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  Kathy

  Dec 10, 2007 at 9:19 am -

  Sorry, but aren’t ALL crimes hate crimes?

  Anyway, I saw this in the news this weekend and the first thing that came to my mind was, “I can’t believe these parents are defending their kids!” What a way to teach personal responsibility.

  and PLEASE
  ““It wasn’t a hate crime,” said one of the girl’s mother, Monalisa Carter. “That’s so untrue. I did not raise her that way. Britny is not a racial person. She has white friends, black friends; she gets along with everybody.””

  so you didn’t raise her to be racist, but you did raise her to go be a public menace and to gang up on a woman and beat her this badly? Un-fucking-believable.

  
  
  

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  tabularasa9

  Dec 10, 2007 at 10:10 am -

  Hate crime = Crime motivated by hate for a race!!! So no, not all crimes are hate crimes.

  Again shitty kids raised by, more than likely, shitty parents.

  
  
  

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  Kathy

  Dec 10, 2007 at 10:21 am -

  I should have been more specific. I meant crimes such as assault, murder, rape. Crimes against the physical being of another person. Are you telling me that these crimes are not done with malice for the victim? Is that not hate? Should the serial killers/ rapists who attack women because they hate them also be convicted under hate crime laws? Are you only protected if you are a member of a minority group by race or sexual preference? Is your violation any less if you are not a member of one of these groups? Is your life worth less time?

  To me, hate crime laws are a joke. they are only there to “make up” for the fact that crimes against minorities and homosexuals are already treated less seriously. Now we have to prove it was a hate crime to get EQUAL treatment under the law. You need to fix the system that allows a white man to get less time for killing a black woman than that same man for killing a white woman. People are people. a life is a life. Just because I was born with my skin tinted a specific color or choose to have sexual relations with a person of the same sex should not give me more or less protection under the law than anyone else.

  But yeah, shitty kids raised by shitty parents.

  
  
  

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  tabularasa9

  Dec 10, 2007 at 10:31 am -

  Now I see what you actually meant. Totally agree! None of the crimes should be treated differently than any other crime; with the exception of a crime against a child I think.

  
  
  

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  JUSTAMOM2

  Dec 10, 2007 at 10:43 am -

  It’s a sad crime, kids running in groups and menacing people, doesn’t matter what freaking color, these kids need to be tought that if you want to live in society you live by the rules. If you choose not too, bye bye.

  
  
  

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  Heather

  Dec 10, 2007 at 10:44 am -

  Kathy–I totally agree with you on the hate-crime thing.

  Okay, now back up, if this were WHITE teens beating a BLACK woman, what would it be considered? A hate crime. I don’t see what the fucking big deal is when it’s reversed. Everyone can be racist. Do I think the kids were racist? They are probably more along the line of assholes; however, again, if it were white kids, people would more readily put the hate-crime stamp on this.

  I think hate-crimes in general are bullshit. We should have stiffer laws for violent crimes, no matter what the motive is. Also, it’s hard to prove what motivates crime, anyway. So, someone’s getting fucked no matter what.

  
  
  

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  Kathy

  Dec 10, 2007 at 10:48 am -

  Heather, unfortunately I think you are right. But people need to learn that you can’t have it both ways. That’s why they need to get rid of these laws.

  
  
  

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  kakihara

  Dec 10, 2007 at 11:01 am -

  Gotta love Bmore. Charm City baby! The land of pleasant livng.

  
  
  

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  Morbid

  Dec 10, 2007 at 11:02 am -

  I agree that hate crimes are bullshit and have from the moment they were first brought up. Not only because of how asinine they are by definition (I mean come on. If I kill someone who is black because they are black and my brother kills someone who is black because he thought it would be fun, I get stiffer penalty for murder? Ridiculous.) but also in the fact that everyone knew that if they were put into place, they would only be used in two circumstances. A gay being assaulted for being gay, or a white man assaulting a black man. Period. I have not done any research, yet, but I am curious as to how many times a race based hate crime was successfully put through the legal system, and the ethnic details of the parties involved. Let’s not even get into how hate crimes can (and do) piss in the face of objective justice. DAMN I love my commas!

  
  
  

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  Hippiepoet

  Dec 10, 2007 at 12:07 pm -

  9 to 1 huh? Wow, what a bunch of pussy’s. Unbelievable. How many people were on the bus? It is sad to think, that there were probably many folks around and no one but her boyfriend stepped in to help? Parents raising their kids to hate and be mean. How sad. Thank fucking goodness they didn’t kill her. Right on, to the lady that stepped out of her house. Sister probably saved that chicks life.

