The discussion was more on his motives.

  • Hippiepoet

    Athena, I just loved your parental instructions as a child and what your code word was. Excellent advice. If and when you decide to have children, they’ll be lucky for having an intelligent, caring and level-headed mother. You rock, sister!

  • Hippiepoet

    Athena, I just loved your parental instructions as a child and what your code word was. Excellent advice. If and when you decide to have children, they’ll be lucky for having an intelligent, caring and level-headed mother. You rock, sister!

  • Hippiepoet

    Athena, I just loved your parental instructions as a child and what your code word was. Excellent advice. If and when you decide to have children, they’ll be lucky for having an intelligent, caring and level-headed mother. You rock, sister!

  • Hippiepoet

    Athena, I just loved your parental instructions as a child and what your code word was. Excellent advice. If and when you decide to have children, they’ll be lucky for having an intelligent, caring and level-headed mother. You rock, sister!

  • Wonder

    those links do not explained the broken bones I am interested to know how old the fractures were. If this could of happened in mom care maybe why the baby didnt cry enough to draw attention of the other household members. i imagine crying causes even more pain when ribs are broken.

  • Wonder

    those links do not explained the broken bones I am interested to know how old the fractures were. If this could of happened in mom care maybe why the baby didnt cry enough to draw attention of the other household members. i imagine crying causes even more pain when ribs are broken.

  • Wonder

    those links do not explained the broken bones I am interested to know how old the fractures were. If this could of happened in mom care maybe why the baby didnt cry enough to draw attention of the other household members. i imagine crying causes even more pain when ribs are broken.

  • thepooh5

    I have had my ribs broken twice and cracked ribs more – breathing hurts! A cough or a sneeze – just about jerks a tear out every time for a few weeks. I totally believe crying would make the pain worse, I don’t remember having a crying episode during broke ribs – maybe when they were first broke. But I am sure breathing hurts. And since no one has stated any different, I had assumed the other injuries occured at the same time. I maybe wrong.

  • thepooh5

    I have had my ribs broken twice and cracked ribs more – breathing hurts! A cough or a sneeze – just about jerks a tear out every time for a few weeks. I totally believe crying would make the pain worse, I don’t remember having a crying episode during broke ribs – maybe when they were first broke. But I am sure breathing hurts. And since no one has stated any different, I had assumed the other injuries occured at the same time. I maybe wrong.

  • thepooh5

    I have had my ribs broken twice and cracked ribs more – breathing hurts! A cough or a sneeze – just about jerks a tear out every time for a few weeks. I totally believe crying would make the pain worse, I don’t remember having a crying episode during broke ribs – maybe when they were first broke. But I am sure breathing hurts. And since no one has stated any different, I had assumed the other injuries occured at the same time. I maybe wrong.

  • Athena

    Hippie – Thanks, lady! You know, the code word was from a commercial for some popular dog treats back in the mid-80s. I was a big fan of the commercial, so moms knew I wouldn’t ever forget.

    As for the article, I’ll be interested if and when we hear about those other injuries.

  • Athena

    Hippie – Thanks, lady! You know, the code word was from a commercial for some popular dog treats back in the mid-80s. I was a big fan of the commercial, so moms knew I wouldn’t ever forget.

    As for the article, I’ll be interested if and when we hear about those other injuries.

  • Athena

    Hippie – Thanks, lady! You know, the code word was from a commercial for some popular dog treats back in the mid-80s. I was a big fan of the commercial, so moms knew I wouldn’t ever forget.

    As for the article, I’ll be interested if and when we hear about those other injuries.

  • Athena

    Hippie – Thanks, lady! You know, the code word was from a commercial for some popular dog treats back in the mid-80s. I was a big fan of the commercial, so moms knew I wouldn’t ever forget.

    As for the article, I’ll be interested if and when we hear about those other injuries.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    That poor little thing, WTF is that bitch talking about! If she loved her child she would not have dumped her off and left. Now that she is dead she cares about her, what a hunk of shit.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com warrman69

    That poor little thing, WTF is that bitch talking about! If she loved her child she would not have dumped her off and left. Now that she is dead she cares about her, what a hunk of shit.

  • Sherbear

    I am new here. I do not know either of the two parents. I heard about this baby two days after she died. Needless to say it has been haunting me horribly. I have the images of this beautiful baby stuck in my head. I find myself crying at least once a day.
    I have been reading and reading about this since I heard. I saw a (YOUTUBE) tribute video to london, “Merry Christmas London”. In the video, there are pictures of London and of Jessica. There is also a “statement” from Jessica.
    In it she says that everyone is talking and no one knows the whole story. We were not there we do not know. And that the media and the websites are not making true statements. She was kicked out of her apartment. She felt that her baby (London) would be safe with her father (Josh).
    I have been on both sides of this debate, blaming and finger pointing. I finally have come to the point, that until the final autopsy report comes out, and all the court hearings are done, I am holding my judgement. I DO not know what really happened and I was NOT there. All I know is that Baby London Marie Sherwood is no longer with us, but is now an Angel in Heaven.
    Josh and Jessica are both living with there choices now. Something that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.
    RIP Baby London.

  • Sherbear

    I am new here. I do not know either of the two parents. I heard about this baby two days after she died. Needless to say it has been haunting me horribly. I have the images of this beautiful baby stuck in my head. I find myself crying at least once a day.
    I have been reading and reading about this since I heard. I saw a (YOUTUBE) tribute video to london, “Merry Christmas London”. In the video, there are pictures of London and of Jessica. There is also a “statement” from Jessica.
    In it she says that everyone is talking and no one knows the whole story. We were not there we do not know. And that the media and the websites are not making true statements. She was kicked out of her apartment. She felt that her baby (London) would be safe with her father (Josh).
    I have been on both sides of this debate, blaming and finger pointing. I finally have come to the point, that until the final autopsy report comes out, and all the court hearings are done, I am holding my judgement. I DO not know what really happened and I was NOT there. All I know is that Baby London Marie Sherwood is no longer with us, but is now an Angel in Heaven.
    Josh and Jessica are both living with there choices now. Something that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.
    RIP Baby London.

  • Sherbear

    I am new here. I do not know either of the two parents. I heard about this baby two days after she died. Needless to say it has been haunting me horribly. I have the images of this beautiful baby stuck in my head. I find myself crying at least once a day.
    I have been reading and reading about this since I heard. I saw a (YOUTUBE) tribute video to london, “Merry Christmas London”. In the video, there are pictures of London and of Jessica. There is also a “statement” from Jessica.
    In it she says that everyone is talking and no one knows the whole story. We were not there we do not know. And that the media and the websites are not making true statements. She was kicked out of her apartment. She felt that her baby (London) would be safe with her father (Josh).
    I have been on both sides of this debate, blaming and finger pointing. I finally have come to the point, that until the final autopsy report comes out, and all the court hearings are done, I am holding my judgement. I DO not know what really happened and I was NOT there. All I know is that Baby London Marie Sherwood is no longer with us, but is now an Angel in Heaven.
    Josh and Jessica are both living with there choices now. Something that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.
    RIP Baby London.

  • Sherbear

    I am new here. I do not know either of the two parents. I heard about this baby two days after she died. Needless to say it has been haunting me horribly. I have the images of this beautiful baby stuck in my head. I find myself crying at least once a day.
    I have been reading and reading about this since I heard. I saw a (YOUTUBE) tribute video to london, “Merry Christmas London”. In the video, there are pictures of London and of Jessica. There is also a “statement” from Jessica.
    In it she says that everyone is talking and no one knows the whole story. We were not there we do not know. And that the media and the websites are not making true statements. She was kicked out of her apartment. She felt that her baby (London) would be safe with her father (Josh).
    I have been on both sides of this debate, blaming and finger pointing. I finally have come to the point, that until the final autopsy report comes out, and all the court hearings are done, I am holding my judgement. I DO not know what really happened and I was NOT there. All I know is that Baby London Marie Sherwood is no longer with us, but is now an Angel in Heaven.
    Josh and Jessica are both living with there choices now. Something that they will have to live with the rest of their lives.
    RIP Baby London.

  • solange822001

    Sherbear, thanks for posting. I know how you feel, many of these stories have left me in tears. It’s nice to know that I am not the only one who is so affected by these stories :)

  • solange822001

    Sherbear, thanks for posting. I know how you feel, many of these stories have left me in tears. It’s nice to know that I am not the only one who is so affected by these stories :)

  • solange822001

    Sherbear, thanks for posting. I know how you feel, many of these stories have left me in tears. It’s nice to know that I am not the only one who is so affected by these stories :)

  • solange822001

    Sherbear, thanks for posting. I know how you feel, many of these stories have left me in tears. It’s nice to know that I am not the only one who is so affected by these stories :)

  • solange822001

    Sherbear, thanks for posting. I know how you feel, many of these stories have left me in tears. It’s nice to know that I am not the only one who is so affected by these stories :)

  • LL44

    i dont care if she got kicked out of her apt and “thought” the baby would be safe… what mother in their right mind doesn’t check in? see if baby is ok?
    and this boys parents… fucked… if that baby was in the room, no one held her, comforted her, WTF? how do you not hold and love a little baby? that baby did not ask to be born, but she was, and from the sounds of it… no one really gave a damn…til she was dead.

    mom can save her my space and memorial b.s. – she’s feeling guilty for fucking up.

  • LL44

    i dont care if she got kicked out of her apt and “thought” the baby would be safe… what mother in their right mind doesn’t check in? see if baby is ok?
    and this boys parents… fucked… if that baby was in the room, no one held her, comforted her, WTF? how do you not hold and love a little baby? that baby did not ask to be born, but she was, and from the sounds of it… no one really gave a damn…til she was dead.

    mom can save her my space and memorial b.s. – she’s feeling guilty for fucking up.

  • LL44

    i dont care if she got kicked out of her apt and “thought” the baby would be safe… what mother in their right mind doesn’t check in? see if baby is ok?
    and this boys parents… fucked… if that baby was in the room, no one held her, comforted her, WTF? how do you not hold and love a little baby? that baby did not ask to be born, but she was, and from the sounds of it… no one really gave a damn…til she was dead.

    mom can save her my space and memorial b.s. – she’s feeling guilty for fucking up.

