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Riley Sawyers = Baby Grace

November 25, 2007 at 11:17 pm by  

Mom admitted that herself and her husband beat the girl, held her head underwater and threw her against a wall, causing her head to slam onto the tile floor.

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Riley Sawyers, a 2-year-old missing from Spring, Ohio, is Baby Grace, according to officials. Riley’s mother, Kimberly Trenor, and her new husband, Royce Zeigler, are both in Galveston County Jail, charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence. Both have bonds of $350,000. For those of you reading who are not aware of the case, “baby Grace” was the name given to an unidentified girl found dead in a storage container found in West Galveston Bay, Texas a month ago.

Riley was last seen when Kimberly took her to Texas to meet Royce, a man she met over the internet. Riley’s father and grandmother had not heard from Kimberly since and had been going through the legal process of getting visitation rights set up when they saw the report on Baby Grace and contacted authorities. Kimberly has stated to officials that Riley was taken from her by someone claiming to be an Ohio social worker.

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  • Pari

    Given the state of the “remains” I am so impressed by our investigators, the girl behind the artists impresion is pretty spot on. What an awful job this forensic artist had..BUT WOW…how spot on was this artist was to the victim.

    I just wanted to give my regards to the forensic artist who had the horrific burde to sketch a human form to this very very sad case.

    I cannot even imagine what the law enforcement and the witnesse have had to go thru in a case like this. I hope the fuckers are found and suffer the max and even worse. I am beyond disgust and rage…
    Poor little thing….

  • Pari

    Given the state of the “remains” I am so impressed by our investigators, the girl behind the artists impresion is pretty spot on. What an awful job this forensic artist had..BUT WOW…how spot on was this artist was to the victim.

    I just wanted to give my regards to the forensic artist who had the horrific burde to sketch a human form to this very very sad case.

    I cannot even imagine what the law enforcement and the witnesse have had to go thru in a case like this. I hope the fuckers are found and suffer the max and even worse. I am beyond disgust and rage…
    Poor little thing….

  • Pari

    Given the state of the “remains” I am so impressed by our investigators, the girl behind the artists impresion is pretty spot on. What an awful job this forensic artist had..BUT WOW…how spot on was this artist was to the victim.

    I just wanted to give my regards to the forensic artist who had the horrific burde to sketch a human form to this very very sad case.

    I cannot even imagine what the law enforcement and the witnesse have had to go thru in a case like this. I hope the fuckers are found and suffer the max and even worse. I am beyond disgust and rage…
    Poor little thing….

  • Pari

    Given the state of the “remains” I am so impressed by our investigators, the girl behind the artists impresion is pretty spot on. What an awful job this forensic artist had..BUT WOW…how spot on was this artist was to the victim.

    I just wanted to give my regards to the forensic artist who had the horrific burde to sketch a human form to this very very sad case.

    I cannot even imagine what the law enforcement and the witnesse have had to go thru in a case like this. I hope the fuckers are found and suffer the max and even worse. I am beyond disgust and rage…
    Poor little thing….

  • Pari

    Given the state of the “remains” I am so impressed by our investigators, the girl behind the artists impresion is pretty spot on. What an awful job this forensic artist had..BUT WOW…how spot on was this artist was to the victim.

    I just wanted to give my regards to the forensic artist who had the horrific burde to sketch a human form to this very very sad case.

    I cannot even imagine what the law enforcement and the witnesse have had to go thru in a case like this. I hope the fuckers are found and suffer the max and even worse. I am beyond disgust and rage…
    Poor little thing….

  • Pari

    Given the state of the “remains” I am so impressed by our investigators, the girl behind the artists impresion is pretty spot on. What an awful job this forensic artist had..BUT WOW…how spot on was this artist was to the victim.

    I just wanted to give my regards to the forensic artist who had the horrific burde to sketch a human form to this very very sad case.

    I cannot even imagine what the law enforcement and the witnesse have had to go thru in a case like this. I hope the fuckers are found and suffer the max and even worse. I am beyond disgust and rage…
    Poor little thing….

  • Pari

    Given the state of the “remains” I am so impressed by our investigators, the girl behind the artists impresion is pretty spot on. What an awful job this forensic artist had..BUT WOW…how spot on was this artist was to the victim.

    I just wanted to give my regards to the forensic artist who had the horrific burde to sketch a human form to this very very sad case.

    I cannot even imagine what the law enforcement and the witnesse have had to go thru in a case like this. \I hope the fuckers are found and suffer the max and even worse. I am beyond disgust and rage…
    Poor little thing….

  • janice

    this is a beautiful baby why in the world would anyone want to her someone so precious…OMG all of this sickens me to the very core of my being…i know I’m dealing with alot right now and sometimes it’s more than I can handle…but my heart goes out anyways

  • janice

    this is a beautiful baby why in the world would anyone want to her someone so precious…OMG all of this sickens me to the very core of my being…i know I’m dealing with alot right now and sometimes it’s more than I can handle…but my heart goes out anyways

  • janice

    this is a beautiful baby why in the world would anyone want to her someone so precious…OMG all of this sickens me to the very core of my being…i know I’m dealing with alot right now and sometimes it’s more than I can handle…but my heart goes out anyways

  • farmergurl62

    May you rest in peace baby grace To the family of riley ann and i mean her father and grandma not her worthless mom and step father ok there was no excuse for this this was and had to be just like i posted eariler they abused this child and then when she died though Oh! shit we have to hide the body well i just cant wait for the mother to try and talk her way out of this one and omfg did you all get a load of that bond that was set thats a fucking joke I have seen drug dealers have higher bonds I am just happy they finally found out who this baby is so at least her family can get some sort of closure

  • farmergurl62

    May you rest in peace baby grace To the family of riley ann and i mean her father and grandma not her worthless mom and step father ok there was no excuse for this this was and had to be just like i posted eariler they abused this child and then when she died though Oh! shit we have to hide the body well i just cant wait for the mother to try and talk her way out of this one and omfg did you all get a load of that bond that was set thats a fucking joke I have seen drug dealers have higher bonds I am just happy they finally found out who this baby is so at least her family can get some sort of closure

  • farmergurl62

    May you rest in peace baby grace To the family of riley ann and i mean her father and grandma not her worthless mom and step father ok there was no excuse for this this was and had to be just like i posted eariler they abused this child and then when she died though Oh! shit we have to hide the body well i just cant wait for the mother to try and talk her way out of this one and omfg did you all get a load of that bond that was set thats a fucking joke I have seen drug dealers have higher bonds I am just happy they finally found out who this baby is so at least her family can get some sort of closure

  • ells9824

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  • Kathy

    Looks like another “mother” in pursuit of penis at the expense of her child.
    Someone needs to introduce these dumb whores to the world of adult toys. A dildo won’t beat your child or get you pregnant with another one that you can’t take care of.

  • Kathy

    Looks like another “mother” in pursuit of penis at the expense of her child.
    Someone needs to introduce these dumb whores to the world of adult toys. A dildo won’t beat your child or get you pregnant with another one that you can’t take care of.

  • Kathy

    Looks like another “mother” in pursuit of penis at the expense of her child.
    Someone needs to introduce these dumb whores to the world of adult toys. A dildo won’t beat your child or get you pregnant with another one that you can’t take care of.

  • angelica379

    I found this article updated at 8:03am, where I live it is 6:45am
    http://www.wlwt.com/news/14691522/detail.html

  • angelica379

    I found this article updated at 8:03am, where I live it is 6:45am
    http://www.wlwt.com/news/14691522/detail.html

  • angelica379

    I found this article updated at 8:03am, where I live it is 6:45am
    http://www.wlwt.com/news/14691522/detail.html

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is the link to the Galveston News site.

    http://galvestondailynews.com/

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is the link to the Galveston News site.

    http://galvestondailynews.com/

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is the link to the Galveston News site.

    http://galvestondailynews.com/

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is the link to the Galveston News site.

    http://galvestondailynews.com/

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is the link to the Galveston News site.

    http://galvestondailynews.com/

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is the link to the Galveston News site.

    http://galvestondailynews.com/

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • stuman93

    I just watched the news conference on FOX News.

    Please make sure to pray for peace for Baby Riley Ann and for her family in Ohio as they have to deal with this horrible ordeal.

  • thepooh5

    Another sorry excuse for a “mother”! The endless search for a dick!!!

  • thepooh5

    Another sorry excuse for a “mother”! The endless search for a dick!!!

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ swivel

    As much as this case sickens me, Kathy still had me laughing out loud with her brilliant post (5).

    Our genetic urge to reproduce gets us into so much trouble. As does our penchant for cute, young things. I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.

    Sad.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ swivel

    As much as this case sickens me, Kathy still had me laughing out loud with her brilliant post (5).

    Our genetic urge to reproduce gets us into so much trouble. As does our penchant for cute, young things. I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.

    Sad.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ swivel

    As much as this case sickens me, Kathy still had me laughing out loud with her brilliant post (5).

    Our genetic urge to reproduce gets us into so much trouble. As does our penchant for cute, young things. I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.

    Sad.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ swivel

    As much as this case sickens me, Kathy still had me laughing out loud with her brilliant post (5).

    Our genetic urge to reproduce gets us into so much trouble. As does our penchant for cute, young things. I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.

    Sad.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com/ swivel

    As much as this case sickens me, Kathy still had me laughing out loud with her brilliant post (5).

    Our genetic urge to reproduce gets us into so much trouble. As does our penchant for cute, young things. I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.

    Sad.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com swivel

    As much as this case sickens me, Kathy still had me laughing out loud with her brilliant post (5).

    Our genetic urge to reproduce gets us into so much trouble. As does our penchant for cute, young things. I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.

    Sad.

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Gram Oreo

    Does anyone have any mug shots of the mother and step-father to post a link to?

  • Kathy
  • Kathy
  • Kathy
  • Kathy
  • Kathy
  • Kathy
  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, Kathy.

  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, Kathy.

  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, Kathy.

  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, Kathy.

  • miss_sixty

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5785684

    i have been following this discussion and wanting to post and have finally got around to it. the above link is breaking news on how little Riley died. some people just dont deserve to be parents. she was such a beautiful little girl.

    RIP Riley.

  • miss_sixty

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5785684

    i have been following this discussion and wanting to post and have finally got around to it. the above link is breaking news on how little Riley died. some people just dont deserve to be parents. she was such a beautiful little girl.

    RIP Riley.

  • miss_sixty

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5785684

    i have been following this discussion and wanting to post and have finally got around to it. the above link is breaking news on how little Riley died. some people just dont deserve to be parents. she was such a beautiful little girl.

    RIP Riley.

  • miss_sixty

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5785684

    i have been following this discussion and wanting to post and have finally got around to it. the above link is breaking news on how little Riley died. some people just dont deserve to be parents. she was such a beautiful little girl.

    RIP Riley.

  • miss_sixty

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5785684

    i have been following this discussion and wanting to post and have finally got around to it. the above link is breaking news on how little Riley died. some people just dont deserve to be parents. she was such a beautiful little girl.

    RIP Riley.

  • miss_sixty

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5785684

    i have been following this discussion and wanting to post and have finally got around to it. the above link is breaking news on how little Riley died. some people just dont deserve to be parents. she was such a beautiful little girl.

    RIP Riley.

  • miss_sixty

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5785684

    i have been following this discussion and wanting to post and have finally got around to it. the above link is breaking news on how little Riley died. some people just dont deserve to be parents. she was such a beautiful little girl.

    RIP Riley.

  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, miss_sixty for the link.

    Not ONE…..but TWO losers(that is putting it mildly, as in my mind I have several other words that would best describe both of them, however, do not think I should put them on a public forum – everyone else can (insert) their own views of these two)……attempting to kill that little girl.

    I wonder if they even went and attended the service they held for her on the island.

  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, miss_sixty for the link.

    Not ONE…..but TWO losers(that is putting it mildly, as in my mind I have several other words that would best describe both of them, however, do not think I should put them on a public forum – everyone else can (insert) their own views of these two)……attempting to kill that little girl.

    I wonder if they even went and attended the service they held for her on the island.

  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, miss_sixty for the link.

    Not ONE…..but TWO losers(that is putting it mildly, as in my mind I have several other words that would best describe both of them, however, do not think I should put them on a public forum – everyone else can (insert) their own views of these two)……attempting to kill that little girl.

    I wonder if they even went and attended the service they held for her on the island.

  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, miss_sixty for the link.

    Not ONE…..but TWO losers(that is putting it mildly, as in my mind I have several other words that would best describe both of them, however, do not think I should put them on a public forum – everyone else can (insert) their own views of these two)……attempting to kill that little girl.

    I wonder if they even went and attended the service they held for her on the island.

  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, miss_sixty for the link.

    Not ONE…..but TWO losers(that is putting it mildly, as in my mind I have several other words that would best describe both of them, however, do not think I should put them on a public forum – everyone else can (insert) their own views of these two)……attempting to kill that little girl.

    I wonder if they even went and attended the service they held for her on the island.

  • Gram Oreo

    Thank you, miss_sixty for the link.

    Not ONE…..but TWO losers(that is putting it mildly, as in my mind I have several other words that would best describe both of them, however, do not think I should put them on a public forum – everyone else can (insert) their own views of these two)……attempting to kill that little girl.

    I wonder if they even went and attended the service they held for her on the island.

  • miss_sixty

    “I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.” [from post #10]

    is that actually the case though? seems like an assumption to me. Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.

    anyway – not really on the topic…

  • miss_sixty

    “I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.” [from post #10]

    is that actually the case though? seems like an assumption to me. Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.

    anyway – not really on the topic…

  • miss_sixty

    “I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.” [from post #10]

    is that actually the case though? seems like an assumption to me. Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.

    anyway – not really on the topic…

  • miss_sixty

    “I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.” [from post #10]

    is that actually the case though? seems like an assumption to me. Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.

    anyway – not really on the topic…

  • miss_sixty

    “I find it sad that the beauty of this child is why people react so strongly. If this were an ugly black kid, most people would just shrug.” [from post #10]

    is that actually the case though? seems like an assumption to me. Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.

    anyway – not really on the topic…

  • Gram Oreo

    Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.

  • Gram Oreo

    Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.

  • Gram Oreo

    Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.

  • Gram Oreo

    Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.

  • Gram Oreo

    Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.

  • Gram Oreo

    Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.

  • Gram Oreo

    Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.

  • Gram Oreo

    Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.

  • Gram Oreo

    Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.

  • Kathy

    “Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.”

    Who??? Seriously. Why haven’t they found them? Maybe not as much manpower on their cases?

    “Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.”

    If you were REALLY to look at the statistics you would see that there is a difference in the sentencing for the murders of minority children and the sentencing for white children. The media pays almost no attention to missing black and hispanic children. Look out there. Look at all the latina females on the missing childrens lists. Have you EVER heard of any of them? Chances are you have heard of some of the white ones.

    The point is. Would we even know about Riley smith if she were not blond and blue eyed? Maybe, but not on a national level.

  • Kathy

    “Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.”

    Who??? Seriously. Why haven’t they found them? Maybe not as much manpower on their cases?

    “Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.”

    If you were REALLY to look at the statistics you would see that there is a difference in the sentencing for the murders of minority children and the sentencing for white children. The media pays almost no attention to missing black and hispanic children. Look out there. Look at all the latina females on the missing childrens lists. Have you EVER heard of any of them? Chances are you have heard of some of the white ones.

    The point is. Would we even know about Riley smith if she were not blond and blue eyed? Maybe, but not on a national level.

  • Kathy

    “Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.”

    Who??? Seriously. Why haven’t they found them? Maybe not as much manpower on their cases?

    “Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.”

    If you were REALLY to look at the statistics you would see that there is a difference in the sentencing for the murders of minority children and the sentencing for white children. The media pays almost no attention to missing black and hispanic children. Look out there. Look at all the latina females on the missing childrens lists. Have you EVER heard of any of them? Chances are you have heard of some of the white ones.

    The point is. Would we even know about Riley smith if she were not blond and blue eyed? Maybe, but not on a national level.

  • Kathy

    “Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.”

    Who??? Seriously. Why haven’t they found them? Maybe not as much manpower on their cases?

    “Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.”

    If you were REALLY to look at the statistics you would see that there is a difference in the sentencing for the murders of minority children and the sentencing for white children. The media pays almost no attention to missing black and hispanic children. Look out there. Look at all the latina females on the missing childrens lists. Have you EVER heard of any of them? Chances are you have heard of some of the white ones.

    The point is. Would we even know about Riley smith if she were not blond and blue eyed? Maybe, but not on a national level.

  • Kathy

    “Diamond and Tionda Bradley were (admittedly cute) little black kids that went missing and there is still plenty of info on them, years after they disappeared.”

    Who??? Seriously. Why haven’t they found them? Maybe not as much manpower on their cases?

    “Children are innocent. Whether they are black, white, Chinese, etc…makes no difference when they are mistreated and abused by losers.

    The guilty party pays.”

    If you were REALLY to look at the statistics you would see that there is a difference in the sentencing for the murders of minority children and the sentencing for white children. The media pays almost no attention to missing black and hispanic children. Look out there. Look at all the latina females on the missing childrens lists. Have you EVER heard of any of them? Chances are you have heard of some of the white ones.

    The point is. Would we even know about Riley smith if she were not blond and blue eyed? Maybe, but not on a national level.

  • Unamused

    Why is it that a child killer is usually an ugly fat fuck?

  • Unamused

    Why is it that a child killer is usually an ugly fat fuck?

  • Unamused

    Why is it that a child killer is usually an ugly fat fuck?

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Gram Oreo

    Maybe cause she was jealous of her beautiful daughter.

  • Tux Princess

    Found this story on Yahoo! and thought I would share. Most of it you probably already know…

    By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer
    33 minutes ago

    GALVESTON, Texas – A woman believed to be the mother of a 2-year-old whose body was found in Galveston Bay told police she and the girl’s stepfather beat and tortured the child to death, court documents show.

    The details in an arrest affidavit paint a chilling picture of the last days of the girl investigators called “Baby Grace” as they worked for weeks to learn her identity.

    Investigators are awaiting DNA test results but said Monday they are “fairly confident” that the body a fisherman found in a plastic box Oct. 29 is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Her mother, Kimberly Dawn Trenor, and stepfather, Royce Clyde Zeigler II, were arrested early Saturday and are in custody on charges of hurting the girl.

    “It was a few weeks ago I held up this little shoe and asked, ‘Who is Baby Grace? Who does this belong to?’” sheriff’s Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said at a news conference. “We’re now fairly confident we know the answer to that.”

    Zeigler attempted suicide last week and wrote a note saying, “My wife is innocent of the sins that I committed,” according to the court documents, which were filed Saturday and first reported Monday by Houston television station KTRK.

    An autopsy revealed that Riley suffered three skull fractures, but the cause of death has not been determined.

    In a statement to police included in the affidavit, Trenor, 19, said she and Zeigler, 24, killed Riley July 24.

    The girl was beaten with leather belts, had her head held underwater in a bathtub and then was thrown across a room, her head slamming into a tile floor, Trenor said in the document. She said they kept the body in a storage shed for one to two months before they put it in a plastic bin and dumped it into Galveston Bay.

    Trenor said in the document that after her daughter was killed, Zeigler had her forge a document that the Ohio Department of Children’s Services had taken Riley away because of allegations of sexual abuse.

    Tuttoilmondo said Trenor had told relatives that someone claiming to be a social worker from Ohio, where Riley’s father lives, took the girl in July.

    Trenor’s attorney, Tom Stickler, said she has cooperated with authorities. He declined to comment about her statement to investigators.

    “But from what she said, there is no doubt that the girl found is Riley Sawyers,” Stickler said.

    Trenor and Zeigler were charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence, Tuttoilmondo said. Bail was set at $350,000 each. The couple’s next court appearance was expected to be scheduled on Tuesday.

    Wendell Odom, Zeigler’s attorney, declined to comment on the case except to say Zeigler grew up in Spring, about 75 miles north of Galveston, and works as an instrument technician in the oil industry.

    Trenor and Zeigler met a couple of years ago playing an online game, World of Warcraft, and she moved with her daughter from suburban Cleveland to Spring in June, Stickler said.

    Riley’s paternal grandmother, Sheryl Sawyers, hadn’t seen her granddaughter in months when she saw a police sketch of “Baby Grace.” Thinking it might be Riley, she called authorities in Texas.

    In Mentor, Ohio, on Monday, Sawyers wiped away tears at a news conference and held up the Elmo doll she had already bought Riley for Christmas.

    “It’s hard to think that I’ll never see her again,” she said.

    The Sawyers family’s attorney, Laura DePledge, said they take comfort in knowing that the girl is “resting peacefully and is no longer subject to abuse.”

    DePledge said Trenor and Sawyers’ son, Robert Sawyers, also of Mentor, had been high school sweethearts. Sheryl Sawyers said she has not seen Riley since the girl and Trenor moved to Texas.

    Robert Sawyers, who works in an auto-parts store, was never married to Trenor but lived with her and their daughter in his parents’ home for about two years. He and Trenor split up after March 31, when he was charged with domestic violence against her.

    DePledge said there was insufficient evidence to support the charge, which was reduced to disorderly conduct. Robert Sawyers is now married and has a 3-month-old son.

    Riley “had a very big imagination for such a little girl,” he said of his daughter. “She could play with anything and have fun with it.”

    Tuttoilmondo said investigators became emotionally involved in determining the little girl’s identity.

    “Any way you look at it, we carry a piece of her with us and will always carry a little piece of her with us,” he said. “She’s still our little girl.”

  • Tux Princess

    Found this story on Yahoo! and thought I would share. Most of it you probably already know…

    By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer
    33 minutes ago

    GALVESTON, Texas – A woman believed to be the mother of a 2-year-old whose body was found in Galveston Bay told police she and the girl’s stepfather beat and tortured the child to death, court documents show.

    The details in an arrest affidavit paint a chilling picture of the last days of the girl investigators called “Baby Grace” as they worked for weeks to learn her identity.

    Investigators are awaiting DNA test results but said Monday they are “fairly confident” that the body a fisherman found in a plastic box Oct. 29 is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Her mother, Kimberly Dawn Trenor, and stepfather, Royce Clyde Zeigler II, were arrested early Saturday and are in custody on charges of hurting the girl.

    “It was a few weeks ago I held up this little shoe and asked, ‘Who is Baby Grace? Who does this belong to?’” sheriff’s Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said at a news conference. “We’re now fairly confident we know the answer to that.”

    Zeigler attempted suicide last week and wrote a note saying, “My wife is innocent of the sins that I committed,” according to the court documents, which were filed Saturday and first reported Monday by Houston television station KTRK.

    An autopsy revealed that Riley suffered three skull fractures, but the cause of death has not been determined.

    In a statement to police included in the affidavit, Trenor, 19, said she and Zeigler, 24, killed Riley July 24.

    The girl was beaten with leather belts, had her head held underwater in a bathtub and then was thrown across a room, her head slamming into a tile floor, Trenor said in the document. She said they kept the body in a storage shed for one to two months before they put it in a plastic bin and dumped it into Galveston Bay.

    Trenor said in the document that after her daughter was killed, Zeigler had her forge a document that the Ohio Department of Children’s Services had taken Riley away because of allegations of sexual abuse.

    Tuttoilmondo said Trenor had told relatives that someone claiming to be a social worker from Ohio, where Riley’s father lives, took the girl in July.

    Trenor’s attorney, Tom Stickler, said she has cooperated with authorities. He declined to comment about her statement to investigators.

    “But from what she said, there is no doubt that the girl found is Riley Sawyers,” Stickler said.

    Trenor and Zeigler were charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence, Tuttoilmondo said. Bail was set at $350,000 each. The couple’s next court appearance was expected to be scheduled on Tuesday.

    Wendell Odom, Zeigler’s attorney, declined to comment on the case except to say Zeigler grew up in Spring, about 75 miles north of Galveston, and works as an instrument technician in the oil industry.

    Trenor and Zeigler met a couple of years ago playing an online game, World of Warcraft, and she moved with her daughter from suburban Cleveland to Spring in June, Stickler said.

    Riley’s paternal grandmother, Sheryl Sawyers, hadn’t seen her granddaughter in months when she saw a police sketch of “Baby Grace.” Thinking it might be Riley, she called authorities in Texas.

    In Mentor, Ohio, on Monday, Sawyers wiped away tears at a news conference and held up the Elmo doll she had already bought Riley for Christmas.

    “It’s hard to think that I’ll never see her again,” she said.

    The Sawyers family’s attorney, Laura DePledge, said they take comfort in knowing that the girl is “resting peacefully and is no longer subject to abuse.”

    DePledge said Trenor and Sawyers’ son, Robert Sawyers, also of Mentor, had been high school sweethearts. Sheryl Sawyers said she has not seen Riley since the girl and Trenor moved to Texas.

    Robert Sawyers, who works in an auto-parts store, was never married to Trenor but lived with her and their daughter in his parents’ home for about two years. He and Trenor split up after March 31, when he was charged with domestic violence against her.

    DePledge said there was insufficient evidence to support the charge, which was reduced to disorderly conduct. Robert Sawyers is now married and has a 3-month-old son.

    Riley “had a very big imagination for such a little girl,” he said of his daughter. “She could play with anything and have fun with it.”

    Tuttoilmondo said investigators became emotionally involved in determining the little girl’s identity.

    “Any way you look at it, we carry a piece of her with us and will always carry a little piece of her with us,” he said. “She’s still our little girl.”

  • Tux Princess

    Found this story on Yahoo! and thought I would share. Most of it you probably already know…

    By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer
    33 minutes ago

    GALVESTON, Texas – A woman believed to be the mother of a 2-year-old whose body was found in Galveston Bay told police she and the girl’s stepfather beat and tortured the child to death, court documents show.

    The details in an arrest affidavit paint a chilling picture of the last days of the girl investigators called “Baby Grace” as they worked for weeks to learn her identity.

    Investigators are awaiting DNA test results but said Monday they are “fairly confident” that the body a fisherman found in a plastic box Oct. 29 is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Her mother, Kimberly Dawn Trenor, and stepfather, Royce Clyde Zeigler II, were arrested early Saturday and are in custody on charges of hurting the girl.

    “It was a few weeks ago I held up this little shoe and asked, ‘Who is Baby Grace? Who does this belong to?’” sheriff’s Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said at a news conference. “We’re now fairly confident we know the answer to that.”

    Zeigler attempted suicide last week and wrote a note saying, “My wife is innocent of the sins that I committed,” according to the court documents, which were filed Saturday and first reported Monday by Houston television station KTRK.

    An autopsy revealed that Riley suffered three skull fractures, but the cause of death has not been determined.

    In a statement to police included in the affidavit, Trenor, 19, said she and Zeigler, 24, killed Riley July 24.

    The girl was beaten with leather belts, had her head held underwater in a bathtub and then was thrown across a room, her head slamming into a tile floor, Trenor said in the document. She said they kept the body in a storage shed for one to two months before they put it in a plastic bin and dumped it into Galveston Bay.

    Trenor said in the document that after her daughter was killed, Zeigler had her forge a document that the Ohio Department of Children’s Services had taken Riley away because of allegations of sexual abuse.

    Tuttoilmondo said Trenor had told relatives that someone claiming to be a social worker from Ohio, where Riley’s father lives, took the girl in July.

    Trenor’s attorney, Tom Stickler, said she has cooperated with authorities. He declined to comment about her statement to investigators.

    “But from what she said, there is no doubt that the girl found is Riley Sawyers,” Stickler said.

    Trenor and Zeigler were charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence, Tuttoilmondo said. Bail was set at $350,000 each. The couple’s next court appearance was expected to be scheduled on Tuesday.

    Wendell Odom, Zeigler’s attorney, declined to comment on the case except to say Zeigler grew up in Spring, about 75 miles north of Galveston, and works as an instrument technician in the oil industry.

    Trenor and Zeigler met a couple of years ago playing an online game, World of Warcraft, and she moved with her daughter from suburban Cleveland to Spring in June, Stickler said.

    Riley’s paternal grandmother, Sheryl Sawyers, hadn’t seen her granddaughter in months when she saw a police sketch of “Baby Grace.” Thinking it might be Riley, she called authorities in Texas.

    In Mentor, Ohio, on Monday, Sawyers wiped away tears at a news conference and held up the Elmo doll she had already bought Riley for Christmas.

    “It’s hard to think that I’ll never see her again,” she said.

    The Sawyers family’s attorney, Laura DePledge, said they take comfort in knowing that the girl is “resting peacefully and is no longer subject to abuse.”

    DePledge said Trenor and Sawyers’ son, Robert Sawyers, also of Mentor, had been high school sweethearts. Sheryl Sawyers said she has not seen Riley since the girl and Trenor moved to Texas.

    Robert Sawyers, who works in an auto-parts store, was never married to Trenor but lived with her and their daughter in his parents’ home for about two years. He and Trenor split up after March 31, when he was charged with domestic violence against her.

    DePledge said there was insufficient evidence to support the charge, which was reduced to disorderly conduct. Robert Sawyers is now married and has a 3-month-old son.

    Riley “had a very big imagination for such a little girl,” he said of his daughter. “She could play with anything and have fun with it.”

