MESA, Ariz. — Tiffany Hecker, 19, states she thought she may have been pregant, but wasn’t sure. She found out when she gave birth to Jeremy Lee Davidson while on the toilet at her parents house. She took the baby out of the toilet, held it for a little while, then promptly placed the infant back in the toilet so she could release the placenta on top of it. She then took the boy back out of the toilet and placed it on some towels on the floor and told her mother. Her mother then told her to throw it in the trash. That’s right, she was told by her mother to throw the baby in the trash. Hecker did as she was instructed.
But Hecker stated that this wasn’t right and retrieved both the baby and the placenta, placed them in the trunk of the family car and drove to a Chandler hospital, where staff called police. An autopsy of the infant’s body determined Jeremy was born alive and had not died naturally; the baby’s death was ruled a homicide. Hecker was arrested Tuesday morning on suspicion of second-degree murder and child abuse. Bond has not been set.
Dunno what to think about this one. What she did was wrong, but she truly seems to have wanted to do the right thing but was just to scared, confused and misguided to figure out what the right thing was until it was too late.
4:45 pm on November 27th, 2007
Another winner of a “mother/grandmother” – if that was her advice to Tiffany – I can only imagine her childhood. Scary!!
I know we all are saying to ourselves – how in the hell do you think you “might be pregnant”? Oddly enough, I actually know a woman who did not know she was pregnant until she went into labor. Had I not known the family all of my life, I would say bullshit!
Me personally, I was sick the whole time and looked like a 55 gallon barrel – there was no question. Every human body is different, I guess.
5:00 pm on November 27th, 2007
For god’s sake! Has NO ONE heard of SAFE HAVEN!?!? Take that baby to a fire station or a hospital, no questions asked, no police called, just leave that baby ALIVE there and it will be placed up for adoption!!!
5:00 pm on November 27th, 2007
I have to disagree Morbid, what normal person’s first reaction to that would be to put the baby in the toilet???? I wouldnt even do that to a baby animal, much less a human. Lock them both up, people like that just dont deserve to live. Ugh, how sick can you be. What an ugly, fatass bitch.
On a side note, after I had my son, I got pregnant 3 months later and did not know it until I was almost 5 months along. I lost the baby 2 weeks after finding out. Anyway, I can see how if you are fat and obese like this chick, your belly getting bigger might be something you’re used to and not likely to trigger any pregancy warning.
5:05 pm on November 27th, 2007
I never stated she was normal, I was just saying that if she didn’t know she was pregnant, or at the very least, giving birth…she could have stuck that baby in the trash and we would not be talking about it right now. She at least attempted to rectify the situation in a human manner, but it was just too late. But as I pointed out, look at her mother’s advice. Now remember she was raised by this woman.
Should she be charged with murdering the baby? Sure. The fact that she was showing signs of remorse BEFORE she was charged, and even attempted to save the baby should also be taken into account as well.
5:18 pm on November 27th, 2007
Does this young woman suffer from mental illness (well hell she has too), I was just wondering if the parents were controlling sick fucks, that knew she was pregnant, only too late, and “helped” right along with killing the baby? Just a thought.
5:27 pm on November 27th, 2007
The baby had to have cried or something if it was born alive. Did it struggle for breath when she put it BACK IN THE TOILET and then expelled the placenta on top of it? How could you witness that?
Ok, I can chalk this up to immaturity, no experience, fear and plain out stupidity. But Morbid, she took the baby to the hospital IN THE TRUNK. DA-YUM! She could of at least let it ride in the back seat or something.
And her mom should be charged too. What a bitch.
5:29 pm on November 27th, 2007
True again, Morbid. I don’t believe she is guiltless, at this point. And given the “grandmother’s advice” – is there the possibility that there are some mental issues with Tiffany – perhaps she was doing all she knew.