  • LL44

    i dont care if she got kicked out of her apt and “thought” the baby would be safe… what mother in their right mind doesn’t check in? see if baby is ok?
    and this boys parents… fucked… if that baby was in the room, no one held her, comforted her, WTF? how do you not hold and love a little baby? that baby did not ask to be born, but she was, and from the sounds of it… no one really gave a damn…til she was dead.

    mom can save her my space and memorial b.s. – she’s feeling guilty for fucking up.

  • solange822001

    I’d have to agree with LL44, these type of people always hsve some story or excuse after the fact

  • solange822001

    I’d have to agree with LL44, these type of people always hsve some story or excuse after the fact

  • Sherbear

    dont care if she got kicked out of her apt and “thought” the baby would be safe… what mother in their right mind doesn’t check in? see if baby is ok?

    How do we know that she didn’t check in? We don’t. This is what I am saying. We do NOT know if she called or went over to see that baby. NO ONE knows the whole story. It is all hear say.

    I am NOT defending either parent. All I am saying is that until it all come out in court, I am holding my judgement

  • Sherbear

    dont care if she got kicked out of her apt and “thought” the baby would be safe… what mother in their right mind doesn’t check in? see if baby is ok?

    How do we know that she didn’t check in? We don’t. This is what I am saying. We do NOT know if she called or went over to see that baby. NO ONE knows the whole story. It is all hear say.

    I am NOT defending either parent. All I am saying is that until it all come out in court, I am holding my judgement

  • LL44

    Sherbear, let’s play devil’s advocate…
    OK.. she checks in… her baby is confined to a room, listless, no one is paying attention to her or loving her…
    maybe josh tells her he can’t handle it, he’s frustrated….
    either way…the baby stayed there, died there…
    and nowhere in mom’s victim rant does she admit she dumped the baby with him, or does she claim to check in on her…

    i’d love to believe something good out of this, but something is rotten in denmark.

  • LL44

    Sherbear, let’s play devil’s advocate…
    OK.. she checks in… her baby is confined to a room, listless, no one is paying attention to her or loving her…
    maybe josh tells her he can’t handle it, he’s frustrated….
    either way…the baby stayed there, died there…
    and nowhere in mom’s victim rant does she admit she dumped the baby with him, or does she claim to check in on her…

    i’d love to believe something good out of this, but something is rotten in denmark.

  • LL44

    btw, in mom’s supposed own words… SHE HAD 6 FRACTURED RIBS….. BOTH OF HER LEGS WERE FRACTURED…. AND HER BRAIN WAS SO DAMANAGED THAT IF SHE WERE TO LIVE SHE WOULD BE A VEGETABLE….

    so aside from the shaking that killed her… what about the other injuries? you don’t think if party-mom hadn’t checked in she’d notice her infant in pain? look, i have 2 of my own (2 yrs, & 6 mos)… if my 2 year old can’t poop… he is in agony (and he is a tough little bugger)… if my 6 month old has gas, she screams (and she is THE happiest, easiest baby going)… if either haf fractured ribs or fractured legs… the screaming wouldn’t stop….

    which is prob why idiot stick dad shook her… and if idiot stick mom had checked in, she’d know her precious baby girl was in danger…
    and i don’t care WHERE you live, it doesn’t take THREE weeks to find a new place to live bc a lot of places are very supportive to teen moms w/ kids… there would’ve been plenty of shelters to welcome them or assist them…

    it must be all the bad news here that is setting me off…
    not attacking you Sherbear…just looking @ both sides of the spectrum

  • LL44

    btw, in mom’s supposed own words… SHE HAD 6 FRACTURED RIBS….. BOTH OF HER LEGS WERE FRACTURED…. AND HER BRAIN WAS SO DAMANAGED THAT IF SHE WERE TO LIVE SHE WOULD BE A VEGETABLE….

    so aside from the shaking that killed her… what about the other injuries? you don’t think if party-mom hadn’t checked in she’d notice her infant in pain? look, i have 2 of my own (2 yrs, & 6 mos)… if my 2 year old can’t poop… he is in agony (and he is a tough little bugger)… if my 6 month old has gas, she screams (and she is THE happiest, easiest baby going)… if either haf fractured ribs or fractured legs… the screaming wouldn’t stop….

    which is prob why idiot stick dad shook her… and if idiot stick mom had checked in, she’d know her precious baby girl was in danger…
    and i don’t care WHERE you live, it doesn’t take THREE weeks to find a new place to live bc a lot of places are very supportive to teen moms w/ kids… there would’ve been plenty of shelters to welcome them or assist them…

    it must be all the bad news here that is setting me off…
    not attacking you Sherbear…just looking @ both sides of the spectrum

  • LL44

    btw, in mom’s supposed own words… SHE HAD 6 FRACTURED RIBS….. BOTH OF HER LEGS WERE FRACTURED…. AND HER BRAIN WAS SO DAMANAGED THAT IF SHE WERE TO LIVE SHE WOULD BE A VEGETABLE….

    so aside from the shaking that killed her… what about the other injuries? you don’t think if party-mom hadn’t checked in she’d notice her infant in pain? look, i have 2 of my own (2 yrs, & 6 mos)… if my 2 year old can’t poop… he is in agony (and he is a tough little bugger)… if my 6 month old has gas, she screams (and she is THE happiest, easiest baby going)… if either haf fractured ribs or fractured legs… the screaming wouldn’t stop….

    which is prob why idiot stick dad shook her… and if idiot stick mom had checked in, she’d know her precious baby girl was in danger…
    and i don’t care WHERE you live, it doesn’t take THREE weeks to find a new place to live bc a lot of places are very supportive to teen moms w/ kids… there would’ve been plenty of shelters to welcome them or assist them…

    it must be all the bad news here that is setting me off…
    not attacking you Sherbear…just looking @ both sides of the spectrum

  • LL44

    btw, in mom’s supposed own words… SHE HAD 6 FRACTURED RIBS….. BOTH OF HER LEGS WERE FRACTURED…. AND HER BRAIN WAS SO DAMANAGED THAT IF SHE WERE TO LIVE SHE WOULD BE A VEGETABLE….

    so aside from the shaking that killed her… what about the other injuries? you don’t think if party-mom hadn’t checked in she’d notice her infant in pain? look, i have 2 of my own (2 yrs, & 6 mos)… if my 2 year old can’t poop… he is in agony (and he is a tough little bugger)… if my 6 month old has gas, she screams (and she is THE happiest, easiest baby going)… if either haf fractured ribs or fractured legs… the screaming wouldn’t stop….

    which is prob why idiot stick dad shook her… and if idiot stick mom had checked in, she’d know her precious baby girl was in danger…
    and i don’t care WHERE you live, it doesn’t take THREE weeks to find a new place to live bc a lot of places are very supportive to teen moms w/ kids… there would’ve been plenty of shelters to welcome them or assist them…

    it must be all the bad news here that is setting me off…
    not attacking you Sherbear…just looking @ both sides of the spectrum

  • LL44

    btw, in mom’s supposed own words… SHE HAD 6 FRACTURED RIBS….. BOTH OF HER LEGS WERE FRACTURED…. AND HER BRAIN WAS SO DAMANAGED THAT IF SHE WERE TO LIVE SHE WOULD BE A VEGETABLE….

    so aside from the shaking that killed her… what about the other injuries? you don’t think if party-mom hadn’t checked in she’d notice her infant in pain? look, i have 2 of my own (2 yrs, & 6 mos)… if my 2 year old can’t poop… he is in agony (and he is a tough little bugger)… if my 6 month old has gas, she screams (and she is THE happiest, easiest baby going)… if either haf fractured ribs or fractured legs… the screaming wouldn’t stop….

    which is prob why idiot stick dad shook her… and if idiot stick mom had checked in, she’d know her precious baby girl was in danger…
    and i don’t care WHERE you live, it doesn’t take THREE weeks to find a new place to live bc a lot of places are very supportive to teen moms w/ kids… there would’ve been plenty of shelters to welcome them or assist them…

    it must be all the bad news here that is setting me off…
    not attacking you Sherbear…just looking @ both sides of the spectrum

  • Sherbear

    LL44

    I do understand where you are coming from, like I said in my first post here, in the beginning, “I have been on both sides of this debate, blaming and finger pointing” I was so angry and I still am angry. My heart just breaks for that sweet innocent baby and the pain and agony that she went through for how many days before she finally died.
    I do not know all the facts. I only know that looking at the pictures of her when she was alive, she did look happy and healthy. Then something went terribly wrong.
    I am crying right now. I have a baby. I love him more than life itself and there isn’t anything that I wouldn’t do to keep my baby safe. I was a young parent at one point in my life. I had my first child when I was 15 years old. I finished high school ahead of my class with honors. I went on to college. I got married and had two more beautiful children. My youngest is still a little baby. My first born is now 20 years old and in college.
    My heart breaks for Baby London and the pain she went through and like you and the others here, I ask myself every day where were the parents of Jessica and Josh. What kind of man is Josh’s father that he didn’t want to hold his grandbaby? And his father’s girlfriend? What kind of a woman knowing there is a beautiful baby in the house, wouldn’t want to hold the baby? The entire clan is responsible for this baby’s death.
    See, it is so easy to fall into pointing fingers. I get all worked up about it. I think about this baby day and night. It haunts me in my sleep and when I am awake.
    I need to wait until the final autopsy is complete and when everything is out in court. Hopefully all of our questions will be answered.

    Sorry for the vent.

  • Sherbear

    LL44

    I do understand where you are coming from, like I said in my first post here, in the beginning, “I have been on both sides of this debate, blaming and finger pointing” I was so angry and I still am angry. My heart just breaks for that sweet innocent baby and the pain and agony that she went through for how many days before she finally died.
    I do not know all the facts. I only know that looking at the pictures of her when she was alive, she did look happy and healthy. Then something went terribly wrong.
    I am crying right now. I have a baby. I love him more than life itself and there isn’t anything that I wouldn’t do to keep my baby safe. I was a young parent at one point in my life. I had my first child when I was 15 years old. I finished high school ahead of my class with honors. I went on to college. I got married and had two more beautiful children. My youngest is still a little baby. My first born is now 20 years old and in college.
    My heart breaks for Baby London and the pain she went through and like you and the others here, I ask myself every day where were the parents of Jessica and Josh. What kind of man is Josh’s father that he didn’t want to hold his grandbaby? And his father’s girlfriend? What kind of a woman knowing there is a beautiful baby in the house, wouldn’t want to hold the baby? The entire clan is responsible for this baby’s death.
    See, it is so easy to fall into pointing fingers. I get all worked up about it. I think about this baby day and night. It haunts me in my sleep and when I am awake.
    I need to wait until the final autopsy is complete and when everything is out in court. Hopefully all of our questions will be answered.