    Tuttoilmondo said investigators became emotionally involved in determining the little girl’s identity.

    “Any way you look at it, we carry a piece of her with us and will always carry a little piece of her with us,” he said. “She’s still our little girl.”

  • Tux Princess

    Found this story on Yahoo! and thought I would share. Most of it you probably already know…

    By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer
    33 minutes ago

    GALVESTON, Texas – A woman believed to be the mother of a 2-year-old whose body was found in Galveston Bay told police she and the girl’s stepfather beat and tortured the child to death, court documents show.

    The details in an arrest affidavit paint a chilling picture of the last days of the girl investigators called “Baby Grace” as they worked for weeks to learn her identity.

    Investigators are awaiting DNA test results but said Monday they are “fairly confident” that the body a fisherman found in a plastic box Oct. 29 is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Her mother, Kimberly Dawn Trenor, and stepfather, Royce Clyde Zeigler II, were arrested early Saturday and are in custody on charges of hurting the girl.

    “It was a few weeks ago I held up this little shoe and asked, ‘Who is Baby Grace? Who does this belong to?’” sheriff’s Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said at a news conference. “We’re now fairly confident we know the answer to that.”

    Zeigler attempted suicide last week and wrote a note saying, “My wife is innocent of the sins that I committed,” according to the court documents, which were filed Saturday and first reported Monday by Houston television station KTRK.

    An autopsy revealed that Riley suffered three skull fractures, but the cause of death has not been determined.

    In a statement to police included in the affidavit, Trenor, 19, said she and Zeigler, 24, killed Riley July 24.

    The girl was beaten with leather belts, had her head held underwater in a bathtub and then was thrown across a room, her head slamming into a tile floor, Trenor said in the document. She said they kept the body in a storage shed for one to two months before they put it in a plastic bin and dumped it into Galveston Bay.

    Trenor said in the document that after her daughter was killed, Zeigler had her forge a document that the Ohio Department of Children’s Services had taken Riley away because of allegations of sexual abuse.

    Tuttoilmondo said Trenor had told relatives that someone claiming to be a social worker from Ohio, where Riley’s father lives, took the girl in July.

    Trenor’s attorney, Tom Stickler, said she has cooperated with authorities. He declined to comment about her statement to investigators.

    “But from what she said, there is no doubt that the girl found is Riley Sawyers,” Stickler said.

    Trenor and Zeigler were charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence, Tuttoilmondo said. Bail was set at $350,000 each. The couple’s next court appearance was expected to be scheduled on Tuesday.

    Wendell Odom, Zeigler’s attorney, declined to comment on the case except to say Zeigler grew up in Spring, about 75 miles north of Galveston, and works as an instrument technician in the oil industry.

    Trenor and Zeigler met a couple of years ago playing an online game, World of Warcraft, and she moved with her daughter from suburban Cleveland to Spring in June, Stickler said.

    Riley’s paternal grandmother, Sheryl Sawyers, hadn’t seen her granddaughter in months when she saw a police sketch of “Baby Grace.” Thinking it might be Riley, she called authorities in Texas.

    In Mentor, Ohio, on Monday, Sawyers wiped away tears at a news conference and held up the Elmo doll she had already bought Riley for Christmas.

    “It’s hard to think that I’ll never see her again,” she said.

    The Sawyers family’s attorney, Laura DePledge, said they take comfort in knowing that the girl is “resting peacefully and is no longer subject to abuse.”

    DePledge said Trenor and Sawyers’ son, Robert Sawyers, also of Mentor, had been high school sweethearts. Sheryl Sawyers said she has not seen Riley since the girl and Trenor moved to Texas.

    Robert Sawyers, who works in an auto-parts store, was never married to Trenor but lived with her and their daughter in his parents’ home for about two years. He and Trenor split up after March 31, when he was charged with domestic violence against her.

    DePledge said there was insufficient evidence to support the charge, which was reduced to disorderly conduct. Robert Sawyers is now married and has a 3-month-old son.

    Riley “had a very big imagination for such a little girl,” he said of his daughter. “She could play with anything and have fun with it.”

    Tuttoilmondo said investigators became emotionally involved in determining the little girl’s identity.

    “Any way you look at it, we carry a piece of her with us and will always carry a little piece of her with us,” he said. “She’s still our little girl.”

  • Tux Princess

    Found this story on Yahoo! and thought I would share. Most of it you probably already know…

    By JUAN A. LOZANO, Associated Press Writer
    33 minutes ago

    GALVESTON, Texas – A woman believed to be the mother of a 2-year-old whose body was found in Galveston Bay told police she and the girl’s stepfather beat and tortured the child to death, court documents show.

    The details in an arrest affidavit paint a chilling picture of the last days of the girl investigators called “Baby Grace” as they worked for weeks to learn her identity.

    Investigators are awaiting DNA test results but said Monday they are “fairly confident” that the body a fisherman found in a plastic box Oct. 29 is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Her mother, Kimberly Dawn Trenor, and stepfather, Royce Clyde Zeigler II, were arrested early Saturday and are in custody on charges of hurting the girl.

    “It was a few weeks ago I held up this little shoe and asked, ‘Who is Baby Grace? Who does this belong to?’” sheriff’s Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo said at a news conference. “We’re now fairly confident we know the answer to that.”

    Zeigler attempted suicide last week and wrote a note saying, “My wife is innocent of the sins that I committed,” according to the court documents, which were filed Saturday and first reported Monday by Houston television station KTRK.

    An autopsy revealed that Riley suffered three skull fractures, but the cause of death has not been determined.

    In a statement to police included in the affidavit, Trenor, 19, said she and Zeigler, 24, killed Riley July 24.

    The girl was beaten with leather belts, had her head held underwater in a bathtub and then was thrown across a room, her head slamming into a tile floor, Trenor said in the document. She said they kept the body in a storage shed for one to two months before they put it in a plastic bin and dumped it into Galveston Bay.

    Trenor said in the document that after her daughter was killed, Zeigler had her forge a document that the Ohio Department of Children’s Services had taken Riley away because of allegations of sexual abuse.

    Tuttoilmondo said Trenor had told relatives that someone claiming to be a social worker from Ohio, where Riley’s father lives, took the girl in July.

    Trenor’s attorney, Tom Stickler, said she has cooperated with authorities. He declined to comment about her statement to investigators.

    “But from what she said, there is no doubt that the girl found is Riley Sawyers,” Stickler said.

    Trenor and Zeigler were charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence, Tuttoilmondo said. Bail was set at $350,000 each. The couple’s next court appearance was expected to be scheduled on Tuesday.

    Wendell Odom, Zeigler’s attorney, declined to comment on the case except to say Zeigler grew up in Spring, about 75 miles north of Galveston, and works as an instrument technician in the oil industry.

    Trenor and Zeigler met a couple of years ago playing an online game, World of Warcraft, and she moved with her daughter from suburban Cleveland to Spring in June, Stickler said.

    Riley’s paternal grandmother, Sheryl Sawyers, hadn’t seen her granddaughter in months when she saw a police sketch of “Baby Grace.” Thinking it might be Riley, she called authorities in Texas.

    In Mentor, Ohio, on Monday, Sawyers wiped away tears at a news conference and held up the Elmo doll she had already bought Riley for Christmas.

    “It’s hard to think that I’ll never see her again,” she said.

    The Sawyers family’s attorney, Laura DePledge, said they take comfort in knowing that the girl is “resting peacefully and is no longer subject to abuse.”

    DePledge said Trenor and Sawyers’ son, Robert Sawyers, also of Mentor, had been high school sweethearts. Sheryl Sawyers said she has not seen Riley since the girl and Trenor moved to Texas.

    Robert Sawyers, who works in an auto-parts store, was never married to Trenor but lived with her and their daughter in his parents’ home for about two years. He and Trenor split up after March 31, when he was charged with domestic violence against her.

    DePledge said there was insufficient evidence to support the charge, which was reduced to disorderly conduct. Robert Sawyers is now married and has a 3-month-old son.

    Riley “had a very big imagination for such a little girl,” he said of his daughter. “She could play with anything and have fun with it.”

    Tuttoilmondo said investigators became emotionally involved in determining the little girl’s identity.

    “Any way you look at it, we carry a piece of her with us and will always carry a little piece of her with us,” he said. “She’s still our little girl.”

  • eyeforaneye

    What the hell are people thinking…..I cannot believe how people can so easily just abuse children….Actually wait I think maybe because they are all just a poor excuse for a human…a waste of skin..Pathetic…I think that my name says it all AN EYE FOR AN EYE they want to be sick bastards then they should be treated like sick bastards..I would have no problem making these people non existent I would do it with a smile across my face..not just in this case but all of them that I have heard……

  • eyeforaneye

    What the hell are people thinking…..I cannot believe how people can so easily just abuse children….Actually wait I think maybe because they are all just a poor excuse for a human…a waste of skin..Pathetic…I think that my name says it all AN EYE FOR AN EYE they want to be sick bastards then they should be treated like sick bastards..I would have no problem making these people non existent I would do it with a smile across my face..not just in this case but all of them that I have heard……

  • eyeforaneye

    What the hell are people thinking…..I cannot believe how people can so easily just abuse children….Actually wait I think maybe because they are all just a poor excuse for a human…a waste of skin..Pathetic…I think that my name says it all AN EYE FOR AN EYE they want to be sick bastards then they should be treated like sick bastards..I would have no problem making these people non existent I would do it with a smile across my face..not just in this case but all of them that I have heard……

  • eyeforaneye

    What the hell are people thinking…..I cannot believe how people can so easily just abuse children….Actually wait I think maybe because they are all just a poor excuse for a human…a waste of skin..Pathetic…I think that my name says it all AN EYE FOR AN EYE they want to be sick bastards then they should be treated like sick bastards..I would have no problem making these people non existent I would do it with a smile across my face..not just in this case but all of them that I have heard……

  • eyeforaneye

    What the hell are people thinking…..I cannot believe how people can so easily just abuse children….Actually wait I think maybe because they are all just a poor excuse for a human…a waste of skin..Pathetic…I think that my name says it all AN EYE FOR AN EYE they want to be sick bastards then they should be treated like sick bastards..I would have no problem making these people non existent I would do it with a smile across my face..not just in this case but all of them that I have heard……

  • eyeforaneye

    What the hell are people thinking…..I cannot believe how people can so easily just abuse children….Actually wait I think maybe because they are all just a poor excuse for a human…a waste of skin..Pathetic…I think that my name says it all AN EYE FOR AN EYE they want to be sick bastards then they should be treated like sick bastards..I would have no problem making these people non existent I would do it with a smile across my face..not just in this case but all of them that I have heard……

  • irtabby

    I honestly don’t understand this. Its not like it was just one angry twisted person that got there rocks off by torturing a little girl. . . it was one angry twisted person and the mother. She participated. And it wasn’t like it was one act of beating or drowning, out of sudden anger and rage like so many childrens deaths. They systematicly beat and abused her.I just can’t grasp how someone could hurt an innocent child. And then to keep doing it and keep doing it, and the fact that they probably got enjoyment out of it???? I just don’t understand. Does anyone have any qoutes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it?

  • irtabby

    I honestly don’t understand this. Its not like it was just one angry twisted person that got there rocks off by torturing a little girl. . . it was one angry twisted person and the mother. She participated. And it wasn’t like it was one act of beating or drowning, out of sudden anger and rage like so many childrens deaths. They systematicly beat and abused her.I just can’t grasp how someone could hurt an innocent child. And then to keep doing it and keep doing it, and the fact that they probably got enjoyment out of it???? I just don’t understand. Does anyone have any qoutes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it?

  • irtabby

    I honestly don’t understand this. Its not like it was just one angry twisted person that got there rocks off by torturing a little girl. . . it was one angry twisted person and the mother. She participated. And it wasn’t like it was one act of beating or drowning, out of sudden anger and rage like so many childrens deaths. They systematicly beat and abused her.I just can’t grasp how someone could hurt an innocent child. And then to keep doing it and keep doing it, and the fact that they probably got enjoyment out of it???? I just don’t understand. Does anyone have any qoutes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it?

  • irtabby

    I honestly don’t understand this. Its not like it was just one angry twisted person that got there rocks off by torturing a little girl. . . it was one angry twisted person and the mother. She participated. And it wasn’t like it was one act of beating or drowning, out of sudden anger and rage like so many childrens deaths. They systematicly beat and abused her.I just can’t grasp how someone could hurt an innocent child. And then to keep doing it and keep doing it, and the fact that they probably got enjoyment out of it???? I just don’t understand. Does anyone have any qoutes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it?

  • Hippiepoet

    Geez, I knew it, I knew her mother and that guy fucking killed her, I think many of us knew it, or had a damn good vibe to it. How horrible. God, why did that stupid bitch of a mother even take her to Texas? It is so goddamn sad knowing that this little girl had people in Ohio that wanted her. All her “mother” had to do was call Ohio and the father or grandmother would have retrieved that child. Just another dumb ass selfish fuck that shouldn’t have had a baby.

    Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about the little girl being white and getting more media coverage. Sadly I believe that’s true. Racism unfortunately runs rampant in the world. I think most agree here though, doesn’t matter what color that child is, what matters is it’s an innocent person.

    Violence again seeps from me, I’m thinking how much I want to hurt these two like they did that child. I know it would not change a thing, that little girl would still be dead.

    QUOTE irtabby “Does anyone have any quotes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it”.

    I too, would like to know what they were thinking. Obviously that little girl got in their way, messed with their fun, got to be too much of a burden, and what do you do to your kid when they become a pain in the ass? Kill ‘em. Sonofabitch. It’s crazy. Are these two fucks still going to be allowed to post bail? I read where it was 350 grand but, how do you kill someone like this, and then be let out on bail? Those two would run for sure. Any words on drug use with these two? Curious about the Meth thing. They both look they’re jonesing for something and it ain’t for a hit off the bong.
    Peace to all

  • Hippiepoet

    Geez, I knew it, I knew her mother and that guy fucking killed her, I think many of us knew it, or had a damn good vibe to it. How horrible. God, why did that stupid bitch of a mother even take her to Texas? It is so goddamn sad knowing that this little girl had people in Ohio that wanted her. All her “mother” had to do was call Ohio and the father or grandmother would have retrieved that child. Just another dumb ass selfish fuck that shouldn’t have had a baby.

    Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about the little girl being white and getting more media coverage. Sadly I believe that’s true. Racism unfortunately runs rampant in the world. I think most agree here though, doesn’t matter what color that child is, what matters is it’s an innocent person.

    Violence again seeps from me, I’m thinking how much I want to hurt these two like they did that child. I know it would not change a thing, that little girl would still be dead.

    QUOTE irtabby “Does anyone have any quotes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it”.

    I too, would like to know what they were thinking. Obviously that little girl got in their way, messed with their fun, got to be too much of a burden, and what do you do to your kid when they become a pain in the ass? Kill ‘em. Sonofabitch. It’s crazy. Are these two fucks still going to be allowed to post bail? I read where it was 350 grand but, how do you kill someone like this, and then be let out on bail? Those two would run for sure. Any words on drug use with these two? Curious about the Meth thing. They both look they’re jonesing for something and it ain’t for a hit off the bong.
    Peace to all

  • Hippiepoet

    Geez, I knew it, I knew her mother and that guy fucking killed her, I think many of us knew it, or had a damn good vibe to it. How horrible. God, why did that stupid bitch of a mother even take her to Texas? It is so goddamn sad knowing that this little girl had people in Ohio that wanted her. All her “mother” had to do was call Ohio and the father or grandmother would have retrieved that child. Just another dumb ass selfish fuck that shouldn’t have had a baby.

    Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about the little girl being white and getting more media coverage. Sadly I believe that’s true. Racism unfortunately runs rampant in the world. I think most agree here though, doesn’t matter what color that child is, what matters is it’s an innocent person.

    Violence again seeps from me, I’m thinking how much I want to hurt these two like they did that child. I know it would not change a thing, that little girl would still be dead.

    QUOTE irtabby “Does anyone have any quotes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it”.

    I too, would like to know what they were thinking. Obviously that little girl got in their way, messed with their fun, got to be too much of a burden, and what do you do to your kid when they become a pain in the ass? Kill ‘em. Sonofabitch. It’s crazy. Are these two fucks still going to be allowed to post bail? I read where it was 350 grand but, how do you kill someone like this, and then be let out on bail? Those two would run for sure. Any words on drug use with these two? Curious about the Meth thing. They both look they’re jonesing for something and it ain’t for a hit off the bong.
    Peace to all

  • Hippiepoet

    Geez, I knew it, I knew her mother and that guy fucking killed her, I think many of us knew it, or had a damn good vibe to it. How horrible. God, why did that stupid bitch of a mother even take her to Texas? It is so goddamn sad knowing that this little girl had people in Ohio that wanted her. All her “mother” had to do was call Ohio and the father or grandmother would have retrieved that child. Just another dumb ass selfish fuck that shouldn’t have had a baby.

    Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about the little girl being white and getting more media coverage. Sadly I believe that’s true. Racism unfortunately runs rampant in the world. I think most agree here though, doesn’t matter what color that child is, what matters is it’s an innocent person.

    Violence again seeps from me, I’m thinking how much I want to hurt these two like they did that child. I know it would not change a thing, that little girl would still be dead.

    QUOTE irtabby “Does anyone have any quotes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it”.

    I too, would like to know what they were thinking. Obviously that little girl got in their way, messed with their fun, got to be too much of a burden, and what do you do to your kid when they become a pain in the ass? Kill ‘em. Sonofabitch. It’s crazy. Are these two fucks still going to be allowed to post bail? I read where it was 350 grand but, how do you kill someone like this, and then be let out on bail? Those two would run for sure. Any words on drug use with these two? Curious about the Meth thing. They both look they’re jonesing for something and it ain’t for a hit off the bong.
    Peace to all

  • Hippiepoet

    Geez, I knew it, I knew her mother and that guy fucking killed her, I think many of us knew it, or had a damn good vibe to it. How horrible. God, why did that stupid bitch of a mother even take her to Texas? It is so goddamn sad knowing that this little girl had people in Ohio that wanted her. All her “mother” had to do was call Ohio and the father or grandmother would have retrieved that child. Just another dumb ass selfish fuck that shouldn’t have had a baby.

    Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about the little girl being white and getting more media coverage. Sadly I believe that’s true. Racism unfortunately runs rampant in the world. I think most agree here though, doesn’t matter what color that child is, what matters is it’s an innocent person.

    Violence again seeps from me, I’m thinking how much I want to hurt these two like they did that child. I know it would not change a thing, that little girl would still be dead.

    QUOTE irtabby “Does anyone have any quotes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it”.

    I too, would like to know what they were thinking. Obviously that little girl got in their way, messed with their fun, got to be too much of a burden, and what do you do to your kid when they become a pain in the ass? Kill ‘em. Sonofabitch. It’s crazy. Are these two fucks still going to be allowed to post bail? I read where it was 350 grand but, how do you kill someone like this, and then be let out on bail? Those two would run for sure. Any words on drug use with these two? Curious about the Meth thing. They both look they’re jonesing for something and it ain’t for a hit off the bong.
    Peace to all

  • Hippiepoet

    Geez, I knew it, I knew her mother and that guy fucking killed her, I think many of us knew it, or had a damn good vibe to it. How horrible. God, why did that stupid bitch of a mother even take her to Texas? It is so goddamn sad knowing that this little girl had people in Ohio that wanted her. All her “mother” had to do was call Ohio and the father or grandmother would have retrieved that child. Just another dumb ass selfish fuck that shouldn’t have had a baby.

    Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about the little girl being white and getting more media coverage. Sadly I believe that’s true. Racism unfortunately runs rampant in the world. I think most agree here though, doesn’t matter what color that child is, what matters is it’s an innocent person.

    Violence again seeps from me, I’m thinking how much I want to hurt these two like they did that child. I know it would not change a thing, that little girl would still be dead.

    QUOTE irtabby “Does anyone have any quotes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it”.

    I too, would like to know what they were thinking. Obviously that little girl got in their way, messed with their fun, got to be too much of a burden, and what do you do to your kid when they become a pain in the ass? Kill ‘em. Sonofabitch. It’s crazy. Are these two fucks still going to be allowed to post bail? I read where it was 350 grand but, how do you kill someone like this, and then be let out on bail? Those two would run for sure. Any words on drug use with these two? Curious about the Meth thing. They both look they’re jonesing for something and it ain’t for a hit off the bong.
    Peace to all

  • Hippiepoet

    Geez, I knew it, I knew her mother and that guy fucking killed her, I think many of us knew it, or had a damn good vibe to it. How horrible. God, why did that stupid bitch of a mother even take her to Texas? It is so goddamn sad knowing that this little girl had people in Ohio that wanted her. All her “mother” had to do was call Ohio and the father or grandmother would have retrieved that child. Just another dumb ass selfish fuck that shouldn’t have had a baby.

    Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about the little girl being white and getting more media coverage. Sadly I believe that’s true. Racism unfortunately runs rampant in the world. I think most agree here though, doesn’t matter what color that child is, what matters is it’s an innocent person.

    Violence again seeps from me, I’m thinking how much I want to hurt these two like they did that child. I know it would not change a thing, that little girl would still be dead.

    QUOTE irtabby “Does anyone have any quotes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it”.

    I too, would like to know what they were thinking. Obviously that little girl got in their way, messed with their fun, got to be too much of a burden, and what do you do to your kid when they become a pain in the ass? Kill ‘em. Sonofabitch. It’s crazy. Are these two fucks still going to be allowed to post bail? I read where it was 350 grand but, how do you kill someone like this, and then be let out on bail? Those two would run for sure. Any words on drug use with these two? Curious about the Meth thing. They both look they’re jonesing for something and it ain’t for a hit off the bong.
    Peace to all

  • Hippiepoet

    Geez, I knew it, I knew her mother and that guy fucking killed her, I think many of us knew it, or had a damn good vibe to it. How horrible. God, why did that stupid bitch of a mother even take her to Texas? It is so goddamn sad knowing that this little girl had people in Ohio that wanted her. All her “mother” had to do was call Ohio and the father or grandmother would have retrieved that child. Just another dumb ass selfish fuck that shouldn’t have had a baby.

    Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about the little girl being white and getting more media coverage. Sadly I believe that’s true. Racism unfortunately runs rampant in the world. I think most agree here though, doesn’t matter what color that child is, what matters is it’s an innocent person.

    Violence again seeps from me, I’m thinking how much I want to hurt these two like they did that child. I know it would not change a thing, that little girl would still be dead.

    QUOTE irtabby “Does anyone have any quotes from these monsters as to what they were thinking and why they did it”.

    I too, would like to know what they were thinking. Obviously that little girl got in their way, messed with their fun, got to be too much of a burden, and what do you do to your kid when they become a pain in the ass? Kill ‘em. Sonofabitch. It’s crazy. Are these two fucks still going to be allowed to post bail? I read where it was 350 grand but, how do you kill someone like this, and then be let out on bail? Those two would run for sure. Any words on drug use with these two? Curious about the Meth thing. They both look they’re jonesing for something and it ain’t for a hit off the bong.
    Peace to all

  • JUSTAMOM2

    When I found out that the mom admitted to torturing the baby to death I wanted to go to Texas (a state I swore I’d never return to) and kill that couple myself! I’m not a violent woman and I try to believe that our justice system will do it’s best but I lost faith in that a while ago. What I do have faith in is the anger of good people and when good people get angry enough they will act. I know some read these stories and lose faith in the world and I can understand that but I also know there are some that read these stories and do something. It may be a small something or it may be a huge something but I believe people care.

  • JUSTAMOM2

    When I found out that the mom admitted to torturing the baby to death I wanted to go to Texas (a state I swore I’d never return to) and kill that couple myself! I’m not a violent woman and I try to believe that our justice system will do it’s best but I lost faith in that a while ago. What I do have faith in is the anger of good people and when good people get angry enough they will act. I know some read these stories and lose faith in the world and I can understand that but I also know there are some that read these stories and do something. It may be a small something or it may be a huge something but I believe people care.

  • JUSTAMOM2

    When I found out that the mom admitted to torturing the baby to death I wanted to go to Texas (a state I swore I’d never return to) and kill that couple myself! I’m not a violent woman and I try to believe that our justice system will do it’s best but I lost faith in that a while ago. What I do have faith in is the anger of good people and when good people get angry enough they will act. I know some read these stories and lose faith in the world and I can understand that but I also know there are some that read these stories and do something. It may be a small something or it may be a huge something but I believe people care.

  • JUSTAMOM2

    When I found out that the mom admitted to torturing the baby to death I wanted to go to Texas (a state I swore I’d never return to) and kill that couple myself! I’m not a violent woman and I try to believe that our justice system will do it’s best but I lost faith in that a while ago. What I do have faith in is the anger of good people and when good people get angry enough they will act. I know some read these stories and lose faith in the world and I can understand that but I also know there are some that read these stories and do something. It may be a small something or it may be a huge something but I believe people care.

  • thepooh5

    Sick, disgusting – now that they have admitted all that they have done – why do we have to waste time and money on them – just rid the world of them.

    She had no desire – but for her “dick”. As Kathy posted – someone please inform all women – about the world of adult toys – DAMN , DOUBLE DAMN!!

  • thepooh5

    Sick, disgusting – now that they have admitted all that they have done – why do we have to waste time and money on them – just rid the world of them.

    She had no desire – but for her “dick”. As Kathy posted – someone please inform all women – about the world of adult toys – DAMN , DOUBLE DAMN!!

  • thepooh5

    Sick, disgusting – now that they have admitted all that they have done – why do we have to waste time and money on them – just rid the world of them.

    She had no desire – but for her “dick”. As Kathy posted – someone please inform all women – about the world of adult toys – DAMN , DOUBLE DAMN!!

  • thepooh5

    Sick, disgusting – now that they have admitted all that they have done – why do we have to waste time and money on them – just rid the world of them.

    She had no desire – but for her “dick”. As Kathy posted – someone please inform all women – about the world of adult toys – DAMN , DOUBLE DAMN!!

  • thepooh5

    Sick, disgusting – now that they have admitted all that they have done – why do we have to waste time and money on them – just rid the world of them.

    She had no desire – but for her “dick”. As Kathy posted – someone please inform all women – about the world of adult toys – DAMN , DOUBLE DAMN!!

  • thepooh5

    Sick, disgusting – now that they have admitted all that they have done – why do we have to waste time and money on them – just rid the world of them.

    She had no desire – but for her “dick”. As Kathy posted – someone please inform all women – about the world of adult toys – DAMN , DOUBLE DAMN!!

  • thepooh5

    Sick, disgusting – now that they have admitted all that they have done – why do we have to waste time and money on them – just rid the world of them.

    She had no desire – but for her “dick”. As Kathy posted – someone please inform all women – about the world of adult toys – DAMN , DOUBLE DAMN!!

  • thepooh5

    Sick, disgusting – now that they have admitted all that they have done – why do we have to waste time and money on them – just rid the world of them.

    She had no desire – but for her “dick”. As Kathy posted – someone please inform all women – about the world of adult toys – DAMN , DOUBLE DAMN!!

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Rosie

    I just read that the Mom is 19. I have thought for a long time that there needs to be a class taught in either middle school or high school called LIFE, and in this class they would teach everything from managing money to taking care of yourself, i.e. a woman doesn’t need a man to survive, a woman doesn’t have to put up with being hit, a parent’s role is to raise their children and protect them, etc. Parents don’t seem to be teaching their teenagers about real life anymore and I believe that is where the break down is coming from.

  • Kathy

    Add to that class Rosie. Boys are being babied and freed from their responsibility. Teach them too.
    Men can be responsible for their own contraception. A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.

  • Kathy

    Add to that class Rosie. Boys are being babied and freed from their responsibility. Teach them too.
    Men can be responsible for their own contraception. A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.

  • Kathy

    Add to that class Rosie. Boys are being babied and freed from their responsibility. Teach them too.
    Men can be responsible for their own contraception. A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.

  • Kathy

    Add to that class Rosie. Boys are being babied and freed from their responsibility. Teach them too.
    Men can be responsible for their own contraception. A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.

  • Kathy

    Add to that class Rosie. Boys are being babied and freed from their responsibility. Teach them too.
    Men can be responsible for their own contraception. A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.

  • Kathy

    Add to that class Rosie. Boys are being babied and freed from their responsibility. Teach them too.
    Men can be responsible for their own contraception. A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.

  • Hippiepoet

    QUOTE Kathy “A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.”

    Right on.

  • Hippiepoet

    QUOTE Kathy “A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.”

    Right on.

  • Hippiepoet

    QUOTE Kathy “A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.”

    Right on.

  • Hippiepoet

    QUOTE Kathy “A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.”

    Right on.

  • Hippiepoet

    QUOTE Kathy “A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.”

    Right on.

  • Hippiepoet

    QUOTE Kathy “A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.”

    Right on.

  • Hippiepoet

    QUOTE Kathy “A real man doesn’t need to use violence to control a woman. A real man needs to be a good father and role model.”

    Right on.