I guess I just want to know a little more about Tiffany before totally bashing her. The grandmother is fair game and gets nothing but my disgust and anger. In Morbid’s original post, by the wording, I get the hint of: she did not have a clue what was happening to her – yes strange, but not impossible. Possibly, she had never done anything other than what her mother said – out of fear or maybe mental issues, caused by her winner of a mother.
I guess because she retrieved the placentra – I wander did she have a clue? I think that most of us would have just grabbed the baby and ran to the hospital – why did she think she needed to retrieve the placentra – even earlier she laid the “baby back in the toilet to release the placentra on top of it”…..Did she think she needed it for the baby to survive? It just seems her mind was not working like it should in those regards if nothing else – makes me wander just how much she did know. Did she even know what the placentra was or did she think another baby was coming?
5:37 pm on November 27th, 2007
Again, by the wording, I believe that she drove the baby to the hospital, so she had moderate intelligence – she passed a driver’s exam. But still, I can’t help but believe she did not know exactly what was happening – and did that bitch of a mother go with her to the hospital – she may not have let the baby in the car with them? After all it was her idea to throw it in the trash. DAMN DOUBLE DAMN!
And, I must point out by her picture, she looks as if she is about to break out into tears – more than I can say about any other POS mother who has allowed her child to be murdered or participated in the murder themselves that are posted here or on any other web sites. I believe she didn’t figure it out until it was too late. Not an excuse but should definitly be considered.
5:56 pm on November 27th, 2007
the part that messed me up the most is
“She took the baby out of the toilet, held it for a little while”
She held him? and who named him?
one more log to throw on the fire, who is the baby daddy?
9:24 pm on November 27th, 2007
Thought she *might* be pregnant, but wasn’t sure? Shit, how hard is it to shoplift a home pregnancy test?
9:11 am on November 28th, 2007
Ok, folks, a newborn baby does NOT cry at birth until it is stimulated to do so. The Doctor will clear the mucous from the airways so the little tyke can breathe, but if this is not done within a couple of minutes or so the baby dies from lack of oxygen. Thus the ruling that the baby was born alive. The boy died because no one cleared his airway for him to breathe. I’m sure that at 19, and not even being sure if she WAS actually pregnant, the mother would have had no knowledge of this whatsoever. Perhaps she thought the baby was stillborn since he came out blue.
I want to know why the girl’s mother isn’t behind bars with her!
9:36 am on November 28th, 2007
This trash should spare us all and kill herself.
9:39 am on November 28th, 2007
I’m with Morbid on this, Just look at the mother who raised her. If the bitch thought that little of her grandchild that had just been born what did she think of her own daughter? Yes what she did was really wrong and should be punished for it but I bet there was a fight with her mom to get that baby to hospital. This is just nuts. I wonder if they will charge that mother?
9:41 am on November 28th, 2007
“Thought she *might* be pregnant, but wasn’t sure? Shit, how hard is it to shoplift a home pregnancy test?”
Not as easy as you might think. They put the little sensors on the INSIDE of the sealed box now. I recently had to make that very purchase at a Walmart here and it set off the alarm at the door. The little old lady “door greeter” proceeded to ask me if I was hoping to be pregnant or NOT. In front of all the people that were waiting to get out of the door behind me. WTF?
But yeah. she could have gone to the dollar store and bought a home pregnancy test. Or gone to the local planned parenthood and gotten one for free. chances are, with a mother like hers, she had no idea what personal responsibility was.
9:50 am on November 28th, 2007
god death watch, what a grand idea, every useless piece of shit human, just start popping themselves off. “The Idiot Self-Elimination Method”
Ooooo and are you referring to the child who birthed a child, or the idiot mother who told her to put the infant in the trash can?
Peace.
9:58 am on November 28th, 2007
You’re right Kathy, you can get a free preg test at the local Public Health Unit.