    Sorry for the vent.

  • Sherbear

    LL44

    I do understand where you are coming from, like I said in my first post here, in the beginning, “I have been on both sides of this debate, blaming and finger pointing” I was so angry and I still am angry. My heart just breaks for that sweet innocent baby and the pain and agony that she went through for how many days before she finally died.
    I do not know all the facts. I only know that looking at the pictures of her when she was alive, she did look happy and healthy. Then something went terribly wrong.
    I am crying right now. I have a baby. I love him more than life itself and there isn’t anything that I wouldn’t do to keep my baby safe. I was a young parent at one point in my life. I had my first child when I was 15 years old. I finished high school ahead of my class with honors. I went on to college. I got married and had two more beautiful children. My youngest is still a little baby. My first born is now 20 years old and in college.
    My heart breaks for Baby London and the pain she went through and like you and the others here, I ask myself every day where were the parents of Jessica and Josh. What kind of man is Josh’s father that he didn’t want to hold his grandbaby? And his father’s girlfriend? What kind of a woman knowing there is a beautiful baby in the house, wouldn’t want to hold the baby? The entire clan is responsible for this baby’s death.
    See, it is so easy to fall into pointing fingers. I get all worked up about it. I think about this baby day and night. It haunts me in my sleep and when I am awake.
    I need to wait until the final autopsy is complete and when everything is out in court. Hopefully all of our questions will be answered.

    Sorry for the vent.

  • Sherbear

    LL44

    I do understand where you are coming from, like I said in my first post here, in the beginning, “I have been on both sides of this debate, blaming and finger pointing” I was so angry and I still am angry. My heart just breaks for that sweet innocent baby and the pain and agony that she went through for how many days before she finally died.
    I do not know all the facts. I only know that looking at the pictures of her when she was alive, she did look happy and healthy. Then something went terribly wrong.
    I am crying right now. I have a baby. I love him more than life itself and there isn’t anything that I wouldn’t do to keep my baby safe. I was a young parent at one point in my life. I had my first child when I was 15 years old. I finished high school ahead of my class with honors. I went on to college. I got married and had two more beautiful children. My youngest is still a little baby. My first born is now 20 years old and in college.
    My heart breaks for Baby London and the pain she went through and like you and the others here, I ask myself every day where were the parents of Jessica and Josh. What kind of man is Josh’s father that he didn’t want to hold his grandbaby? And his father’s girlfriend? What kind of a woman knowing there is a beautiful baby in the house, wouldn’t want to hold the baby? The entire clan is responsible for this baby’s death.
    See, it is so easy to fall into pointing fingers. I get all worked up about it. I think about this baby day and night. It haunts me in my sleep and when I am awake.
    I need to wait until the final autopsy is complete and when everything is out in court. Hopefully all of our questions will be answered.

    Sorry for the vent.

  • LL44

    no prob…i think we are all venting…
    just seems so shameful, preventable….

  • LL44

    no prob…i think we are all venting…
    just seems so shameful, preventable….

  • LL44

    no prob…i think we are all venting…
    just seems so shameful, preventable….

  • impqueen

    Sherbear: ” I think about this baby day and night. It haunts me in my sleep and when I am awake.”

    When a case that doesn’t involve a family member or loved one is keeping you up at night and “haunting” you, it’s time to step away from the computer for a little while.

    It’s so easy, especially for those of us who are parents, caregivers or very empathetic to become overwhelmed with cases like this. We like to twist them and turn them and look at them from all angles. But when you’re in mourning for a child you’ve never met, and that grieving extends more than a day or two, it’s time to give it a break.

    Go hug your babies, or play a game with them. Resolve never to put them in a position where they could be tortured or killed due to your negligence, and do something concrete in real time for your kids, if you have them. Then come back and see if you feel better.

    Yeah, this case sucks. All these cases suck, and usually there’s a parent or grandparent who needs a good hard smack in the head. But if you spend all your time mourning other people’s kids, it affects the care you give your own.

    PS – London’s mom has access to Myspace, she couldn’t have been that homeless that she couldn’t shelter an infant.

  • impqueen

    Sherbear: ” I think about this baby day and night. It haunts me in my sleep and when I am awake.”

    When a case that doesn’t involve a family member or loved one is keeping you up at night and “haunting” you, it’s time to step away from the computer for a little while.

    It’s so easy, especially for those of us who are parents, caregivers or very empathetic to become overwhelmed with cases like this. We like to twist them and turn them and look at them from all angles. But when you’re in mourning for a child you’ve never met, and that grieving extends more than a day or two, it’s time to give it a break.

    Go hug your babies, or play a game with them. Resolve never to put them in a position where they could be tortured or killed due to your negligence, and do something concrete in real time for your kids, if you have them. Then come back and see if you feel better.

    Yeah, this case sucks. All these cases suck, and usually there’s a parent or grandparent who needs a good hard smack in the head. But if you spend all your time mourning other people’s kids, it affects the care you give your own.

    PS – London’s mom has access to Myspace, she couldn’t have been that homeless that she couldn’t shelter an infant.

  • impqueen

    Sherbear: ” I think about this baby day and night. It haunts me in my sleep and when I am awake.”

    When a case that doesn’t involve a family member or loved one is keeping you up at night and “haunting” you, it’s time to step away from the computer for a little while.

    It’s so easy, especially for those of us who are parents, caregivers or very empathetic to become overwhelmed with cases like this. We like to twist them and turn them and look at them from all angles. But when you’re in mourning for a child you’ve never met, and that grieving extends more than a day or two, it’s time to give it a break.

    Go hug your babies, or play a game with them. Resolve never to put them in a position where they could be tortured or killed due to your negligence, and do something concrete in real time for your kids, if you have them. Then come back and see if you feel better.

    Yeah, this case sucks. All these cases suck, and usually there’s a parent or grandparent who needs a good hard smack in the head. But if you spend all your time mourning other people’s kids, it affects the care you give your own.

    PS – London’s mom has access to Myspace, she couldn’t have been that homeless that she couldn’t shelter an infant.

  • Sherbear

    impqueen,

    I agree with you. I wake up every morning and hug and kiss my baby boy.

    In case you all didn’t know she also has a page on “Myyearbook.com”.

  • Sherbear

    impqueen,

    I agree with you. I wake up every morning and hug and kiss my baby boy.

    In case you all didn’t know she also has a page on “Myyearbook.com”.

  • Sherbear

    impqueen,

    I agree with you. I wake up every morning and hug and kiss my baby boy.

    In case you all didn’t know she also has a page on “Myyearbook.com”.

  • Sherbear

    impqueen,

    I agree with you. I wake up every morning and hug and kiss my baby boy.

    In case you all didn’t know she also has a page on “Myyearbook.com”.

  • Sherbear

    impqueen,

    I agree with you. I wake up every morning and hug and kiss my baby boy.

    In case you all didn’t know she also has a page on “Myyearbook.com”.

  • LL44

    Found her (jessica’s) myYearbook page… http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTM3MDc2NzU=

    Some highlights….
    last updated 23 days ago … so if I do my math correctly, baby died Dec. 4, so her last update was nov . 29… her mood was “hyper”, but last login was Dec. 12… no mention anywhere whatsoever of her daughter’s death.

    “I’m thinking about: Goin Clubbin” … shouldn’t she have been thinking of finding a place to live? checking on her baby?

    Her site makes reference to her favourite position (doggy style) & the drug she most resembles (marijuana) & the majority of her “gifts” have a sexual connotation.

    “my name is jess i live with my best friend Kendra. We have lived together for awhile now. I have a beautiful baby girl. Her name is London Marie. She is about 2 weeks old. She was born September 4th 2007. She is the most beautiful thing any one has ever given to me. Kendra is her godmother. She has lots of aunts. lol”

    did Kendra kick her out?

    “Jessica’s Clubs & Activities:
    Stargate and thats all i go to 3 nights a week”

    hmmm… nowhere to live? but can go clubbing 3 nights a week? did baby London interfere with her party lifestyle?

    sounds like her priorities were pretty messed up.

  • LL44

    Found her (jessica’s) myYearbook page… http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTM3MDc2NzU=

    Some highlights….
    last updated 23 days ago … so if I do my math correctly, baby died Dec. 4, so her last update was nov . 29… her mood was “hyper”, but last login was Dec. 12… no mention anywhere whatsoever of her daughter’s death.

    “I’m thinking about: Goin Clubbin” … shouldn’t she have been thinking of finding a place to live? checking on her baby?

    Her site makes reference to her favourite position (doggy style) & the drug she most resembles (marijuana) & the majority of her “gifts” have a sexual connotation.

    “my name is jess i live with my best friend Kendra. We have lived together for awhile now. I have a beautiful baby girl. Her name is London Marie. She is about 2 weeks old. She was born September 4th 2007. She is the most beautiful thing any one has ever given to me. Kendra is her godmother. She has lots of aunts. lol”

    did Kendra kick her out?

    “Jessica’s Clubs & Activities:
    Stargate and thats all i go to 3 nights a week”

    hmmm… nowhere to live? but can go clubbing 3 nights a week? did baby London interfere with her party lifestyle?

    sounds like her priorities were pretty messed up.

  • LL44

    Found her (jessica’s) myYearbook page… http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTM3MDc2NzU=

    Some highlights….
    last updated 23 days ago … so if I do my math correctly, baby died Dec. 4, so her last update was nov . 29… her mood was “hyper”, but last login was Dec. 12… no mention anywhere whatsoever of her daughter’s death.

    “I’m thinking about: Goin Clubbin” … shouldn’t she have been thinking of finding a place to live? checking on her baby?

    Her site makes reference to her favourite position (doggy style) & the drug she most resembles (marijuana) & the majority of her “gifts” have a sexual connotation.

    “my name is jess i live with my best friend Kendra. We have lived together for awhile now. I have a beautiful baby girl. Her name is London Marie. She is about 2 weeks old. She was born September 4th 2007. She is the most beautiful thing any one has ever given to me. Kendra is her godmother. She has lots of aunts. lol”

    did Kendra kick her out?

    “Jessica’s Clubs & Activities:
    Stargate and thats all i go to 3 nights a week”

    hmmm… nowhere to live? but can go clubbing 3 nights a week? did baby London interfere with her party lifestyle?

    sounds like her priorities were pretty messed up.