  
  
  

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  Athena

  Dec 10, 2007 at 12:17 pm -

  I must say, it’s refreshing to see so many against the ridiculousness that is hate crime legislation. Nobly intended, it may be, but the application is questionable. Also, no specific motivation should be taken more seriously than the next. Racism is no worse a motivation than is greed, jealousy, etc.

  Here are the 2002 known hate crime offenders by race:

  Total 7,314

  White 4,517
  Black 1,592
  American Indian/Alaskan Native 43
  Asian/Pacific Islander 87
  Multiple Races, Group 355
  Unknown Race 720

  
  
  

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  aspartame

  Dec 10, 2007 at 1:22 pm -

  this happened to a girl i know. basiclly her and her friends got the shit kicked out of them by a group of young black kids, (just for being white). and i say kids because are from 12-17.

  the group was convicted of a hate crime, and got probation.

  i attached the links to the storys.

  http://www.freerepublic.com/fo.....2373/posts

  http://cbs2.com/local/Hallowee.....27710.html

  
  
  

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  ashdavus

  Dec 10, 2007 at 1:31 pm -

  ridiculous! in my opinion, I would have to call this a bad case of neglect on the part of nine sets of parents. I wonder how many of those parents actually know their kids friends, where they are at any given time, and what ‘activities’ they are participating in. i doubt any of the 9 left home with a “see ya later Mom. The group and I are gonna go kick the shit out of a white bitch this afternoon.”
  More than likely it was something like “I’m going out”, if they said anything at all. You can claim to raise your kids not to be that way, but if you have no clue or no interest in what they’re doing with their time then you’re just wasting yours.

  
  
  

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  GothaBella

  Dec 10, 2007 at 1:55 pm -

  WTF is our society coming to? I am interested to see what kind of sentences these people will receive. I also wonder if the publicity will sway the sentencing.
  I know someone who was in an abusive relationship and was burned in the face with a cigarette. Recently, her husband (not the person who burned her) came too close to her face with a cigarette and she knocked it out of his mouth. She went to jail, and was charged with assault.

  
  
  

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  pms.247

  Dec 10, 2007 at 2:19 pm -

  If this case were reversed, and the victim was black and beaten by a group of white kids, the Reverend Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be making sure their faces and big mouths were all over every local and cable news network possible, stirring the pot and making everything worse with their threats and speeches against hate crimes and racism. I’d love to see those two come out of hiding now and say something supportive of this girl and her boyfriend, but it will never happen. The victims here are not black, and Jackson and Sharpton only see that one color. They are cowards.

  
  
  

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  Nyrak

  Dec 10, 2007 at 5:50 pm -

  I think those 9 kids are a bunch of shitheaded fuckwads. When I was 14/15 yrs old I think I was more interested in
  going to the mall and looking for cute boys, listening to music, and watching movies with my friends, not beating the shit out of someone on a city bus.

  What was going through those kids minds anyway? I wonder if they do this kind of thing on a regular basis.

  A hate crime, such a stupid label. Crime is crime, no matter what color the fucking asshole(s) are.

  
  
  

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  Athena

  Dec 10, 2007 at 6:11 pm -

  Expecting Jackson and Sharpton to speak out against all brands of racism is like expecting the Pope to speak out against all brands of religious persecution. While it would be nice, it’s not really their job. Whites do not require such advocates, really. If you look at the numbers I posted you’ll see why.

  There were approximately 4,500 white offenders victimising roughly 25% of the population (assuming victims were any type of minority). On the other hand, you’ve got roughly 2,500 minority offenders victimising approximately 75% of the population.

  Based on those numbers alone, a minority is still MUCH more likely to be the victim of a hate crime. As a result, some civil rights leaders feel the need to focus their efforts. I happen to think that Jackson and Sharpton are ridiculous, but I can’t say I blame them for being one-sided.