  • tabularasa9

    Only among the fellow citizens we have come to acquaint as the white trash of America!!!!

  • tabularasa9

    Only among the fellow citizens we have come to acquaint as the white trash of America!!!!

  • tabularasa9

    Only among the fellow citizens we have come to acquaint as the white trash of America!!!!

  • tabularasa9

    Only among the fellow citizens we have come to acquaint as the white trash of America!!!!

  • tabularasa9

    Only among the fellow citizens we have come to acquaint as the white trash of America!!!!

  • tabularasa9

    Only among the fellow citizens we have come to acquaint as the white trash of America!!!!

  • Rosie

    Yeah Kathy there would be a class for both males and females. But do you think the Bible thumpers would allow such a class? I think there are far more important things than reading writing, etc. and unfortunately parents today are more focused on their jobs and obviously their private parts to raise responsible children. Boys are awful today it seems as far as going to college or getting a good job, they seem to rely on their parents. My husband caught my 4 year old hitting me the other day and he picked him up and spanked him good – he told him that he might grow up hating his guts but he would not allow him to hit or disrespect any woman and especially his Mother and nor would he allow him to be a deliquent. I love my husband!

  • Rosie

    Yeah Kathy there would be a class for both males and females. But do you think the Bible thumpers would allow such a class? I think there are far more important things than reading writing, etc. and unfortunately parents today are more focused on their jobs and obviously their private parts to raise responsible children. Boys are awful today it seems as far as going to college or getting a good job, they seem to rely on their parents. My husband caught my 4 year old hitting me the other day and he picked him up and spanked him good – he told him that he might grow up hating his guts but he would not allow him to hit or disrespect any woman and especially his Mother and nor would he allow him to be a deliquent. I love my husband!

  • Rosie

    Yeah Kathy there would be a class for both males and females. But do you think the Bible thumpers would allow such a class? I think there are far more important things than reading writing, etc. and unfortunately parents today are more focused on their jobs and obviously their private parts to raise responsible children. Boys are awful today it seems as far as going to college or getting a good job, they seem to rely on their parents. My husband caught my 4 year old hitting me the other day and he picked him up and spanked him good – he told him that he might grow up hating his guts but he would not allow him to hit or disrespect any woman and especially his Mother and nor would he allow him to be a deliquent. I love my husband!

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    I am have been reading this site for about two weeks now. I live right down the road from where they found Rowan Ford and for some reason I have felt drawn to finding out more about how such a thing was allowed to happen. How the hell can people do these kinds of things and how as a mother or a father could you cover up the murder of your child. If a parent or step parent even looks at your kid wrong you should have then out of there so fast it would be like you where never there. When I was a single dad I would not even let my daughter meet the girls I was seeing, let alone move them in and allow them to hurt my child. I just don’t understand why people can’t just be by themselves and find out who they are and then shop around for someone who is nice and kind and would never hurt their child. One strike and your out is how it should go, but most people are just so needy that they will hook up with the first person who knocks on their door. This poor girl, why the hell did her mom not leave her with her dad? Why would he let her take his daughter out of state? Why did he not fight her on this? There is no way in hell I would have let her leave with my child, guys come on we have rights too. That is the one thing that I would like to know. Why the hell he was allowed her to leave with this little girl to meet some guy she met online and no one called the cops on her or took her to court to stop her from taking this little girl. Sorry but this all just a lot to take in. One other thing, if this would have been a story about a little black, brown, yellow or green girl I would be just as upset. All little gifts are worthy of love and respect. I have a one year old little girl and I could not imagine hurting her. I also have a 15, 9 and 6 year old girls and a 9 year old boy, they are all wonderful and would kill for them, I just don’t get it, but maybe I not suppose to. Fathers need to step up and be there for their daughter and tell them that they are great and wonderful and that they can do or be anything that they want. I get so sick of all these girls out there with daddy complexes because of shitty fathers. Guy your little girls need you today not tomorrow or the next day or when you can get around to it, BUT NOW. Trust me on this I have to sisters that are all messed up because of my father. He allowed some bitch into his life and let her abuse my sisters and his pussy ass did not do a dam thing and than he wonders why they are all messed up. Than he tells me that he Lovvvved her and I would not understand, well he got me there, not about the love, but allowing someone to call you little angle a slut. Yes dad I don’t understand because I would have shoved my foot so fair up her ass her would have Doc Marten breathe. Sorry about that, Lol.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    I am have been reading this site for about two weeks now. I live right down the road from where they found Rowan Ford and for some reason I have felt drawn to finding out more about how such a thing was allowed to happen. How the hell can people do these kinds of things and how as a mother or a father could you cover up the murder of your child. If a parent or step parent even looks at your kid wrong you should have then out of there so fast it would be like you where never there. When I was a single dad I would not even let my daughter meet the girls I was seeing, let alone move them in and allow them to hurt my child. I just don’t understand why people can’t just be by themselves and find out who they are and then shop around for someone who is nice and kind and would never hurt their child. One strike and your out is how it should go, but most people are just so needy that they will hook up with the first person who knocks on their door. This poor girl, why the hell did her mom not leave her with her dad? Why would he let her take his daughter out of state? Why did he not fight her on this? There is no way in hell I would have let her leave with my child, guys come on we have rights too. That is the one thing that I would like to know. Why the hell he was allowed her to leave with this little girl to meet some guy she met online and no one called the cops on her or took her to court to stop her from taking this little girl. Sorry but this all just a lot to take in. One other thing, if this would have been a story about a little black, brown, yellow or green girl I would be just as upset. All little gifts are worthy of love and respect. I have a one year old little girl and I could not imagine hurting her. I also have a 15, 9 and 6 year old girls and a 9 year old boy, they are all wonderful and would kill for them, I just don’t get it, but maybe I not suppose to. Fathers need to step up and be there for their daughter and tell them that they are great and wonderful and that they can do or be anything that they want. I get so sick of all these girls out there with daddy complexes because of shitty fathers. Guy your little girls need you today not tomorrow or the next day or when you can get around to it, BUT NOW. Trust me on this I have to sisters that are all messed up because of my father. He allowed some bitch into his life and let her abuse my sisters and his pussy ass did not do a dam thing and than he wonders why they are all messed up. Than he tells me that he Lovvvved her and I would not understand, well he got me there, not about the love, but allowing someone to call you little angle a slut. Yes dad I don’t understand because I would have shoved my foot so fair up her ass her would have Doc Marten breathe. Sorry about that, Lol.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    I am have been reading this site for about two weeks now. I live right down the road from where they found Rowan Ford and for some reason I have felt drawn to finding out more about how such a thing was allowed to happen. How the hell can people do these kinds of things and how as a mother or a father could you cover up the murder of your child. If a parent or step parent even looks at your kid wrong you should have then out of there so fast it would be like you where never there. When I was a single dad I would not even let my daughter meet the girls I was seeing, let alone move them in and allow them to hurt my child. I just don’t understand why people can’t just be by themselves and find out who they are and then shop around for someone who is nice and kind and would never hurt their child. One strike and your out is how it should go, but most people are just so needy that they will hook up with the first person who knocks on their door. This poor girl, why the hell did her mom not leave her with her dad? Why would he let her take his daughter out of state? Why did he not fight her on this? There is no way in hell I would have let her leave with my child, guys come on we have rights too. That is the one thing that I would like to know. Why the hell he was allowed her to leave with this little girl to meet some guy she met online and no one called the cops on her or took her to court to stop her from taking this little girl. Sorry but this all just a lot to take in. One other thing, if this would have been a story about a little black, brown, yellow or green girl I would be just as upset. All little gifts are worthy of love and respect. I have a one year old little girl and I could not imagine hurting her. I also have a 15, 9 and 6 year old girls and a 9 year old boy, they are all wonderful and would kill for them, I just don’t get it, but maybe I not suppose to. Fathers need to step up and be there for their daughter and tell them that they are great and wonderful and that they can do or be anything that they want. I get so sick of all these girls out there with daddy complexes because of shitty fathers. Guy your little girls need you today not tomorrow or the next day or when you can get around to it, BUT NOW. Trust me on this I have to sisters that are all messed up because of my father. He allowed some bitch into his life and let her abuse my sisters and his pussy ass did not do a dam thing and than he wonders why they are all messed up. Than he tells me that he Lovvvved her and I would not understand, well he got me there, not about the love, but allowing someone to call you little angle a slut. Yes dad I don’t understand because I would have shoved my foot so fair up her ass her would have Doc Marten breathe. Sorry about that, Lol.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com warrman69

    I am have been reading this site for about two weeks now. I live right down the road from where they found Rowan Ford and for some reason I have felt drawn to finding out more about how such a thing was allowed to happen. How the hell can people do these kinds of things and how as a mother or a father could you cover up the murder of your child. If a parent or step parent even looks at your kid wrong you should have then out of there so fast it would be like you where never there. When I was a single dad I would not even let my daughter meet the girls I was seeing, let alone move them in and allow them to hurt my child. I just don’t understand why people can’t just be by themselves and find out who they are and then shop around for someone who is nice and kind and would never hurt their child. One strike and your out is how it should go, but most people are just so needy that they will hook up with the first person who knocks on their door. This poor girl, why the hell did her mom not leave her with her dad? Why would he let her take his daughter out of state? Why did he not fight her on this? There is no way in hell I would have let her leave with my child, guys come on we have rights too. That is the one thing that I would like to know. Why the hell he was allowed her to leave with this little girl to meet some guy she met online and no one called the cops on her or took her to court to stop her from taking this little girl. Sorry but this all just a lot to take in. One other thing, if this would have been a story about a little black, brown, yellow or green girl I would be just as upset. All little gifts are worthy of love and respect. I have a one year old little girl and I could not imagine hurting her. I also have a 15, 9 and 6 year old girls and a 9 year old boy, they are all wonderful and would kill for them, I just don’t get it, but maybe I not suppose to. Fathers need to step up and be there for their daughter and tell them that they are great and wonderful and that they can do or be anything that they want. I get so sick of all these girls out there with daddy complexes because of shitty fathers. Guy your little girls need you today not tomorrow or the next day or when you can get around to it, BUT NOW. Trust me on this I have to sisters that are all messed up because of my father. He allowed some bitch into his life and let her abuse my sisters and his pussy ass did not do a dam thing and than he wonders why they are all messed up. Than he tells me that he Lovvvved her and I would not understand, well he got me there, not about the love, but allowing someone to call you little angle a slut. Yes dad I don’t understand because I would have shoved my foot so fair up her ass her would have Doc Marten breathe. Sorry about that, Lol.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    March 11, 2005: Riley Sawyers is born in Mentor to Kimberly Trenor and Robert Sawyers.

    March 30, 2007: Robert Sawyers is arrested for domestic violence after Trenor calls police and says he grabbed her throat because she parked in his space in the driveway.

    April 12: Sawyers is ordered by Lake County Domestic Court to stay away from Trenor.

    May 25: Trenor agrees to give Sawyers custody of Riley every Wednesday and every other weekend.

    May 29: Sawyers files a claim that Trenor failed to give him Riley. Trenor’s father, Randall Trenor, says his daughter and Riley are in Canton and will return in June.

    June 1: Kimberly Trenor and Riley move to Texas, where Trenor, 19, moves in with Royce Clyde Zeigler II, 24, who she met on the Internet.

    June 5: Robert Sawyers’ mother, Sheryl, the court’s go-between, argues with Randall Trenor about Kimberly. Randall tells Mentor police that Kimberly is either in Pennsylvania, Maryland or Virginia.

    June 26: A trial is set in Lake County Domestic Relations Court to change custody and give Sawyers more time with his daughter.

    July 15: Court summons for Trenor is returned unopened.

    Sept. 19: Second court summons returned unopened.

    Oct. 29: Body of a young unidentified girl, later named “Baby Grace,” is found in plastic bin in Galveston Bay.

    Nov. 7: Sheryl Sawyers alerts Texas officials the body might be her grandchild she has not seen since May.

    Nov. 20: Robert Sawyers gives DNA sample to be sent to Texas.

    Nov. 24: Galveston police arrest Kimberly Trenor and Zeigler and charge them with injuring a child and tampering with evidence.

    Nov. 26: Galveston sheriff’s officials confirm the body found is that of Riley. DNA tests results are pending, but police say are confident in the identification.

    SOURCE: Lake County court records and Galveston Sheriff’s Office

    Personally, I think the father and grandmother of Riley were doing the only things you could do, legally.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    March 11, 2005: Riley Sawyers is born in Mentor to Kimberly Trenor and Robert Sawyers.

    March 30, 2007: Robert Sawyers is arrested for domestic violence after Trenor calls police and says he grabbed her throat because she parked in his space in the driveway.

    April 12: Sawyers is ordered by Lake County Domestic Court to stay away from Trenor.

    May 25: Trenor agrees to give Sawyers custody of Riley every Wednesday and every other weekend.

    May 29: Sawyers files a claim that Trenor failed to give him Riley. Trenor’s father, Randall Trenor, says his daughter and Riley are in Canton and will return in June.

    June 1: Kimberly Trenor and Riley move to Texas, where Trenor, 19, moves in with Royce Clyde Zeigler II, 24, who she met on the Internet.

    June 5: Robert Sawyers’ mother, Sheryl, the court’s go-between, argues with Randall Trenor about Kimberly. Randall tells Mentor police that Kimberly is either in Pennsylvania, Maryland or Virginia.

    June 26: A trial is set in Lake County Domestic Relations Court to change custody and give Sawyers more time with his daughter.

    July 15: Court summons for Trenor is returned unopened.

    Sept. 19: Second court summons returned unopened.

    Oct. 29: Body of a young unidentified girl, later named “Baby Grace,” is found in plastic bin in Galveston Bay.

    Nov. 7: Sheryl Sawyers alerts Texas officials the body might be her grandchild she has not seen since May.

    Nov. 20: Robert Sawyers gives DNA sample to be sent to Texas.

    Nov. 24: Galveston police arrest Kimberly Trenor and Zeigler and charge them with injuring a child and tampering with evidence.

    Nov. 26: Galveston sheriff’s officials confirm the body found is that of Riley. DNA tests results are pending, but police say are confident in the identification.

    SOURCE: Lake County court records and Galveston Sheriff’s Office

    Personally, I think the father and grandmother of Riley were doing the only things you could do, legally.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Thank Morbid that clears up a lot. He was doing all he could, how terrible.
    By the way great site.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com warrman69

    Thank Morbid that clears up a lot. He was doing all he could, how terrible.
    By the way great site.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Thanks, warrman69. Glad you like it.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Thanks, warrman69. Glad you like it.

  • thepooh5

    “warrman69″ – it is so refreshing to hear a “father” – calling on other fathers to step-up!!! I truly appreciate the below statement:

    “Fathers need to step up and be there for their daughter and tell them that they are great and wonderful and that they can do or be anything that they want. I get so sick of all these girls out there with daddy complexes because of shitty fathers. Guy your little girls need you today not tomorrow or the next day or when you can get around to it, BUT NOW. Trust me on this I have to sisters that are all messed up because of my father.”

    Amen, warrman69 you have the “father of the day award” from me!!!

  • thepooh5

    “warrman69″ – it is so refreshing to hear a “father” – calling on other fathers to step-up!!! I truly appreciate the below statement:

    “Fathers need to step up and be there for their daughter and tell them that they are great and wonderful and that they can do or be anything that they want. I get so sick of all these girls out there with daddy complexes because of shitty fathers. Guy your little girls need you today not tomorrow or the next day or when you can get around to it, BUT NOW. Trust me on this I have to sisters that are all messed up because of my father.”

    Amen, warrman69 you have the “father of the day award” from me!!!

  • Pari

    Just wondering, will the Grandmother Sawyer receive the $20,000 reward offered by the FBI?

  • Pari

    Just wondering, will the Grandmother Sawyer receive the $20,000 reward offered by the FBI?

  • Gram Oreo

    I sure as hell hope so. I read in one of the papers, that Robert Sawyers was gonna set up a fund, so he can raise the funds to bury Riley.

    What better way for this reward to be used, than to give Riley a beautiful farewell.

    Has anyone noticed, that there have no reports of statements from Kimberly’s parents nor Royce’s either.

    Most likely toooooo ashamed of their murdering offspring.

    Another thought. The family lived with Robert’s parents. Would you not think that they would have noticed the abuse if it took place in their own home. Maybe at that time it wasn’t physical abuse but verbal abuse. Needless to say, if that were the case, I am shocked that they did not prevent the mom from taking her to Texas, on those terms. Also, I believe that Robert could have stopped Kim and Riley from leaving the area, regarding child support rules, etc…. I believe he could have said NO…and she would not have been able to travel the distance that she did.

  • Gram Oreo

    I sure as hell hope so. I read in one of the papers, that Robert Sawyers was gonna set up a fund, so he can raise the funds to bury Riley.

    What better way for this reward to be used, than to give Riley a beautiful farewell.

    Has anyone noticed, that there have no reports of statements from Kimberly’s parents nor Royce’s either.

    Most likely toooooo ashamed of their murdering offspring.

    Another thought. The family lived with Robert’s parents. Would you not think that they would have noticed the abuse if it took place in their own home. Maybe at that time it wasn’t physical abuse but verbal abuse. Needless to say, if that were the case, I am shocked that they did not prevent the mom from taking her to Texas, on those terms. Also, I believe that Robert could have stopped Kim and Riley from leaving the area, regarding child support rules, etc…. I believe he could have said NO…and she would not have been able to travel the distance that she did.

  • Gram Oreo

    From http://www.cnn.com Words from the Artist ~

    (CNN) — A man in the medical examiner’s office pushed back the cheeks on Baby Grace’s corpse to put a smile on her tiny, decaying face. That’s how forensic artist Lois Gibson captured the open-mouthed grin with spangled risotto-sized teeth. It was one of the girl’s few features that had survived six weeks in a shed during a Texas summer and nearly two months in Galveston Bay.
    art.grace.split.01.ap.jpg

    Forensic artist Lois Gibson created a nearly perfect portrait of Riley Ann Sawyers’ face.

    But it was the way the blond toddler looked outside of the black body bag that made Gibson draw large, lid-filling eyes on the picture of the girl that led to identifying Riley Ann Sawyers.

    “She was so very, very small. She looked like the size of a child that you would change the diaper on, just laying there on a metal gurney like a giant stainless steel cookie sheet,” Gibson says just above a sad, disbelieving whisper before her voice shifts and she’s strong and scientific. “If you are very, very small, then the iris, that colored part of your eye, takes up almost the entire eye opening.”

    The corpse’s decay helped Gibson perfect the gentle downward slope of Riley’s eyes. “The decomposition was such that I could see that bone on her face,” she said. “And her eyebrows were going to follow her little ridge.”

    Gibson said she felt her blood pressure rising during her morgue visit. It passed quickly, she said, and “I turned into the artist. I was going to make the best picture possible and get every piece of anatomy right and find her name and get justice for her.” In spite of what lay on the gurney, Gibson said, “I knew that she was beautiful, and the picture would reach out to people who knew her and loved her.” Video Watch what the sketch artist has to say about the case »

    And it did. Five days after the release of Gibson’s precise post-mortem sketch, Riley’s grandmother in Ohio recognized the sweet face and contacted police.

    It’s the kind of result police hope for when they summon one of the handful of forensic artists across the nation who can re-create the faces of maimed, burned and decaying bodies. Gibson spent what she described as just “three intense minutes” with Riley’s body that day. It was all she needed. It was all she could take.

    But it was decades of research that help her nail the image.

    A trained artist can look at a skull and immediately tell the race and gender of a corpse. And that’s the beginning of giving a name to the unknown.

    “If you turn the skull of a white male sideways, it’s almost like a truck hit it. It’s just straight up and down flat,” said Marla Lawson, a renowned forensic artist who works for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. “The forehead protrudes very little and the chin sinks in. But for African-Americans, they slightly slope at the forehead and they protrude slightly at the mandible and they have these great cheekbones. Their skulls weigh more than white people’s skulls, and their teeth will be whiter and brighter usually.”

    An Asian person’s skull will have a wider facial area, Lawson said, but people of Hispanic descent are more challenging because the structures are nearly identical to Caucasians.

    But determining male and female is easy, said Lawson who created the first, and dead-on, likeness of Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph while he was a fugitive. Run your fingers vertically over your eyebrows. Males feel a defined ridge under the brow line. A woman’s face is smoother.

    There are other clues about structures on a person’s head. The size and direction of that really hard bone just behind the ear holds clues about whether earlobes are attached or not, said Suzanne Birdwell, who works for the Texas Department of Public Safety. And those orbits, the openings in a skull where eyes belong, are not all the same in spite of their run-of-the-mill appearance.

    “Some part of it will be slanted and that will tell you which way tears ducts would have drained and that tells you where to start the corner of the eye,” Birdwell said.

    Anthropologists spent years taking measurements from various cadavers — male, female, chubby, emaciated, short, young, old, Asian, Latino, black, white. They’ve compiled those measurements in how the depth from skin surface to bone differs based on all those factors for 21 different spots on a face and placed those averages in a chart. Forensic artists use those measurements to determine how much flesh and contour to put on a skull to create a bust or make a sketch.

    Frank Bender worked on a case very similar to Riley’s in the early 1980′s. Bender helped identify Aliyah Davis. Like Riley, she was beaten to death, tossed into a steamer trunk and then dumped under a bridge in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

    Bender says the best reconstructionists know how to combine science and art because depth charts are limiting. “Facial thickness charts do not make the person. They will give you a gross, generic likeness because they are taken from averages and every person is an individual,” he said.

    Charts would have failed him when he worked on a case in New York. The front of the skull was gone — no orbits to determine the slope of eyelids, no hole in the middle to give clues about where the nose would have been or its shape and no upper jaw to hint at lip and mouth shape. But with something that resembled an empty bowl, Bender made a face. The exact face.

    He used shapes from the back of the head to determine what kind of face would match the back of that skull. “It’s harmony of form,” said Bender who is a fine artist by trade. “It’s no different than composing a piece music or orchestrating a dance.”

    Gibson used similar artistic license in painting the case-solving portrait of Riley. Along with the saddening visit to the morgue, Gibson used autopsy photos and pictures of the clothes and shoes on the body.
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    “I had to go to the morgue to see her in person. I saw how her hair fell to the middle of her back. She looked a lot like my little girl at that age,” Gibson said. “I took out a picture of my baby girl playing on the floor with toys at that same age and I drew my daughter’s body in that position. And I drew the clothing of the dead girl on that body and I put Baby Grace’s face on that body.”

    Gibson captured the downward slope of Riley’s eyes and the tiny nose with the bulbous tip. “I knew I had to do this right for that little girl,” Gibson said. “I only get one chance, and I want to help helpless victims. How much more helpless can you be when you’re 2, and you’re dead.”

  • Gram Oreo

    From http://www.cnn.com Words from the Artist ~

    (CNN) — A man in the medical examiner’s office pushed back the cheeks on Baby Grace’s corpse to put a smile on her tiny, decaying face. That’s how forensic artist Lois Gibson captured the open-mouthed grin with spangled risotto-sized teeth. It was one of the girl’s few features that had survived six weeks in a shed during a Texas summer and nearly two months in Galveston Bay.
    art.grace.split.01.ap.jpg

    Forensic artist Lois Gibson created a nearly perfect portrait of Riley Ann Sawyers’ face.

    But it was the way the blond toddler looked outside of the black body bag that made Gibson draw large, lid-filling eyes on the picture of the girl that led to identifying Riley Ann Sawyers.

    “She was so very, very small. She looked like the size of a child that you would change the diaper on, just laying there on a metal gurney like a giant stainless steel cookie sheet,” Gibson says just above a sad, disbelieving whisper before her voice shifts and she’s strong and scientific. “If you are very, very small, then the iris, that colored part of your eye, takes up almost the entire eye opening.”

    The corpse’s decay helped Gibson perfect the gentle downward slope of Riley’s eyes. “The decomposition was such that I could see that bone on her face,” she said. “And her eyebrows were going to follow her little ridge.”

    Gibson said she felt her blood pressure rising during her morgue visit. It passed quickly, she said, and “I turned into the artist. I was going to make the best picture possible and get every piece of anatomy right and find her name and get justice for her.” In spite of what lay on the gurney, Gibson said, “I knew that she was beautiful, and the picture would reach out to people who knew her and loved her.” Video Watch what the sketch artist has to say about the case »

    And it did. Five days after the release of Gibson’s precise post-mortem sketch, Riley’s grandmother in Ohio recognized the sweet face and contacted police.

    It’s the kind of result police hope for when they summon one of the handful of forensic artists across the nation who can re-create the faces of maimed, burned and decaying bodies. Gibson spent what she described as just “three intense minutes” with Riley’s body that day. It was all she needed. It was all she could take.

    But it was decades of research that help her nail the image.

    A trained artist can look at a skull and immediately tell the race and gender of a corpse. And that’s the beginning of giving a name to the unknown.

    “If you turn the skull of a white male sideways, it’s almost like a truck hit it. It’s just straight up and down flat,” said Marla Lawson, a renowned forensic artist who works for the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. “The forehead protrudes very little and the chin sinks in. But for African-Americans, they slightly slope at the forehead and they protrude slightly at the mandible and they have these great cheekbones. Their skulls weigh more than white people’s skulls, and their teeth will be whiter and brighter usually.”

    An Asian person’s skull will have a wider facial area, Lawson said, but people of Hispanic descent are more challenging because the structures are nearly identical to Caucasians.

    But determining male and female is easy, said Lawson who created the first, and dead-on, likeness of Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph while he was a fugitive. Run your fingers vertically over your eyebrows. Males feel a defined ridge under the brow line. A woman’s face is smoother.

    There are other clues about structures on a person’s head. The size and direction of that really hard bone just behind the ear holds clues about whether earlobes are attached or not, said Suzanne Birdwell, who works for the Texas Department of Public Safety. And those orbits, the openings in a skull where eyes belong, are not all the same in spite of their run-of-the-mill appearance.

    “Some part of it will be slanted and that will tell you which way tears ducts would have drained and that tells you where to start the corner of the eye,” Birdwell said.

    Anthropologists spent years taking measurements from various cadavers — male, female, chubby, emaciated, short, young, old, Asian, Latino, black, white. They’ve compiled those measurements in how the depth from skin surface to bone differs based on all those factors for 21 different spots on a face and placed those averages in a chart. Forensic artists use those measurements to determine how much flesh and contour to put on a skull to create a bust or make a sketch.

    Frank Bender worked on a case very similar to Riley’s in the early 1980′s. Bender helped identify Aliyah Davis. Like Riley, she was beaten to death, tossed into a steamer trunk and then dumped under a bridge in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

    Bender says the best reconstructionists know how to combine science and art because depth charts are limiting. “Facial thickness charts do not make the person. They will give you a gross, generic likeness because they are taken from averages and every person is an individual,” he said.

    Charts would have failed him when he worked on a case in New York. The front of the skull was gone — no orbits to determine the slope of eyelids, no hole in the middle to give clues about where the nose would have been or its shape and no upper jaw to hint at lip and mouth shape. But with something that resembled an empty bowl, Bender made a face. The exact face.

    He used shapes from the back of the head to determine what kind of face would match the back of that skull. “It’s harmony of form,” said Bender who is a fine artist by trade. “It’s no different than composing a piece music or orchestrating a dance.”

    Gibson used similar artistic license in painting the case-solving portrait of Riley. Along with the saddening visit to the morgue, Gibson used autopsy photos and pictures of the clothes and shoes on the body.
    advertisement

    “I had to go to the morgue to see her in person. I saw how her hair fell to the middle of her back. She looked a lot like my little girl at that age,” Gibson said. “I took out a picture of my baby girl playing on the floor with toys at that same age and I drew my daughter’s body in that position. And I drew the clothing of the dead girl on that body and I put Baby Grace’s face on that body.”

    Gibson captured the downward slope of Riley’s eyes and the tiny nose with the bulbous tip. “I knew I had to do this right for that little girl,” Gibson said. “I only get one chance, and I want to help helpless victims. How much more helpless can you be when you’re 2, and you’re dead.”

  • jamz09

    Im a typical no emotion, keep it all in, I can handle anything type of guy. But when the news of this broke….it took my breath away. I can tell you it wrenches my soul to know that I live in Spring and this happened possibly mere miles from my home. Does anyone know where in Spring they lived?

    Hug and Kiss you children as much as you can….

  • jamz09

    Im a typical no emotion, keep it all in, I can handle anything type of guy. But when the news of this broke….it took my breath away. I can tell you it wrenches my soul to know that I live in Spring and this happened possibly mere miles from my home. Does anyone know where in Spring they lived?

    Hug and Kiss you children as much as you can….

  • Gram Oreo

    Kimberly’s Father breaks silence ~

    MENTOR — They say they warned their daughter not to move to Texas prior to the murder of baby Riley
    Kimberly Trenor’s father, stepmother and their best friends want the world to know that the 19 year old murder suspect is not a monster.

    Despite the happy prom pictures taken last year at Mentor High School, they claim Robert Sawyers, the baby’s father was abusive towards Trenor.