  • LL44

    Found her (jessica’s) myYearbook page… http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTM3MDc2NzU=

    Some highlights….
    last updated 23 days ago … so if I do my math correctly, baby died Dec. 4, so her last update was nov . 29… her mood was “hyper”, but last login was Dec. 12… no mention anywhere whatsoever of her daughter’s death.

    “I’m thinking about: Goin Clubbin” … shouldn’t she have been thinking of finding a place to live? checking on her baby?

    Her site makes reference to her favourite position (doggy style) & the drug she most resembles (marijuana) & the majority of her “gifts” have a sexual connotation.

    “my name is jess i live with my best friend Kendra. We have lived together for awhile now. I have a beautiful baby girl. Her name is London Marie. She is about 2 weeks old. She was born September 4th 2007. She is the most beautiful thing any one has ever given to me. Kendra is her godmother. She has lots of aunts. lol”

    did Kendra kick her out?

    “Jessica’s Clubs & Activities:
    Stargate and thats all i go to 3 nights a week”

    hmmm… nowhere to live? but can go clubbing 3 nights a week? did baby London interfere with her party lifestyle?

    sounds like her priorities were pretty messed up.

  • solange822001

    Like I said LL, the story is bullshit. Can I prove it? No. Do i think it’s a lie? Hell yeah. Fuck her, she can go to hell. What a loser

  • solange822001

    Like I said LL, the story is bullshit. Can I prove it? No. Do i think it’s a lie? Hell yeah. Fuck her, she can go to hell. What a loser

  • solange822001

    Like I said LL, the story is bullshit. Can I prove it? No. Do i think it’s a lie? Hell yeah. Fuck her, she can go to hell. What a loser

  • solange822001

    Like I said LL, the story is bullshit. Can I prove it? No. Do i think it’s a lie? Hell yeah. Fuck her, she can go to hell. What a loser

  • solange822001

    Like I said LL, the story is bullshit. Can I prove it? No. Do i think it’s a lie? Hell yeah. Fuck her, she can go to hell. What a loser

  • solange822001

    Like I said LL, the story is bullshit. Can I prove it? No. Do i think it’s a lie? Hell yeah. Fuck her, she can go to hell. What a loser

  • solange822001

    “Whether it’s a steady love or one boy/girlfriend after another, your love life IS your life. Romantic relationships trump every other facet for you and when you’re with that special someone, everything seems to stop.”

    This is from an entry of what your theme song says about you on her page. How fucking telling!

  • solange822001

    “Whether it’s a steady love or one boy/girlfriend after another, your love life IS your life. Romantic relationships trump every other facet for you and when you’re with that special someone, everything seems to stop.”

    This is from an entry of what your theme song says about you on her page. How fucking telling!

  • solange822001

    “Whether it’s a steady love or one boy/girlfriend after another, your love life IS your life. Romantic relationships trump every other facet for you and when you’re with that special someone, everything seems to stop.”

    This is from an entry of what your theme song says about you on her page. How fucking telling!

  • solange822001

    “Whether it’s a steady love or one boy/girlfriend after another, your love life IS your life. Romantic relationships trump every other facet for you and when you’re with that special someone, everything seems to stop.”

    This is from an entry of what your theme song says about you on her page. How fucking telling!

  • solange822001

    “Whether it’s a steady love or one boy/girlfriend after another, your love life IS your life. Romantic relationships trump every other facet for you and when you’re with that special someone, everything seems to stop.”

    This is from an entry of what your theme song says about you on her page. How fucking telling!

  • solange822001

    “Whether it’s a steady love or one boy/girlfriend after another, your love life IS your life. Romantic relationships trump every other facet for you and when you’re with that special someone, everything seems to stop.”

    This is from an entry of what your theme song says about you on her page. How fucking telling!

  • LL44

    i’ve been doing a bit more research, can’t seem to get solid fact, but it has been repeated all over that she didn’t know this guy was the daddy until the dna test (so he likely wasn’t there thru the pregnancy, if he knew at all)…and that shortly after she discovered he was the daddy, she dumped baby london there.
    also widely reported, but can’t say is fact, that she in fact never checked in and had to be located by police to inform her that london was in the hospital.

    by no means am i letting daddy off the hook, but mom is getting no sympathy from me.

  • LL44

    i’ve been doing a bit more research, can’t seem to get solid fact, but it has been repeated all over that she didn’t know this guy was the daddy until the dna test (so he likely wasn’t there thru the pregnancy, if he knew at all)…and that shortly after she discovered he was the daddy, she dumped baby london there.
    also widely reported, but can’t say is fact, that she in fact never checked in and had to be located by police to inform her that london was in the hospital.

    by no means am i letting daddy off the hook, but mom is getting no sympathy from me.

  • LL44

    i’ve been doing a bit more research, can’t seem to get solid fact, but it has been repeated all over that she didn’t know this guy was the daddy until the dna test (so he likely wasn’t there thru the pregnancy, if he knew at all)…and that shortly after she discovered he was the daddy, she dumped baby london there.
    also widely reported, but can’t say is fact, that she in fact never checked in and had to be located by police to inform her that london was in the hospital.

    by no means am i letting daddy off the hook, but mom is getting no sympathy from me.

  • LL44

    i’ve been doing a bit more research, can’t seem to get solid fact, but it has been repeated all over that she didn’t know this guy was the daddy until the dna test (so he likely wasn’t there thru the pregnancy, if he knew at all)…and that shortly after she discovered he was the daddy, she dumped baby london there.
    also widely reported, but can’t say is fact, that she in fact never checked in and had to be located by police to inform her that london was in the hospital.

    by no means am i letting daddy off the hook, but mom is getting no sympathy from me.

  • LL44

    i’ve been doing a bit more research, can’t seem to get solid fact, but it has been repeated all over that she didn’t know this guy was the daddy until the dna test (so he likely wasn’t there thru the pregnancy, if he knew at all)…and that shortly after she discovered he was the daddy, she dumped baby london there.
    also widely reported, but can’t say is fact, that she in fact never checked in and had to be located by police to inform her that london was in the hospital.

    by no means am i letting daddy off the hook, but mom is getting no sympathy from me.

  • LL44

    i’ve been doing a bit more research, can’t seem to get solid fact, but it has been repeated all over that she didn’t know this guy was the daddy until the dna test (so he likely wasn’t there thru the pregnancy, if he knew at all)…and that shortly after she discovered he was the daddy, she dumped baby london there.
    also widely reported, but can’t say is fact, that she in fact never checked in and had to be located by police to inform her that london was in the hospital.

    by no means am i letting daddy off the hook, but mom is getting no sympathy from me.

  • MorganPangle09

    Yeah i agree. The mother left london
    but just because she left doesnt mean she didnt love her!
    Dont sit there and blam the mother for everything. she gave her life.
    HE TOOK THE LIFE AWAY!

    If i had a child, and abanded it, yeah i would feel disgustin, but she probly thought she couldnt give it a good enough life as her dad.
    and then the dad kills her.
    he needs to be in prison for life.
    if anybody has a problem with that..
    then who cares.
    we all have diff. opinions

  • MorganPangle09

    Yeah i agree. The mother left london
    but just because she left doesnt mean she didnt love her!
    Dont sit there and blam the mother for everything. she gave her life.
    HE TOOK THE LIFE AWAY!

    If i had a child, and abanded it, yeah i would feel disgustin, but she probly thought she couldnt give it a good enough life as her dad.
    and then the dad kills her.
    he needs to be in prison for life.
    if anybody has a problem with that..
    then who cares.
    we all have diff. opinions

  • MorganPangle09

    Yeah i agree. The mother left london
    but just because she left doesnt mean she didnt love her!
    Dont sit there and blam the mother for everything. she gave her life.
    HE TOOK THE LIFE AWAY!

    If i had a child, and abanded it, yeah i would feel disgustin, but she probly thought she couldnt give it a good enough life as her dad.
    and then the dad kills her.
    he needs to be in prison for life.
    if anybody has a problem with that..
    then who cares.
    we all have diff. opinions

  • MorganPangle09

    Yeah i agree. The mother left london
    but just because she left doesnt mean she didnt love her!
    Dont sit there and blam the mother for everything. she gave her life.
    HE TOOK THE LIFE AWAY!

    If i had a child, and abanded it, yeah i would feel disgustin, but she probly thought she couldnt give it a good enough life as her dad.
    and then the dad kills her.
    he needs to be in prison for life.
    if anybody has a problem with that..
    then who cares.
    we all have diff. opinions

  • MorganPangle09

    Yeah i agree. The mother left london
    but just because she left doesnt mean she didnt love her!
    Dont sit there and blam the mother for everything. she gave her life.
    HE TOOK THE LIFE AWAY!

    If i had a child, and abanded it, yeah i would feel disgustin, but she probly thought she couldnt give it a good enough life as her dad.
    and then the dad kills her.
    he needs to be in prison for life.
    if anybody has a problem with that..
    then who cares.
    we all have diff. opinions

  • MorganPangle09

    Yeah i agree. The mother left london
    but just because she left doesnt mean she didnt love her!
    Dont sit there and blam the mother for everything. she gave her life.
    HE TOOK THE LIFE AWAY!

    If i had a child, and abanded it, yeah i would feel disgustin, but she probly thought she couldnt give it a good enough life as her dad.
    and then the dad kills her.
    he needs to be in prison for life.
    if anybody has a problem with that..
    then who cares.
    we all have diff. opinions

  • MorganPangle09

    Yeah i agree. The mother left london
    but just because she left doesnt mean she didnt love her!
    Dont sit there and blam the mother for everything. she gave her life.
    HE TOOK THE LIFE AWAY!

    If i had a child, and abanded it, yeah i would feel disgustin, but she probly thought she couldnt give it a good enough life as her dad.
    and then the dad kills her.
    he needs to be in prison for life.
    if anybody has a problem with that..
    then who cares.
    we all have diff. opinions

  • Kathy

    MorganPangle, you sound young, so I am going to be easy on you.
    Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.

    No one here is blaming the mother for everything, we know that the murderer is this child’s father.

    We just don’t like the way the “mother” is out there whoring her daughters name, memory and death pictures for sympathy. Its sick and disgusting. She wants the attention for herself. If she cared at all for this little baby, she would have at least helped Josh out. She didn’t. She left her there and forgot about her.