  
  
  

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  wtfever

  Dec 11, 2007 at 1:01 am -

  Well I’m black and I think this behavior is awful and they need their little butts in Juvie….QUICK! But The Rev. Jessie Jackson comment was not fair……ALL black people don’t think just because white people are involved that it’s racial OR that whites are out to “GET US” but we can still aware of the injustices.
  I moved to Phoenix AZ two years ago and my husband and I (both mixed) and our 2 BLACK friends were hanging out minding our own business next thing you know we are being surrounded by about 25 white teens yelling “F*ck you nigg*rs” (our ages are between 29-36…& we were leaving happy hour after WORK) I tried to talk them into calming down, there was no cursing and screaming from our side, we are ALL professional adults with children……..long story short……..I got my bootie beat like a..WELL….A 30yr old trying to fight 5 teen girls..( 3 girls jumped on my other girlfriend and the rest jumped on my husband and his friend…so much for a first blind date) The cops broke up the “fight” and arrested 8 of them and 14 in all had to appear in court for disorderly conduct. NONE of us (all 4) got arrested……..WAS that a HATE CRIME or was that a bunch of DRUNK 18yr old college freshmen out of control one night? Myself my husband and our friends didn’t get arrested but WE got handcuffed and ticketed for disorderly conduct and had to spend 8 months going back and fourth to court(????????????????????? WTF)……we finally had to hire our friend who’s an attorney to get the charges dismissed (even w/ his discount it’s not fair WE had to pay anything). When our lawyer got the police report it CLEARLY states from the officers that…four black/hispanic adults were “fighting” 18-24 white teens when they arrived on the scene……We were defending ourself, thats it! And the ONLY reason those 8 got arrested is because they continued to act up after the police showed up. No hate crime was filed and Rev. Jackson didn’t show up to defend us! Even though I’m still mad at those little jerks who need some home training and JUVIE for what happened……I can not say they were RACIST for a FACT and I actually believe they were just 18(yrs old) drunk and being VERY STUPID, and the first group of people they came across was going to get beat up that night, blk, wht, or other!

  
  
  

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  Wonder

  Dec 11, 2007 at 3:36 am -

  I read the links from post #12 and its so very sad indeed and scary that I seen others post that it is just going to get worse.

  apartame - horrible what happen to your friend(s) I can feel the pain - makes me cry I can imagine they will suffer mentally from this their entire life. Not to mention the pain when it rains I’m sure.

  The Judge that tried this case needs beaten. He didn’t want his tax dollars to go toward their meals instead the county will benefit from slavery (community service and camp). How does the victim get satisfaction and payment. Doubt this would be the outcome if it was his daughter.

  Why when something happens the city reaps rewards and not the victim !!!! WE need more marches and advocates to fight for the citizens and do away with Justice systems that fail the people !!!!

  I am sry that happen to you and your friend wtfever … you are right its not fair the SYSTEM NEEDS REVAMPED ! not only the cost of attorneys but your time, parking fees and your stress that you endured …. it all quite sucks !

  
  
  

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  Athena

  Dec 11, 2007 at 4:12 pm -

  wtfever - That’s a very reasonable perspective, there. The use of slurs does not always signal racism, but it does always signal ignorance. Still, the use of racial slurs during the commission of a crime is often all that is required to qualify a crime as a hate crime. It’s unfortunate that you folks got screwed in that instance, but I’m glad to hear no one was seriously hurt.

  Wonder - The system needs to be revamped in a lot of ways, but that’s not one of them. There are two ways to recoop expenses after being victimised. One is crime victim’s compensation, which will cover any medical costs related to the crime after insurance is tapped. Of course, this is very limited. But, that’s why there’s civil court. In civil court, you can sue your attacker for everything from attorney’s fees to emotional damage. Sure, you have to shell out the initial cost for a civil attorney, but if you win, you can include those costs in your settlement, as well. Kind of a pain in the ass, but often worth it, if you sustained significant losses.

  
  
  

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  impqueen

  Dec 11, 2007 at 5:37 pm -

  “Sure, you have to shell out the initial cost for a civil attorney…”

  and therein lies the problem for a lot of crime victims.

  
  
  

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  Athena

  Dec 11, 2007 at 5:54 pm -

  There are a number of civil attorneys that will take a case pro-bono and get paid when you get settlement.

  Either way, life sucks sometimes. We can’t be expecting the government to step in and make things right every time something bad happens to us. We have established means of recooping costs.

  
  
  

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  impqueen

  Dec 11, 2007 at 7:24 pm -

  I do realize that there are attorneys who will work on a contingency basis, if not pro bono. Got one in the family, matterafact. But oftentimes civil suits aren’t a cost effective way to recoup costs or damages after a crime.
  For one thing, many offenders are indigent. Those who aren’t tend to get very good at hiding assets when litigation comes a-callin’. Attorneys know this, and generally won’t take on a case for a contingency fee unless they are very sure they can win, and win big, in which case they’ll pull on average 33% of the award amount.