    Kimberly wanted to get away from Sawyers and met a new lover, Royce Zeigler, on the internet playing “Worlds of Warcraft”.

    But when Randy and Patty Trenor found out she was planning to move to Texas to join Zeigler, her parents were worried something bad would happen.

    I told her you shouldn’t go down”, recalls her father, Randy. “I told her I think you are making a mistake. But I couldn’t stop her because she was over 18 and she made her own decisions. I couldn’t stop her.”

    Step-mother, Patty Trenor added, “people are making us into horrible persons. They say we should have stopped her and we should have prevented it. But how could we stop her from going?”

    Family friends describe Kimberly as quiet, reserved and unwilling to let the outside world know about her troubles.

    Once she moved to Spring, Texas, they believe Kimberly was living in fear of her new husband, Royce Zeigler.

    Long time family friend, Annie Frost and her husband, Fred, are devastated by the death of Riley.

    “It’s out of her character because she’s not like that,” said Fred Frost. “She was raised in a good household. I mean Patty and Randy love her to pieces. And there’s no way it’s Kimberly. No way!”

    “It’s possible she was part of this, even if it was just covering up,” added Annie. “But you don’t know what she might have been doing out of fear.”

    But Kim’s parents admit that she lied to them about the baby last summer. She kept telling them that Riley was playing or sleeping whenever they called to talk to their granddaughter.

    Today the couple has tears but no answers. The murder suspect’s father wants her to answer some simple questions.

    “I want her to tell me,” said Trenor,”why did you do that? Why did you lie to me on the phone?”

    Wiping back tears, family friend Annie Frost said, “Kimberly is all alone down there. There’s no one there for her.”

    Perhaps the more important question is, who was there for the little blonde child, Riley Sawyers?

  • Gram Oreo

    Kimberly’s Father breaks silence ~

    MENTOR — They say they warned their daughter not to move to Texas prior to the murder of baby Riley
    Kimberly Trenor’s father, stepmother and their best friends want the world to know that the 19 year old murder suspect is not a monster.

    Despite the happy prom pictures taken last year at Mentor High School, they claim Robert Sawyers, the baby’s father was abusive towards Trenor.

    Kimberly wanted to get away from Sawyers and met a new lover, Royce Zeigler, on the internet playing “Worlds of Warcraft”.

    But when Randy and Patty Trenor found out she was planning to move to Texas to join Zeigler, her parents were worried something bad would happen.

    I told her you shouldn’t go down”, recalls her father, Randy. “I told her I think you are making a mistake. But I couldn’t stop her because she was over 18 and she made her own decisions. I couldn’t stop her.”

    Step-mother, Patty Trenor added, “people are making us into horrible persons. They say we should have stopped her and we should have prevented it. But how could we stop her from going?”

    Family friends describe Kimberly as quiet, reserved and unwilling to let the outside world know about her troubles.

    Once she moved to Spring, Texas, they believe Kimberly was living in fear of her new husband, Royce Zeigler.

    Long time family friend, Annie Frost and her husband, Fred, are devastated by the death of Riley.

    “It’s out of her character because she’s not like that,” said Fred Frost. “She was raised in a good household. I mean Patty and Randy love her to pieces. And there’s no way it’s Kimberly. No way!”

    “It’s possible she was part of this, even if it was just covering up,” added Annie. “But you don’t know what she might have been doing out of fear.”

    But Kim’s parents admit that she lied to them about the baby last summer. She kept telling them that Riley was playing or sleeping whenever they called to talk to their granddaughter.

    Today the couple has tears but no answers. The murder suspect’s father wants her to answer some simple questions.

    “I want her to tell me,” said Trenor,”why did you do that? Why did you lie to me on the phone?”

    Wiping back tears, family friend Annie Frost said, “Kimberly is all alone down there. There’s no one there for her.”

    Perhaps the more important question is, who was there for the little blonde child, Riley Sawyers?

  • Gram Oreo

    I remember reading the address. Something like: 7000 (block) Enns. Does that help you. I am surprised that you have not seen that since you are in SPRING!!!

  • Gram Oreo

    I remember reading the address. Something like: 7000 (block) Enns. Does that help you. I am surprised that you have not seen that since you are in SPRING!!!

  • Gram Oreo

    jamz09…..here is the correct address: 7800 block of Enns Lane

  • Gram Oreo

    jamz09…..here is the correct address: 7800 block of Enns Lane

  • dammitall

    I wish we could at least sterilize these motherfuckers with a hammer.

  • dammitall

    I wish we could at least sterilize these motherfuckers with a hammer.

  • Gram Oreo

    Has anyone notice the comment from the article I posted ~ Kimberly’s Father’s comments…. Here is a real breathtaker…..

    Wiping back tears, family friend Annie Frost said, “Kimberly is all alone down there. There’s no one there for her.”

    Well tooooooo damn bad. She went there, what in god’s name would this Annie Frost be thinking…about Kimberly for???? Hey…..she has ROYCE…..had a daughter, that was not good enough, had a hubby in Ohio that was not good enough. So…..let her have her freedom……she will have a lot of friends in jail. LOL LOL LOL…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • Gram Oreo

    Has anyone notice the comment from the article I posted ~ Kimberly’s Father’s comments…. Here is a real breathtaker…..

    Wiping back tears, family friend Annie Frost said, “Kimberly is all alone down there. There’s no one there for her.”

    Well tooooooo damn bad. She went there, what in god’s name would this Annie Frost be thinking…about Kimberly for???? Hey…..she has ROYCE…..had a daughter, that was not good enough, had a hubby in Ohio that was not good enough. So…..let her have her freedom……she will have a lot of friends in jail. LOL LOL LOL…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • dammitall

    “All alone”? Well, gee…she did it to herself. It could be worse, she could be “all alone” in a box in Galveston Bay.

  • dammitall

    “All alone”? Well, gee…she did it to herself. It could be worse, she could be “all alone” in a box in Galveston Bay.

  • txchick1971

    i would like to say……..i am a single mom myself with 14 & 10 yr olds……i tried dabbling in online dating but stepped away very fast….there are weirdos out there and people i would never trust around my kids….it sucks though because i choose not to date in order to protect my kids….and when i read stuff like this about rowan ford and riley sawyers, it just reminds me what comfort i have being single and protecting my kids….but i can see how people so easily fall into the “i need attention” phase……..it’s tough but i work thru it everyday….just makes me stronger i suppose

  • txchick1971

    i would like to say……..i am a single mom myself with 14 & 10 yr olds……i tried dabbling in online dating but stepped away very fast….there are weirdos out there and people i would never trust around my kids….it sucks though because i choose not to date in order to protect my kids….and when i read stuff like this about rowan ford and riley sawyers, it just reminds me what comfort i have being single and protecting my kids….but i can see how people so easily fall into the “i need attention” phase……..it’s tough but i work thru it everyday….just makes me stronger i suppose

  • ashdavus

    This entire story just makes me want to puke. It’s unfathomable how anyone could be so evil. From the mugshots, even my 13 year old says they look like they’re strung out on meth or heroine or something. Here’s what REALLY eats at me, though…. I have a blonde haired, blue eyed little girl born a whopping 10 DAYS before Riley! She is exactly the same age and size as Riley. Every time I look at her, I think of Riley and just cannot understand what kind of INHUMAN MONSTER could do these things to someone so small and helpless. Someone who has no concept of hate or evil. Someone who only knows that she loves mommy, daddy, grandma, brother, sister, papa, etc., etc.

    I take comfort in knowing that justice will be served. Whether they know it or not, these two have already gotten a death sentence. We had a family friend who worked in the prison system years and years ago. He told us once that there is nothing convicted criminals hate more than a child killer. So, if they don’t get the death penalty in the courtroom, they’ll certainly get it in the courtyard! I hope they’re tortured for 14 hours before they die, just like they did to Riley!

  • ashdavus

    This entire story just makes me want to puke. It’s unfathomable how anyone could be so evil. From the mugshots, even my 13 year old says they look like they’re strung out on meth or heroine or something. Here’s what REALLY eats at me, though…. I have a blonde haired, blue eyed little girl born a whopping 10 DAYS before Riley! She is exactly the same age and size as Riley. Every time I look at her, I think of Riley and just cannot understand what kind of INHUMAN MONSTER could do these things to someone so small and helpless. Someone who has no concept of hate or evil. Someone who only knows that she loves mommy, daddy, grandma, brother, sister, papa, etc., etc.

    I take comfort in knowing that justice will be served. Whether they know it or not, these two have already gotten a death sentence. We had a family friend who worked in the prison system years and years ago. He told us once that there is nothing convicted criminals hate more than a child killer. So, if they don’t get the death penalty in the courtroom, they’ll certainly get it in the courtyard! I hope they’re tortured for 14 hours before they die, just like they did to Riley!

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Kimberly’s Father should be picked up for obstruction of justice. He knew where she was and didn’t tell the police.

    May 29: Sawyers files a claim that Trenor failed to give him Riley. Trenor’s father, Randall Trenor, says his daughter and Riley are in Canton and will return in June.

    June 1: Kimberly Trenor and Riley move to Texas, where Trenor, 19, moves in with Royce Clyde Zeigler II, 24, who she met on the Internet.

    June 5: Robert Sawyers’ mother, Sheryl, the court’s go-between, argues with Randall Trenor about Kimberly. Randall tells Mentor police that Kimberly is either in Pennsylvania, Maryland or Virginia.

    He had a number to call her and also knew where she was going before she left.

    “They say they warned their daughter not to move to Texas prior to the murder of baby Riley”

    “Kimberly Trenor’s father, stepmother and their best friends want the world to know that the 19 year old murder suspect is not a monster”.

    Not a Monster than I would like to know what one is?

    If he would have told the police where she was maybe Riley would still be alive.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com warrman69

    Kimberly’s Father should be picked up for obstruction of justice. He knew where she was and didn’t tell the police.

    May 29: Sawyers files a claim that Trenor failed to give him Riley. Trenor’s father, Randall Trenor, says his daughter and Riley are in Canton and will return in June.

    June 1: Kimberly Trenor and Riley move to Texas, where Trenor, 19, moves in with Royce Clyde Zeigler II, 24, who she met on the Internet.

    June 5: Robert Sawyers’ mother, Sheryl, the court’s go-between, argues with Randall Trenor about Kimberly. Randall tells Mentor police that Kimberly is either in Pennsylvania, Maryland or Virginia.

    He had a number to call her and also knew where she was going before she left.

    “They say they warned their daughter not to move to Texas prior to the murder of baby Riley”

    “Kimberly Trenor’s father, stepmother and their best friends want the world to know that the 19 year old murder suspect is not a monster”.

    Not a Monster than I would like to know what one is?

    If he would have told the police where she was maybe Riley would still be alive.

  • pms.247

    I don’t see how anyone – INCLUDING Kim’s parents can defend her in any way. She admitted beating Riley with one of the belts. She was a very active participant. I don’t remember now – it’s still early – but I think she participated in holding her head under water. She’s not a monster? The fact that they feel sorry for Kim is absurd at best.

  • pms.247

    I don’t see how anyone – INCLUDING Kim’s parents can defend her in any way. She admitted beating Riley with one of the belts. She was a very active participant. I don’t remember now – it’s still early – but I think she participated in holding her head under water. She’s not a monster? The fact that they feel sorry for Kim is absurd at best.

  • ells9824

    The tears in the interview were for KIMBERLY,not Riley. Well I’m really sorry that you’re daughter IS ALL ALONE DOWN THERE. She wouldn’t be if she hadn’t stolen that baby from 2 sets of loving grandparents and tortured her to death, then lied to the grandparents about how she was sleeping(in the bottom of a box in a shed,then in a watery grave)so they wouldn’t be question why they weren’t able to talk to her.

    I said this somewhere else,too. All parents have blind spots when it comes to their kids,they are coming to terms with what happened and when they do,that pseudo-mom won’t have a tear shed for her.

  • ells9824

    The tears in the interview were for KIMBERLY,not Riley. Well I’m really sorry that you’re daughter IS ALL ALONE DOWN THERE. She wouldn’t be if she hadn’t stolen that baby from 2 sets of loving grandparents and tortured her to death, then lied to the grandparents about how she was sleeping(in the bottom of a box in a shed,then in a watery grave)so they wouldn’t be question why they weren’t able to talk to her.

    I said this somewhere else,too. All parents have blind spots when it comes to their kids,they are coming to terms with what happened and when they do,that pseudo-mom won’t have a tear shed for her.

  • thepooh5

    Annie Frost, you have got to be kidding – “feel sorry for Kim” and “she’s all alone down there”. Doesn’t sound like she is too devasted over Riley.

    WHAT ABOUT RILEY, ANNIE FROST?

    Damn, I hope she is reading these articles!!!

  • thepooh5

    Annie Frost, you have got to be kidding – “feel sorry for Kim” and “she’s all alone down there”. Doesn’t sound like she is too devasted over Riley.

    WHAT ABOUT RILEY, ANNIE FROST?

    Damn, I hope she is reading these articles!!!

  • Kathy

    HOLY SHIT!!

    I was reading this article:

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/14713928/detail.html

    and stopped DEAD at this sentence.

    “Trenor’s attorney said she is jailed in a medical unit because she is pregnant.”

    WTF! How is it that the dumbest pieces of shit on earth are the most fertile?

  • Kathy

    HOLY SHIT!!

    I was reading this article:

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/14713928/detail.html

    and stopped DEAD at this sentence.

    “Trenor’s attorney said she is jailed in a medical unit because she is pregnant.”

    WTF! How is it that the dumbest pieces of shit on earth are the most fertile?

  • thepooh5

    WTF! How is it that the dumbest pieces of shit on earth are the most fertile?
    Kathy sad but too true. People who try and try for years to get pregnant, cannot. And sorry bitches like her, seem to produce like factories.

    She did not want her first child – why would she want number 2? If she does not abort the baby – it should be taken and placed for adoption immediately if not sooner!!!!

  • thepooh5

    WTF! How is it that the dumbest pieces of shit on earth are the most fertile?
    Kathy sad but too true. People who try and try for years to get pregnant, cannot. And sorry bitches like her, seem to produce like factories.

    She did not want her first child – why would she want number 2? If she does not abort the baby – it should be taken and placed for adoption immediately if not sooner!!!!

  • thepooh5

    WTF! How is it that the dumbest pieces of shit on earth are the most fertile?
    Kathy sad but too true. People who try and try for years to get pregnant, cannot. And sorry bitches like her, seem to produce like factories.

    She did not want her first child – why would she want number 2? If she does not abort the baby – it should be taken and placed for adoption immediately if not sooner!!!!

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Riley’s death resulted from a “discipline plan”
    Yes we all know how bad 2 1/2 year old little girls can be that you would have to come up with a discipline plan that included smashing her head in and killing her.
    You know leaving toys around the house and getting into stuff.
    My little girls at 2 1/2 were little sweet things that all I wanted to do is hug and kiss and most of the time when they did do something wrong I had to hold in the smile as I tried to tell them no and almost crying myself when they started to cry. My discipline plan for them was to make them feel loved and safe, for them to know just because they did something wrong that I still loved them and did not want them to get hurt.
    Fuckers I hope they rott. They are both mosters and both played a part in her death, If the mom was not at fault she would have went to the police the first chance she got. She had no problem going to the police about her former husband.
    Hopefully she will die in child birth so this new baby never knows her sister killing Mom.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Riley’s death resulted from a “discipline plan”
    Yes we all know how bad 2 1/2 year old little girls can be that you would have to come up with a discipline plan that included smashing her head in and killing her.
    You know leaving toys around the house and getting into stuff.
    My little girls at 2 1/2 were little sweet things that all I wanted to do is hug and kiss and most of the time when they did do something wrong I had to hold in the smile as I tried to tell them no and almost crying myself when they started to cry. My discipline plan for them was to make them feel loved and safe, for them to know just because they did something wrong that I still loved them and did not want them to get hurt.
    Fuckers I hope they rott. They are both mosters and both played a part in her death, If the mom was not at fault she would have went to the police the first chance she got. She had no problem going to the police about her former husband.
    Hopefully she will die in child birth so this new baby never knows her sister killing Mom.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com warrman69

    Riley’s death resulted from a “discipline plan”
    Yes we all know how bad 2 1/2 year old little girls can be that you would have to come up with a discipline plan that included smashing her head in and killing her.
    You know leaving toys around the house and getting into stuff.
    My little girls at 2 1/2 were little sweet things that all I wanted to do is hug and kiss and most of the time when they did do something wrong I had to hold in the smile as I tried to tell them no and almost crying myself when they started to cry. My discipline plan for them was to make them feel loved and safe, for them to know just because they did something wrong that I still loved them and did not want them to get hurt.
    Fuckers I hope they rott. They are both mosters and both played a part in her death, If the mom was not at fault she would have went to the police the first chance she got. She had no problem going to the police about her former husband.
    Hopefully she will die in child birth so this new baby never knows her sister killing Mom.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    The defense attorney for Riley Sawyers’ mother said Tuesday that Riley’s death resulted from a “discipline plan” created by Riley’s stepfather, Royce Zeigler.

    Kimberly Trenor claims that on July 24 her husband stayed home from work to implement his plan — to make sure Riley, 2, was spanked with a belt and placed in cold bath water. Riley’s mother allegedly admitted taking part in spankings but blames more of the violence on her husband.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    The defense attorney for Riley Sawyers’ mother said Tuesday that Riley’s death resulted from a “discipline plan” created by Riley’s stepfather, Royce Zeigler.

    Kimberly Trenor claims that on July 24 her husband stayed home from work to implement his plan — to make sure Riley, 2, was spanked with a belt and placed in cold bath water. Riley’s mother allegedly admitted taking part in spankings but blames more of the violence on her husband.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    The defense attorney for Riley Sawyers’ mother said Tuesday that Riley’s death resulted from a “discipline plan” created by Riley’s stepfather, Royce Zeigler.

    Kimberly Trenor claims that on July 24 her husband stayed home from work to implement his plan — to make sure Riley, 2, was spanked with a belt and placed in cold bath water. Riley’s mother allegedly admitted taking part in spankings but blames more of the violence on her husband.

  • pms.247

    Attorney Neal Davis said he believes Riley’s death was a horrible accident and that together they hid Riley’s body in a storage shed and later dumped her in Galveston Bay out of fear.

    Trenor alleged that the girl’s stepfather threw Riley, causing the girl to hit her head.

    That doesn’t sound like an accident to me. Defense attorneys are unbelievable!!!

  • pms.247

    Attorney Neal Davis said he believes Riley’s death was a horrible accident and that together they hid Riley’s body in a storage shed and later dumped her in Galveston Bay out of fear.

    Trenor alleged that the girl’s stepfather threw Riley, causing the girl to hit her head.

    That doesn’t sound like an accident to me. Defense attorneys are unbelievable!!!

  • pms.247

    Attorney Neal Davis said he believes Riley’s death was a horrible accident and that together they hid Riley’s body in a storage shed and later dumped her in Galveston Bay out of fear.

    Trenor alleged that the girl’s stepfather threw Riley, causing the girl to hit her head.

    That doesn’t sound like an accident to me. Defense attorneys are unbelievable!!!

  • Rosie

    I just read this article and was very surprised to find she was having another baby – was the girl married to this guy? I thought her parents referred to him as her husband. And I wonder what parenting books they read to come up with their discipline plan???

    And to the person that said people try for years to have children and then pieces of shit like her are as fertile as can be – I am one of the people who tried for years and couldn’t and then adopted at the age of 45. I am over the years of pain of being without a child, my son has healed me. This will be our second Christmas together and the second Christmas that I won’t be depressed and cry. I pray for my son’s birth Mother that she is safe and I thank God for her that she had enough sense to know she couldn’t raise him and let him be adopted. From what I’m told my son wasn’t treated the best in his first couple of years of life but I am truly thankful that she didn’t hurt him or let some boyfriend molest him or kill him. Sometimes I tell my husband that I would like to adopt a child from the foster care system and he reminds me that we have done that, but I still have the need to save a child.

  • Rosie

    I just read this article and was very surprised to find she was having another baby – was the girl married to this guy? I thought her parents referred to him as her husband. And I wonder what parenting books they read to come up with their discipline plan???

    And to the person that said people try for years to have children and then pieces of shit like her are as fertile as can be – I am one of the people who tried for years and couldn’t and then adopted at the age of 45. I am over the years of pain of being without a child, my son has healed me. This will be our second Christmas together and the second Christmas that I won’t be depressed and cry. I pray for my son’s birth Mother that she is safe and I thank God for her that she had enough sense to know she couldn’t raise him and let him be adopted. From what I’m told my son wasn’t treated the best in his first couple of years of life but I am truly thankful that she didn’t hurt him or let some boyfriend molest him or kill him. Sometimes I tell my husband that I would like to adopt a child from the foster care system and he reminds me that we have done that, but I still have the need to save a child.

  • Rosie

    I just read this article and was very surprised to find she was having another baby – was the girl married to this guy? I thought her parents referred to him as her husband. And I wonder what parenting books they read to come up with their discipline plan???

    And to the person that said people try for years to have children and then pieces of shit like her are as fertile as can be – I am one of the people who tried for years and couldn’t and then adopted at the age of 45. I am over the years of pain of being without a child, my son has healed me. This will be our second Christmas together and the second Christmas that I won’t be depressed and cry. I pray for my son’s birth Mother that she is safe and I thank God for her that she had enough sense to know she couldn’t raise him and let him be adopted. From what I’m told my son wasn’t treated the best in his first couple of years of life but I am truly thankful that she didn’t hurt him or let some boyfriend molest him or kill him. Sometimes I tell my husband that I would like to adopt a child from the foster care system and he reminds me that we have done that, but I still have the need to save a child.

  • ashdavus

    Oh FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! The stepfather’s attorney says he is remorseful???!!! Did that idiot look at the monster’s mugshot? He doesn’t look very fucking remorseful to me!! Looks more like he’d beat his wife too until she miscarried because he hates kids. What a piece of shit!

  • ashdavus

    Oh FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! The stepfather’s attorney says he is remorseful???!!! Did that idiot look at the monster’s mugshot? He doesn’t look very fucking remorseful to me!! Looks more like he’d beat his wife too until she miscarried because he hates kids. What a piece of shit!

  • ashdavus

    Oh FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! The stepfather’s attorney says he is remorseful???!!! Did that idiot look at the monster’s mugshot? He doesn’t look very fucking remorseful to me!! Looks more like he’d beat his wife too until she miscarried because he hates kids. What a piece of shit!

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I wouldn’t go by mugshots to determine the feelings of the person being photographed, be it remorseful or not. Hell, my drivers license makes me look like a deranged ax murderer who eats children. Granted, I look like that normally, but still, I KNEW I was being photographed that day.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I wouldn’t go by mugshots to determine the feelings of the person being photographed, be it remorseful or not. Hell, my drivers license makes me look like a deranged ax murderer who eats children. Granted, I look like that normally, but still, I KNEW I was being photographed that day.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I wouldn’t go by mugshots to determine the feelings of the person being photographed, be it remorseful or not. Hell, my drivers license makes me look like a deranged ax murderer who eats children. Granted, I look like that normally, but still, I KNEW I was being photographed that day.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I wouldn’t go by mugshots to determine the feelings of the person being photographed, be it remorseful or not. Hell, my drivers license makes me look like a deranged ax murderer who eats children. Granted, I look like that normally, but still, I KNEW I was being photographed that day.

  • Gram Oreo

    Getting ready for work today, I read several articles. Will have to go back tonight and find the article that stated……..

    Royce was doing discipline on Riley. He even stayed home from work that day. He was going to teach her how to say – - – NO SIR — and – - YES SIR.

    That god damn fat assed fucking slob….. Kimberly is just as guilty. She knew what was happening. She could have left, the same way she got down there. However, she participated in these horendous events, along with fat ass….. Can you imagine….. Don’t anyone say…..she was a prisoner there either….he went to work, she could have contacted the police, just as she had done with Robert Sawyer. NO EXCUSE……NO EXCUSE…..NO EXCUSE….

  • Gram Oreo

    Getting ready for work today, I read several articles. Will have to go back tonight and find the article that stated……..

    Royce was doing discipline on Riley. He even stayed home from work that day. He was going to teach her how to say – - – NO SIR — and – - YES SIR.

    That god damn fat assed fucking slob….. Kimberly is just as guilty. She knew what was happening. She could have left, the same way she got down there. However, she participated in these horendous events, along with fat ass….. Can you imagine….. Don’t anyone say…..she was a prisoner there either….he went to work, she could have contacted the police, just as she had done with Robert Sawyer. NO EXCUSE……NO EXCUSE…..NO EXCUSE….

  • Gram Oreo

    Getting ready for work today, I read several articles. Will have to go back tonight and find the article that stated……..

    Royce was doing discipline on Riley. He even stayed home from work that day. He was going to teach her how to say – - – NO SIR — and – - YES SIR.

    That god damn fat assed fucking slob….. Kimberly is just as guilty. She knew what was happening. She could have left, the same way she got down there. However, she participated in these horendous events, along with fat ass….. Can you imagine….. Don’t anyone say…..she was a prisoner there either….he went to work, she could have contacted the police, just as she had done with Robert Sawyer. NO EXCUSE……NO EXCUSE…..NO EXCUSE….

  • Gram Oreo

    Getting ready for work today, I read several articles. Will have to go back tonight and find the article that stated……..

    Royce was doing discipline on Riley. He even stayed home from work that day. He was going to teach her how to say – - – NO SIR — and – - YES SIR.

    That god damn fat assed fucking slob….. Kimberly is just as guilty. She knew what was happening. She could have left, the same way she got down there. However, she participated in these horendous events, along with fat ass….. Can you imagine….. Don’t anyone say…..she was a prisoner there either….he went to work, she could have contacted the police, just as she had done with Robert Sawyer. NO EXCUSE……NO EXCUSE…..NO EXCUSE….

  • Gram Oreo

    Was all well and good when a woman was coming down to be his MISTRESS…sure the child was welcome, however, when fat ass realized that a youngster had to be loved and cuddled and parents spend time with the child, obviously he found her to be in the middle of he and Kim.

    Maybe he felt that Riley was taking affection away from him. So…what better way than to do away with her.

    Why didn’t he just do away with KIM and let Riley go back to be with her loving grandparents.

  • Gram Oreo

    Was all well and good when a woman was coming down to be his MISTRESS…sure the child was welcome, however, when fat ass realized that a youngster had to be loved and cuddled and parents spend time with the child, obviously he found her to be in the middle of he and Kim.

    Maybe he felt that Riley was taking affection away from him. So…what better way than to do away with her.

    Why didn’t he just do away with KIM and let Riley go back to be with her loving grandparents.

  • Gram Oreo

    Was all well and good when a woman was coming down to be his MISTRESS…sure the child was welcome, however, when fat ass realized that a youngster had to be loved and cuddled and parents spend time with the child, obviously he found her to be in the middle of he and Kim.

    Maybe he felt that Riley was taking affection away from him. So…what better way than to do away with her.

    Why didn’t he just do away with KIM and let Riley go back to be with her loving grandparents.

  • Gram Oreo

    Was all well and good when a woman was coming down to be his MISTRESS…sure the child was welcome, however, when fat ass realized that a youngster had to be loved and cuddled and parents spend time with the child, obviously he found her to be in the middle of he and Kim.

    Maybe he felt that Riley was taking affection away from him. So…what better way than to do away with her.

    Why didn’t he just do away with KIM and let Riley go back to be with her loving grandparents.

  • JUSTAMOM2

    Don’t these people realize if they don’t want a little angel like this there are so many people wanting to adopt. Good god, if you are beating a child, leave it for others to raise!!! These people drive me CRAZY!

  • JUSTAMOM2

    Don’t these people realize if they don’t want a little angel like this there are so many people wanting to adopt. Good god, if you are beating a child, leave it for others to raise!!! These people drive me CRAZY!

  • JUSTAMOM2

    Don’t these people realize if they don’t want a little angel like this there are so many people wanting to adopt. Good god, if you are beating a child, leave it for others to raise!!! These people drive me CRAZY!

  • JUSTAMOM2

    Don’t these people realize if they don’t want a little angel like this there are so many people wanting to adopt. Good god, if you are beating a child, leave it for others to raise!!! These people drive me CRAZY!

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Riley was supposed answer questions with a ‘yes sir’,’ no sir’ and ask for things a specific way. When she didn’t, the mother’s lawyer tell us, Riley was struck with a belt.

    Court documents released yesterday reveal Riley’s stepfather then, “picked Riley up by her hair and he also threw Riley across the room, which caused her head to head to slam into the tile floor.

    The mother’s lawyer says the two-year-old was brutalized on and off over a 5 to 6 hour period that July day.

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id;=5788310

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Riley was supposed answer questions with a ‘yes sir’,’ no sir’ and ask for things a specific way. When she didn’t, the mother’s lawyer tell us, Riley was struck with a belt.

    Court documents released yesterday reveal Riley’s stepfather then, “picked Riley up by her hair and he also threw Riley across the room, which caused her head to head to slam into the tile floor.

    The mother’s lawyer says the two-year-old was brutalized on and off over a 5 to 6 hour period that July day.