  • Kathy

    MorganPangle, you sound young, so I am going to be easy on you.
    Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.

    No one here is blaming the mother for everything, we know that the murderer is this child’s father.

    We just don’t like the way the “mother” is out there whoring her daughters name, memory and death pictures for sympathy. Its sick and disgusting. She wants the attention for herself. If she cared at all for this little baby, she would have at least helped Josh out. She didn’t. She left her there and forgot about her.

  • Kathy

    MorganPangle, you sound young, so I am going to be easy on you.
    Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.

    No one here is blaming the mother for everything, we know that the murderer is this child’s father.

    We just don’t like the way the “mother” is out there whoring her daughters name, memory and death pictures for sympathy. Its sick and disgusting. She wants the attention for herself. If she cared at all for this little baby, she would have at least helped Josh out. She didn’t. She left her there and forgot about her.

  • Kathy

    MorganPangle, you sound young, so I am going to be easy on you.
    Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.

    No one here is blaming the mother for everything, we know that the murderer is this child’s father.

    We just don’t like the way the “mother” is out there whoring her daughters name, memory and death pictures for sympathy. Its sick and disgusting. She wants the attention for herself. If she cared at all for this little baby, she would have at least helped Josh out. She didn’t. She left her there and forgot about her.

  • Kathy

    MorganPangle, you sound young, so I am going to be easy on you.
    Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.

    No one here is blaming the mother for everything, we know that the murderer is this child’s father.

    We just don’t like the way the “mother” is out there whoring her daughters name, memory and death pictures for sympathy. Its sick and disgusting. She wants the attention for herself. If she cared at all for this little baby, she would have at least helped Josh out. She didn’t. She left her there and forgot about her.

  • Kathy

    MorganPangle, you sound young, so I am going to be easy on you.
    Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.

    No one here is blaming the mother for everything, we know that the murderer is this child’s father.

    We just don’t like the way the “mother” is out there whoring her daughters name, memory and death pictures for sympathy. Its sick and disgusting. She wants the attention for herself. If she cared at all for this little baby, she would have at least helped Josh out. She didn’t. She left her there and forgot about her.

  • Miss. Hill

    I can not handle those pictures, such a beautiful child, such a fucking shame, I’m sick!

    I’m sure the father was over whelmed, I have been there, but never to the extent of “crossing the line”. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows what they are doing frustrated or not. Whats wrong with his family according to the article they didn’t help him…Why not?

    As for the mother I do not know why she did what she did but I could never, ever leave my child for that long, not even overnight at that age. I would have asked the father to take us both in temporarily until I got my shit together. Most first time mothers are overly protective. I use to go in with a mirror if my son was sleeping to soundly to ensure he was breathing, I was so paranoid!

    Again this story sickens me, I hope fate takes it’s course and everyone involved gets what they deserve…I can hope can’t I!

  • Miss. Hill

    I can not handle those pictures, such a beautiful child, such a fucking shame, I’m sick!

    I’m sure the father was over whelmed, I have been there, but never to the extent of “crossing the line”. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows what they are doing frustrated or not. Whats wrong with his family according to the article they didn’t help him…Why not?

    As for the mother I do not know why she did what she did but I could never, ever leave my child for that long, not even overnight at that age. I would have asked the father to take us both in temporarily until I got my shit together. Most first time mothers are overly protective. I use to go in with a mirror if my son was sleeping to soundly to ensure he was breathing, I was so paranoid!

    Again this story sickens me, I hope fate takes it’s course and everyone involved gets what they deserve…I can hope can’t I!

  • Miss. Hill

    I can not handle those pictures, such a beautiful child, such a fucking shame, I’m sick!

    I’m sure the father was over whelmed, I have been there, but never to the extent of “crossing the line”. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows what they are doing frustrated or not. Whats wrong with his family according to the article they didn’t help him…Why not?

    As for the mother I do not know why she did what she did but I could never, ever leave my child for that long, not even overnight at that age. I would have asked the father to take us both in temporarily until I got my shit together. Most first time mothers are overly protective. I use to go in with a mirror if my son was sleeping to soundly to ensure he was breathing, I was so paranoid!

    Again this story sickens me, I hope fate takes it’s course and everyone involved gets what they deserve…I can hope can’t I!

  • impqueen

    Kathy m’darlin’ said:

    “Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.”

    Oh, you SO rock. Word, amen, and yes.

  • impqueen

    Kathy m’darlin’ said:

    “Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.”

    Oh, you SO rock. Word, amen, and yes.

  • impqueen

    Kathy m’darlin’ said:

    “Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.”

    Oh, you SO rock. Word, amen, and yes.

  • impqueen

    Kathy m’darlin’ said:

    “Giving life takes alot more than laying on your back and allowing some random guy to to climb on top of you and stick his penis in your vagina. This also does not make you a good mother or guarantee that you will care for your offspring.”

    Oh, you SO rock. Word, amen, and yes.

  • Hippiepoet

    I know other’s have said this. This mother had a problem. YES, the dad shook the baby, but the mother left the baby. I could not imagine as a mother, me leaving my newborn infant for 3 weeks. There’s this bond, this “thing” that draws a mother to a child, yeah some moms don’t have it, don’t feel it. It’s a mental problem. She was too young, she didn’t want that baby, she didn’t give a shit. If she did, the baby would be with her, and she’d of been asking the father for help, not just dumping the baby. If she was overwhelmed, I can understand leaving the baby with Dad for a couple of nights, so she could get some sleep, or whatever. But 3 weeks…that’s insane. It sounds to me like she had no mothering bond or skills. This baby just didn’t have a goddamn chance, like so many others. Fucking brats screwing around and making babies that they don’t even want. It is pathetic. There are so many methods of birth control out there. To me, there is no excuse for this shit.
    I do not understand this mother, for I myself could not, and would not do this…unless like a said, I was fucking mental. Instead of throwing a bunch of stones at this father, like she’s doing…I’d be blaming myself. “Why did I leave my child?” “Why did I not check on her” “What the fuck was I thinking”.
    Again…yes it’s his fault, but she is mental for leaving her damn child, and frankly I’m just as pissed at her. I am not sympathizing at all with this father, but goddammit, think what he went through for three weeks! Babies have away of getting on your nerves, mine both cried constantly with colic. I could not imagine having to take care of my infant all alone.
    Geeez, I wish these dumb asses would quit their fucking breeding.

  • Hippiepoet

    I know other’s have said this. This mother had a problem. YES, the dad shook the baby, but the mother left the baby. I could not imagine as a mother, me leaving my newborn infant for 3 weeks. There’s this bond, this “thing” that draws a mother to a child, yeah some moms don’t have it, don’t feel it. It’s a mental problem. She was too young, she didn’t want that baby, she didn’t give a shit. If she did, the baby would be with her, and she’d of been asking the father for help, not just dumping the baby. If she was overwhelmed, I can understand leaving the baby with Dad for a couple of nights, so she could get some sleep, or whatever. But 3 weeks…that’s insane. It sounds to me like she had no mothering bond or skills. This baby just didn’t have a goddamn chance, like so many others. Fucking brats screwing around and making babies that they don’t even want. It is pathetic. There are so many methods of birth control out there. To me, there is no excuse for this shit.
    I do not understand this mother, for I myself could not, and would not do this…unless like a said, I was fucking mental. Instead of throwing a bunch of stones at this father, like she’s doing…I’d be blaming myself. “Why did I leave my child?” “Why did I not check on her” “What the fuck was I thinking”.
    Again…yes it’s his fault, but she is mental for leaving her damn child, and frankly I’m just as pissed at her. I am not sympathizing at all with this father, but goddammit, think what he went through for three weeks! Babies have away of getting on your nerves, mine both cried constantly with colic. I could not imagine having to take care of my infant all alone.
    Geeez, I wish these dumb asses would quit their fucking breeding.

  • impqueen

    Hippie girl: “There’s this bond, this “thing” that draws a mother to a child, yeah some moms don’t have it, don’t feel it. It’s a mental problem.”

    It might also be a meth problem. Methamphetamine destroys the part of the brain that controls bonding. So there’s that, too, and my guess is that if this mom is often spun, she may have meth-induced brain issues that kept her from being able to give a shit about this child.

    Or she’s just a heinous bitch.

  • impqueen

    Hippie girl: “There’s this bond, this “thing” that draws a mother to a child, yeah some moms don’t have it, don’t feel it. It’s a mental problem.”

    It might also be a meth problem. Methamphetamine destroys the part of the brain that controls bonding. So there’s that, too, and my guess is that if this mom is often spun, she may have meth-induced brain issues that kept her from being able to give a shit about this child.

    Or she’s just a heinous bitch.

  • Miss. Hill

    impqueen “Methamphetamine destroys the part of the brain that controls bonding” Is this true?

    My best friends sister is a meth addict and has 2 children had 3, she’s 23. It’s a discusting story but I will spare you. She seems to have no motherly instinct, and has given her 2 children up (which is good) but with no care or second thought. I can not understand her at all. Found that statement interesing.

    Thanks

  • Hippiepoet

    Good point Imp with the Meth….she was definitely mental, craving or on that shit, though. Addiction is definitely a mental problem. I mean it fucks with your thought processes, your brain chemicals, your sense of reasoning is gone. Has there been any proof of her using anything? (and you know I’m not talking about the marijuana) ;)

  • Miss. Hill

    impqueen “Methamphetamine destroys the part of the brain that controls bonding” Is this true?

    My best friends sister is a meth addict and has 2 children had 3, she’s 23. It’s a discusting story but I will spare you. She seems to have no motherly instinct, and has given her 2 children up (which is good) but with no care or second thought. I can not understand her at all. Found that statement interesing.