I still want to know what this girl’s mental capacity is. Does she indeed have a genuine mental deficit and was being abused by some overbearing, idiot mother? Or is she just a scared teen-ager who didn’t know what the hell to do? Maybe she was afraid of her parents. Grrr…with this situation, man I can’t help but look at this girl’s mother. Wishing I knew more of this story.
I do positively know one woman who was pregnant and did not realize until she went into labor. This lady had an erratic menstrual cycle and had some paralysis due to a prior back injury. She knew she was gaining weight, but because of the paralysis, did not “feel” the baby. This lady was also in her mid-thirties and her and her husband were elated at their surprise package. (a story with a happy ending)
10:35 am on November 28th, 2007
Hippie – I’m still waiting on the girl’s metallity, too. Like I posted before, this is the only one who has an ounce of remorse on her face – just look at her picture – look at the others men & women.
This girl looks like she is about to burst out into tears at any second – as she should given what just happened. She looks genuinely upset as compared to lets say….to Colleenbitch, in any of her pictures from the start to this point. Look at Riley’s mother.
While, we already know something was “not right” in her head – is she a monster like the others – WHO HAVE INTENTIONALLY COMMITED THOSE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE ACTS AGAINST THE CHILDREN IN THEIR SORRY LIVES? I’m not saying she is guiltless, but possibly, there are extenuating circumstances.
11:54 am on November 28th, 2007
Here is the family’s side of the story.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22002910/
Apparently, the mother called a family doctor who told them to dispose of the baby assuming it was a miscarraige.
And this happened 11 months ago. I thought it was recent.
12:07 pm on November 28th, 2007
That’s a crock of crap. No missed periods? No morning sickness? No baby kicking? No swollen belly? Etc.
The more I look at Tiffany she reminds me of the projectile vomiter from The Exorcist. Pure evil.
3:00 pm on November 28th, 2007
I just read the link Kathy, this is just a crock of shit. What are they, a bunch of fucking idiots? Even a dead pet you fucking bury. This family thought it ok to dispose of the baby like this? I cannot imagine a physician telling them to put it in the trash, that is nasty. Did that reaaaally happen? In the state of Missouri, even small pieces of tissue cannot be put in the dump, it is fucking incinerated. That just sounds wrong. If it is true, then the physician is as much at fault. I cannot imagine giving that advice to a patient. *goes and beats head on wall”
3:11 pm on November 28th, 2007
One in about 2,455 births are the result of someone not even knowing they were pregnant. It is more common for a woman to have a surprise birth than it is for a woman to give birth to triplets.
4:50 pm on November 28th, 2007
Maybe she was one of those new-age freaks who wanted that fancy “underwater delivery”?
I know, I shoulda gone to law school.
4:58 pm on November 28th, 2007
That defense may have been used had she not taken the baby out of the water, put it back in, and then squirted the afterbirth on top of it.
5:47 pm on November 28th, 2007
Good point Hippie – they have special container for “sharps” because of bodily fluids – I don’t believe any doc told them that. Just a cover for the sorry mother’s advice and apparently dad, and grandparents – WTF.
Still hoping mom was mental and not malicious! So far, sounds like Tiffany, had some of those “great parents” we have been reading about. I really don’t think she had a clue about the pregnancy and what to do. And, as horrid as it is, she did try to do the right thing – too late – but did try, even against dumbass mom’s instructions.
This is the first case I have seen on here, in which I think the parent could actually be rehabilitated or serve time and not be a repeat offender. I truly believe she could pay for her mistakes and live a productive life afterwards. I do not see the “meanness” in her – only the “lights in the deer’s eyes” look and remorse. I pray I am right – which does not happen very often.
6:02 pm on November 28th, 2007
I’m almost thinking sheer ignorance on the girls part and a mother that was bad. If she was uneducated about pregnancy and add to that the trauma and blood loss after giving birth, well, who knows. I’ve seen so many stupid parents that anything is possible.
