2 Toddlers Left By Trash Near Strip Club
December 14, 2007 by Morbid
PhoenixPhoenix reviews
– A strip club surveillance camera captured a white sedan pulling up to the back of a business and leave two toddlers by a trash bin. One of the toddlers was only wearing a t-shirt and a diaper. The girl is believed to be about 9 months old and the boy is about a year-and-a-half old. They were discovered by a garbage collector about 5:30 a.m. The children are in good shape and have been turned over to state Child Protective Services. Anyone with information is encouraged to call Phoenix police at 602-262-5151.
I wouldn’t want to be the parents of the boy on the left. He looks a bit pissed. Thanks for the heads up, Tricia.
Update:
Police have located the mother but are not releasing her identity. The strip club did say that she was not an employee and never has been.
6:38 pm on December 14th, 2007
Yeah, the boy does look kind of pissed off. Like “I don’t guess I’m going to get that pony for Christmas, either. Goddamnit.”
Awfully cold of the parent(s) to leave the kids out by the trash, but at least they didn’t beat, torture or starve them to death, I’ll give them that much.
6:49 pm on December 14th, 2007
You’re right, dammit, at least they’re ok. But sheesh, couldn’t you at least pick a dumpster by a hospital or police precinct? Why out back of a strip club? Put ‘em somewhere someone will find them and take care of them instead of possibly putting them in greater danger.
Oh, well, at least they’re ok. And young enough that they will have no memory of it whatsoever. Let’s hope they find a loving home together.
6:57 pm on December 14th, 2007
Whats an oddlers?
i know im going to time out!
7:29 pm on December 14th, 2007
Hey! I was in a hurry. I had to go eat! Hell, I didn’t even have surveillance spelled right.
7:52 pm on December 14th, 2007
lol! thats why i ran away. because im so perfect that i can point out others mistakes!
in my glass house and all!
have a good weekend!
8:10 pm on December 14th, 2007
while I dont condone the parents actions at least they didnt kill the kids because they wernt wanted maybe the parent or whom ever left them there couldnt take care of them and hope a better person would find them they way they went about it was wrong but at least the children are safe now
8:12 pm on December 14th, 2007
Look at the eyelashes on that little girl! Those are some adorable kids. And lucky, too. I mean, not TOO lucky, or they wouldn’t have been abandoned to begin with…But they’re alive and well. It could have been so much worse.
Probably high, drug-addict parents. I mean, why else pick a strip club as a destination for these tikes?
8:13 pm on December 14th, 2007
My, how jaded we become. “…At least they didn’t kill the kids…” No, kidding, farmergurl. No kidding.
9:09 pm on December 14th, 2007
A sort of happy ending. Yeah, bravo for the parents or parent that let their child be taken in by good folks (strip club may be nasty but it’s better then in the bottom of river/lake/etc…you gift my drift), instead of killing them for getting in the way. Your right Athena, I’m definitely feeling a bit more jaded these days.
9:13 pm on December 14th, 2007
god those children are beautiful….I’m looking at my 5 yr old and thinking damn, how could someone not want their kids….I know, I know… lots of reasons, but they’re all fucking sad.
11:47 pm on December 14th, 2007
Athena, you took the words right out of my mouth! I can see you guys’ point, but how long were those poor kids sitting in a dark alley???? How cold was it? We are damn lucky that some bum or crackhead didn’t come along and find himself a new sextoy. Jesus fucking christ, this makes me so pissed off. There is nothing humane about leaving two babies basically in the trash! This is nothing like the mothers who drop their kids at a house and ring a doorbell, or at a firestation. This person didnt give a shit whether those kids were kidnapped, raped, hit by a car, anything! Let’s find this asshole and prosecute them to fullest extent of the law.
11:50 pm on December 14th, 2007
“Yeah, bravo for the parents or parent that let their child be taken in by good folks”
No Hippie, no! Bravo nothing! These people were not thinking “My child would be better in a loving home”. They were thinking “I’ll drop them off where it’s convenient for me, I don’t care what happens to them after that”. Think about all the scary things that could have happened to these babies.
12:13 am on December 15th, 2007
solange, my point was, bravo they didn’t kill ‘em, look how many parent’s we read about that do. My god, these children are alive and well, physically. At least these parents had the heart to drop ‘em off instead of killing them off. Yeah, maybe they had little or nothing in their hearts but they obviously wasn’t murdering fucks. So I gotta go with the bravo to them, their kids are alive.
Peace.
12:51 am on December 15th, 2007
I know Hippie, I wasn’t trying to diss what you were saying at all, but these people are just as bad as the mothers who watch their boyfriends beat and kill their kids (Lena Buhr anyone?). They didn’t murder anyone, but they obviously didn’t give two shits about whether these kids lived or died. To me there is not much that makes me happy in this story. We should be comparing these people to us, not to the sick murdering parents we read about at. Where would they stand then?