    Thanks

  • Hippiepoet

    Good point Imp with the Meth….she was definitely mental, craving or on that shit, though. Addiction is definitely a mental problem. I mean it fucks with your thought processes, your brain chemicals, your sense of reasoning is gone. Has there been any proof of her using anything? (and you know I’m not talking about the marijuana) ;)

  • solange822001

    I don’t know about meth, but I myself became addicted to cocaine and heroin while my son was a toddler. I look back and see myself doing very selfish, immature things that I regret to this day. I have a problem with my son, as he is spoiled to death now because of the guilt that I live with. I just do not have the heart to ground him and punish him. But I will say this, the bond itself was always there. Drugs do impair your parenting skills, no doubt, but not to the point where you abandon your child or stop loving them. At least not with the drugs I did, I dont know about meth. I look back at the kind of parent I was back then and am ashamed at myself, but I will at least say that:

    – my son was always fed, bathed, had plenty of clothes and toys
    – NEVER physically abused
    – never away from me for more than a night at a time (here and there when I had to work late at a restaurant, and always with my parents, no one else)

  • solange822001

    I don’t know about meth, but I myself became addicted to cocaine and heroin while my son was a toddler. I look back and see myself doing very selfish, immature things that I regret to this day. I have a problem with my son, as he is spoiled to death now because of the guilt that I live with. I just do not have the heart to ground him and punish him. But I will say this, the bond itself was always there. Drugs do impair your parenting skills, no doubt, but not to the point where you abandon your child or stop loving them. At least not with the drugs I did, I dont know about meth. I look back at the kind of parent I was back then and am ashamed at myself, but I will at least say that:

    – my son was always fed, bathed, had plenty of clothes and toys
    – NEVER physically abused
    – never away from me for more than a night at a time (here and there when I had to work late at a restaurant, and always with my parents, no one else)

  • Hippiepoet

    solange, You should be proud as hell, that you admit your addiction (in the past) and you obviously have conquered it. That says a tremendous amount about the kind of person you are. I understand the guilt trips, have a few myself from when my daughter was a baby. Stop doing it to yourself. I know I struggle with shit, and me telling you this means nothing. (things are always easier said than done)But know that you and I and many other parents, fuck up, make mistakes, but see what singles us out, is we know…. We learn, we correct it. We don’t abuse, abandon, or kill our children. There is a damn fine line, and a few times I came close to crossing it. My daughters father started drinking heavily after she was born and didn’t want to work. I worked 11p-7a at the hospital and would sleep a couple hours and have to get up with the baby, because my ex-husband would be passed out. I survived on little sleep. I’d lose my temper easily. I would yell at my daughter and one time I picked her up out of her playpen and sat her down on the floor roughly. She cried, and I cried, and shit fire, she’s 11 now and to this day, I’ll never forget the look on her face. There’s been other times when I’ve lost my patience, and I can understand that moment….that millisecond when you make the choice, whether to act out all the anger, or yell and walk the fuck away. Beat the shit out of a pillow. Punch the damn wall, whatever. We are human beings, we make mistakes, but dammit hurting a child to the extent as some of these fuckwad parents do, there is no excuse. Once the line is crossed there is no going back.

  • Hippiepoet

    solange, You should be proud as hell, that you admit your addiction (in the past) and you obviously have conquered it. That says a tremendous amount about the kind of person you are. I understand the guilt trips, have a few myself from when my daughter was a baby. Stop doing it to yourself. I know I struggle with shit, and me telling you this means nothing. (things are always easier said than done)But know that you and I and many other parents, fuck up, make mistakes, but see what singles us out, is we know…. We learn, we correct it. We don’t abuse, abandon, or kill our children. There is a damn fine line, and a few times I came close to crossing it. My daughters father started drinking heavily after she was born and didn’t want to work. I worked 11p-7a at the hospital and would sleep a couple hours and have to get up with the baby, because my ex-husband would be passed out. I survived on little sleep. I’d lose my temper easily. I would yell at my daughter and one time I picked her up out of her playpen and sat her down on the floor roughly. She cried, and I cried, and shit fire, she’s 11 now and to this day, I’ll never forget the look on her face. There’s been other times when I’ve lost my patience, and I can understand that moment….that millisecond when you make the choice, whether to act out all the anger, or yell and walk the fuck away. Beat the shit out of a pillow. Punch the damn wall, whatever. We are human beings, we make mistakes, but dammit hurting a child to the extent as some of these fuckwad parents do, there is no excuse. Once the line is crossed there is no going back.

  • impqueen

    Solange,

    You have my respect and admiration for standing up and fighting your addictions. Cocaine and particularly heroin are rough monkeys to get off your back, and congratulations to you for doing it. It’s hard.

    Cocaine and heroin, while heinous drugs, don’t affect the brain in the same way that methamphetamine does. Meth is the worst drug in the world because of what it does to people’s ability to love and care for those around them.
    Parents on meth are much more likely to abuse or kill their children than parents using other drugs. This is because the part of the brain that forms emotional attachments is damaged and in some cases destroyed by meth.

    Meth addicts who manage to stay clean for several years are sometimes able to bond with their kids, but just as often they don’t get that back and parenting becomes something they don’t care about doing long term. Even if they know they should love their kids and try to love their kids, they don’t have the ability to care for very long. My brother and all of his various women have been meth addicts. As a result his three daughters by three mothers are being raised by family other than their parents. My brother is in prison, has been clean for several years, and wants very much to love his children and care for them – but he doesn’t know if he will ever have that ability.

    Meth was originally developed by the Nazis. It does things to the brain that no other drug does. No child is safe whose parent or caregiver is using or has recently used that shit.

    Was London’s mom using meth before she got pregnant? I dunno, but if not she has a raucous case of borderline personality disorder. Otherwise, i’d vote yes.

  • impqueen

    Solange,

    You have my respect and admiration for standing up and fighting your addictions. Cocaine and particularly heroin are rough monkeys to get off your back, and congratulations to you for doing it. It’s hard.

    Cocaine and heroin, while heinous drugs, don’t affect the brain in the same way that methamphetamine does. Meth is the worst drug in the world because of what it does to people’s ability to love and care for those around them.
    Parents on meth are much more likely to abuse or kill their children than parents using other drugs. This is because the part of the brain that forms emotional attachments is damaged and in some cases destroyed by meth.

    Meth addicts who manage to stay clean for several years are sometimes able to bond with their kids, but just as often they don’t get that back and parenting becomes something they don’t care about doing long term. Even if they know they should love their kids and try to love their kids, they don’t have the ability to care for very long. My brother and all of his various women have been meth addicts. As a result his three daughters by three mothers are being raised by family other than their parents. My brother is in prison, has been clean for several years, and wants very much to love his children and care for them – but he doesn’t know if he will ever have that ability.

    Meth was originally developed by the Nazis. It does things to the brain that no other drug does. No child is safe whose parent or caregiver is using or has recently used that shit.

    Was London’s mom using meth before she got pregnant? I dunno, but if not she has a raucous case of borderline personality disorder. Otherwise, i’d vote yes.

  • solange822001

    Hippie and Imp, you have me here crying, thank you so much for the kind words. I appreciate your support, it’s not easy for me to talk about, even on an anonymous post, so thank you thank you thank you

  • solange822001

    Hippie and Imp, you have me here crying, thank you so much for the kind words. I appreciate your support, it’s not easy for me to talk about, even on an anonymous post, so thank you thank you thank you

  • solange822001

    Impqueen, I didnt know that meth did that, and that the Nazis developed it! That is insane, I consider myself lucky that I didn’t ever get involved with that drug. Luckily we dont have a lot of it here is South Florida, at least I dont think so. I think its more of a west coast drug

  • solange822001

    Impqueen, I didnt know that meth did that, and that the Nazis developed it! That is insane, I consider myself lucky that I didn’t ever get involved with that drug. Luckily we dont have a lot of it here is South Florida, at least I dont think so. I think its more of a west coast drug

  • Sherbear

    Today, Josh is supposed to appear in court. I wonder what will happen.
    I wish I could be a fly on the wall and listen in.
    I was wondering, does anyone know if and how we can find anything out that happens in court for his court appearance?

  • Sherbear

    Today, Josh is supposed to appear in court. I wonder what will happen.
    I wish I could be a fly on the wall and listen in.
    I was wondering, does anyone know if and how we can find anything out that happens in court for his court appearance?

  • pms.247

    I’m just catching up here..
    My daughter was a meth-addicted runaway from the ages 14-17. The drugs almost killed her, and I was very suicidal because, of course, I was failing as a mother because I couldn’t save my daughter. I had 3 sons I was also raising, and from working for attorneys during the day, going home and fixing dinner, helping with homework, etc., and driving for hours at night looking for my daughter, I became a robot – just functioning on auto-pilot. Just numb. It was some bad-assed horrible years. After a lot of work on her part, she’s now a cleaned up, absolutely beautiful, sober and very healthy 23 year old woman with a new 4 month old baby who she absolutely adores., and who, thank God, is very healthy. The bonding was immediate, and we are all very grateful. She always had the maternal instincts of a brick wall – until this baby was born.

  • pms.247

    I’m just catching up here..
    My daughter was a meth-addicted runaway from the ages 14-17. The drugs almost killed her, and I was very suicidal because, of course, I was failing as a mother because I couldn’t save my daughter. I had 3 sons I was also raising, and from working for attorneys during the day, going home and fixing dinner, helping with homework, etc., and driving for hours at night looking for my daughter, I became a robot – just functioning on auto-pilot. Just numb. It was some bad-assed horrible years. After a lot of work on her part, she’s now a cleaned up, absolutely beautiful, sober and very healthy 23 year old woman with a new 4 month old baby who she absolutely adores., and who, thank God, is very healthy. The bonding was immediate, and we are all very grateful. She always had the maternal instincts of a brick wall – until this baby was born.

  • thepooh5

    I’m glad you found your daughter and so very glad she was able to get her life back on track. Congrats on the new, wonderful child in your lives. Best wishes to all. It is so refreshing to get a tid-bit of good news among all the saddness.

  • thepooh5

    I’m glad you found your daughter and so very glad she was able to get her life back on track. Congrats on the new, wonderful child in your lives. Best wishes to all. It is so refreshing to get a tid-bit of good news among all the saddness.

  • pms.247

    Thank you, Pooh. I think if we all wrote out life stories for each other to read, we’d all turn into blubbering idiots…LOL…that is, of course, until Morbid and Swivel would entertain us with their one-liners.

  • pms.247

    Thank you, Pooh. I think if we all wrote out life stories for each other to read, we’d all turn into blubbering idiots…LOL…that is, of course, until Morbid and Swivel would entertain us with their one-liners.

  • thepooh5

    I could use a good one-liner myself right now. I need the laugh. I can’t stay away from Morbid’s site. But man, you sure can get the blues. Someone on one of the threads was talking about how the things on here keep them awake. I know what they mean. And, then, someone else, perhaps Kathy or impqueen, I don’t remember, said “its time to step away from the computer when it bothers you that much”.

    They were right. I have to step away sometimes. That is why you can read my posts everyday at times and then I don’t post for days. That is because I had to step away. Such a sad site, BUT so much information. Morbid does a great job – and holds out for the facts.