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id;=5788310

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Riley was supposed answer questions with a ‘yes sir’,’ no sir’ and ask for things a specific way. When she didn’t, the mother’s lawyer tell us, Riley was struck with a belt.

    Court documents released yesterday reveal Riley’s stepfather then, “picked Riley up by her hair and he also threw Riley across the room, which caused her head to head to slam into the tile floor.

    The mother’s lawyer says the two-year-old was brutalized on and off over a 5 to 6 hour period that July day.

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id;=5788310

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Riley was supposed answer questions with a ‘yes sir’,’ no sir’ and ask for things a specific way. When she didn’t, the mother’s lawyer tell us, Riley was struck with a belt.

    Court documents released yesterday reveal Riley’s stepfather then, “picked Riley up by her hair and he also threw Riley across the room, which caused her head to head to slam into the tile floor.

    The mother’s lawyer says the two-year-old was brutalized on and off over a 5 to 6 hour period that July day.

    http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5788310

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Now I am really sick Thanks Morbid.
    That Fat fucking hunch of shit, yes sir no sir she was 2 1/2. What was with the belt? at 2 1/2 you have to just look at them wrong and they start to cry. Motherfucker You have to earn respect even from a child, if you don’t respect them why the fuck should they respect you, oh ya you can pick them up and kill them, what an asshole.
    Sorry this is just pissing me off more.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Now I am really sick Thanks Morbid.
    That Fat fucking hunch of shit, yes sir no sir she was 2 1/2. What was with the belt? at 2 1/2 you have to just look at them wrong and they start to cry. Motherfucker You have to earn respect even from a child, if you don’t respect them why the fuck should they respect you, oh ya you can pick them up and kill them, what an asshole.
    Sorry this is just pissing me off more.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Now I am really sick Thanks Morbid.
    That Fat fucking hunch of shit, yes sir no sir she was 2 1/2. What was with the belt? at 2 1/2 you have to just look at them wrong and they start to cry. Motherfucker You have to earn respect even from a child, if you don’t respect them why the fuck should they respect you, oh ya you can pick them up and kill them, what an asshole.
    Sorry this is just pissing me off more.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com warrman69

    Now I am really sick Thanks Morbid.
    That Fat fucking hunch of shit, yes sir no sir she was 2 1/2. What was with the belt? at 2 1/2 you have to just look at them wrong and they start to cry. Motherfucker You have to earn respect even from a child, if you don’t respect them why the fuck should they respect you, oh ya you can pick them up and kill them, what an asshole.
    Sorry this is just pissing me off more.

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is another thought.

    I wonder WHO ACTUALLY is the father of this child she is supposedly pregnant with.

    Do you think…..that it could perhaps be Robert’s??? She wanted out of the relationship, found out she was pregnant, went finally to meet the asshole in Texas, and then claimed it was his child.

    Or led him to believe it is his child.

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is another thought.

    I wonder WHO ACTUALLY is the father of this child she is supposedly pregnant with.

    Do you think…..that it could perhaps be Robert’s??? She wanted out of the relationship, found out she was pregnant, went finally to meet the asshole in Texas, and then claimed it was his child.

    Or led him to believe it is his child.

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is another thought.

    I wonder WHO ACTUALLY is the father of this child she is supposedly pregnant with.

    Do you think…..that it could perhaps be Robert’s??? She wanted out of the relationship, found out she was pregnant, went finally to meet the asshole in Texas, and then claimed it was his child.

    Or led him to believe it is his child.

  • Gram Oreo

    Here is another thought.

    I wonder WHO ACTUALLY is the father of this child she is supposedly pregnant with.

    Do you think…..that it could perhaps be Robert’s??? She wanted out of the relationship, found out she was pregnant, went finally to meet the asshole in Texas, and then claimed it was his child.

    Or led him to believe it is his child.

  • JUSTAMOM2

    warman69, I’m totally with you on that one! The only thing my 2 year olds said clearly was No, don’t wanna! They also said I love you and cute stuff but a yes sir or no sir, oh I SO don’t think so! And then she’s pregnant again? OMG. These two are poster children for birth control!

  • JUSTAMOM2

    warman69, I’m totally with you on that one! The only thing my 2 year olds said clearly was No, don’t wanna! They also said I love you and cute stuff but a yes sir or no sir, oh I SO don’t think so! And then she’s pregnant again? OMG. These two are poster children for birth control!

  • JUSTAMOM2

    warman69, I’m totally with you on that one! The only thing my 2 year olds said clearly was No, don’t wanna! They also said I love you and cute stuff but a yes sir or no sir, oh I SO don’t think so! And then she’s pregnant again? OMG. These two are poster children for birth control!

  • JUSTAMOM2

    warman69, I’m totally with you on that one! The only thing my 2 year olds said clearly was No, don’t wanna! They also said I love you and cute stuff but a yes sir or no sir, oh I SO don’t think so! And then she’s pregnant again? OMG. These two are poster children for birth control!

  • Gram Oreo

    Well, her family has stepped forward with their comments, and sympathy.

    Royce’s family ~ MUST HAVE KNOWN WHAT KIND OF A SON HE WAS…..NOT ONE WORD FROM THEM.

  • Gram Oreo

    Well, her family has stepped forward with their comments, and sympathy.

    Royce’s family ~ MUST HAVE KNOWN WHAT KIND OF A SON HE WAS…..NOT ONE WORD FROM THEM.

  • Gram Oreo

    Well, her family has stepped forward with their comments, and sympathy.

    Royce’s family ~ MUST HAVE KNOWN WHAT KIND OF A SON HE WAS…..NOT ONE WORD FROM THEM.

  • Gram Oreo

    Well, her family has stepped forward with their comments, and sympathy.

    Royce’s family ~ MUST HAVE KNOWN WHAT KIND OF A SON HE WAS…..NOT ONE WORD FROM THEM.

  • thepooh5

    Just read the latest article – sicker than I was.

    Kim was intimidated – BULLSHIT!!!! Can I just go kick her ass myself – lying, sorry bitch!!! What kind of mother allows any man (birth father or step-father) to whip a 2 yr old with a belt? requires the 2 yr old to say yes sir & no sir?
    It is beyond my comprehension – how she could even start to consider staying with this bastard, much less help him cover it up. SORRY BITCH!!!! DAMN AND DOUBLE DAMN!!!

    I wander if the sorry POS boyfriend even knew she was pregnant with another child – or is she? Surely the cops did a pregnancy test to see if she is truly pregnant or just looking for protection from other women prisoners? Sorry bitch – ranking higher than Colleenbitch – at least that sorry bitch was not an active participant – stupid and useless, yes – but not an actual participant as is this SORRY BITCH!!!! Blood is boiling again!

  • thepooh5

    Just read the latest article – sicker than I was.

    Kim was intimidated – BULLSHIT!!!! Can I just go kick her ass myself – lying, sorry bitch!!! What kind of mother allows any man (birth father or step-father) to whip a 2 yr old with a belt? requires the 2 yr old to say yes sir & no sir?
    It is beyond my comprehension – how she could even start to consider staying with this bastard, much less help him cover it up. SORRY BITCH!!!! DAMN AND DOUBLE DAMN!!!

    I wander if the sorry POS boyfriend even knew she was pregnant with another child – or is she? Surely the cops did a pregnancy test to see if she is truly pregnant or just looking for protection from other women prisoners? Sorry bitch – ranking higher than Colleenbitch – at least that sorry bitch was not an active participant – stupid and useless, yes – but not an actual participant as is this SORRY BITCH!!!! Blood is boiling again!

  • thepooh5

    Just read the latest article – sicker than I was.

    Kim was intimidated – BULLSHIT!!!! Can I just go kick her ass myself – lying, sorry bitch!!! What kind of mother allows any man (birth father or step-father) to whip a 2 yr old with a belt? requires the 2 yr old to say yes sir & no sir?
    It is beyond my comprehension – how she could even start to consider staying with this bastard, much less help him cover it up. SORRY BITCH!!!! DAMN AND DOUBLE DAMN!!!

    I wander if the sorry POS boyfriend even knew she was pregnant with another child – or is she? Surely the cops did a pregnancy test to see if she is truly pregnant or just looking for protection from other women prisoners? Sorry bitch – ranking higher than Colleenbitch – at least that sorry bitch was not an active participant – stupid and useless, yes – but not an actual participant as is this SORRY BITCH!!!! Blood is boiling again!

  • Wonder

    RIP Riley Bless your Heart
    I wished you could of stayed with your
    Grandma Sheryl and your Dad.

    For those of you that are in domestic courts or will be one day.
    My divorce papers say that I must reside in ___ this county.

    It has restricted me from moving where I have lived all my life.
    I would like to move somewhere else but I never lived no where else

    so therefore I wouldn’t know where I would like to live.

    Someone mentions why he didn’t stop her is because …
    For one the Court System Moves Way too Slow
    two he had just gotten that domestic violence charge on him
    three Randy – Trevors Father outright lied to Sheryl and Robert of her where abouts

    Trevors Parents by looking at them don’t look too smart
    They even returned the court summons un opened back to the courts

    Trevor should have capious charges on her in Ohio for
    not appearing in the courts

    Trevor should have Fraud by Deception Charges for making false report that child welfare came and took the poor baby OH I wished that they had.

    If she does make bail I hope that they expidict her
    Altho I would prefer to her to remain in Texas with no family near her forever

    I have been reading lots of these post
    and I keep seeing that “Do away with them just take them out of this world”

    I honest do agree with that when there is no doubt in innocence I don’t believe the constitution should have to be upheld. I think that cruel and imhuman rule should be expelled. I would like to see Them all put in a warehouse with shackles and nailed to the wall within about 14 days or so they would die from starvation and leave their bones there don’t even bother to remove the debrise. Save the Tax papers money for something of value to the functional humas invest the money in church and youth programs

    You probably would want your childs remains to bury if it were your monster, I mean child – I have always told my kids if they got detention they would walk home. I told them if they were to get arrested tthat they can’t call me I have called from jails all blocked.

    I understand trevor and ziegler’s Families are all in denial
    and so is Spears and Collings families .. no we can’t see the future but if they say they did it then face the facts they did it and they got themselves in the mess so let them get thereselves out. and If they want to hang themselves then vote to allow the justice system to stop protecting them from doing so.

  • Wonder

    RIP Riley Bless your Heart
    I wished you could of stayed with your
    Grandma Sheryl and your Dad.

    For those of you that are in domestic courts or will be one day.
    My divorce papers say that I must reside in ___ this county.

    It has restricted me from moving where I have lived all my life.
    I would like to move somewhere else but I never lived no where else

    so therefore I wouldn’t know where I would like to live.

    Someone mentions why he didn’t stop her is because …
    For one the Court System Moves Way too Slow
    two he had just gotten that domestic violence charge on him
    three Randy – Trevors Father outright lied to Sheryl and Robert of her where abouts

    Trevors Parents by looking at them don’t look too smart
    They even returned the court summons un opened back to the courts

    Trevor should have capious charges on her in Ohio for
    not appearing in the courts

    Trevor should have Fraud by Deception Charges for making false report that child welfare came and took the poor baby OH I wished that they had.

    If she does make bail I hope that they expidict her
    Altho I would prefer to her to remain in Texas with no family near her forever

    I have been reading lots of these post
    and I keep seeing that “Do away with them just take them out of this world”

    I honest do agree with that when there is no doubt in innocence I don’t believe the constitution should have to be upheld. I think that cruel and imhuman rule should be expelled. I would like to see Them all put in a warehouse with shackles and nailed to the wall within about 14 days or so they would die from starvation and leave their bones there don’t even bother to remove the debrise. Save the Tax papers money for something of value to the functional humas invest the money in church and youth programs

    You probably would want your childs remains to bury if it were your monster, I mean child – I have always told my kids if they got detention they would walk home. I told them if they were to get arrested tthat they can’t call me I have called from jails all blocked.

    I understand trevor and ziegler’s Families are all in denial
    and so is Spears and Collings families .. no we can’t see the future but if they say they did it then face the facts they did it and they got themselves in the mess so let them get thereselves out. and If they want to hang themselves then vote to allow the justice system to stop protecting them from doing so.

  • Wonder

    RIP Riley Bless your Heart
    I wished you could of stayed with your
    Grandma Sheryl and your Dad.

    For those of you that are in domestic courts or will be one day.
    My divorce papers say that I must reside in ___ this county.

    It has restricted me from moving where I have lived all my life.
    I would like to move somewhere else but I never lived no where else

    so therefore I wouldn’t know where I would like to live.

    Someone mentions why he didn’t stop her is because …
    For one the Court System Moves Way too Slow
    two he had just gotten that domestic violence charge on him
    three Randy – Trevors Father outright lied to Sheryl and Robert of her where abouts

    Trevors Parents by looking at them don’t look too smart
    They even returned the court summons un opened back to the courts

    Trevor should have capious charges on her in Ohio for
    not appearing in the courts

    Trevor should have Fraud by Deception Charges for making false report that child welfare came and took the poor baby OH I wished that they had.

    If she does make bail I hope that they expidict her
    Altho I would prefer to her to remain in Texas with no family near her forever

    I have been reading lots of these post
    and I keep seeing that “Do away with them just take them out of this world”

    I honest do agree with that when there is no doubt in innocence I don’t believe the constitution should have to be upheld. I think that cruel and imhuman rule should be expelled. I would like to see Them all put in a warehouse with shackles and nailed to the wall within about 14 days or so they would die from starvation and leave their bones there don’t even bother to remove the debrise. Save the Tax papers money for something of value to the functional humas invest the money in church and youth programs

    You probably would want your childs remains to bury if it were your monster, I mean child – I have always told my kids if they got detention they would walk home. I told them if they were to get arrested tthat they can’t call me I have called from jails all blocked.

    I understand trevor and ziegler’s Families are all in denial
    and so is Spears and Collings families .. no we can’t see the future but if they say they did it then face the facts they did it and they got themselves in the mess so let them get thereselves out. and If they want to hang themselves then vote to allow the justice system to stop protecting them from doing so.

  • Wonder

    right now i have only read to # 47 but

    I want to bring this to everyones attention

    Trevor is Pregnant !

    what are the laws in that Texas prison about keeping a newborn ?

    This just sickin’s me to death

    just imagine a baby made by two monsters if in fact it is zieglers child

    they have different last names I am still questioning if they did get married

    and failed to change the social security card

    I know most people have a problem with a boyfriend/stepfather ~ girlfriend/stepmother having the authority to discipline – only thing we ever used was time out and so many mins per their age is tyhe normal rule so 2 mins on a blanket – yep I have watched some nanny 911 shows.

    but that was after my kids were older so I have to say reading books and the daycare centers advice is where I orginally got that rule

    _____________

    My other question would be if she carried Riley during pregnacy and then lived two years with the Sawyers until march 30th – then how can he already have a 2 month old baby. bay conceived in Jan ?

    JUST A THOUGHT…

    I don’t understand online lovers but the fact she did move out of state to be with a man (Neither of them knowing the other) Would be in such a hurry to marry and get pregnant for spite?

    according to the timeline post # 33

    boyfriend (sawyers) had another girl pregnant that would be extremely emotional to have to bare.

    then just maybe would of got right in a new relationship and got pregnant to get even. Maybe Ziegler was controlling Told her the Deal is I run this house my way – which includes the child disaplining.

    Parents Trevor http://www.click2houston.com/video/14708195/index.html (parents, Friends Defend Baby Grace’s Mother)
    Parents Sawyers http://www.khou.com/video/news-index.html?nvid=196002&shu=1
    Parents Zieglers http://www.click2houston.com/video/14708195/index.html (Mother, Stepfather Tell Different Stories About Girl’s Death)

    I watch these videos and just cry for these families
    I am sad they say they had 250 leads and at the end of this video
    they say there are hundreds of other familys looking for missing children with that discription and they do mention the emotions when they were at the Zieglers home if I heard that correctly.

    if I did that right the videos should work (click2houston) doesnt allow a url to be copied

  • Wonder

    right now i have only read to # 47 but

    I want to bring this to everyones attention

    Trevor is Pregnant !

    what are the laws in that Texas prison about keeping a newborn ?

    This just sickin’s me to death

    just imagine a baby made by two monsters if in fact it is zieglers child

    they have different last names I am still questioning if they did get married

    and failed to change the social security card

    I know most people have a problem with a boyfriend/stepfather ~ girlfriend/stepmother having the authority to discipline – only thing we ever used was time out and so many mins per their age is tyhe normal rule so 2 mins on a blanket – yep I have watched some nanny 911 shows.

    but that was after my kids were older so I have to say reading books and the daycare centers advice is where I orginally got that rule

    _____________

    My other question would be if she carried Riley during pregnacy and then lived two years with the Sawyers until march 30th – then how can he already have a 2 month old baby. bay conceived in Jan ?

    JUST A THOUGHT…

    I don’t understand online lovers but the fact she did move out of state to be with a man (Neither of them knowing the other) Would be in such a hurry to marry and get pregnant for spite?

    according to the timeline post # 33

    boyfriend (sawyers) had another girl pregnant that would be extremely emotional to have to bare.

    then just maybe would of got right in a new relationship and got pregnant to get even. Maybe Ziegler was controlling Told her the Deal is I run this house my way – which includes the child disaplining.

    Parents Trevor http://www.click2houston.com/video/14708195/index.html (parents, Friends Defend Baby Grace’s Mother)
    Parents Sawyers http://www.khou.com/video/news-index.html?nvid=196002&shu=1
    Parents Zieglers http://www.click2houston.com/video/14708195/index.html (Mother, Stepfather Tell Different Stories About Girl’s Death)

    I watch these videos and just cry for these families
    I am sad they say they had 250 leads and at the end of this video
    they say there are hundreds of other familys looking for missing children with that discription and they do mention the emotions when they were at the Zieglers home if I heard that correctly.

    if I did that right the videos should work (click2houston) doesnt allow a url to be copied

  • Wonder

    correction ooops
    * Trenor
    * Zeigler

  • Wonder

    correction ooops
    * Trenor
    * Zeigler

  • Wonder

    correction ooops
    * Trenor
    * Zeigler

  • Wonder

    correction ooops
    * Trenor
    * Zeigler

  • eyeforaneye

    The poor fat guy is remorseful??? Of course he is why wouldn’t he say that… he got caught… and he tried to commit suicide… There is no way in hell that he should get off the easy after taking this little girls life.. he should die a horrible and painful death maybe by bashing his head into the ground.. seems like that may be the way that he would like to die…I just get so upset at these idiots in the world that they are just such a poor excuse for a human…

  • eyeforaneye

    The poor fat guy is remorseful??? Of course he is why wouldn’t he say that… he got caught… and he tried to commit suicide… There is no way in hell that he should get off the easy after taking this little girls life.. he should die a horrible and painful death maybe by bashing his head into the ground.. seems like that may be the way that he would like to die…I just get so upset at these idiots in the world that they are just such a poor excuse for a human…

  • eyeforaneye

    The poor fat guy is remorseful??? Of course he is why wouldn’t he say that… he got caught… and he tried to commit suicide… There is no way in hell that he should get off the easy after taking this little girls life.. he should die a horrible and painful death maybe by bashing his head into the ground.. seems like that may be the way that he would like to die…I just get so upset at these idiots in the world that they are just such a poor excuse for a human…

  • eyeforaneye

    The poor fat guy is remorseful??? Of course he is why wouldn’t he say that… he got caught… and he tried to commit suicide… There is no way in hell that he should get off the easy after taking this little girls life.. he should die a horrible and painful death maybe by bashing his head into the ground.. seems like that may be the way that he would like to die…I just get so upset at these idiots in the world that they are just such a poor excuse for a human…

  • Wonder

    oh this is quite halarious QUOTE by morbid Hell, my drivers license makes me look like a deranged ax murderer who eats children. Granted

    guess the rules “If I can’t have you then no one will” refers not only to adults but babies also.

    rather cruel but then again cool bath water in July – whoopins with belts and face down in pillows and you wouldn’t be fighting that bastard off your child when I agree with all of you that you couldn’t handle the abuse when you parked your car in Sawyers spot you pressed charges on him because he had replaced you and had another young girl preggo’s

    She claims that she didnt do it now that she confessed – but admitted that they went to walmart to buy sterilite storage container to drop off over the causeway into the bay. doubt a prayer was said they didn’t even see it float away with gracie… just hightailed it back on the road before someone saw them dumping a storage container.

    makes me wonder did he go to work the day after and claim he had a stomach flu. the day before.

    ** maybe she is in the medical unit at the prison getting an abortion and fixed
    scares me to think that child maybe the next freddie

  • Wonder

    oh this is quite halarious QUOTE by morbid Hell, my drivers license makes me look like a deranged ax murderer who eats children. Granted

    guess the rules “If I can’t have you then no one will” refers not only to adults but babies also.

    rather cruel but then again cool bath water in July – whoopins with belts and face down in pillows and you wouldn’t be fighting that bastard off your child when I agree with all of you that you couldn’t handle the abuse when you parked your car in Sawyers spot you pressed charges on him because he had replaced you and had another young girl preggo’s

    She claims that she didnt do it now that she confessed – but admitted that they went to walmart to buy sterilite storage container to drop off over the causeway into the bay. doubt a prayer was said they didn’t even see it float away with gracie… just hightailed it back on the road before someone saw them dumping a storage container.

    makes me wonder did he go to work the day after and claim he had a stomach flu. the day before.

    ** maybe she is in the medical unit at the prison getting an abortion and fixed
    scares me to think that child maybe the next freddie

  • Wonder

    oh this is quite halarious QUOTE by morbid Hell, my drivers license makes me look like a deranged ax murderer who eats children. Granted

    guess the rules “If I can’t have you then no one will” refers not only to adults but babies also.

    rather cruel but then again cool bath water in July – whoopins with belts and face down in pillows and you wouldn’t be fighting that bastard off your child when I agree with all of you that you couldn’t handle the abuse when you parked your car in Sawyers spot you pressed charges on him because he had replaced you and had another young girl preggo’s

    She claims that she didnt do it now that she confessed – but admitted that they went to walmart to buy sterilite storage container to drop off over the causeway into the bay. doubt a prayer was said they didn’t even see it float away with gracie… just hightailed it back on the road before someone saw them dumping a storage container.

    makes me wonder did he go to work the day after and claim he had a stomach flu. the day before.

    ** maybe she is in the medical unit at the prison getting an abortion and fixed
    scares me to think that child maybe the next freddie

  • Wonder

    oh this is quite halarious QUOTE by morbid Hell, my drivers license makes me look like a deranged ax murderer who eats children. Granted

    guess the rules “If I can’t have you then no one will” refers not only to adults but babies also.

    rather cruel but then again cool bath water in July – whoopins with belts and face down in pillows and you wouldn’t be fighting that bastard off your child when I agree with all of you that you couldn’t handle the abuse when you parked your car in Sawyers spot you pressed charges on him because he had replaced you and had another young girl preggo’s

    She claims that she didnt do it now that she confessed – but admitted that they went to walmart to buy sterilite storage container to drop off over the causeway into the bay. doubt a prayer was said they didn’t even see it float away with gracie… just hightailed it back on the road before someone saw them dumping a storage container.

    makes me wonder did he go to work the day after and claim he had a stomach flu. the day before.

    ** maybe she is in the medical unit at the prison getting an abortion and fixed
    scares me to think that child maybe the next freddie

  • Gram Oreo

    Love Lingers for Riley ~

    Breaking News: Local Memorial in place for Baby Riley Ann Sawyers
    11/28/2007

    Brunner Funeral Home and Cremation Center in Mentor,Ohio has erected a cross for area residents to pay tribute to 2-year-old Riley Ann Sawyers.

    Riley, from Mentor, was reportedly killed in Spring, Texas, shortly after her mother moved her there this spring. Her mother and stepfather have been arrested in connection with her death.

    Riley’s body is not expected to be released from Texas authorities for at least two weeks. But the funeral home, located at 8466 Mentor Ave., has erected a cross with Riley’s picture so residents here can pay their respects to the blonde-haired little girl.

    In addition, Riley will be remembered at Brunner Funeral Home’s annual Tree of Remembrance Service at 1 p.m. Sunday on the lawn at 8466 Mentor Ave., Mentor.

  • Gram Oreo

    Love Lingers for Riley ~

    Breaking News: Local Memorial in place for Baby Riley Ann Sawyers
    11/28/2007

    Brunner Funeral Home and Cremation Center in Mentor,Ohio has erected a cross for area residents to pay tribute to 2-year-old Riley Ann Sawyers.

    Riley, from Mentor, was reportedly killed in Spring, Texas, shortly after her mother moved her there this spring. Her mother and stepfather have been arrested in connection with her death.

    Riley’s body is not expected to be released from Texas authorities for at least two weeks. But the funeral home, located at 8466 Mentor Ave., has erected a cross with Riley’s picture so residents here can pay their respects to the blonde-haired little girl.

    In addition, Riley will be remembered at Brunner Funeral Home’s annual Tree of Remembrance Service at 1 p.m. Sunday on the lawn at 8466 Mentor Ave., Mentor.

  • Gram Oreo

    Love Lingers for Riley ~

    Breaking News: Local Memorial in place for Baby Riley Ann Sawyers
    11/28/2007

    Brunner Funeral Home and Cremation Center in Mentor,Ohio has erected a cross for area residents to pay tribute to 2-year-old Riley Ann Sawyers.

    Riley, from Mentor, was reportedly killed in Spring, Texas, shortly after her mother moved her there this spring. Her mother and stepfather have been arrested in connection with her death.

    Riley’s body is not expected to be released from Texas authorities for at least two weeks. But the funeral home, located at 8466 Mentor Ave., has erected a cross with Riley’s picture so residents here can pay their respects to the blonde-haired little girl.

    In addition, Riley will be remembered at Brunner Funeral Home’s annual Tree of Remembrance Service at 1 p.m. Sunday on the lawn at 8466 Mentor Ave., Mentor.

  • Gram Oreo

    I have not read anywhere in news releases, watched videos and have NOT seen or heard of ONE TEAR SHED….FROM KIMBERLY.

    Any comments from the Zeigler’s parents.

  • Gram Oreo

    I have not read anywhere in news releases, watched videos and have NOT seen or heard of ONE TEAR SHED….FROM KIMBERLY.

    Any comments from the Zeigler’s parents.

  • Gram Oreo

    I have not read anywhere in news releases, watched videos and have NOT seen or heard of ONE TEAR SHED….FROM KIMBERLY.

    Any comments from the Zeigler’s parents.

  • Gram Oreo

    I have not read anywhere in news releases, watched videos and have NOT seen or heard of ONE TEAR SHED….FROM KIMBERLY.

    Any comments from the Zeigler’s parents.

  • ashdavus

    I speculate that Miss Kimberly hasn’t shed any public tears because Miss Kimberly is guilty as HELL. She made a CONSCIOUS DECISION to move with her daughter to texas so she could shack up with some internet addicted pig and screw his brains out. Nowhere does it say this jerk ever traveled to Ohio and met her or her family IN PERSON prior to that. Can you all spell S-T-U-P-I-D, folks? Intimidated by him…MY ASS! She CHOSE to stay there with him knowing full well what he was like. She herself admitted he stayed home from work because he thought she was not disciplining Riley according to his rules. Seems to me he stayed home to rid himself and his new sex slave of her excess baggage. She obviously WANTED to be with him since she did not seem to have the sense god gave a ROCK to call the police and hightail her dumbshit ass outta there while the fat fuck was at work. Money would not have been an issue, any women’s shelter would have welcomed her and helped her contact her family. Honestly folks, I’ve never considered myself to be a hateful or vengeful person…but I really hope these two suffer a demise just as horrible as they inflicted on poor Riley.

  • ashdavus

    I speculate that Miss Kimberly hasn’t shed any public tears because Miss Kimberly is guilty as HELL. She made a CONSCIOUS DECISION to move with her daughter to texas so she could shack up with some internet addicted pig and screw his brains out. Nowhere does it say this jerk ever traveled to Ohio and met her or her family IN PERSON prior to that. Can you all spell S-T-U-P-I-D, folks? Intimidated by him…MY ASS! She CHOSE to stay there with him knowing full well what he was like. She herself admitted he stayed home from work because he thought she was not disciplining Riley according to his rules. Seems to me he stayed home to rid himself and his new sex slave of her excess baggage. She obviously WANTED to be with him since she did not seem to have the sense god gave a ROCK to call the police and hightail her dumbshit ass outta there while the fat fuck was at work. Money would not have been an issue, any women’s shelter would have welcomed her and helped her contact her family. Honestly folks, I’ve never considered myself to be a hateful or vengeful person…but I really hope these two suffer a demise just as horrible as they inflicted on poor Riley.