  After legal fees and taxes, victims can often end up in the hole, and that’s if they can collect at all. I have been a victim in civil litigation, and I ended up with less than 20% of the settlement - an amount that left me in the hole by several thousand dollars considering my medical bills and time off work - not couting the nastiness and pain that made me feel forced to sue in the first place. And I had an excellent legal team that got me well over the standard for the type of suit I filed.

  So the civil court system is not usually an effective or even viable way to make someone pay for a criminal act. I agree with you, Athena, that we can’t expect the government to fix everything. But expecting the civil courts to help is just as unrealistic most of the time.

  
  
  

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  Wonder

  Dec 11, 2007 at 10:46 pm -

  court system - haha

  you don’t show up for civil court they do nothing about it
  if you do win a civil case and they dont pay they do nothing about it

  Most the time a crook doesn’t have a pot to piss in

  and you can be a victim and not have medical bills

  does victim of crime help you when you get found guilty of disorderly - NO

  Stress - is priceless ! There is no conpensation when your house gets robbed and you fear to leave your home to go to work. On the weekends you have to leave someone home You don’t know who they are they your car is not in the driveway.

  Yeah I have 2 big dogs awww but they let me get robbed for $380
  yeah vs. the $525 security alarm (10 yrs is $5250) money wise I’m way ahead of the game. but mentally whats victim of cry do - or home insurance having $500 deductible.

  * for a matter of fact my daughters car got smashed saturday 430 am by a Hit and Run Long story … neighbor saw the car hit her car and speed off 50 mph in a 20 ran the next stop sign. lol the car left behind the license plate. matched the color of paint on my daughter car yes. Cops say they can’t prove The owner of the 95 red chevy was driving it. Officer appears at her address hears voices but no one answers the door. He leaves by the time he goes back to station. The red chevy was reported stolen… after the accident happen. He goes back to the address to take the report and makes a deal for her admission of guilt - for a pay out ticket of failure to control she stated she was driving her mother told her on the phone to leave the scene you will be arrested.

  Not one question where were you coming from at 430 am ? could it be a bar we could file civil suit against them could it be a friends at that time of morning.

  She don’t work dont have a job and is considered homeless that is her sisters house she is 40 years old - homeless with a car ok … I asked if they took pictures and the officer said he would have to go to kentucky - She had took the car over the state border and hid it.

  Being a weekend the captain isnt availabe to talk to until monday who does the breatherlizer or drug test ? There were a number of crimes committed

  fraud by deception i assume would be an additional one for the fake car theft report. She should be in jail for the hit and run for sure and the DUI but she don’t get handcuffed she geta s pay out ticket. Yeah probably will lose her license for no insurance. Our insurance co. says they drive all the time without license so what.

  My daughter and I both missed work monday to get the car towed the rental car didnt come until 330 pm the claims adjuster will be meeting my daughter tomorrow at the dealership and how much more stress do you expect we will have to co thru.
  My daughter is hearing stories how cars never seem the same after they are fixed Her car was moved 2 parking places, spinned around the other direction. We have to assume there are screws and parts shifted and broken inside - it is not just the fenders bumpers doors that can be effected. Even if its total that means shopping and researching and probably be car payments again. Civil court seems like the thing to do but then its more aggervation and stress and time and money and it just makes a victim a victim time and time over again. In the big city I live in even paying $10 parking each time you go to the court house its making you into a victim over and over a revolving door.

  Does victim of crime help us ? I would really like to know !

  
  
  

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  Wonder

  Dec 11, 2007 at 10:52 pm -

  by the way the cop had no intentions of going to kentucky. He didnt even take photos of my daughters car. He says he don’t have a camera its the owner responsibility to take photos.

  Do you all carry a camera with you in your car … Our cars should have a video recorder in them !!!

  
  
  

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  Athena

  Dec 12, 2007 at 12:43 pm -

  Well, I carry a camera in my car after my first car accident. Some kids hit me, caused minor but expensive damage and then tried to get out of it. It worked out okay in the end, but pictures would have helped.