8:38 am on November 29th, 2007
UPDATE: The baby killer has been released on her OWN RECOGNIZANCE. She gets to wear one of those cute little ankle braclets and get this, must attend alcohol and drug programs. Yes, her photo looks like she is scared, but wouldn’t you IF 11 months after the fact you were arrested. She thought she got away with it.
Question for mothers out there, what mother who was just told her daughter had a baby in the bathroom would not go into the bathroom to see what her daughter was talking about?? Check out her myspace that reads, Love kids. But not for me. Guess she made sure of that didn’t she.
She should have gotten her facts straight before she gave statement to the police. A stillborn never takes a breath. A newborn does. This baby took a breath according to her statement, so saying it was stillborn cannot apply here.
1:29 pm on November 29th, 2007
First of all I grew up with this woman. I know her family well. We were best friends who had sleep overs and went to school together. I know her mother and I know their relationship. Her mother is not abusive, mentally insane, or a bitch in any sense. Her mother is caring and good to Tiffany. I honestly don’t know what happened because me and Tiffany lost touch. I was in shock when I found out. It hit so close to home for me. But I grew up with her and I don’t believe what the media has put out there. I support her and I feel bad for her. It hurts me to see what all of you have to say about her…..I truely believe that she was scared, didn’t know what the hell to do or what the hell was going on. She tried to do the right thing. She is not a bad person you guys!
1:49 pm on November 29th, 2007
psychosquirrels, I think that a lot of people just have a hard time believing that anyone could be so…dumb? Ignorant?
Not me. Nothing surprises me, especially when it comes to the intelligence levels of other human beings…or lack thereof. That is why I agree with you about Tiffany. I DO believe that she did not intend to kill the baby, but was just to confused, scared, dumb, etc, to do the right thing at the right time.
I am more interested in the family doctor at this point, and what he actually told the family to do.
2:15 pm on November 29th, 2007
I just hate to see her suffer from all the bullshit media. This is the town she grew up in and now people are drivng past her house being nosy. Calling her old work number saying “baby killer” and what not. People are posting comments all over the place, judging her. Looking at some old myspace page she made a year ago getting into all of her business. It discust me. I know Tiffany and I know she would never intentionally do something so horrible. I’ve seen pictures on her recent myspace page of her and her mother together, happy…. I’ve seen pictures of the baby’s funeral. And her recent page say’s that she is a proud parent. I know she cares and she isn’t evil or a bad person. I wish all of you wouldn’t judge.
2:22 pm on November 29th, 2007
I wish that I could shit lollipops, but that’s just the way the world works…lollipops..why did I go there? I could have said money..but I picked lollipops…where’s that therapist’s number?
Anyway, it’s a case of a young girl possibly drowning her newborn in a toilet. She has been arrested for it. I am unsure how you expect people to look at her. I don’t think anyone has said much aside from some obvious questions anyone would ask. No one has stated that she ate the baby, or that she took the corpse and walked around the house wearing it like a hat.
People are curious as to how a young girl could not know she is pregnant, put the infant in the toilet, put the infant in the trash, have a parent think it is ok to put an infants body (dead or alive) int he trash, etc, etc. These are things they are known to have done, and that is what they are being judged on.
2:26 pm on November 29th, 2007
Yeah, she’s the nicest person in the world. She just needs her lid peeled back so the docs can see why she’s so screwed.
2:27 pm on November 29th, 2007
“And her recent page say’s that she is a proud parent”
She threw him in the TRASH! And then put him in the TRUNK! that sounds like a TOTALLY normal parent to me!
maybe we are being a little harsh (i dont really think so) but i agree its HARD to believe that anyone could be that Ignorant…
2:27 pm on November 29th, 2007
pyschosquirrels – two questions – 1)who’s recent page, Tiffany’s? is she the proud parent? 2) did she have some sort of mental defect or issue that you know of, that would keep her from knowing she was pregnant or why she thought she needed to take the placentra with her to the hospital?