  • ashdavus

    I speculate that Miss Kimberly hasn’t shed any public tears because Miss Kimberly is guilty as HELL. She made a CONSCIOUS DECISION to move with her daughter to texas so she could shack up with some internet addicted pig and screw his brains out. Nowhere does it say this jerk ever traveled to Ohio and met her or her family IN PERSON prior to that. Can you all spell S-T-U-P-I-D, folks? Intimidated by him…MY ASS! She CHOSE to stay there with him knowing full well what he was like. She herself admitted he stayed home from work because he thought she was not disciplining Riley according to his rules. Seems to me he stayed home to rid himself and his new sex slave of her excess baggage. She obviously WANTED to be with him since she did not seem to have the sense god gave a ROCK to call the police and hightail her dumbshit ass outta there while the fat fuck was at work. Money would not have been an issue, any women’s shelter would have welcomed her and helped her contact her family. Honestly folks, I’ve never considered myself to be a hateful or vengeful person…but I really hope these two suffer a demise just as horrible as they inflicted on poor Riley.

  • ashdavus

    I speculate that Miss Kimberly hasn’t shed any public tears because Miss Kimberly is guilty as HELL. She made a CONSCIOUS DECISION to move with her daughter to texas so she could shack up with some internet addicted pig and screw his brains out. Nowhere does it say this jerk ever traveled to Ohio and met her or her family IN PERSON prior to that. Can you all spell S-T-U-P-I-D, folks? Intimidated by him…MY ASS! She CHOSE to stay there with him knowing full well what he was like. She herself admitted he stayed home from work because he thought she was not disciplining Riley according to his rules. Seems to me he stayed home to rid himself and his new sex slave of her excess baggage. She obviously WANTED to be with him since she did not seem to have the sense god gave a ROCK to call the police and hightail her dumbshit ass outta there while the fat fuck was at work. Money would not have been an issue, any women’s shelter would have welcomed her and helped her contact her family. Honestly folks, I’ve never considered myself to be a hateful or vengeful person…but I really hope these two suffer a demise just as horrible as they inflicted on poor Riley.

  • believe909

    Trenor’s attorney claims that there is going to be a bomb shell about the baby she is pregnant with-It never occurred to me that she might abort it, but maybe that is the bombshell! That should rile up some of the bible-belt…

  • believe909

    Trenor’s attorney claims that there is going to be a bomb shell about the baby she is pregnant with-It never occurred to me that she might abort it, but maybe that is the bombshell! That should rile up some of the bible-belt…

  • believe909

    Trenor’s attorney claims that there is going to be a bomb shell about the baby she is pregnant with-It never occurred to me that she might abort it, but maybe that is the bombshell! That should rile up some of the bible-belt…

  • believe909

    Trenor’s attorney claims that there is going to be a bomb shell about the baby she is pregnant with-It never occurred to me that she might abort it, but maybe that is the bombshell! That should rile up some of the bible-belt…

  • ashdavus

    The bombshell is probably that the new baby was concieved on July 24th, in celebration of the fact that they had liberated themselved of another guy’s offspring!

  • ashdavus

    The bombshell is probably that the new baby was concieved on July 24th, in celebration of the fact that they had liberated themselved of another guy’s offspring!

  • ashdavus

    The bombshell is probably that the new baby was concieved on July 24th, in celebration of the fact that they had liberated themselved of another guy’s offspring!

  • ashdavus

    The bombshell is probably that the new baby was concieved on July 24th, in celebration of the fact that they had liberated themselved of another guy’s offspring!

  • Gram Oreo

    I have said it before ~ Is it possible that the bombshell will be. That she was pregnant before she left OHIO…went to Texas…had sex with stupid…and made him think that it was his child.

    All along it (may/maynot) be Robert Sawyer’s child……

    I mean…we have heard how many bombshells already…….could there possibly be anymore to tell???

    Time to put both of these bombs down!!!!!!!!

    Oh yeah, Bad ASS is in solitary confinement…..( do you think they gave him a computer so he could play his video games)…I mean poor dick….all by himself!!!!

  • Gram Oreo

    I have said it before ~ Is it possible that the bombshell will be. That she was pregnant before she left OHIO…went to Texas…had sex with stupid…and made him think that it was his child.

    All along it (may/maynot) be Robert Sawyer’s child……

    I mean…we have heard how many bombshells already…….could there possibly be anymore to tell???

    Time to put both of these bombs down!!!!!!!!

    Oh yeah, Bad ASS is in solitary confinement…..( do you think they gave him a computer so he could play his video games)…I mean poor dick….all by himself!!!!

  • Gram Oreo

    I have said it before ~ Is it possible that the bombshell will be. That she was pregnant before she left OHIO…went to Texas…had sex with stupid…and made him think that it was his child.

    All along it (may/maynot) be Robert Sawyer’s child……

    I mean…we have heard how many bombshells already…….could there possibly be anymore to tell???

    Time to put both of these bombs down!!!!!!!!

    Oh yeah, Bad ASS is in solitary confinement…..( do you think they gave him a computer so he could play his video games)…I mean poor dick….all by himself!!!!

  • Gram Oreo

    I have said it before ~ Is it possible that the bombshell will be. That she was pregnant before she left OHIO…went to Texas…had sex with stupid…and made him think that it was his child.

    All along it (may/maynot) be Robert Sawyer’s child……

    I mean…we have heard how many bombshells already…….could there possibly be anymore to tell???

    Time to put both of these bombs down!!!!!!!!

    Oh yeah, Bad ASS is in solitary confinement…..( do you think they gave him a computer so he could play his video games)…I mean poor dick….all by himself!!!!

  • Death Watch

    These two make me sick. Let’s put them away for life. The dumb bitch is knocked up again. *sigh*

  • Death Watch

    These two make me sick. Let’s put them away for life. The dumb bitch is knocked up again. *sigh*

  • Death Watch

    These two make me sick. Let’s put them away for life. The dumb bitch is knocked up again. *sigh*

  • Death Watch

    I missed the part where Zeigler tried to commit suicide. Unsuccessfully.

    Why is it he can kill a toddler but not himself?

    He won’t last long after the first rounds of prison brutality.

    This guy will probably take him self out of circulation before someone else gets the opportunity.

    I just hope it’s true he’s suicidal. I don’t care to share the planet with such filth.

    Then again, I wouldn’t mind a pay-per-view Death Match against any of these scum.

  • Death Watch

    I missed the part where Zeigler tried to commit suicide. Unsuccessfully.

    Why is it he can kill a toddler but not himself?

    He won’t last long after the first rounds of prison brutality.

    This guy will probably take him self out of circulation before someone else gets the opportunity.

    I just hope it’s true he’s suicidal. I don’t care to share the planet with such filth.

    Then again, I wouldn’t mind a pay-per-view Death Match against any of these scum.

  • Death Watch

    I missed the part where Zeigler tried to commit suicide. Unsuccessfully.

    Why is it he can kill a toddler but not himself?

    He won’t last long after the first rounds of prison brutality.

    This guy will probably take him self out of circulation before someone else gets the opportunity.

    I just hope it’s true he’s suicidal. I don’t care to share the planet with such filth.

    Then again, I wouldn’t mind a pay-per-view Death Match against any of these scum.

  • Death Watch

    I missed the part where Zeigler tried to commit suicide. Unsuccessfully.

    Why is it he can kill a toddler but not himself?

    He won’t last long after the first rounds of prison brutality.

    This guy will probably take him self out of circulation before someone else gets the opportunity.

    I just hope it’s true he’s suicidal. I don’t care to share the planet with such filth.

    Then again, I wouldn’t mind a pay-per-view Death Match against any of these scum.

  • thepooh5

    Why is it he can kill a toddler but not himself?

    I just hope it’s true he’s suicidal. I don’t care to share the planet with such filth.

    Death Watch – to the first question – he can’t pick his own fat ass up by his hair and throw himself across the room! And AMEN to the second statement!!

    Then again, I wouldn’t mind a pay-per-view Death Match against any of these scum.

    And finally, to the above comment: can we make it a tournament on all those sicko psychos? – Hey, remember the movie “Running Man” – the POS should be the “runners” and good parents the “hunters or stalkers” – can’t remember what they called those guys right off – but you get the point!

  • thepooh5

    Why is it he can kill a toddler but not himself?

    I just hope it’s true he’s suicidal. I don’t care to share the planet with such filth.

    Death Watch – to the first question – he can’t pick his own fat ass up by his hair and throw himself across the room! And AMEN to the second statement!!

    Then again, I wouldn’t mind a pay-per-view Death Match against any of these scum.

    And finally, to the above comment: can we make it a tournament on all those sicko psychos? – Hey, remember the movie “Running Man” – the POS should be the “runners” and good parents the “hunters or stalkers” – can’t remember what they called those guys right off – but you get the point!

  • thepooh5

    Why is it he can kill a toddler but not himself?

    I just hope it’s true he’s suicidal. I don’t care to share the planet with such filth.

    Death Watch – to the first question – he can’t pick his own fat ass up by his hair and throw himself across the room! And AMEN to the second statement!!

    Then again, I wouldn’t mind a pay-per-view Death Match against any of these scum.

    And finally, to the above comment: can we make it a tournament on all those sicko psychos? – Hey, remember the movie “Running Man” – the POS should be the “runners” and good parents the “hunters or stalkers” – can’t remember what they called those guys right off – but you get the point!

  • thepooh5

    Why is it he can kill a toddler but not himself?

    I just hope it’s true he’s suicidal. I don’t care to share the planet with such filth.

    Death Watch – to the first question – he can’t pick his own fat ass up by his hair and throw himself across the room! And AMEN to the second statement!!

    Then again, I wouldn’t mind a pay-per-view Death Match against any of these scum.

    And finally, to the above comment: can we make it a tournament on all those sicko psychos? – Hey, remember the movie “Running Man” – the POS should be the “runners” and good parents the “hunters or stalkers” – can’t remember what they called those guys right off – but you get the point!

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Send Fireball, Captain Freedom, Dynamo, Buzzsaw and Subzero after them. Too bad they can’t die twice.
    Where can I watch the Death Match, that would be sweet.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Send Fireball, Captain Freedom, Dynamo, Buzzsaw and Subzero after them. Too bad they can’t die twice.
    Where can I watch the Death Match, that would be sweet.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com warrman69

    Send Fireball, Captain Freedom, Dynamo, Buzzsaw and Subzero after them. Too bad they can’t die twice.
    Where can I watch the Death Match, that would be sweet.

  • Rosie

    I’ve noticed on several posts where people say they hope these guys get it in prison, can anyone elaborate, maybe someone who has been in prison, as to how these guys ARE treated in prison? You don’t have to be too graphic, just curious. I know Jeffrey Dalmer was murdered in prison but haven’t heard of too many others being killed. Anyone have any experience in this department?

  • Rosie

    I’ve noticed on several posts where people say they hope these guys get it in prison, can anyone elaborate, maybe someone who has been in prison, as to how these guys ARE treated in prison? You don’t have to be too graphic, just curious. I know Jeffrey Dalmer was murdered in prison but haven’t heard of too many others being killed. Anyone have any experience in this department?

  • Rosie

    I’ve noticed on several posts where people say they hope these guys get it in prison, can anyone elaborate, maybe someone who has been in prison, as to how these guys ARE treated in prison? You don’t have to be too graphic, just curious. I know Jeffrey Dalmer was murdered in prison but haven’t heard of too many others being killed. Anyone have any experience in this department?

  • ashdavus

    We had a good family friend who worked in the jail system years ago. He said that they are raped, beaten, and even killed. He said even the most violent criminals generally wouldn’t hurt children and will victimize those criminals who do out of anger.

  • ashdavus

    We had a good family friend who worked in the jail system years ago. He said that they are raped, beaten, and even killed. He said even the most violent criminals generally wouldn’t hurt children and will victimize those criminals who do out of anger.

  • ashdavus

    We had a good family friend who worked in the jail system years ago. He said that they are raped, beaten, and even killed. He said even the most violent criminals generally wouldn’t hurt children and will victimize those criminals who do out of anger.

  • ashdavus

    We had a good family friend who worked in the jail system years ago. He said that they are raped, beaten, and even killed. He said even the most violent criminals generally wouldn’t hurt children and will victimize those criminals who do out of anger.

  • Rosie

    Just saw this posted on CourtTV website – the Father obviously didn’t know Riley’s mother very well.

    Man believed to be father of ‘Baby Grace’ describes her as ‘beautiful little girl’
    NEW YORK (AP) — A man believed to be the father of “Baby Grace,” a 2-year-old girl whose body washed ashore in Texas, said in an interview broadcast Thursday that the girl’s mother loved her, and he didn’t believe she was capable of harming the little girl.

    While DNA tests are pending, authorities say they are fairly confident the girl nicknamed “Baby Grace” after washing ashore last month is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Riley’s father, Robert Sawyers, said Trenor loved their daughter.

    “No, I never thought she could do anything like this,” Sawyers said in an interview broadcast Thursday on NBC’s “Today” show.

    “I mean, she loved Riley. … You can’t not love that little girl the first time you see her, you know. It’s heart wrenching to think she might have done this to such a beautiful little girl,” said Sawyers, 20, of Mentor, Ohio.

  • Rosie

    Just saw this posted on CourtTV website – the Father obviously didn’t know Riley’s mother very well.

    Man believed to be father of ‘Baby Grace’ describes her as ‘beautiful little girl’
    NEW YORK (AP) — A man believed to be the father of “Baby Grace,” a 2-year-old girl whose body washed ashore in Texas, said in an interview broadcast Thursday that the girl’s mother loved her, and he didn’t believe she was capable of harming the little girl.

    While DNA tests are pending, authorities say they are fairly confident the girl nicknamed “Baby Grace” after washing ashore last month is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Riley’s father, Robert Sawyers, said Trenor loved their daughter.

    “No, I never thought she could do anything like this,” Sawyers said in an interview broadcast Thursday on NBC’s “Today” show.

    “I mean, she loved Riley. … You can’t not love that little girl the first time you see her, you know. It’s heart wrenching to think she might have done this to such a beautiful little girl,” said Sawyers, 20, of Mentor, Ohio.

  • Rosie

    Just saw this posted on CourtTV website – the Father obviously didn’t know Riley’s mother very well.

    Man believed to be father of ‘Baby Grace’ describes her as ‘beautiful little girl’
    NEW YORK (AP) — A man believed to be the father of “Baby Grace,” a 2-year-old girl whose body washed ashore in Texas, said in an interview broadcast Thursday that the girl’s mother loved her, and he didn’t believe she was capable of harming the little girl.

    While DNA tests are pending, authorities say they are fairly confident the girl nicknamed “Baby Grace” after washing ashore last month is that of Riley Ann Sawyers. Riley’s father, Robert Sawyers, said Trenor loved their daughter.

    “No, I never thought she could do anything like this,” Sawyers said in an interview broadcast Thursday on NBC’s “Today” show.

    “I mean, she loved Riley. … You can’t not love that little girl the first time you see her, you know. It’s heart wrenching to think she might have done this to such a beautiful little girl,” said Sawyers, 20, of Mentor, Ohio.

  • Gram Oreo

    Still running all of this thru my head. I have a few things to ponder…what do you think??

    They let that baby sit for what???? 3mos….

    Once they disposed of the container in the water…..

    They did not come forward to acknowledge their guilt.

    They obviously HAD TO SEE THE TV AND THE PLEA FOR SOMEONE TO COME FORWARD.. THEY DID NOT!!!!!

    The special service held on the island for ‘Riley ( Baby Grace)..were they there??

    NOT UNTIL…grama started the ball rolling.

    If Grama would not have come forward…….Baby Grace would not have been identified. There would have been no charges, no jail, nothing.

    So..wondering if they would have just hidden……and let this all just drift away. Never being charged, nor exposed for their guilt.

    I am thinking, they tried to get away with it all. If it was INDEED an accident as they are now claiming……then why did they not come forward in the beginning.

  • Gram Oreo

    Still running all of this thru my head. I have a few things to ponder…what do you think??

    They let that baby sit for what???? 3mos….

    Once they disposed of the container in the water…..

    They did not come forward to acknowledge their guilt.

    They obviously HAD TO SEE THE TV AND THE PLEA FOR SOMEONE TO COME FORWARD.. THEY DID NOT!!!!!

    The special service held on the island for ‘Riley ( Baby Grace)..were they there??

    NOT UNTIL…grama started the ball rolling.

    If Grama would not have come forward…….Baby Grace would not have been identified. There would have been no charges, no jail, nothing.

    So..wondering if they would have just hidden……and let this all just drift away. Never being charged, nor exposed for their guilt.

    I am thinking, they tried to get away with it all. If it was INDEED an accident as they are now claiming……then why did they not come forward in the beginning.

  • Hippiepoet

    Crying, crying like a fucking baby. Goddammit, how could they do this to this baby girl? What in the world. I remember once, I was working night shift at the hospital, my daughter’s father worked evenings…so I didn’t get a lot of sleep before he left for work. Once my daughter, probably around two, screamed and screamed, I was so tired…and I picked her up swatting her butt several times, and set her done on the floor roughly. She cried and moments later, I lost it, I balled and balled, thinking I was the worst fucking mother in the world. Who cares if I worked 9 hours and only slept for three and got to do it all over again, what mattered was her, my daughter. I ended up going part time so I could get more sleep and have more patience with my daughter. Yep, I was much poorer, but dammit. I felt sooooooo guilty. With that confession of me being a tired, asshole of a mother, how could these two do this? For hours? If I was that mother I’d of knocked that motherfucker over the head with a nice fatty lamp, took my kid and got the fuck out of there. No one is more important to me than my two kids. I’d fight to the death for both of them. God, I wish myself, or someone would have been there to defend Riley. Damn, I am so pissed, so sad.

  • Hippiepoet

    Crying, crying like a fucking baby. Goddammit, how could they do this to this baby girl? What in the world. I remember once, I was working night shift at the hospital, my daughter’s father worked evenings…so I didn’t get a lot of sleep before he left for work. Once my daughter, probably around two, screamed and screamed, I was so tired…and I picked her up swatting her butt several times, and set her done on the floor roughly. She cried and moments later, I lost it, I balled and balled, thinking I was the worst fucking mother in the world. Who cares if I worked 9 hours and only slept for three and got to do it all over again, what mattered was her, my daughter. I ended up going part time so I could get more sleep and have more patience with my daughter. Yep, I was much poorer, but dammit. I felt sooooooo guilty. With that confession of me being a tired, asshole of a mother, how could these two do this? For hours? If I was that mother I’d of knocked that motherfucker over the head with a nice fatty lamp, took my kid and got the fuck out of there. No one is more important to me than my two kids. I’d fight to the death for both of them. God, I wish myself, or someone would have been there to defend Riley. Damn, I am so pissed, so sad.

  • Hippiepoet

    Crying, crying like a fucking baby. Goddammit, how could they do this to this baby girl? What in the world. I remember once, I was working night shift at the hospital, my daughter’s father worked evenings…so I didn’t get a lot of sleep before he left for work. Once my daughter, probably around two, screamed and screamed, I was so tired…and I picked her up swatting her butt several times, and set her done on the floor roughly. She cried and moments later, I lost it, I balled and balled, thinking I was the worst fucking mother in the world. Who cares if I worked 9 hours and only slept for three and got to do it all over again, what mattered was her, my daughter. I ended up going part time so I could get more sleep and have more patience with my daughter. Yep, I was much poorer, but dammit. I felt sooooooo guilty. With that confession of me being a tired, asshole of a mother, how could these two do this? For hours? If I was that mother I’d of knocked that motherfucker over the head with a nice fatty lamp, took my kid and got the fuck out of there. No one is more important to me than my two kids. I’d fight to the death for both of them. God, I wish myself, or someone would have been there to defend Riley. Damn, I am so pissed, so sad.

  • bexter

    i dont think there is a parent out there that at some time or another hasnt lost their patience with a child for just a second and maybe yelled, or swatted or something, but to cross those lines, and turn to abuse and murder, that is what throws me. And for a mother to do it, when mothers carry them for 9 months and go thru the pain of child birth to bring them in to the world. We have so much invested in them before they even take their first breath. I just cannot see it. Never have never will.

  • bexter

    i dont think there is a parent out there that at some time or another hasnt lost their patience with a child for just a second and maybe yelled, or swatted or something, but to cross those lines, and turn to abuse and murder, that is what throws me. And for a mother to do it, when mothers carry them for 9 months and go thru the pain of child birth to bring them in to the world. We have so much invested in them before they even take their first breath. I just cannot see it. Never have never will.

  • bexter

    i dont think there is a parent out there that at some time or another hasnt lost their patience with a child for just a second and maybe yelled, or swatted or something, but to cross those lines, and turn to abuse and murder, that is what throws me. And for a mother to do it, when mothers carry them for 9 months and go thru the pain of child birth to bring them in to the world. We have so much invested in them before they even take their first breath. I just cannot see it. Never have never will.

  • bexter

    i dont think there is a parent out there that at some time or another hasnt lost their patience with a child for just a second and maybe yelled, or swatted or something, but to cross those lines, and turn to abuse and murder, that is what throws me. And for a mother to do it, when mothers carry them for 9 months and go thru the pain of child birth to bring them in to the world. We have so much invested in them before they even take their first breath. I just cannot see it. Never have never will.

  • Kristi

    I am so horribly mortified by this story! I thought I was devastated by poor Rowan’s story but my God her own mother??? She was 2 years old for Godsake…many of us have placed blame on Colleen for being partially responsible for what happened to Rowan, but this woman observed and participated in her little baby girls brutal beating and death!!!

    For all of you who don’t believe in the death penalty or that the sick fucks who commit these types of crimes don’t deserve to be tortured themselves before being shot in the head, MORE POWER TO YOU!!! You are better people than I could ever hope to be. I would like to think that I am a good person, but if by wishing that these two suffer a horrible miserable existance prior to their execution makes me “just as bad as them” then I guess I am a really BAD person because nothing would make me happier. I have a 3 year old little girl, with the same name oddly enough, and this one has really hit home!!!

  • Kristi

    I am so horribly mortified by this story! I thought I was devastated by poor Rowan’s story but my God her own mother??? She was 2 years old for Godsake…many of us have placed blame on Colleen for being partially responsible for what happened to Rowan, but this woman observed and participated in her little baby girls brutal beating and death!!!

    For all of you who don’t believe in the death penalty or that the sick fucks who commit these types of crimes don’t deserve to be tortured themselves before being shot in the head, MORE POWER TO YOU!!! You are better people than I could ever hope to be. I would like to think that I am a good person, but if by wishing that these two suffer a horrible miserable existance prior to their execution makes me “just as bad as them” then I guess I am a really BAD person because nothing would make me happier. I have a 3 year old little girl, with the same name oddly enough, and this one has really hit home!!!

  • Kristi

    I am so horribly mortified by this story! I thought I was devastated by poor Rowan’s story but my God her own mother??? She was 2 years old for Godsake…many of us have placed blame on Colleen for being partially responsible for what happened to Rowan, but this woman observed and participated in her little baby girls brutal beating and death!!!

    For all of you who don’t believe in the death penalty or that the sick fucks who commit these types of crimes don’t deserve to be tortured themselves before being shot in the head, MORE POWER TO YOU!!! You are better people than I could ever hope to be. I would like to think that I am a good person, but if by wishing that these two suffer a horrible miserable existance prior to their execution makes me “just as bad as them” then I guess I am a really BAD person because nothing would make me happier. I have a 3 year old little girl, with the same name oddly enough, and this one has really hit home!!!

  • Kristi

    I am so horribly mortified by this story! I thought I was devastated by poor Rowan’s story but my God her own mother??? She was 2 years old for Godsake…many of us have placed blame on Colleen for being partially responsible for what happened to Rowan, but this woman observed and participated in her little baby girls brutal beating and death!!!

    For all of you who don’t believe in the death penalty or that the sick fucks who commit these types of crimes don’t deserve to be tortured themselves before being shot in the head, MORE POWER TO YOU!!! You are better people than I could ever hope to be. I would like to think that I am a good person, but if by wishing that these two suffer a horrible miserable existance prior to their execution makes me “just as bad as them” then I guess I am a really BAD person because nothing would make me happier. I have a 3 year old little girl, with the same name oddly enough, and this one has really hit home!!!

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com/ warrman69

    Kristi,
    I do and don’t believe in the death penalty. If it is an open and shut case like this and Rowan than yes these fuckers need to die and not 10 years from now, but if the case is hard to prove and there is dought than no, because a lot of people who had done nothing have been put to death. Just look at the case of the West Memphis Three, Damien Echold is on death row and they had no physical evidence to like him or the others to the crime.
    In Rileys and Rowans case I would personallly pull the switch on their killers.

  • http://www.franklyspeakingradio.com warrman69

    Kristi,
    I do and don’t believe in the death penalty. If it is an open and shut case like this and Rowan than yes these fuckers need to die and not 10 years from now, but if the case is hard to prove and there is dought than no, because a lot of people who had done nothing have been put to death. Just look at the case of the West Memphis Three, Damien Echold is on death row and they had no physical evidence to like him or the others to the crime.
    In Rileys and Rowans case I would personallly pull the switch on their killers.

  • Kristi

    Warrman, I agree with you 100%! I am not someone who just wants to go around frying people who are convicted of a crime. But I do believe there is a place for it. A special privelage for the sick bastards who commit crimes like these and there is no doubt about their guilt! I want them to suffer for a period of time and then I want them dead! No life in prison, just dead!

  • Kristi

    Warrman, I agree with you 100%! I am not someone who just wants to go around frying people who are convicted of a crime. But I do believe there is a place for it. A special privelage for the sick bastards who commit crimes like these and there is no doubt about their guilt! I want them to suffer for a period of time and then I want them dead! No life in prison, just dead!

  • Kristi

    Warrman, I agree with you 100%! I am not someone who just wants to go around frying people who are convicted of a crime. But I do believe there is a place for it. A special privelage for the sick bastards who commit crimes like these and there is no doubt about their guilt! I want them to suffer for a period of time and then I want them dead! No life in prison, just dead!

  • Kristi

    I was finally able to read this all the way through. I agree with so much of what alot of you say and have come to respect many of you for your comments and opinions. But I am really taking issue with the whole “people only care cause she was blond hair, blue eyed” that is such a load of shit!!! Rowan was not blond haired or blue eyed, and seems to me her story has touched the hearts of millions, and hundreds of us just on this sight!

    And what about the Hawes children, Little Neveah Richardson, DaNiyah Jackson, The poor little son of Ty Chan….Are you fucking kidding me? All the stories here have touched our hearts, race and coloring do not have an ounce of affect on how much I (and I think most of us here) care about what has happened to these children. I think what does affect the way people react is the heinousness of the crime. This one is so particularly disturbing because Riley’s own mother participated in her torture and death for 5-6 hours!!! So please, enough of the it’s cause she’s blond haired & blue eyed BS.

  • Kristi

    I was finally able to read this all the way through. I agree with so much of what alot of you say and have come to respect many of you for your comments and opinions. But I am really taking issue with the whole “people only care cause she was blond hair, blue eyed” that is such a load of shit!!! Rowan was not blond haired or blue eyed, and seems to me her story has touched the hearts of millions, and hundreds of us just on this sight!

    And what about the Hawes children, Little Neveah Richardson, DaNiyah Jackson, The poor little son of Ty Chan….Are you fucking kidding me? All the stories here have touched our hearts, race and coloring do not have an ounce of affect on how much I (and I think most of us here) care about what has happened to these children. I think what does affect the way people react is the heinousness of the crime. This one is so particularly disturbing because Riley’s own mother participated in her torture and death for 5-6 hours!!! So please, enough of the it’s cause she’s blond haired & blue eyed BS.

  • Kristi

    I was finally able to read this all the way through. I agree with so much of what alot of you say and have come to respect many of you for your comments and opinions. But I am really taking issue with the whole “people only care cause she was blond hair, blue eyed” that is such a load of shit!!! Rowan was not blond haired or blue eyed, and seems to me her story has touched the hearts of millions, and hundreds of us just on this sight!

    And what about the Hawes children, Little Neveah Richardson, DaNiyah Jackson, The poor little son of Ty Chan….Are you fucking kidding me? All the stories here have touched our hearts, race and coloring do not have an ounce of affect on how much I (and I think most of us here) care about what has happened to these children. I think what does affect the way people react is the heinousness of the crime. This one is so particularly disturbing because Riley’s own mother participated in her torture and death for 5-6 hours!!! So please, enough of the it’s cause she’s blond haired & blue eyed BS.

  • Kristi

    I was finally able to read this all the way through. I agree with so much of what alot of you say and have come to respect many of you for your comments and opinions. But I am really taking issue with the whole “people only care cause she was blond hair, blue eyed” that is such a load of shit!!! Rowan was not blond haired or blue eyed, and seems to me her story has touched the hearts of millions, and hundreds of us just on this sight!

    And what about the Hawes children, Little Neveah Richardson, DaNiyah Jackson, The poor little son of Ty Chan….Are you fucking kidding me? All the stories here have touched our hearts, race and coloring do not have an ounce of affect on how much I (and I think most of us here) care about what has happened to these children. I think what does affect the way people react is the heinousness of the crime. This one is so particularly disturbing because Riley’s own mother participated in her torture and death for 5-6 hours!!! So please, enough of the it’s cause she’s blond haired & blue eyed BS.