1:01 am on December 15th, 2007
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/KTVKLNews20071214_abandoned-toddlers-found.156dbfeb.html
Morbid, they identified the mom
1:02 am on December 15th, 2007
“The video leads police to believe that the kids were dropped off behind the strip club at about 4 a.m., which means they were out in the cold for about 90 minutes. One of the kids was wearing only a diaper and a T-shirt.”
Like I said, heartless bitch needs to be locked up. And tie her tubes while their at it
1:04 am on December 15th, 2007
Oh yeah, and I know this is just speculation, but the kids look like they have two different dads. Well there’s a fucking surprise!!
1:11 am on December 15th, 2007
“despite being out on a morning when the overnight low was 42 degrees.”
Yes, imagine being in a tshirt and diaper in 42 degree weather. Imagine a baby feeling that cold. There is NOTHING fucking humane or heartwarming about this.
1:17 am on December 15th, 2007
Those poor babies. Those eyes are breaking my heart. Just bring ‘em to my house.
Fuckwit parents will probably get over being high and wonder where they left the kids.
1:21 am on December 15th, 2007
Do we know who exactly dropped the children off?
Solange, You don’t know that whomever dropped those kids off knew what time the garbage truck came, or maybe when the place closed and someone would be leaving. You seem harsh to not completely know the details of the situation. We don’t know why those kids were dropped off there. We surely don’t need folks taking up place in prisons for this kind of crime. Someone abandoned two children. They didn’t freeze to death, they were okay. Yes, “something” could have happened to them, but it didn’t. I got to know more of the story before I call the mother a “heartless bitch”.
The two kids not looking alike also seems unfair. My two kids don’t look too much a like. One was from a previous marriage. It doesn’t necessarily mean the mother was some kind of ho or bad person. (maybe she was or is) I just want to see what the rest of the story is for I start screaming “lock the bitch up”.
Peace
1:23 am on December 15th, 2007
I guess after all the other horrid shit I read on here, this just doesn’t seem as bad. (I think Athena is right about getting jaded)
It is horrible these children were abandoned, but it is wondrous that these two are alive.
1:27 am on December 15th, 2007
You’re right Hippiepoet, I take that back about the mom, since we dont know if it was her. But I still think whomever did this needs to be locked up. And honestly, I’m shocked that you and others on this post seem to think that this is not that big of a deal. And please don’t tell me that these people knew what time the garbage truck came or if someone would be coming out of the STRIP CLUB to save the kids. Anyone who cared that much would have left there kids in a different location. Sorry, but I am in complete disagreement with the majority of what you said. Instead of always sticking up for the adults, maybe it’s time people started defending innocent children? Yeah, so maybe we don’t know all the “facts” yet. But I think I know enough to make an educated guess.
1:35 am on December 15th, 2007
I dont know anything about the neighborhood, but maybe mom was selling herself and put the kids there until she got back? Yeah that really sucks.
If police found her after others told them who the mother was she wasn’t looking for them was she?
this really sucks.
I have been reading stuff on here ever since first reading about Rowan Ford, (what a horrible….horrible story) I cant get over how truely evil people can be towards their own kids.
This story isnt as bad as others but it is still really…..really bad. What is going to happen is they are going to give these kids back to the mother cause this is just a neglect issue and then in a few months Morbid will post another story and it will be that the kid’s mother’s boyfriend/uncle/brother/husband killed the kids. so so sad.
Or maybe the mom is okay and the caregiver took the kids and she just didnt know it because she was at work or something (we can only hope)
1:37 am on December 15th, 2007
Hippie, I reread my post and I’m sorry if I came off harsh to you. I just really really get worked up over these things. Please don’t take it personally
1:42 am on December 15th, 2007
So parent’s or folks who drop off/abandon children are as bad as those that murder. I just cannot agree. I still need more of the story. I do understand your anger, I cannot imagine doing such a thing. After reading stories after stories of parents killing their kids, beating their kids to death, etc., yes this story has a happier ending. Thank goodness.
I didn’t feel like I was “sticking up for the adults”. I try not to be too quick to judge what I don’t entirely know. I just read a brief paragraph about this incident and a report from the link you provided. I know nothing of what these children’s parents are like, or their caregivers. I do not know why they were even dropped off. I still need more info.
Maybe whoever dropped them off was totally fucked up and couldn’t drive to the nearest hospital or firestation. My guess who ever dropped them off lived near that strip joint. Maybe they had no gas in the tank and couldn’t drive them any further. Maybe they were so fucking distraught over something they just dropped ‘em at the nearest place they could find.?????
I’m saddened that someone did this, but I’m elated these beautiful children are alive.