And, tell us more about the mom – and their home life. We are just trying to understand how this could happen. I understand you said you lost touch and did not know what was going on when this happened – but what do you remember and how long ago since you guys were in touch?
And, so far I am olny bashing Tiffany’s mother for her shitty advice. What are the laws where you guys are from regarding bodily fluids and proper disposal – looking into the supposed doc’s statement.
Thanks, for the info and welcome to the discussion!
2:29 pm on November 29th, 2007
“I wish that I could shit lollipops”
OUCH!!!! that made my butthole clench just thinking about it! HAHAAA
you are a sick, sick man!
2:35 pm on November 29th, 2007
aspartame – I hope you got that drink swallowed before reading the “lollipop” comment – LOL. Oh, I forgot you said the wet wipes worked. *(mental note to self: pick up wet wipes before reading Morbid’s posts)*
that’s two “sex with a drawer full of fork” and “shit lollipops” Morbid you are too funny. Thanks for the laughs in all the tragedy!!!!…….still LMAO
2:40 pm on November 29th, 2007
hahaa yes i did just like you said, swallowed, gently placed my drink down on a non slippery surface, took a deep breath and then read the post! hHAAA
my saying has been “shit a chicken” but now im gonna have to change it to “shit a lolly pop” HAHA
Morbid you are loved nationwide!
3:03 pm on November 29th, 2007
I wonder what took the cops 11 months to decide to FINALLY do something about this?
3:04 pm on November 29th, 2007
LOL – my personal has been “what do you want me to do, shit a miracle?” – with the crowd of people I know – it may not be wise to go to the lollipop statement – they would want to see it happen — lol
3:08 pm on November 29th, 2007
my personal favorite is well fuck a duck. But would that make me guilty of bestiality? Am I gonna have a page on here for being a duck molester? lmao. But seriously this is my new favorite site, the only place I go these days besides emails. But now I must head to work. Dont let anything too exciting happen while I am gone. On second thought…..do…..then I can read the juicy details tonight. lol
3:13 pm on November 29th, 2007
haha fuck a duck!
for a long time after seeing the movie burglar with whoppi goldberg, when she was looking at the clothes in the closet she said “oh what is this (all disgusted), this is terrible, i would not watch ducks fuck in this” so it was always “i would not watch ducks fuck in this ______!” and when i saw this movie i was in 7th grade, at my friends slumber party. my parents were THRILLED!
3:13 pm on November 29th, 2007
bexter – well did you actually lay it to the duck? we have to get the facts before we label you – lmao, with you.
Morbid would that fall under beastiality or fowliality? LOL!
3:18 pm on November 29th, 2007
it was not laying the duck it was making love to it.
*gag*
3:28 pm on November 29th, 2007
Oh – sorry – bexter, did you actually make love to the duck? LOL
3:33 pm on November 29th, 2007
I really feel you are being mean to ducks. DO you KNOW this duck? How can you people talk about this duck? It’s unfair and mean. It’s a good duck from a good duck family! I wish people would just leave this duck alone, don’t you think it’s been through enough!?!?
3:40 pm on November 29th, 2007
JUSTAMOM2 LMAO – you are such a pleasure to post with. Your sense of humor is terrific. But mostly, I really like you for all the info you have shared with us about CASA. Keep plenty of both coming!!
3:41 pm on November 29th, 2007
HAHAAAA!!!
poor duck! does anyone have the link to the ducks myspace?
3:42 pm on November 29th, 2007
the duck took it down because it was getting too many nasty messages!
3:43 pm on November 29th, 2007
thepooh5 what a nice thing to say! Thank you! I really enjoy this site because it can be serious and we can have fun too.
3:46 pm on November 29th, 2007
OMFG! that is so funny!
people can be so mean! i never said anything nasty about the duck, just that i wanted to watch! HAHAA
i know i need help! HA
3:47 pm on November 29th, 2007
By the way morbid, the lollipop guild called, they want their lollipops back!
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