  • Kristi

    And oh by the way, to the Trenor and Frost families, who I’m sure will unfortunatley never read this, your attempts at defending Kimberly are disgusting. Maybe she was not raised to be this way and maybe she was not the type of person to behave this way in the past, but guess what? She is now.

    As far as claims that Rileys father Robert was abusive to Kimberly which is why she had to leave, well then she should have got a fucking clue that it doesn’t feel good to be abused and maybe thought about NOT doing it to her own child.

    And to the comment that maybe she did it out of fear…what she SHOULD have been doing out of fear, instead of beating her daughter with a leather belt, was wrapping that leather belt around that Son of Bitch Zieglers neck and pulling it tight until he got off her daughter! THAT is something I would be sorry she had to be fearful of.

    Also not sure if anyone has mentioned, but was with Kimberly’s father claiming that he saw Riley fine and well 10 days prior to this whole thing coming down. HMMM, wonder who Kimberly learned to be a liar from?

  • Kristi

    And oh by the way, to the Trenor and Frost families, who I’m sure will unfortunatley never read this, your attempts at defending Kimberly are disgusting. Maybe she was not raised to be this way and maybe she was not the type of person to behave this way in the past, but guess what? She is now.

    As far as claims that Rileys father Robert was abusive to Kimberly which is why she had to leave, well then she should have got a fucking clue that it doesn’t feel good to be abused and maybe thought about NOT doing it to her own child.

    And to the comment that maybe she did it out of fear…what she SHOULD have been doing out of fear, instead of beating her daughter with a leather belt, was wrapping that leather belt around that Son of Bitch Zieglers neck and pulling it tight until he got off her daughter! THAT is something I would be sorry she had to be fearful of.

    Also not sure if anyone has mentioned, but was with Kimberly’s father claiming that he saw Riley fine and well 10 days prior to this whole thing coming down. HMMM, wonder who Kimberly learned to be a liar from?

  • Kristi

    And oh by the way, to the Trenor and Frost families, who I’m sure will unfortunatley never read this, your attempts at defending Kimberly are disgusting. Maybe she was not raised to be this way and maybe she was not the type of person to behave this way in the past, but guess what? She is now.

    As far as claims that Rileys father Robert was abusive to Kimberly which is why she had to leave, well then she should have got a fucking clue that it doesn’t feel good to be abused and maybe thought about NOT doing it to her own child.

    And to the comment that maybe she did it out of fear…what she SHOULD have been doing out of fear, instead of beating her daughter with a leather belt, was wrapping that leather belt around that Son of Bitch Zieglers neck and pulling it tight until he got off her daughter! THAT is something I would be sorry she had to be fearful of.

    Also not sure if anyone has mentioned, but was with Kimberly’s father claiming that he saw Riley fine and well 10 days prior to this whole thing coming down. HMMM, wonder who Kimberly learned to be a liar from?

  • Kristi

    And oh by the way, to the Trenor and Frost families, who I’m sure will unfortunatley never read this, your attempts at defending Kimberly are disgusting. Maybe she was not raised to be this way and maybe she was not the type of person to behave this way in the past, but guess what? She is now.

    As far as claims that Rileys father Robert was abusive to Kimberly which is why she had to leave, well then she should have got a fucking clue that it doesn’t feel good to be abused and maybe thought about NOT doing it to her own child.

    And to the comment that maybe she did it out of fear…what she SHOULD have been doing out of fear, instead of beating her daughter with a leather belt, was wrapping that leather belt around that Son of Bitch Zieglers neck and pulling it tight until he got off her daughter! THAT is something I would be sorry she had to be fearful of.

    Also not sure if anyone has mentioned, but was with Kimberly’s father claiming that he saw Riley fine and well 10 days prior to this whole thing coming down. HMMM, wonder who Kimberly learned to be a liar from?

  • Kathy

    Kristi, with all due respect. You are wrong. Go on the website for the National Center for Missing and Exploited children. Look at ALL the minority children. How many of them have you heard of…EVER?

    Also, go to CNN.com and Foxnews. How long did Rowan stay on the front pages? A day or two maybe. When she was missing, it was only local, when the horror of what actually happened to her came up, it was national, but only for a little while.

    Now look for details on Riley’s case. Still up there huh? Right on the front page.

  • Kathy

    Kristi, with all due respect. You are wrong. Go on the website for the National Center for Missing and Exploited children. Look at ALL the minority children. How many of them have you heard of…EVER?

    Also, go to CNN.com and Foxnews. How long did Rowan stay on the front pages? A day or two maybe. When she was missing, it was only local, when the horror of what actually happened to her came up, it was national, but only for a little while.

    Now look for details on Riley’s case. Still up there huh? Right on the front page.

  • Kathy

    Kristi, with all due respect. You are wrong. Go on the website for the National Center for Missing and Exploited children. Look at ALL the minority children. How many of them have you heard of…EVER?

    Also, go to CNN.com and Foxnews. How long did Rowan stay on the front pages? A day or two maybe. When she was missing, it was only local, when the horror of what actually happened to her came up, it was national, but only for a little while.

    Now look for details on Riley’s case. Still up there huh? Right on the front page.

  • Kathy

    Kristi, with all due respect. You are wrong. Go on the website for the National Center for Missing and Exploited children. Look at ALL the minority children. How many of them have you heard of…EVER?

    Also, go to CNN.com and Foxnews. How long did Rowan stay on the front pages? A day or two maybe. When she was missing, it was only local, when the horror of what actually happened to her came up, it was national, but only for a little while.

    Now look for details on Riley’s case. Still up there huh? Right on the front page.

  • Kathy

    Also, go over to the right of your screen to the Coalition of Crime Bloggers. there is a blog called “Black and Missing, but not forgotten.” look at all those faces there. Have you ever heard of any of them? One females body was found just YESTERDAY. I never heard of her. But I’ve heard of Lauren Barnes and Emily Sander, both on the national news.

  • Kathy

    Also, go over to the right of your screen to the Coalition of Crime Bloggers. there is a blog called “Black and Missing, but not forgotten.” look at all those faces there. Have you ever heard of any of them? One females body was found just YESTERDAY. I never heard of her. But I’ve heard of Lauren Barnes and Emily Sander, both on the national news.

  • thepooh5

    While we can’t control what the media chooses to leave up or take down – All children are equally important to me. I don’t care if they are poka-dotted. All of these cases are heinous and I personnally can’t see anything but the words death or abuse of a child – that’s as far as I get on the race issue. Hell, it doesn’t matter the color of the victem or the offender – THIS SHIT MUST STOP!! WE NEED TOUGHER LAWS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!

    The punishment should be so stiff – even POS like these here on Morbid’s site – would be too afraid to even think about committing them – BECAUSE OF THE CONSQUENCES!!!

  • thepooh5

    While we can’t control what the media chooses to leave up or take down – All children are equally important to me. I don’t care if they are poka-dotted. All of these cases are heinous and I personnally can’t see anything but the words death or abuse of a child – that’s as far as I get on the race issue. Hell, it doesn’t matter the color of the victem or the offender – THIS SHIT MUST STOP!! WE NEED TOUGHER LAWS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!

    The punishment should be so stiff – even POS like these here on Morbid’s site – would be too afraid to even think about committing them – BECAUSE OF THE CONSQUENCES!!!

  • thepooh5

    While we can’t control what the media chooses to leave up or take down – All children are equally important to me. I don’t care if they are poka-dotted. All of these cases are heinous and I personnally can’t see anything but the words death or abuse of a child – that’s as far as I get on the race issue. Hell, it doesn’t matter the color of the victem or the offender – THIS SHIT MUST STOP!! WE NEED TOUGHER LAWS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!

    The punishment should be so stiff – even POS like these here on Morbid’s site – would be too afraid to even think about committing them – BECAUSE OF THE CONSQUENCES!!!

  • thepooh5

    While we can’t control what the media chooses to leave up or take down – All children are equally important to me. I don’t care if they are poka-dotted. All of these cases are heinous and I personnally can’t see anything but the words death or abuse of a child – that’s as far as I get on the race issue. Hell, it doesn’t matter the color of the victem or the offender – THIS SHIT MUST STOP!! WE NEED TOUGHER LAWS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN!!

    The punishment should be so stiff – even POS like these here on Morbid’s site – would be too afraid to even think about committing them – BECAUSE OF THE CONSQUENCES!!!

  • Kathy

    We can’t control the media and YES we do need to find ways to make this shit stop.

    My point is alot of these cases get solved because of the exposure they get from the media. Tips from across the country. How are we supposed to help find someone if we don’t even know they are missing? There is a definite bias out there and if you don;t see it, you are living in a world that I left a long time ago.

  • Kathy

    We can’t control the media and YES we do need to find ways to make this shit stop.

    My point is alot of these cases get solved because of the exposure they get from the media. Tips from across the country. How are we supposed to help find someone if we don’t even know they are missing? There is a definite bias out there and if you don;t see it, you are living in a world that I left a long time ago.

  • Kathy

    We can’t control the media and YES we do need to find ways to make this shit stop.

    My point is alot of these cases get solved because of the exposure they get from the media. Tips from across the country. How are we supposed to help find someone if we don’t even know they are missing? There is a definite bias out there and if you don;t see it, you are living in a world that I left a long time ago.

  • Kathy

    We can’t control the media and YES we do need to find ways to make this shit stop.

    My point is alot of these cases get solved because of the exposure they get from the media. Tips from across the country. How are we supposed to help find someone if we don’t even know they are missing? There is a definite bias out there and if you don;t see it, you are living in a world that I left a long time ago.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dechantalb JUSTAMOM2

    I agree Kathy, get the stories out there!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dechantalb JUSTAMOM2

    I agree Kathy, get the stories out there!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dechantalb JUSTAMOM2

    I agree Kathy, get the stories out there!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dechantalb JUSTAMOM2

    I agree Kathy, get the stories out there!

  • Wonder

    just curious is there a White and Missing Section ?

  • Wonder

    just curious is there a White and Missing Section ?

  • Wonder

    just curious is there a White and Missing Section ?

  • Kathy

    Why do you ask Wonder? If you are trying to make light of the fact that there is a black and missing blog, I don’t see any humor in it. I also don’t see any sense in trying to use it to make some sort of political point.

    Someone started that blog because they were responding to a need. Plain and simple.

    Also, it is not a category of Dreamin’ Demon. It is a whole separate blog.

  • Kathy

    Why do you ask Wonder? If you are trying to make light of the fact that there is a black and missing blog, I don’t see any humor in it. I also don’t see any sense in trying to use it to make some sort of political point.

    Someone started that blog because they were responding to a need. Plain and simple.

    Also, it is not a category of Dreamin’ Demon. It is a whole separate blog.

  • Kathy

    Why do you ask Wonder? If you are trying to make light of the fact that there is a black and missing blog, I don’t see any humor in it. I also don’t see any sense in trying to use it to make some sort of political point.

    Someone started that blog because they were responding to a need. Plain and simple.

    Also, it is not a category of Dreamin’ Demon. It is a whole separate blog.

  • Ruby

    Yes, Wonder, it’s called CNN…ABC…etc. You get the picture. As someone else just mentioned above, there was a small story today about them finding the body of a college student who’d been missing in Florida, and I’d never heard of her. She was black. When Baby Grace washed up, that portrait was splashed across the front page of every on-line news source in the nation. When a black child disappears, it usually is covered as a small paragraph in Section B of the local press.

    The one blonde / white girl mystery which has amazed me because it disappeared from the press is the case of Jodi Parrack up in MI. There has just been absolute silence on that one, and it’s a very curious case. The police just say they are confident they’ll make an arrest soon. Other than that…not a peep from ANYONE.

  • Ruby

    Yes, Wonder, it’s called CNN…ABC…etc. You get the picture. As someone else just mentioned above, there was a small story today about them finding the body of a college student who’d been missing in Florida, and I’d never heard of her. She was black. When Baby Grace washed up, that portrait was splashed across the front page of every on-line news source in the nation. When a black child disappears, it usually is covered as a small paragraph in Section B of the local press.

    The one blonde / white girl mystery which has amazed me because it disappeared from the press is the case of Jodi Parrack up in MI. There has just been absolute silence on that one, and it’s a very curious case. The police just say they are confident they’ll make an arrest soon. Other than that…not a peep from ANYONE.

  • Ruby

    Yes, Wonder, it’s called CNN…ABC…etc. You get the picture. As someone else just mentioned above, there was a small story today about them finding the body of a college student who’d been missing in Florida, and I’d never heard of her. She was black. When Baby Grace washed up, that portrait was splashed across the front page of every on-line news source in the nation. When a black child disappears, it usually is covered as a small paragraph in Section B of the local press.

    The one blonde / white girl mystery which has amazed me because it disappeared from the press is the case of Jodi Parrack up in MI. There has just been absolute silence on that one, and it’s a very curious case. The police just say they are confident they’ll make an arrest soon. Other than that…not a peep from ANYONE.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dechantalb JUSTAMOM2

    Sure there’s a white and missing blog, it’s called most every evening news. A 20 year old blond hair blue eyed girl disapears and you see it on good morning america. A person of color goes missing and you usually only see it on the posters and flyers the family posts up!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dechantalb JUSTAMOM2

    Sure there’s a white and missing blog, it’s called most every evening news. A 20 year old blond hair blue eyed girl disapears and you see it on good morning america. A person of color goes missing and you usually only see it on the posters and flyers the family posts up!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dechantalb JUSTAMOM2

    Sure there’s a white and missing blog, it’s called most every evening news. A 20 year old blond hair blue eyed girl disapears and you see it on good morning america. A person of color goes missing and you usually only see it on the posters and flyers the family posts up!

  • Ruby

    Yes, Wonder, it’s called CNN…ABC…etc. You get the picture. As someone else just mentioned above, there was a small story today about them finding the body of a college student who’d been missing in Florida, and I’d never heard of her. She was black. When Baby Grace washed up, that portrait was splashed across the front page of every on-line news source in the nation. When a black child disappears, it usually is covered as a small paragraph in Section B of the local press.

    The one blonde / white girl mystery which has amazed me because it disappeared from the press is the case of Jodi Parrack up in MI. There has just been absolute silence on that one, and it’s a very curious case. The police just say they are confident they’ll make an arrest soon. Other than that…not a peep from ANYONE.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dechantalb JUSTAMOM2

    Sure there’s a white and missing blog, it’s called most every evening news. A 20 year old blond hair blue eyed girl disapears and you see it on good morning america. A person of color goes missing and you usually only see it on the posters and flyers the family posts up!

  • Kristi

    Kathy, same to you in that I mean no disrespect and am discussing this with you as intelligent adults. You are one to which I speak that I have gained a great deal of respect for in regards to your thoughts and comments. Not to mention you crack my ass up. That being said lets discuss…

    I think that maybe we are both correct to a degree. Yes you are right, I have seen the list of the black children missing but not forgotten. But did you also see the list of blond hair/blue eyed little girls specifically between the ages of 2-3 that was being investigated for a match to baby Grace?

    The number of missing children (of all races) is horrifying! But I’ll tell you that I have not heard of about 95% of them. Infact, when I found this site I was appauled at what I was seeing and if you recall my posts from the very begining here it took some convincing by Morbid for me to really grasp that the numbers for these violent crimes and missing childern are not actually increasing, just more reported. Even so I didn’t know about 90% of these stories until coming here.

    Actually every single time I turn on my computer CNN comes up as my home page. And truthfully I saw much more of what happened with Rowan than I have for Riley. There was some on Baby Grace and Some on Riley. But now both are gone, unless you begin searching for past articles.

    I am sure the local news covers these events for longer, but me living in Southern California, if the story is not near it comes and goes very quickly once they determine the offenders have been caught. The missing and unknown seem last a bit longer, but eventually they move on too. And I agree that is an absolute shame!!! I still however don’t believe that the race of a child makes people feel differently about what has happened to them.

    I will agree with you however that those who are wealthier are able to keep the stories in the lime light for a longer period of time. But I don’t believe it has to do directly with their race. It has to do with the fact that they have more money so can take longer periods of time off of work to create awarness or to travel to DC and such places. As in the case of Madelaine McCann. Her parents are Physicians and have the money to spend time doing the things they have done to keep her case in the forefront, it’s not because she is a white/blond little girl. Unfortunately those not as wealthy do not have that luxury. I agree that’s not fair or just, but the way it is.

    Am I making any sense?

  • Kristi

    Kathy, same to you in that I mean no disrespect and am discussing this with you as intelligent adults. You are one to which I speak that I have gained a great deal of respect for in regards to your thoughts and comments. Not to mention you crack my ass up. That being said lets discuss…

    I think that maybe we are both correct to a degree. Yes you are right, I have seen the list of the black children missing but not forgotten. But did you also see the list of blond hair/blue eyed little girls specifically between the ages of 2-3 that was being investigated for a match to baby Grace?

    The number of missing children (of all races) is horrifying! But I’ll tell you that I have not heard of about 95% of them. Infact, when I found this site I was appauled at what I was seeing and if you recall my posts from the very begining here it took some convincing by Morbid for me to really grasp that the numbers for these violent crimes and missing childern are not actually increasing, just more reported. Even so I didn’t know about 90% of these stories until coming here.

    Actually every single time I turn on my computer CNN comes up as my home page. And truthfully I saw much more of what happened with Rowan than I have for Riley. There was some on Baby Grace and Some on Riley. But now both are gone, unless you begin searching for past articles.

    I am sure the local news covers these events for longer, but me living in Southern California, if the story is not near it comes and goes very quickly once they determine the offenders have been caught. The missing and unknown seem last a bit longer, but eventually they move on too. And I agree that is an absolute shame!!! I still however don’t believe that the race of a child makes people feel differently about what has happened to them.

    I will agree with you however that those who are wealthier are able to keep the stories in the lime light for a longer period of time. But I don’t believe it has to do directly with their race. It has to do with the fact that they have more money so can take longer periods of time off of work to create awarness or to travel to DC and such places. As in the case of Madelaine McCann. Her parents are Physicians and have the money to spend time doing the things they have done to keep her case in the forefront, it’s not because she is a white/blond little girl. Unfortunately those not as wealthy do not have that luxury. I agree that’s not fair or just, but the way it is.

    Am I making any sense?

  • Kristi

    Kathy, same to you in that I mean no disrespect and am discussing this with you as intelligent adults. You are one to which I speak that I have gained a great deal of respect for in regards to your thoughts and comments. Not to mention you crack my ass up. That being said lets discuss…

    I think that maybe we are both correct to a degree. Yes you are right, I have seen the list of the black children missing but not forgotten. But did you also see the list of blond hair/blue eyed little girls specifically between the ages of 2-3 that was being investigated for a match to baby Grace?

    The number of missing children (of all races) is horrifying! But I’ll tell you that I have not heard of about 95% of them. Infact, when I found this site I was appauled at what I was seeing and if you recall my posts from the very begining here it took some convincing by Morbid for me to really grasp that the numbers for these violent crimes and missing childern are not actually increasing, just more reported. Even so I didn’t know about 90% of these stories until coming here.

    Actually every single time I turn on my computer CNN comes up as my home page. And truthfully I saw much more of what happened with Rowan than I have for Riley. There was some on Baby Grace and Some on Riley. But now both are gone, unless you begin searching for past articles.

    I am sure the local news covers these events for longer, but me living in Southern California, if the story is not near it comes and goes very quickly once they determine the offenders have been caught. The missing and unknown seem last a bit longer, but eventually they move on too. And I agree that is an absolute shame!!! I still however don’t believe that the race of a child makes people feel differently about what has happened to them.

    I will agree with you however that those who are wealthier are able to keep the stories in the lime light for a longer period of time. But I don’t believe it has to do directly with their race. It has to do with the fact that they have more money so can take longer periods of time off of work to create awarness or to travel to DC and such places. As in the case of Madelaine McCann. Her parents are Physicians and have the money to spend time doing the things they have done to keep her case in the forefront, it’s not because she is a white/blond little girl. Unfortunately those not as wealthy do not have that luxury. I agree that’s not fair or just, but the way it is.

    Am I making any sense?

  • Kristi

    Kathy, same to you in that I mean no disrespect and am discussing this with you as intelligent adults. You are one to which I speak that I have gained a great deal of respect for in regards to your thoughts and comments. Not to mention you crack my ass up. That being said lets discuss…

    I think that maybe we are both correct to a degree. Yes you are right, I have seen the list of the black children missing but not forgotten. But did you also see the list of blond hair/blue eyed little girls specifically between the ages of 2-3 that was being investigated for a match to baby Grace?

    The number of missing children (of all races) is horrifying! But I’ll tell you that I have not heard of about 95% of them. Infact, when I found this site I was appauled at what I was seeing and if you recall my posts from the very begining here it took some convincing by Morbid for me to really grasp that the numbers for these violent crimes and missing childern are not actually increasing, just more reported. Even so I didn’t know about 90% of these stories until coming here.

    Actually every single time I turn on my computer CNN comes up as my home page. And truthfully I saw much more of what happened with Rowan than I have for Riley. There was some on Baby Grace and Some on Riley. But now both are gone, unless you begin searching for past articles.

    I am sure the local news covers these events for longer, but me living in Southern California, if the story is not near it comes and goes very quickly once they determine the offenders have been caught. The missing and unknown seem last a bit longer, but eventually they move on too. And I agree that is an absolute shame!!! I still however don’t believe that the race of a child makes people feel differently about what has happened to them.

    I will agree with you however that those who are wealthier are able to keep the stories in the lime light for a longer period of time. But I don’t believe it has to do directly with their race. It has to do with the fact that they have more money so can take longer periods of time off of work to create awarness or to travel to DC and such places. As in the case of Madelaine McCann. Her parents are Physicians and have the money to spend time doing the things they have done to keep her case in the forefront, it’s not because she is a white/blond little girl. Unfortunately those not as wealthy do not have that luxury. I agree that’s not fair or just, but the way it is.

    Am I making any sense?

  • Kathy

    “I still however don’t believe that the race of a child makes people feel differently about what has happened to them.”

    I agree with that point.

    However, the race of the child or adult DOES affect whether or not the media chooses to cover them, which is what I take issue with.

  • Kathy

    “I still however don’t believe that the race of a child makes people feel differently about what has happened to them.”

    I agree with that point.

    However, the race of the child or adult DOES affect whether or not the media chooses to cover them, which is what I take issue with.

  • Kathy

    “I still however don’t believe that the race of a child makes people feel differently about what has happened to them.”

    I agree with that point.

    However, the race of the child or adult DOES affect whether or not the media chooses to cover them, which is what I take issue with.

  • thepooh5

    Sometimes, its not always about the color, we are forgetting, how much money do they have? Money is a big issue. If a poor kid goes missing, its a missing child case. If a rich kid goes missing, its a “high profile” missing child case and usually becomes international.

    None of it is fair – color or money. I guess we’ll just have to count on Morbid to make us aware of ALL kids. He does such a great job.

  • thepooh5

    Sometimes, its not always about the color, we are forgetting, how much money do they have? Money is a big issue. If a poor kid goes missing, its a missing child case. If a rich kid goes missing, its a “high profile” missing child case and usually becomes international.

    None of it is fair – color or money. I guess we’ll just have to count on Morbid to make us aware of ALL kids. He does such a great job.

  • thepooh5

    Sometimes, its not always about the color, we are forgetting, how much money do they have? Money is a big issue. If a poor kid goes missing, its a missing child case. If a rich kid goes missing, its a “high profile” missing child case and usually becomes international.

    None of it is fair – color or money. I guess we’ll just have to count on Morbid to make us aware of ALL kids. He does such a great job.

  • Kathy

    “I still however don’t believe that the race of a child makes people feel differently about what has happened to them.”

    I agree with that point.

    However, the race of the child or adult DOES affect whether or not the media chooses to cover them, which is what I take issue with.

  • thepooh5

    Sometimes, its not always about the color, we are forgetting, how much money do they have? Money is a big issue. If a poor kid goes missing, its a missing child case. If a rich kid goes missing, its a “high profile” missing child case and usually becomes international.

    None of it is fair – color or money. I guess we’ll just have to count on Morbid to make us aware of ALL kids. He does such a great job.

  • believe909

    You are fooling yourself if you do not believe that color determines the type of media coverage a case receives, regardless of whether or not it is child related or burglary. We could start a whole ‘nother thread on this-I would like to think however that the detectives in Galveston would have been so moved and held up a shoe if the container held a child of darker skin…I have to believe this myself or it will make me crazy.

  • believe909

    You are fooling yourself if you do not believe that color determines the type of media coverage a case receives, regardless of whether or not it is child related or burglary. We could start a whole ‘nother thread on this-I would like to think however that the detectives in Galveston would have been so moved and held up a shoe if the container held a child of darker skin…I have to believe this myself or it will make me crazy.

  • believe909

    You are fooling yourself if you do not believe that color determines the type of media coverage a case receives, regardless of whether or not it is child related or burglary. We could start a whole ‘nother thread on this-I would like to think however that the detectives in Galveston would have been so moved and held up a shoe if the container held a child of darker skin…I have to believe this myself or it will make me crazy.

  • believe909

    You are fooling yourself if you do not believe that color determines the type of media coverage a case receives, regardless of whether or not it is child related or burglary. We could start a whole ‘nother thread on this-I would like to think however that the detectives in Galveston would have been so moved and held up a shoe if the container held a child of darker skin…I have to believe this myself or it will make me crazy.

  • Wonder

    my biggest problems with this case is the charges DO NOT NO WAY FIT THE CRIME
    have they yet increased the bond or added more charges that is crazy

    the cost they caused everyone including the community county city state funeral home the list is long the frensics the woman and men that made the cross furnished toys flowers food candles on and on

    this is all unhuman and to answer the questions yes !

    nearly 2 months 10 weeks in the sterlite container in the backyard garden shed in the hottest part of the summer.

    then 2 weeks alone in the water adds up to 3 months

    How in the Hell could you manage – sleeping and crying 24/7 not eating – seems impossible to be living in that house when your dead daughter is decomposing unaturally. OMG OMG you would have to be crazy to live that way.

    Zieglers idea to forge the children services document.
    unbeivable Kimberly would be able to keep it together mentally to even operate a laptop.

    I’m still wondering if he returned to work – I imagine that he quit to keep her from telling someone guarding her whereabouts and any phone communications.

    I think its very manly of him to try to protect her by taking all the blame and then ending his life to spare her of prison. I am so glad she confess so she can’t walk. It really pisses me off the charges that Tx has issues seem so Minute for this crime.
    (Can it be so…. I would imagine that if your going to do something like this go to Texas and walk with a hand slap). the advadit states 250,000 bond is set. of course that could just be the single charge not the total of all equaling 350,000 – 10% prob to get out don’t seem like much.

    Maybe their case load is so large there they are taking the lazy way out to say they don’t want to have to prove an intent to kill – what should that matter They both need the death penelty 3 times fold.

    kimberly just follows orders from Ziegler he didnt give a rats ass surely they had to realized they couldn’t pull that off too long. Any family member would obviously tried to get gardianship from the child protection agency
    Kimberly had to be mental to believe that she could continue to make people believe Ohio had her in foster system without a record of ohio having her that wasn’t going to fly

  • Wonder

    my biggest problems with this case is the charges DO NOT NO WAY FIT THE CRIME
    have they yet increased the bond or added more charges that is crazy

    the cost they caused everyone including the community county city state funeral home the list is long the frensics the woman and men that made the cross furnished toys flowers food candles on and on

    this is all unhuman and to answer the questions yes !

    nearly 2 months 10 weeks in the sterlite container in the backyard garden shed in the hottest part of the summer.

    then 2 weeks alone in the water adds up to 3 months

    How in the Hell could you manage – sleeping and crying 24/7 not eating – seems impossible to be living in that house when your dead daughter is decomposing unaturally. OMG OMG you would have to be crazy to live that way.

    Zieglers idea to forge the children services document.
    unbeivable Kimberly would be able to keep it together mentally to even operate a laptop.

    I’m still wondering if he returned to work – I imagine that he quit to keep her from telling someone guarding her whereabouts and any phone communications.

    I think its very manly of him to try to protect her by taking all the blame and then ending his life to spare her of prison. I am so glad she confess so she can’t walk. It really pisses me off the charges that Tx has issues seem so Minute for this crime.
    (Can it be so…. I would imagine that if your going to do something like this go to Texas and walk with a hand slap). the advadit states 250,000 bond is set. of course that could just be the single charge not the total of all equaling 350,000 – 10% prob to get out don’t seem like much.

    Maybe their case load is so large there they are taking the lazy way out to say they don’t want to have to prove an intent to kill – what should that matter They both need the death penelty 3 times fold.

    kimberly just follows orders from Ziegler he didnt give a rats ass surely they had to realized they couldn’t pull that off too long. Any family member would obviously tried to get gardianship from the child protection agency
    Kimberly had to be mental to believe that she could continue to make people believe Ohio had her in foster system without a record of ohio having her that wasn’t going to fly

  • Wonder

    my biggest problems with this case is the charges DO NOT NO WAY FIT THE CRIME
    have they yet increased the bond or added more charges that is crazy

    the cost they caused everyone including the community county city state funeral home the list is long the frensics the woman and men that made the cross furnished toys flowers food candles on and on

    this is all unhuman and to answer the questions yes !

    nearly 2 months 10 weeks in the sterlite container in the backyard garden shed in the hottest part of the summer.

    then 2 weeks alone in the water adds up to 3 months

    How in the Hell could you manage – sleeping and crying 24/7 not eating – seems impossible to be living in that house when your dead daughter is decomposing unaturally. OMG OMG you would have to be crazy to live that way.