1:45 am on December 15th, 2007
“Hippie, I reread my post and I’m sorry if I came off harsh to you. I just really really get worked up over these things. Please don’t take it personally”
Solange no problem, someone debating with me over something is good, keeps us on our toes. You were not a bit rude, my friend. You’re upset. It’s cool.
12:15 pm on December 15th, 2007
Thanks Hippie
3:58 pm on December 15th, 2007
umm…. just would like to point out that mr. speed – the pedophile who had a little girl’s clothes half off in seconds- is ALSO from phoenix…
how thankful am i that william speed was nowhere near these poor babies, otherwise the outcome would’ve been SO different…..
8:52 pm on December 15th, 2007
This happened about four miles from where william speed was at. Phoenix is a pretty drug infested city to begin with. Tweekers are everywhere-like zombies.
They also have a major problem with homelessness. Lots of homeless teens live on the roofs of malls there, too.
12:27 am on December 16th, 2007
good god…. i didn’t realize it was so close…i think i threw up in my mouth…
i visited phoenix in 99 i believe, stayed @ a youth hostel… was pretty naive & got a nice dose of reality… cross dressing hookers with residue (glue???) all over their faces begging for change at 3 in the afternoon @ the corner variety store… arizona mystified me – beautiful with lots of seedy places mixed in…
and to think i went to university in windsor… right across the river from detroit…
2:11 am on December 16th, 2007
LL, you’re exactly right. You can’t visually tell the good neighborhoods from the ghetto at first out in phx.
…and, omg, I think I have seen that hooker out there, too!!
Windsor is beautiful. I am from Detroit, and was just discussing the beauty of Windsor during the Freedom Fest.
4:53 am on December 16th, 2007
mg welcome to the group ! #23 I was thinking too mom was working doing a trick or dancing. maybe late picking them up again and someone babysitting dropped them off where she worked.
LL post # 28 – I noticed that too
#26 hippie come on how much more gas do you need for extra passengers ?
there are 2 kids 9 months apart surely she has been told about adoption and safe places to leave your kids or call centers funny no matter how people these kids are these days they can afford cell phone and did you know you can dial 911 free from any pay phone. There is no excuse for abandoning your kids.
If the kids have differnt fathers then there are probably 3 sets of grandparents God only knows how many aunts uncles and neighbors that would of helped them to make the phone calls.
female or male whoever left off the kids unsupervised needs to be neutered or spauded
no not as bad as killing them but its still a horrible Crime
I have a friend from another group that lives in arizona and they wear shorts all year. I see right now the temps are in the 50’s. The day temps range 60 – 115
http://weather.yahoo.com/climo/USAZ0166_f.html
They are young enough they will forget if they are adopted out now but when the system drags on and on and gives the parent(s) to try again hopefully they will not fail the kids a second time.
5:19 am on December 16th, 2007
corrections : funny no matter how POOR these kids are they carry working cell phone
12:36 pm on December 16th, 2007
QUOTE Wonder “There is no excuse for abandoning your kids.”
Maybe not for you Wonder, but obviously many parents feel the need to do this, cause the reality is, it happens. And I am sorry but I would rather be reading this, than ” two children murdered in Phoenix cause there POS parents didn’t want them.” We crucify the fuck out of murdering parents, well guess what? THESE KIDS ARE ALIVE! We still don’t know who or why these kids were even dropped off.
As far as the gas comment, Wonder, I was trying to come up with reasons these folks dropped the kids where they did. Yeah it’s a dumbass reason, but ya know what, any reason for leaving the kids there is a dumb reason.
Peace
12:44 pm on December 16th, 2007
we are lucky to be reading that they are alive though…the scenarios that could’ve occurred b/c some fuckwad dropped them off on the road at 4am are too numerous to mention! hit by a car, kidnapped, mauled by a stray dog, hypothermia, choking from putting foreign objects in their mouth…. i could go on and on….
and i don’t care how desperate you are, there are about 1 million safer, more logical spots to “dump” your kids…if you really truly needed to……..
2:17 pm on December 16th, 2007
ok so were all i agreement that the babies are at least alive and for that were thankfull and while we dont approve of the drop off site we dont know all of the details as of yet my be it wasnt the parents maybe it was a babysitter maybe some one had kidnapped them and chickend out who knows all I know is lets not did the parents yet and no there is no excuse for dumping your kids we are all from the old school and times are diffrent now we dont know what this mother is going thru maybe she is a young scared kid herself facing the world alone and she although stupid as it may be thought she was doing the best thing she could by hoping some one would find her babies and give them a better life hey not everyone is a perfect as morbid’s angels’s are so befor we get our panties in a bunch lets wait for the rest of the details
2:58 pm on December 16th, 2007
“the scenarios that could’ve occurred b/c some fuckwad dropped them off on the road at 4am are too numerous to mention! hit by a car, kidnapped, mauled by a stray dog, hypothermia, choking from putting foreign objects in their mouth…. i could go on and on….”