  Yes, often, civil courts provide little to no recourse. Unfortunately, life just screws people sometimes. However, it’s not the government’s responsibility to come in and fix things for you. They’ve set up systems to try and help protect their citizens and, for the most part, these systems work. But, sometimes, people slip through the cracks. When that happens, all we can do is be thankful the damage wasn’t worse and do what we must to move on.

  
  
  

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  thepooh5

  Dec 12, 2007 at 1:06 pm -

  I have to address the civil court thing and getting your money back - certainly you can go to civil court and you can get the moneys awarded to you. Now tell us how to actually collect the money. I had a judgement in my favor for $27,000 plus. Now the person could pay me in monthly payments or go to jail. Which do you think they chose $27,000 or 45 days. They pulled 45 days they are free and clear. I didn’t get one dime back and will never. There are no other legal avenues to persue.

  Another example - a person I know was convicted of manslaughter, vehicular homicide, whatever, for wrecking and killing a person in his car. He was ordered 120 days in jail, community service, restitution of medical bills, buriel, fines out the whoazoo, etc. The jist of it was, if he didn’t pay the money side of it (something like 150K to 175K he would go back to jail - even after serving the 120 days. He went and pulled 45 more days a total of 165 days for a human life - and he does not owe any medical bills or have to pay the family for the funeral. HE HAS SERVED HIS TIME!

  Bullshit, not only did the other family lose their son - they had to pay for the hospital and funeral and were cheated out of any other monetary awards given to them because the offender chose to “just go and serve his time”. That family is still screwed financially and will never have the child back. Victems get worse treatment than the offenders. DAMN DOUBLE DAMN!!

  
  
  

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  thepooh5

  Dec 12, 2007 at 1:07 pm -

  BTW - what is the deal with 45 days being the magic number? Just noticed both of them pulled 45 and all was right with their world. WTF - that is bullshit especially where there was an actual loss of life.

  
  
  

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  Rachel

  Dec 19, 2007 at 3:40 pm -

  Hate crimes (also known as bias motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her membership in a certain social group, usually defined by race, religion, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, nationality, age, gender, gender identity, or political affiliation.[1] Hate crimes differ from conventional crime because they are not directed simply at an individual, but are meant to cause fear and intimidation in an entire group or class of people.

  Hate crime can take many forms. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters

  History
  Concern about hate crimes has become increasingly prominent among policymakers in many nations and at all levels of government in recent years, but the phenomenon is not new. Examples from the past include Roman persecution of Christians, the Ottoman genocide of Armenians, and the Nazi “final solution” for the Jews, and more recently, the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and genocide in Rwanda. Hate crimes have shaped and sometimes defined world history. In the United States, racial and religious biases have inspired most hate crimes. As Europeans began to colonize the New World in the 16th and 17th centuries, Native Americans increasingly became the targets of bias-motivated intimidation and violence. During the past two centuries, some of the more typical examples of hate crimes in the US include lynchings of African Americans, cross burnings to drive black families from predominantly white neighborhoods, assaults on gay, lesbian and transgender people, and the painting of swastikas on Jewish synagogues.[3]

  Hate crime victims
  In the United States, anti-Black bias was the most frequently reported hate crime motivation. (African-Americans constitute the second-largest minority group; Hispanics are the largest).[4] Of the nearly 8,000 hate crimes reported to the FBI in 1995, almost 3,000 of them were motivated by bias against African Americans.[5] Other frequently reported bias motivations were anti-white, anti-Jewish, anti-gay, and anti-Hispanic.[5]

  Hate crime laws generally fall into one of several categories: (1) laws defining specific bias-motivated acts as distinct crimes; (2) criminal penalty-enhancement laws; (3) laws creating a distinct civil cause of action for hate crimes; and (4) laws requiring administrative agencies to collect hate crime statistics.[6] Sometimes (as in Bosnia and Herzegovina), the laws focus on war crimes, genocide, and crimes against humanity with the prohibition against discriminatory action limited to public officials

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Jan 2, 2008 at 4:52 pm -

  Lawyers: 2 Teens Innocent In Bus Beating
  http://wjz.com/local/sarah.kre.....13426.html

  Teen Charged In Bus Beating Presses Charges
  http://wjz.com/local/teen.beat.....20354.html

  So, nine teens were arrested. The lawyers for two are stating that their clients were on the bus, but not involved in the beating and therefore were wrongly placed under arrest.