  • thepooh5

    I could use a good one-liner myself right now. I need the laugh. I can’t stay away from Morbid’s site. But man, you sure can get the blues. Someone on one of the threads was talking about how the things on here keep them awake. I know what they mean. And, then, someone else, perhaps Kathy or impqueen, I don’t remember, said “its time to step away from the computer when it bothers you that much”.

    They were right. I have to step away sometimes. That is why you can read my posts everyday at times and then I don’t post for days. That is because I had to step away. Such a sad site, BUT so much information. Morbid does a great job – and holds out for the facts.

  • http://faeriekat.wordpress.com/ Faerie♥Kat

    Merry meet, gentle folk.

    I have been tracking this case since December 12th and have blogged 28 posts as of this date, including the results of Schaak’s first court appearance yesterday (a status hearing that scheduled his arraignment). I invite you to visit http://faeriekat.wordpress.com/category/abuse/child/ and look over everything that I’ve been able to find out about this tragedy.

    Namaste

    Kat

  • http://faeriekat.wordpress.com Faerie♥Kat

    Merry meet, gentle folk.

    I have been tracking this case since December 12th and have blogged 28 posts as of this date, including the results of Schaak’s first court appearance yesterday (a status hearing that scheduled his arraignment). I invite you to visit http://faeriekat.wordpress.com/category/abuse/child/ and look over everything that I’ve been able to find out about this tragedy.

    Namaste

    Kat

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  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Merry meet, gentle folk.

    Har! Har! She called you gentle.

    Hi, Faerie♥Kat. I remember your site being one of the ones that always came up when I was searching for info on this story. Thanks for the link.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Merry meet, gentle folk.

    Har! Har! She called you gentle.

    Hi, Faerie♥Kat. I remember your site being one of the ones that always came up when I was searching for info on this story. Thanks for the link.

  • MissNikki

    I just heard about this story and it is truely heartbreaking. As the mother of six children, having my first baby at 16, I have no sympathy for the mother of London. None. The fact that she left the baby with the father doesn’t disgust me, it is the fact that she never went back, yet when the baby was dying, she showed up and is now telling “her” story. She needs to just stop.

    She left her baby with someone who she could not have known was capable of caring for her. She can say “well, he was her father” and he “SHOULD have been able to care for his baby.”

    No, when it comes to your baby, and you have used a DNA result as a way out, then you don’t deserve any sympathy. If she didn’t have a place to live, did it occur to her to go to a shelter? Take the father to court for support? Did she even ASK him for help? Maybe putting her baby in a foster home? I mean, how could that be any different then just leaving her for 3 weeks?

    My advice to her is that she conduct herself now the same way she did during her childs last 3 weeks alive, and go away. If you couldn’t be there for London while she was alive, then you have no right “being there” for her in death.

  • MissNikki

    I just heard about this story and it is truely heartbreaking. As the mother of six children, having my first baby at 16, I have no sympathy for the mother of London. None. The fact that she left the baby with the father doesn’t disgust me, it is the fact that she never went back, yet when the baby was dying, she showed up and is now telling “her” story. She needs to just stop.

    She left her baby with someone who she could not have known was capable of caring for her. She can say “well, he was her father” and he “SHOULD have been able to care for his baby.”

    No, when it comes to your baby, and you have used a DNA result as a way out, then you don’t deserve any sympathy. If she didn’t have a place to live, did it occur to her to go to a shelter? Take the father to court for support? Did she even ASK him for help? Maybe putting her baby in a foster home? I mean, how could that be any different then just leaving her for 3 weeks?

    My advice to her is that she conduct herself now the same way she did during her childs last 3 weeks alive, and go away. If you couldn’t be there for London while she was alive, then you have no right “being there” for her in death.

  • thepooh5

    My advice to her is that she conduct herself now the same way she did during her childs last 3 weeks alive, and go away. If you couldn’t be there for London while she was alive, then you have no right “being there” for her in death.

    She might miss out on some sympathy. I have to agree with you Miss Nikki. Just shut the hell up.

    She left her baby with someone who she could not have known was capable of caring for her. She can say “well, he was her father” and he “SHOULD have been able to care for his baby.”

    Exactly, she should have made sure the “dad” was capable of taking care of the baby. She’s acting so tore up that her baby is gone – where was that concern for 3 weeks? She wasn’t with her child then and seemed to be ok while she was partying. Her concern, for her little girl, came after the fact. I find it so appalling that she would try to make the dad out to be the only “bad guy” involved her daughter’s death.

    The dad is responsible – but she shares completely in the responsibility. If she had called to check on the child, showed up to see how she and the father were getting along, did they need anything — had she done anything other than just say “here’s the DNA results, here’s the baby, see ya – I might could find a little sympathy for her. But she did nothing to ensure her child’s safety.

    While the dad failed miserably, he seems to have attempted to try to give the little girl a home and tried to be a part of her life. And, had he had any family support, I feel this would not have happened. I do not excuse him. I believe he was overwhelmed by everything and failed because of it. The mom had many months to prepare for being a parent. – The dad got a DNA notice, so to speak, and a child dropped in his lap with out any warning or family support. His own father didn’t even want to hold the child. Damn.

    My whole problem with the mom is, how could she not know the dad might abuse the child or just flat out, did not have a clue what to do, with a little girl. Especially, since it was a revenge custody thing, that she forced on him? She just wanted someone else to have the responsibility and her the party. I can’t feel sorry for her.

  • thepooh5

    My advice to her is that she conduct herself now the same way she did during her childs last 3 weeks alive, and go away. If you couldn’t be there for London while she was alive, then you have no right “being there” for her in death.

    She might miss out on some sympathy. I have to agree with you Miss Nikki. Just shut the hell up.

    She left her baby with someone who she could not have known was capable of caring for her. She can say “well, he was her father” and he “SHOULD have been able to care for his baby.”

    Exactly, she should have made sure the “dad” was capable of taking care of the baby. She’s acting so tore up that her baby is gone – where was that concern for 3 weeks? She wasn’t with her child then and seemed to be ok while she was partying. Her concern, for her little girl, came after the fact. I find it so appalling that she would try to make the dad out to be the only “bad guy” involved her daughter’s death.

    The dad is responsible – but she shares completely in the responsibility. If she had called to check on the child, showed up to see how she and the father were getting along, did they need anything — had she done anything other than just say “here’s the DNA results, here’s the baby, see ya – I might could find a little sympathy for her. But she did nothing to ensure her child’s safety.

    While the dad failed miserably, he seems to have attempted to try to give the little girl a home and tried to be a part of her life. And, had he had any family support, I feel this would not have happened. I do not excuse him. I believe he was overwhelmed by everything and failed because of it. The mom had many months to prepare for being a parent. – The dad got a DNA notice, so to speak, and a child dropped in his lap with out any warning or family support. His own father didn’t even want to hold the child. Damn.

    My whole problem with the mom is, how could she not know the dad might abuse the child or just flat out, did not have a clue what to do, with a little girl. Especially, since it was a revenge custody thing, that she forced on him? She just wanted someone else to have the responsibility and her the party. I can’t feel sorry for her.

  • Sherbear

    I just wanted to update you all. Joshua had his court appointment yesterday, Jan 16th. He plead “no contest” and will have his sentencing in March.
    Faerie Kats (#85) can give you more insight as it is very informative.

  • Sherbear

    I just wanted to update you all. Joshua had his court appointment yesterday, Jan 16th. He plead “no contest” and will have his sentencing in March.
    Faerie Kats (#85) can give you more insight as it is very informative.

  • http://myspace.com/randisamilf myoutsey

    All I know is that both parties are at fault. I am the mother of a 4 year old little girl. I had her when I was 16. I was all drugged out and drinking everyday but I gave up everything the day I found out I was pregnant. I know everyone is not like me but this is sickening to my stomach. I know damn well not to go drop my baby girl off at her babys fathers house and not call or stop by for 3 weeks. You are a fucking mother. You made a child. She was apart of you. I cant even go a day without my Lilly. I cant fathom abandoning an innocent child. Yeah the piece of shit father shook her, but the mother allowed it because she was too busy going to stargate and getting fucked doggy style. I hope they both rot in hell. They will NEVER see that baby again. Its a horrible thing. Its making me too mad.

  • http://myspace.com/randisamilf myoutsey

    All I know is that both parties are at fault. I am the mother of a 4 year old little girl. I had her when I was 16. I was all drugged out and drinking everyday but I gave up everything the day I found out I was pregnant. I know everyone is not like me but this is sickening to my stomach. I know damn well not to go drop my baby girl off at her babys fathers house and not call or stop by for 3 weeks. You are a fucking mother. You made a child. She was apart of you. I cant even go a day without my Lilly. I cant fathom abandoning an innocent child. Yeah the piece of shit father shook her, but the mother allowed it because she was too busy going to stargate and getting fucked doggy style. I hope they both rot in hell. They will NEVER see that baby again. Its a horrible thing. Its making me too mad.

  • cicismommy08

    so josh got sentenced to 9 years in prison which isnt much and as for the mother jessica her profile is on private and ive made plaent attempts to request her as friend but it wont allow me..but ive seen her default pictures and IM NOT SURE but in most she looks a little messed up chigny red eyes and all that but here recently i tried to view it andof cousr still on private but it says she is 9 weeks pregnant! what the hell!!! this is so sad i just pray this child she is pregnant with now dosent end up like our angel london

  • cicismommy08

    so josh got sentenced to 9 years in prison which isnt much and as for the mother jessica her profile is on private and ive made plaent attempts to request her as friend but it wont allow me..but ive seen her default pictures and IM NOT SURE but in most she looks a little messed up chigny red eyes and all that but here recently i tried to view it andof cousr still on private but it says she is 9 weeks pregnant! what the hell!!! this is so sad i just pray this child she is pregnant with now dosent end up like our angel london

  • silvahalo

    I’m familiar with this story,  but this additional info I had not read, puts a new spin on things. I was thinking about my sister and when she unexpectedly got pregnant at age 20 with some guy she got drunk with. Neither one of them wanted the baby and lived in denial through most of the pregnancy. She had thought of aborting but ultimately decided not to. I was really mad with her when I first found out she was pregnant. I had tried really hard to get her to be careful with her sexcapades as she often would go out with one guy and end up sleeping with him with out care for herself. Anyhow, my worry was that she’d pick up a disease and get pregnant. Well, the latter happened and her life was changed forever.