Exactly LL44, I mean I just cannot believe that this person (whomever it is)really did this hoping for their kids to have a better home. I understand that we should wait for more details before deciding who to be angry at, but what else do we need to know to BE angry period? Two babies were left in the middle of the night in the freezing cold in an alley, out with yesterday’s trash. That is enough to make ME pissed the fuck off. There is no excuse or scenario that anyone can give me that would justify this. These arent stray dogs that someone decided that they couldn’t take care of, these are children for god’s sake.
3:01 pm on December 16th, 2007
Farmergurl, I know that you guys are trying to be the voice of reason, but in reality, are we “angels” for not putting childrens lives in dangers? That should be what any average person does. Whomever dropped these kids off like this is lower than low.
3:03 pm on December 16th, 2007
I’m telling you guys, I know we dont have all the facts, but I am so positive that the intention was not to give them a better life. There is no way any normal person would leave them in the back of a strip club hoping that someone would give them a better home. Yeah sure, maybe they will have a better life, if they even make it through the night. There was no guarantee of that. Those people are damn lucky, or they would be facing murder charges.
3:06 pm on December 16th, 2007
I feel that whoever did this was of extremely low intelligence, but did want the kids found. There is also the slight possibility that the parents of these kids were not the ones who left them. Possibly a murderer who didn’t want the kids left alone, a car-jacking, who knows. I don’t think it was coincidental that the kids were left by trash that would be picked up within the hour. There is also the possibility that they were watched from afar as well.
Not that I am an optimistic person, as the thought of someone leaving two kids by trash to fend for themselves does not surprise me in the slightest, but we will see soon enough.
Oh, had to add, they weren’t placed behind a strip club. The strip club camera caught the car leaving them behind a business.
3:14 pm on December 16th, 2007
I stand corrected. I just updated the story. The kids have been identified and the mother located, although no identities have been released. The dumpster WAS behind the strip club.
5:59 pm on December 16th, 2007
wonder, thanks for the welcome.
I am really hoping that the mom was at work and this was a case of the babysitter or boyfriend messing up. I remember when the Chester Stiles case first came out, i was so mad at that mother for not protecting her kid. I had all sorts of horror stories running through my mind from mom hooking the kid to selling the kid. But it happened while mom, who was young and poor was at work.
It is a very sad situation, but hopefully mom was at work and didnt know this was happening and this will be her wake up call.
8:36 pm on December 16th, 2007
I thought I was the only one thinking this, but I found this comment on a blog:
“something very odd about this story…aside from the obvious horror of it, they know who the mom is but haven’t named her, nor have they indicated she’s definitely involved in this incident….”
Do you guys think it’s strange that nothing else has been said in regards to this? Even though they have the mom? Usually news gets out pretty quick…
8:50 pm on December 16th, 2007
“They were propped up against the dumpster, police said, surrounded by broken glass and cigarette butts, less than 10 feet from the road”
Doesn’t sound like someone looking for a safe haven for their kids.
9:01 pm on December 16th, 2007
They are probably not naming the mom yet so we don’t have another Lori Drew episode in which an online posse starts lighting their pitchforks before the facts are in. Other than that, I am not sure of why they would not name the mother.
9:09 pm on December 16th, 2007
Those are MY babies!
Someone stole them and I’ve been looking for them EVERYWHERE!
When and where can I pick them up?
Think they’d fall for it and let me have them?
9:16 pm on December 16th, 2007
Probably not, Kathy. Knowing the way the system seems to work in every state, they will be right back in danger in no time.
9:31 pm on December 16th, 2007
I agree with morbid whom everdroped these babies off is not right in the head thats a fact like I said before maybe they just didnt think about what they were doing yes it was a dangerous situation but we cant say they did it with or with out regaurds to the children maybe the any way I will not dwell on woulda shoulda couldas I will just say thank God they are safe now and hope for them a better life than the one the had we might also need to look at this as a christmas time mircle
9:47 pm on December 16th, 2007
No such thing as miracles. Those kids just got lucky. They were 10 feet from the street.
12:26 am on December 17th, 2007
morbid yes mircles do occure I cant say how i know but I live a mircle everyday its a secrect between me and God but mircle or Human intervention what ever the case maybe I choose to say thank God their alive.Now if you dont beleive in God thats up to you but I will Pray for your soul because I know deep down there is a caring loving person behind the demon mas that you choose to portray You were given a great talent to creat and maintain this web site and that in its self is a mircle God has blessed you morbid and may I say thank you for this wonderful site a place where we can come let out our true feelings
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