  Another teen’s lawyer says that had complained that Andrea Kreager had assaulted her, and her complaints were not investigated by the police. So she’s filed a suit against Kreager.

  Does anyone know anything else about this case? The hearing is January 4th, I think I read.

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Feb 1, 2008 at 4:46 pm -

  Has anyone an update on this case? The students were put on home detention until a hearing that I believe was to be held on January 31. I can’t find anything yet on the outcome.

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Feb 1, 2008 at 5:07 pm -

  Here is the link and the entire article is below, too. Wasn’t much to it.

  http://www.examiner.com/a-1194.....ttack.html

  “Charges Dropped for Three of Nine Accused of Bus Attack”

  Feb 1, 2008 7:44 AM (8 hrs ago) AP
  BALTIMORE (Map, News) - Prosecutors in Baltimore say charges have been dropped for three of the nine middle school students accused of attacking a woman aboard a Maryland Transit bus.

  During a hearing Thursday, prosecutors said only six defendants remain charged in the Dec. 4 assault of 26-year-old Sarah Kreager, her boyfriend and the bus driver. The attack occurred aboard the No. 27 bus soon after classes dismissed for the day at Robert Poole Middle School.

  Kreager suffered two broken bones in her left eye socket.

  Defense attorneys are seeking to have the students’ statements to investigators suppressed. Another hearing is scheduled for Monday.

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Feb 5, 2008 at 12:44 pm -

  Charges were dropped against 2 or 3 of the 9 students accused. It depends on the article you read, but I think 3 is probably right. I haven’t found much else yet, but one of the fathers has hooked up with the “Uhuru Movement.”

  http://insidecharmcity.com/200.....the-mta-9/

  The Uhuru had their posters all over my area of Philadelphia. I had forgotten all about them.

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Feb 11, 2008 at 9:14 pm -

  The lawyers are arguing that none of the statements made by the teens should be used because the atmosphere at the police station was mean and coercive. This columnist says that none should be used because the kids couldn’t understand the vocabulary involved.

  http://www.baltimoresun.com/ne.....198.column

  
  
  

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  Hippiepoet

  Feb 11, 2008 at 10:22 pm -

  Spitting in the face versus broken facial bones. Damn, I’d take the face spitting. I’ve been spit in the face, I spit back. I didn’t think about busting up the persons face, just wanted to decorate it with a little spittle too. lol

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Mar 1, 2008 at 12:01 am -

  One of the six remaining defendants has pled “involved,” the equivalent of guilty in juvenile court, to charges of second-degree assault and conspiracy to commit first-degree assault. She has been sentenced to “community commitment” — home detention without an ankle monitoring bracelet — and to attend yet-to-be-determined programs recommended by the state’s Department of Juvenile Services. She admits she hit Kreager one time.

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23415028

  The attorney for Nakita M. has argued that there is “discriminatory prosecution” underway in the beating case. The case’s prosecuting attorney says this is untrue.

  http://www.examiner.com/a-1247....._case.html

  For a newstory that made headlines, it is very difficult to find any information on the adjudication.

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Mar 5, 2008 at 12:29 am -

  – Kreager recalls bus attack on the stand –
  http://www.examiner.com/a-1256.....stand.html

  According to Kreager’s testimony, Nakita M., the teen who said Kreager had attacked her, seems to have been the ring-leader.

  “A voice behind her — whom Kreager identified as defendant Nakita M., a 15-year-old girl — told her she “needed to move.”

  “When she didn’t, the threats began.

  “If she don’t move, we’ll move this [expletive],” Kreager said the 15-year-old girl said.

  “Now alarmed, Kreager stood up and walked to where Ennis was standing, but the girl followed her.

  “You white [expletive] think you own [expletive]. This is our bus,” the girl said, Kreager testified.

  “That’s when all hell broke loose, Kreager said, with Nakita M. grabbing her hair and punching her in the face — and Ennis jumping in front of her to block the attack from the students.”

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Mar 5, 2008 at 12:33 am -

  –Bus Attack Victim Testifies at Trial–

  http://www.abc2news.com/news/l.....0afed953a3

  A different report with more details. Defense lawyers are already developing some catchy slogans, such as “green does not mean guilty.”

  “Kreager said she never saw the face of the boy who later kicked
  her in the face because she was balled up in the gutter, trying to
  protect herself from the attack. She was certain, she said, that
  the youth was wearing a green jacket and butter-colored boots.