    I played the tough love with her a bit but then one day, I realized, her and this “boyfriend”, didn’t even want the baby, what if she lost it and one of them hurt the baby out of frustration, resentment, anger…..etc. I’d never forgive myself for not helping somehow. So I took a different stance. I helped her the first 3 months almost constantly. The first 3 weeks, heck I was with that baby more than she was…. sad, but I was worried for my nephew and my sister was amazingly still in denial about being a mother and the bf was a joke.

    In this case of baby London, ultimately, she was killed by her father. But the blame goes beyond just him, in my opinion. This young mother was obviously in a lot of denial too and as soon as she realized he was the father she just dumps the baby off and tells him to handle her. During those 3 weeks, I understand she didn’t even check on baby London. And I don’t want to read that baby London was the “love of her life”, but failed to check on her once during that time. I get being a young mother and in denial was hard shit for her but leaving the baby off with the father, a young man with NO experience what so ever with children and probably overwhelmed with the responsibilities of caring for his new daughter, can put anyone in a questionable state of mind. What he did was unforgivable, no doubt, but I have got to say, I am not surprised one bit that it happened. Newborn babies are a lot, of work! You don’t understand the true meaning of sleep deprivation until you are left to care for a newborn….alone, for that matter. I bet he thought he could handle the baby and would show London’s mama just how capable he was. And those people who were in the home with him, his father for christ sake, and his girlfriend, hell, they are heartless fucks to not lift a finger to help him. IF that was tough love, not once did they think how this was effecting the baby too. It is beyond me that they could listen to that baby cry and not help. I could never do it. We know that in a moment of complete frustration, anger, resentment, what have you, he shook baby London viciously and perhaps did so on more than one occasion. Agina, unforgivable but I am not at the least surprised.

    Baby London was let down by everyone because all those people decided they were more important than she ever was. People who were selfish, self-absorbed  put baby Landon last. And those closest to her, mother and father deserve the ultimate blame. Her killer deserves just punishment but that she was dropped off without care to her will being, that deserves to be addressed to. A simple thing as to call and check on baby during those weeks might have saved her life. Those people there who listened and probably new something was wrong….shame on you. A babies life was in jeopardy and I bet you they never thought twice about that…not until the girlfriend saw the baby motionless with blue lips……fuck, practically a dead baby and now she’s concerned. I have no doubt the mother sincerely regrets and mourns her baby and maybe the father too. But in the midst of all that, “she’s your baby, no she’s yours”, bullshit, they all forgot baby London in the process. So there it goes a dead baby because no one gave a damn for the little one who could not speak for herself, and decide her own fate.

    Children always get “shafted” with adult bullshit and drama. They always lose.

    Rest in peace sweet baby London Marie….you little one, deserved to be remembered and cherished when you were still alive.

  • silvahalo

    I’m familiar with this story,  but this additional info I had not read, puts a new spin on things. I was thinking about my sister and when she unexpectedly got pregnant at age 20 with some guy she got drunk with. Neither one of them wanted the baby and lived in denial through most of the pregnancy. She had thought of aborting but ultimately decided not to. I was really mad with her when I first found out she was pregnant. I had tried really hard to get her to be careful with her sexcapades as she often would go out with one guy and end up sleeping with him with out care for herself. Anyhow, my worry was that she’d pick up a disease and get pregnant. Well, the latter happened and her life was changed forever.

    I played the tough love with her a bit but then one day, I realized, her and this “boyfriend”, didn’t even want the baby, what if she lost it and one of them hurt the baby out of frustration, resentment, anger…..etc. I’d never forgive myself for not helping somehow. So I took a different stance. I helped her the first 3 months almost constantly. The first 3 weeks, heck I was with that baby more than she was…. sad, but I was worried for my nephew and my sister was amazingly still in denial about being a mother and the bf was a joke.

    In this case of baby London, ultimately, she was killed by her father. But the blame goes beyond just him, in my opinion. This young mother was obviously in a lot of denial too and as soon as she realized he was the father she just dumps the baby off and tells him to handle her. During those 3 weeks, I understand she didn’t even check on baby London. And I don’t want to read that baby London was the “love of her life”, but failed to check on her once during that time. I get being a young mother and in denial was hard shit for her but leaving the baby off with the father, a young man with NO experience what so ever with children and probably overwhelmed with the responsibilities of caring for his new daughter, can put anyone in a questionable state of mind. What he did was unforgivable, no doubt, but I have got to say, I am not surprised one bit that it happened. Newborn babies are a lot, of work! You don’t understand the true meaning of sleep deprivation until you are left to care for a newborn….alone, for that matter. I bet he thought he could handle the baby and would show London’s mama just how capable he was. And those people who were in the home with him, his father for christ sake, and his girlfriend, hell, they are heartless fucks to not lift a finger to help him. IF that was tough love, not once did they think how this was effecting the baby too. It is beyond me that they could listen to that baby cry and not help. I could never do it. We know that in a moment of complete frustration, anger, resentment, what have you, he shook baby London viciously and perhaps did so on more than one occasion. Agina, unforgivable but I am not at the least surprised.

    Baby London was let down by everyone because all those people decided they were more important than she ever was. People who were selfish, self-absorbed  put baby Landon last. And those closest to her, mother and father deserve the ultimate blame. Her killer deserves just punishment but that she was dropped off without care to her will being, that deserves to be addressed to. A simple thing as to call and check on baby during those weeks might have saved her life. Those people there who listened and probably new something was wrong….shame on you. A babies life was in jeopardy and I bet you they never thought twice about that…not until the girlfriend saw the baby motionless with blue lips……fuck, practically a dead baby and now she’s concerned. I have no doubt the mother sincerely regrets and mourns her baby and maybe the father too. But in the midst of all that, “she’s your baby, no she’s yours”, bullshit, they all forgot baby London in the process. So there it goes a dead baby because no one gave a damn for the little one who could not speak for herself, and decide her own fate.

    Children always get “shafted” with adult bullshit and drama. They always lose.

    Rest in peace sweet baby London Marie….you little one, deserved to be remembered and cherished when you were still alive.

  • mipsy

    The reason why jessica didn’t check in on london was because she had checked herslelf into rehab.

    she didn’t just abandon her so she could go party.

    she had given london to the father so that she could go to rehab and get herself cleaned up so she could take better care of her baby.

  • mipsy

    The reason why jessica didn’t check in on london was because she had checked herslelf into rehab.

    she didn’t just abandon her so she could go party.

    she had given london to the father so that she could go to rehab and get herself cleaned up so she could take better care of her baby.

  • eracsurfer

    The reason why jessica didn’t check in on london was because she had checked herslelf into rehab.

    I’ve never heard of a rehab facility without a phone, or one that wouldn’t take the welfare of her child into consideration while she was getting treatment. They would in fact encourage her to have contact with the one steadying influence that she had, to strengthen her resolve in getting clean. Not excusing the actions of the father murderer or his family, but she made more of an attempt to get sympathy than she ever did to be a mother.

    Thanks for bringing this thread back from obscurity. And I am so grateful that I cannot view the pics here at work. The words of the article are enough to tear my heart out, I would need a dark room to sit in for at least an hour if I had to look at the precious baby too.

  • eracsurfer

    The reason why jessica didn’t check in on london was because she had checked herslelf into rehab.

    I’ve never heard of a rehab facility without a phone, or one that wouldn’t take the welfare of her child into consideration while she was getting treatment. They would in fact encourage her to have contact with the one steadying influence that she had, to strengthen her resolve in getting clean. Not excusing the actions of the father murderer or his family, but she made more of an attempt to get sympathy than she ever did to be a mother.

    Thanks for bringing this thread back from obscurity. And I am so grateful that I cannot view the pics here at work. The words of the article are enough to tear my heart out, I would need a dark room to sit in for at least an hour if I had to look at the precious baby too.

  • babyfat

    my god this woman is messed up.why would she put her baby last theyres cash ,money,guys then her baby.she probably was screwing other guys at the same time .that baby was just stunning but with that bitch for a mother the baby would have turned out to be a stripper with the dad as a pimp . she would have been beautiful to bad she never got a chance at life she would have had to knock the boys of her.but seriously what the hell is wrong with the guy smashing the baby’s head against the sink and bathroom window take a damn pill screw that just roll up and die .ps.i woonder what he was doing to the baby all cramped up in that room it makes me sick just to think about it………………

  • babyfat

    my god this woman is messed up.why would she put her baby last theyres cash ,money,guys then her baby.she probably was screwing other guys at the same time .that baby was just stunning but with that bitch for a mother the baby would have turned out to be a stripper with the dad as a pimp . she would have been beautiful to bad she never got a chance at life she would have had to knock the boys of her.but seriously what the hell is wrong with the guy smashing the baby’s head against the sink and bathroom window take a damn pill screw that just roll up and die .ps.i woonder what he was doing to the baby all cramped up in that room it makes me sick just to think about it………………

  • Anonymous

    Interesting that not a word was ever breathed of rehab a year and a half ago when all this went down. Did somebody suddenly realise it might sound like a compelling excuse to some of us?

    I am with Eracsurfer: Any serious rehab would have taken the baby into account and encouraged the “mother”‘s bonding with her.

  • Abroad

    Interesting that not a word was ever breathed of rehab a year and a half ago when all this went down. Did somebody suddenly realise it might sound like a compelling excuse to some of us?

    I am with Eracsurfer: Any serious rehab would have taken the baby into account and encouraged the “mother”‘s bonding with her.

  • NameREALMOTHER

    She is just as much at fault for her daughter death as he is. She left her daughter there to die. Not knowing the living condition of this thing, man. She is useless trash that deserves the same fate as her daughter. No mother in their right mind would just dump their kids off to anyone including a man she just found out was the father. She needs to rot in HELL.

  • vxiii

    I dont care, what kind of a mother abandons her child? NONE, even animals will figjht you to the death to protect their babies., Bitch, she just dumped the baby off, i would never have left any of my kids anywhere, if they werentwith me I felt nervous until they came back, regardless of who they were with…

  • vxiii

    are you her mom? If so she is a good mother, why did she dump the baby off? She was a beautiful child, only looks to me like the bitch came back to calm her concsience at the last hours….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edward-Richtofen/100002131970646 Edward Richtofen

    she was the one who killed the child. she shock her and relized she better hand the baby off before it dies in her costudy.