  “There’s no reliable ID; no photo ID,” defense attorney
  Margaret Desonier, who is representing the boy accused of kicking Kreager, said in her opening statement. “The state hangs its case (against my client) on the color of a generic jacket. ‘Green’ does not mean guilty.”

  
  
  

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  Angel

  Mar 5, 2008 at 12:43 am -

  A different report with more details. Defense lawyers are already developing some catchy slogans, such as “green does not mean guilty.”

  What a colorful crock of shit! What about the butter colored boots? “Butter does not mean ‘beat her’,” maybe?

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Mar 5, 2008 at 12:55 am -

  What a colorful crock of shit! What about the butter colored boots? “Butter does not mean ‘beat her’,” maybe?

  That’s pretty funny. I am willing to bet there were other people there who saw which teen had on the butter-colored boots and kicked a woman in the face. It’s not going to be the jacket or boots alone. The attorney is just trying to get a slogan set up in the jurors’ minds.

  Another article said that while the gutter-beating was going on, teens moved forward on the bus and were trying to get out its front doors. The boyfriend tried for a time to hold the doors shut, until Kreager called for him to stop it. It wasn’t clear what happened then, but overall it sounds like an ugly scene.

  The insult that Kreager says set Nakita off was that Ennis (Kreager’s boyfriend) said that Nakita’s manners were worse than those of their five-year-old daughter.

  It’s going to be interesting to read the defendant’s version, especially because Kreager has said that she can only identify Nakita M. with 100% certainty. The i.d.s of the rest will depend on other people’s testimony.

  
  
  

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  Angel

  Mar 5, 2008 at 1:03 am -

  Wow, Wry, I hope they have a long list of eyewitnesses to call…

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Mar 5, 2008 at 11:23 am -

  Wow, Wry, I hope they have a long list of eyewitnesses to call…

  Me, too. It seems we’ve gone back to the time when every “stagecoach” needs someone riding with a shotgun — but nowadays it would be to protect the passengers from each other.

  
  
  

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  Angel

  Mar 5, 2008 at 11:31 am -

  LOL, Wry, now THAT’S funny!

  
  
  

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  thepooh5

  Mar 5, 2008 at 12:28 pm -

  Good Lord, what a crock! How can they get by with such violence and nothing be done about it?

  Talk about fueling more hate crimes, both ways. The whites will be wanting to return the beating, since they let these guys walk. The blacks will think because a reverse hate crime is much harder to get a conviction on, that they can get by with it or with hardly any punishment, at all.

  Its a NO WIN NO WIN for all races. I have to go with a crime is a crime is a crime. The hate crime definition offered on up in the posts, was very informative to me, personally. I find it obvious that, by definition, this was a hate crime. The testimony of statements made point to wanting, to intimidate any other whites, from riding “their bus” and that equals hate crime , by the definition.

  Now, to the crime itself - If I beat down a woman for being any other color than myself, (which as stated before is purple with green dots), why is that worse than beating her down to steal her purse? In stealing her purse, I have assaulted her, as well as, stolen from her - two crimes. So, why is not liking her color and assaulting her because of it, not less of a crime than the robbery motive? Here there was only the law of assaulting someone broken, instead of assault and theft.

  That is why a crime is a crime is a crime - no matter the motivation, laws were still broken - people are still hurt. So, which is worse, one law broken or two laws broken? Does it matter? Hate Crime? Its a violent crime against another human, period.

  The point, deal with the laws broken, period. Who cares WHY? Like the baby killers or parent killers, I could give a fat rat’s ass less, WHY the POS killed a baby or molested it or why a family member could suddenly go off and kill everyone else in their family. I only care that they DID IT and should be punished.

  And if we’re gonna have hate crime legislation, why not have it for people who hate KIDS - no color there, just kids - our future.

  I swear, if I ever fill out another questionnaire or application, of any kind, where it has “race”, I’m going to check the “other” box and write in HUMAN on the line provided.

  
  
  

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  WryBread

  Mar 7, 2008 at 6:26 pm -

  I swear, if I ever fill out another questionnaire or application, of any kind, where it has “race”, I’m going to check the “other” box and write in HUMAN on the line provided.

  That’s a great idea!

  This isn’t being prosecuted as a hate crime. I don’t know why, considering what the one girl said. The victim, Sarah Kreager said that she thought race played a role in it, but that it escalated because of kids wanting to look cool in front of each other.

  
  
  

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