    Zieglers idea to forge the children services document.
    unbeivable Kimberly would be able to keep it together mentally to even operate a laptop.

    I’m still wondering if he returned to work – I imagine that he quit to keep her from telling someone guarding her whereabouts and any phone communications.

    I think its very manly of him to try to protect her by taking all the blame and then ending his life to spare her of prison. I am so glad she confess so she can’t walk. It really pisses me off the charges that Tx has issues seem so Minute for this crime.
    (Can it be so…. I would imagine that if your going to do something like this go to Texas and walk with a hand slap). the advadit states 250,000 bond is set. of course that could just be the single charge not the total of all equaling 350,000 – 10% prob to get out don’t seem like much.

    Maybe their case load is so large there they are taking the lazy way out to say they don’t want to have to prove an intent to kill – what should that matter They both need the death penelty 3 times fold.

    kimberly just follows orders from Ziegler he didnt give a rats ass surely they had to realized they couldn’t pull that off too long. Any family member would obviously tried to get gardianship from the child protection agency
    Kimberly had to be mental to believe that she could continue to make people believe Ohio had her in foster system without a record of ohio having her that wasn’t going to fly

  • Kristi

    Kathy, and I agree with you about the media. But I am not convinced what the media does is based on color. There are pleanty of reporters who are of a different race than white, so why would they choose to only report about crimes against the white.

    I still strongly believe it has more to do with the money. And those who have it are able to make use of it to make their plight more well known than those who do not. Do you not agree with that? Those with more money can go to radio stations and television stations and congress and whomever to make sure they are not forgotten. And they do it all the time!

  • Kristi

    Kathy, and I agree with you about the media. But I am not convinced what the media does is based on color. There are pleanty of reporters who are of a different race than white, so why would they choose to only report about crimes against the white.

    I still strongly believe it has more to do with the money. And those who have it are able to make use of it to make their plight more well known than those who do not. Do you not agree with that? Those with more money can go to radio stations and television stations and congress and whomever to make sure they are not forgotten. And they do it all the time!

  • Kristi

    Kathy, and I agree with you about the media. But I am not convinced what the media does is based on color. There are pleanty of reporters who are of a different race than white, so why would they choose to only report about crimes against the white.

    I still strongly believe it has more to do with the money. And those who have it are able to make use of it to make their plight more well known than those who do not. Do you not agree with that? Those with more money can go to radio stations and television stations and congress and whomever to make sure they are not forgotten. And they do it all the time!

  • Kristi

    Kathy, and I agree with you about the media. But I am not convinced what the media does is based on color. There are pleanty of reporters who are of a different race than white, so why would they choose to only report about crimes against the white.

    I still strongly believe it has more to do with the money. And those who have it are able to make use of it to make their plight more well known than those who do not. Do you not agree with that? Those with more money can go to radio stations and television stations and congress and whomever to make sure they are not forgotten. And they do it all the time!

  • Kristi

    Kathy, and I agree with you about the media. But I am not convinced what the media does is based on color. There are pleanty of reporters who are of a different race than white, so why would they choose to only report about crimes against the white.

    I still strongly believe it has more to do with the money. And those who have it are able to make use of it to make their plight more well known than those who do not. Do you not agree with that? Those with more money can go to radio stations and television stations and congress and whomever to make sure they are not forgotten. And they do it all the time!

  • Wonder

    preg. with Roberts baby? don’t think so
    I am interested how far along she is tho

    I feel so badly for the sawyers !!! The positive side after the Trial he can wash his hands of Kimberly Trenor and hopefully have a Happy life (next 80 years)

    I imagine she was an emotional mess prior to / after leaving sawyers house.
    I’m not saying men don’t but females do get really wound up in relationships breaking up is very Tough to do. She had lots on her plate. Kimberly and Robert apparently broke up 2 months before she left the home of Rileys grandmother (Ms Sawyers). Robert The father had a new g/f and she was a couple months pregnant. Roberts son is already 2 months old.

    Guess it ended ugly since she pressed charges on Riley’s father and more then likely child support and visitation was in the works. I doubt support was yet being sent from an Ohio county to Tx.

    If you watch the press conference video that is the baby and mother in the center room of the room – she looks like a great mother.

  • Wonder

    preg. with Roberts baby? don’t think so
    I am interested how far along she is tho

    I feel so badly for the sawyers !!! The positive side after the Trial he can wash his hands of Kimberly Trenor and hopefully have a Happy life (next 80 years)

    I imagine she was an emotional mess prior to / after leaving sawyers house.
    I’m not saying men don’t but females do get really wound up in relationships breaking up is very Tough to do. She had lots on her plate. Kimberly and Robert apparently broke up 2 months before she left the home of Rileys grandmother (Ms Sawyers). Robert The father had a new g/f and she was a couple months pregnant. Roberts son is already 2 months old.

    Guess it ended ugly since she pressed charges on Riley’s father and more then likely child support and visitation was in the works. I doubt support was yet being sent from an Ohio county to Tx.

    If you watch the press conference video that is the baby and mother in the center room of the room – she looks like a great mother.

  • Wonder

    preg. with Roberts baby? don’t think so
    I am interested how far along she is tho

    I feel so badly for the sawyers !!! The positive side after the Trial he can wash his hands of Kimberly Trenor and hopefully have a Happy life (next 80 years)

    I imagine she was an emotional mess prior to / after leaving sawyers house.
    I’m not saying men don’t but females do get really wound up in relationships breaking up is very Tough to do. She had lots on her plate. Kimberly and Robert apparently broke up 2 months before she left the home of Rileys grandmother (Ms Sawyers). Robert The father had a new g/f and she was a couple months pregnant. Roberts son is already 2 months old.

    Guess it ended ugly since she pressed charges on Riley’s father and more then likely child support and visitation was in the works. I doubt support was yet being sent from an Ohio county to Tx.

    If you watch the press conference video that is the baby and mother in the center room of the room – she looks like a great mother.

  • Wonder

    preg. with Roberts baby? don’t think so
    I am interested how far along she is tho

    I feel so badly for the sawyers !!! The positive side after the Trial he can wash his hands of Kimberly Trenor and hopefully have a Happy life (next 80 years)

    I imagine she was an emotional mess prior to / after leaving sawyers house.
    I’m not saying men don’t but females do get really wound up in relationships breaking up is very Tough to do. She had lots on her plate. Kimberly and Robert apparently broke up 2 months before she left the home of Rileys grandmother (Ms Sawyers). Robert The father had a new g/f and she was a couple months pregnant. Roberts son is already 2 months old.

    Guess it ended ugly since she pressed charges on Riley’s father and more then likely child support and visitation was in the works. I doubt support was yet being sent from an Ohio county to Tx.

    If you watch the press conference video that is the baby and mother in the center room of the room – she looks like a great mother.

  • Kristi

    Believe, I choose to agree with you and can’t imagine that the color of that little body would have made an ounce of difference. However I am not fooling myself and I am not blind, deaf or dumb. There are certain aspects of the media that are and have been color biased for a long time. But not in the case of abused and missing children, and that’s what I am talking about here, they all matter the same, and I don’t see a difference in the media. Maybe it’s because of where I live, but I just don’t.

    As far as color discrimination in the media, I also believe it’s getting better, as is evident by the headlines on CNN today.

  • Kristi

    Believe, I choose to agree with you and can’t imagine that the color of that little body would have made an ounce of difference. However I am not fooling myself and I am not blind, deaf or dumb. There are certain aspects of the media that are and have been color biased for a long time. But not in the case of abused and missing children, and that’s what I am talking about here, they all matter the same, and I don’t see a difference in the media. Maybe it’s because of where I live, but I just don’t.

    As far as color discrimination in the media, I also believe it’s getting better, as is evident by the headlines on CNN today.

  • Kristi

    Believe, I choose to agree with you and can’t imagine that the color of that little body would have made an ounce of difference. However I am not fooling myself and I am not blind, deaf or dumb. There are certain aspects of the media that are and have been color biased for a long time. But not in the case of abused and missing children, and that’s what I am talking about here, they all matter the same, and I don’t see a difference in the media. Maybe it’s because of where I live, but I just don’t.

    As far as color discrimination in the media, I also believe it’s getting better, as is evident by the headlines on CNN today.

  • Wonder

    Lets just say Riley walked in front of the tv while he played video games. He grabbed her not realizing his strenght and Kimberly said Hey be nice! Then 30 min later she did it again and he smacked her with the leather belt. Kimberly screams at him cussing him out and maybe he hits Kimberly knocks her around some and she can’t deal with her daughter cause she is busy fighting with him. Kimberly took her outside or laid her down for a nap. She comes in from playing with her doll that does the pee thing and made a water pile on the floor. So he holds her head under water. How much you going to take before you do something to stop it.

    This had to be building in the prior days. Opened the frigerator without saying please. (not saying a two year can) maybe spilling cereal on the floor Right !!! How about the 10 mins the day(s) before – She had to feel that it was wrong to punish a child of that age the way he describe (expected) her too – that is why he choose to stay home from work.

    I suppose I feared the law and smart enough not to risk going to jail – I couldn’t handle the pressure being away from my child(ren) killing someone is not an option either unless of course it was witnessed as self defense but if it is was my word against his or left in the hands of the law enforcers which I don’t have lots of faith in. The thing to do is to escape…. as soon as he started talking about some out of the ordinary disipline plan… from his statement I seem to think he has no children of his own. Kimberly at 19 should know he is no expert on the subject.

    She wanted to take the child to the hospital – Ziegler wouldn’t allow it afraid they would be arrested. [:(]

  • Wonder

    Lets just say Riley walked in front of the tv while he played video games. He grabbed her not realizing his strenght and Kimberly said Hey be nice! Then 30 min later she did it again and he smacked her with the leather belt. Kimberly screams at him cussing him out and maybe he hits Kimberly knocks her around some and she can’t deal with her daughter cause she is busy fighting with him. Kimberly took her outside or laid her down for a nap. She comes in from playing with her doll that does the pee thing and made a water pile on the floor. So he holds her head under water. How much you going to take before you do something to stop it.

    This had to be building in the prior days. Opened the frigerator without saying please. (not saying a two year can) maybe spilling cereal on the floor Right !!! How about the 10 mins the day(s) before – She had to feel that it was wrong to punish a child of that age the way he describe (expected) her too – that is why he choose to stay home from work.

    I suppose I feared the law and smart enough not to risk going to jail – I couldn’t handle the pressure being away from my child(ren) killing someone is not an option either unless of course it was witnessed as self defense but if it is was my word against his or left in the hands of the law enforcers which I don’t have lots of faith in. The thing to do is to escape…. as soon as he started talking about some out of the ordinary disipline plan… from his statement I seem to think he has no children of his own. Kimberly at 19 should know he is no expert on the subject.

    She wanted to take the child to the hospital – Ziegler wouldn’t allow it afraid they would be arrested. [:(]

  • Kristi

    Wonder, I too was appauled by the charges. However, when I saw one of the news reports from a link posted here it made me feel a tad better.

    Don’t know if you saw it, but if I understood it correctly then basically the lower charges currently in place will be enough to put them away for life because they are neglect charges derived from neglect and abuse to a child under 6. And therefore the attorney’s do not have to go to the lengths to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they “meant” to kill her. Point being that why risk that they could possibly get off on a lighter sentence if they could not prove intent to kill, if they can get the same life sentence result by going after the for sure cut and dry case.

    Though personally I would like to see them go with the heavier charges that would illicet the “Capital Punishment” verdict. They need to die. And it certainly appears that have the evidence to get it!

  • Kristi

    Wonder, I too was appauled by the charges. However, when I saw one of the news reports from a link posted here it made me feel a tad better.

    Don’t know if you saw it, but if I understood it correctly then basically the lower charges currently in place will be enough to put them away for life because they are neglect charges derived from neglect and abuse to a child under 6. And therefore the attorney’s do not have to go to the lengths to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they “meant” to kill her. Point being that why risk that they could possibly get off on a lighter sentence if they could not prove intent to kill, if they can get the same life sentence result by going after the for sure cut and dry case.

    Though personally I would like to see them go with the heavier charges that would illicet the “Capital Punishment” verdict. They need to die. And it certainly appears that have the evidence to get it!

  • Kristi

    Wonder, I too was appauled by the charges. However, when I saw one of the news reports from a link posted here it made me feel a tad better.

    Don’t know if you saw it, but if I understood it correctly then basically the lower charges currently in place will be enough to put them away for life because they are neglect charges derived from neglect and abuse to a child under 6. And therefore the attorney’s do not have to go to the lengths to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they “meant” to kill her. Point being that why risk that they could possibly get off on a lighter sentence if they could not prove intent to kill, if they can get the same life sentence result by going after the for sure cut and dry case.

    Though personally I would like to see them go with the heavier charges that would illicet the “Capital Punishment” verdict. They need to die. And it certainly appears that have the evidence to get it!

  • Kristi

    Wonder, I too was appauled by the charges. However, when I saw one of the news reports from a link posted here it made me feel a tad better.

    Don’t know if you saw it, but if I understood it correctly then basically the lower charges currently in place will be enough to put them away for life because they are neglect charges derived from neglect and abuse to a child under 6. And therefore the attorney’s do not have to go to the lengths to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they “meant” to kill her. Point being that why risk that they could possibly get off on a lighter sentence if they could not prove intent to kill, if they can get the same life sentence result by going after the for sure cut and dry case.

    Though personally I would like to see them go with the heavier charges that would illicet the “Capital Punishment” verdict. They need to die. And it certainly appears that have the evidence to get it!

  • Wonder

    i agree Kristi and I don’t think Kathy this is the place to rant about racism sorry you are entitled to your opinion but its really starting to annoy me sorry.

    In my opinion I think that alot of the missing are run aways or they are with the non custodial parent in the underground.

    could be they are investigating and don’t want to spill too many beans … one reason that comes to mind is there are so many crazys out here the come forward purposely misleading the investigation.

    Once they have the suspect leads or area they do start publicising it much much more

    and with Baby Grace Its the location that took it upon themselves to do the memorial and the virgil

    Marcus Fiesals case is here near by me in the next county over he was a Foster kid they didn’t have money his mother was a low life his foster parent were too and the foster mother allowed her husbands lover to stay with them in the house

    the rolled him in a blanket duck tapes him around his feet and shoulders and left him in a closet in august 100 degree heat while the 3 adults their kids and they took the dog one hundred something miles from home to a family reuinion and then 10 days later was in a park ask the community to help them he wondered off while she had a fainting spell from a bad heart. all a long she knew the other two took his body poured gasoline on him burned him and took the remaining body parts and dumped it in the river off a bridge.

    These people make me sick … they had thousands of people combing the miles of ground searching in bushes garbage cans you name it.

    those people really need burned when they involve manpower from all other when they could be working on more important cases.

    what to know more look it up … it was on the new day and night for way over 14 solid months

    Things pick up once the trial gets rolling too …. it just take so damn long to get to court and then continious delays and new dates it takesssssssss too long

    I am still trying to figure why did all of David Spears DUI court dates get bumped and bumped ?

  • Wonder

    i agree Kristi and I don’t think Kathy this is the place to rant about racism sorry you are entitled to your opinion but its really starting to annoy me sorry.

    In my opinion I think that alot of the missing are run aways or they are with the non custodial parent in the underground.

    could be they are investigating and don’t want to spill too many beans … one reason that comes to mind is there are so many crazys out here the come forward purposely misleading the investigation.

    Once they have the suspect leads or area they do start publicising it much much more

    and with Baby Grace Its the location that took it upon themselves to do the memorial and the virgil

    Marcus Fiesals case is here near by me in the next county over he was a Foster kid they didn’t have money his mother was a low life his foster parent were too and the foster mother allowed her husbands lover to stay with them in the house

    the rolled him in a blanket duck tapes him around his feet and shoulders and left him in a closet in august 100 degree heat while the 3 adults their kids and they took the dog one hundred something miles from home to a family reuinion and then 10 days later was in a park ask the community to help them he wondered off while she had a fainting spell from a bad heart. all a long she knew the other two took his body poured gasoline on him burned him and took the remaining body parts and dumped it in the river off a bridge.

    These people make me sick … they had thousands of people combing the miles of ground searching in bushes garbage cans you name it.

    those people really need burned when they involve manpower from all other when they could be working on more important cases.

    what to know more look it up … it was on the new day and night for way over 14 solid months

    Things pick up once the trial gets rolling too …. it just take so damn long to get to court and then continious delays and new dates it takesssssssss too long

    I am still trying to figure why did all of David Spears DUI court dates get bumped and bumped ?

  • Wonder

    i agree Kristi and I don’t think Kathy this is the place to rant about racism sorry you are entitled to your opinion but its really starting to annoy me sorry.

    In my opinion I think that alot of the missing are run aways or they are with the non custodial parent in the underground.

    could be they are investigating and don’t want to spill too many beans … one reason that comes to mind is there are so many crazys out here the come forward purposely misleading the investigation.

    Once they have the suspect leads or area they do start publicising it much much more

    and with Baby Grace Its the location that took it upon themselves to do the memorial and the virgil

    Marcus Fiesals case is here near by me in the next county over he was a Foster kid they didn’t have money his mother was a low life his foster parent were too and the foster mother allowed her husbands lover to stay with them in the house

    the rolled him in a blanket duck tapes him around his feet and shoulders and left him in a closet in august 100 degree heat while the 3 adults their kids and they took the dog one hundred something miles from home to a family reuinion and then 10 days later was in a park ask the community to help them he wondered off while she had a fainting spell from a bad heart. all a long she knew the other two took his body poured gasoline on him burned him and took the remaining body parts and dumped it in the river off a bridge.

    These people make me sick … they had thousands of people combing the miles of ground searching in bushes garbage cans you name it.

    those people really need burned when they involve manpower from all other when they could be working on more important cases.

    what to know more look it up … it was on the new day and night for way over 14 solid months

    Things pick up once the trial gets rolling too …. it just take so damn long to get to court and then continious delays and new dates it takesssssssss too long

    I am still trying to figure why did all of David Spears DUI court dates get bumped and bumped ?

  • Wonder

    i agree Kristi and I don’t think Kathy this is the place to rant about racism sorry you are entitled to your opinion but its really starting to annoy me sorry.

    In my opinion I think that alot of the missing are run aways or they are with the non custodial parent in the underground.

    could be they are investigating and don’t want to spill too many beans … one reason that comes to mind is there are so many crazys out here the come forward purposely misleading the investigation.

    Once they have the suspect leads or area they do start publicising it much much more

    and with Baby Grace Its the location that took it upon themselves to do the memorial and the virgil

    Marcus Fiesals case is here near by me in the next county over he was a Foster kid they didn’t have money his mother was a low life his foster parent were too and the foster mother allowed her husbands lover to stay with them in the house

    the rolled him in a blanket duck tapes him around his feet and shoulders and left him in a closet in august 100 degree heat while the 3 adults their kids and they took the dog one hundred something miles from home to a family reuinion and then 10 days later was in a park ask the community to help them he wondered off while she had a fainting spell from a bad heart. all a long she knew the other two took his body poured gasoline on him burned him and took the remaining body parts and dumped it in the river off a bridge.

    These people make me sick … they had thousands of people combing the miles of ground searching in bushes garbage cans you name it.

    those people really need burned when they involve manpower from all other when they could be working on more important cases.

    what to know more look it up … it was on the new day and night for way over 14 solid months

    Things pick up once the trial gets rolling too …. it just take so damn long to get to court and then continious delays and new dates it takesssssssss too long

    I am still trying to figure why did all of David Spears DUI court dates get bumped and bumped ?

  • Wonder

    i agree Kristi and I don’t think Kathy this is the place to rant about racism sorry you are entitled to your opinion but its really starting to annoy me sorry.

    In my opinion I think that alot of the missing are run aways or they are with the non custodial parent in the underground.

    could be they are investigating and don’t want to spill too many beans … one reason that comes to mind is there are so many crazys out here the come forward purposely misleading the investigation.

    Once they have the suspect leads or area they do start publicising it much much more

    and with Baby Grace Its the location that took it upon themselves to do the memorial and the virgil

    Marcus Fiesals case is here near by me in the next county over he was a Foster kid they didn’t have money his mother was a low life his foster parent were too and the foster mother allowed her husbands lover to stay with them in the house

    the rolled him in a blanket duck tapes him around his feet and shoulders and left him in a closet in august 100 degree heat while the 3 adults their kids and they took the dog one hundred something miles from home to a family reuinion and then 10 days later was in a park ask the community to help them he wondered off while she had a fainting spell from a bad heart. all a long she knew the other two took his body poured gasoline on him burned him and took the remaining body parts and dumped it in the river off a bridge.

    These people make me sick … they had thousands of people combing the miles of ground searching in bushes garbage cans you name it.

    those people really need burned when they involve manpower from all other when they could be working on more important cases.

    what to know more look it up … it was on the new day and night for way over 14 solid months

    Things pick up once the trial gets rolling too …. it just take so damn long to get to court and then continious delays and new dates it takesssssssss too long

    I am still trying to figure why did all of David Spears DUI court dates get bumped and bumped ?

  • Wonder

    im sorry but that makes no sense to me sounds like they have made a plead deal already they don’t need life they need the death verdict.

    here life you can get out in 8-12 with good behavior

    there are a rack of charges that they can add to that as I stated above

    reasonable death is that they confessed – so cut them up in little piece put them in buckets and let the tourist feed them to the alligators stingrays

    when i cut piece i mean while they are alive piece by piece

    Texas must be the place to do the crime and get off easy all i can say
    bunch of lazy’s maybe the state is too big for their own britches maybe they are too conserved with protecting the borders from all the ilegal mexicans
    I don’t get it

    sure didnt make me feel better

    have you heard how far preg. kim is ?
    did zielger return to work the following day or was he guarding the eye wittness
    I’m sure he had to be paranoid of what she might try next after she got off her high ya think

  • Wonder

    im sorry but that makes no sense to me sounds like they have made a plead deal already they don’t need life they need the death verdict.

    here life you can get out in 8-12 with good behavior

    there are a rack of charges that they can add to that as I stated above

    reasonable death is that they confessed – so cut them up in little piece put them in buckets and let the tourist feed them to the alligators stingrays

    when i cut piece i mean while they are alive piece by piece

    Texas must be the place to do the crime and get off easy all i can say
    bunch of lazy’s maybe the state is too big for their own britches maybe they are too conserved with protecting the borders from all the ilegal mexicans
    I don’t get it

    sure didnt make me feel better

    have you heard how far preg. kim is ?
    did zielger return to work the following day or was he guarding the eye wittness
    I’m sure he had to be paranoid of what she might try next after she got off her high ya think

  • Wonder

    im sorry but that makes no sense to me sounds like they have made a plead deal already they don’t need life they need the death verdict.

    here life you can get out in 8-12 with good behavior

    there are a rack of charges that they can add to that as I stated above

    reasonable death is that they confessed – so cut them up in little piece put them in buckets and let the tourist feed them to the alligators stingrays

    when i cut piece i mean while they are alive piece by piece

    Texas must be the place to do the crime and get off easy all i can say
    bunch of lazy’s maybe the state is too big for their own britches maybe they are too conserved with protecting the borders from all the ilegal mexicans
    I don’t get it

    sure didnt make me feel better

    have you heard how far preg. kim is ?
    did zielger return to work the following day or was he guarding the eye wittness
    I’m sure he had to be paranoid of what she might try next after she got off her high ya think

  • Wonder

    im sorry but that makes no sense to me sounds like they have made a plead deal already they don’t need life they need the death verdict.

    here life you can get out in 8-12 with good behavior

    there are a rack of charges that they can add to that as I stated above

    reasonable death is that they confessed – so cut them up in little piece put them in buckets and let the tourist feed them to the alligators stingrays

    when i cut piece i mean while they are alive piece by piece

    Texas must be the place to do the crime and get off easy all i can say
    bunch of lazy’s maybe the state is too big for their own britches maybe they are too conserved with protecting the borders from all the ilegal mexicans
    I don’t get it

    sure didnt make me feel better

    have you heard how far preg. kim is ?
    did zielger return to work the following day or was he guarding the eye wittness
    I’m sure he had to be paranoid of what she might try next after she got off her high ya think

  • Wonder

    im sorry but that makes no sense to me sounds like they have made a plead deal already they don’t need life they need the death verdict.

    here life you can get out in 8-12 with good behavior

    there are a rack of charges that they can add to that as I stated above

    reasonable death is that they confessed – so cut them up in little piece put them in buckets and let the tourist feed them to the alligators stingrays

    when i cut piece i mean while they are alive piece by piece

    Texas must be the place to do the crime and get off easy all i can say
    bunch of lazy’s maybe the state is too big for their own britches maybe they are too conserved with protecting the borders from all the ilegal mexicans
    I don’t get it

    sure didnt make me feel better

    have you heard how far preg. kim is ?
    did zielger return to work the following day or was he guarding the eye wittness
    I’m sure he had to be paranoid of what she might try next after she got off her high ya think

  • Kathy

    Wonder, you obviously don’t know me at all. I am not one to rant about racism. Sorry if I annoy you, but you never did clarify your statement about the “is there a white and missing section.” Now THAT annoyed me.

    “In my opinion I think that alot of the missing are run aways or they are with the non custodial parent in the underground.”

    Is this your opinion of ALL the missing?

    “and with Baby Grace Its the location that took it upon themselves to do the memorial and the virgil”

    I’m not talking about memorials and vigils. Those are always done by family and friends or concerned citizens. I’m talking about media coverage.

    and I know all about Marcus Fiesel. I’ve been following child abuse and neglect for years. It is a topic near and dear to my heart. Though I don’t know what your point is there.

  • Kathy

    Wonder, you obviously don’t know me at all. I am not one to rant about racism. Sorry if I annoy you, but you never did clarify your statement about the “is there a white and missing section.” Now THAT annoyed me.

    “In my opinion I think that alot of the missing are run aways or they are with the non custodial parent in the underground.”

    Is this your opinion of ALL the missing?

    “and with Baby Grace Its the location that took it upon themselves to do the memorial and the virgil”

    I’m not talking about memorials and vigils. Those are always done by family and friends or concerned citizens. I’m talking about media coverage.

    and I know all about Marcus Fiesel. I’ve been following child abuse and neglect for years. It is a topic near and dear to my heart. Though I don’t know what your point is there.

  • Kathy

    Wonder, you obviously don’t know me at all. I am not one to rant about racism. Sorry if I annoy you, but you never did clarify your statement about the “is there a white and missing section.” Now THAT annoyed me.

    “In my opinion I think that alot of the missing are run aways or they are with the non custodial parent in the underground.”

    Is this your opinion of ALL the missing?

    “and with Baby Grace Its the location that took it upon themselves to do the memorial and the virgil”

    I’m not talking about memorials and vigils. Those are always done by family and friends or concerned citizens. I’m talking about media coverage.

    and I know all about Marcus Fiesel. I’ve been following child abuse and neglect for years. It is a topic near and dear to my heart. Though I don’t know what your point is there.

  • Kathy

    Wonder, you obviously don’t know me at all. I am not one to rant about racism. Sorry if I annoy you, but you never did clarify your statement about the “is there a white and missing section.” Now THAT annoyed me.

    “In my opinion I think that alot of the missing are run aways or they are with the non custodial parent in the underground.”

    Is this your opinion of ALL the missing?

    “and with Baby Grace Its the location that took it upon themselves to do the memorial and the virgil”

    I’m not talking about memorials and vigils. Those are always done by family and friends or concerned citizens. I’m talking about media coverage.

    and I know all about Marcus Fiesel. I’ve been following child abuse and neglect for years. It is a topic near and dear to my heart. Though I don’t know what your point is there.

  • Kristi

    Wonder, that is a good point you bring up. I often wonder myself if alot of these “missing children” really aren’t. That maybe they have been taken by a parent or relative who has been brave enough to stand up and do something. Someone who has taken the initiative to get the child out of a bad situation and protect them to save their lives!

    You wouldn’t excpect an abusive father or mother for that matter, to go on the news and say “oh by the way my kid is missing, but thats cause I was beating him silly so my spouse has run off with him/her” now would you?

  • Kristi

    Wonder, that is a good point you bring up. I often wonder myself if alot of these “missing children” really aren’t. That maybe they have been taken by a parent or relative who has been brave enough to stand up and do something. Someone who has taken the initiative to get the child out of a bad situation and protect them to save their lives!

    You wouldn’t excpect an abusive father or mother for that matter, to go on the news and say “oh by the way my kid is missing, but thats cause I was beating him silly so my spouse has run off with him/her” now would you?

  • Kristi

    Wonder, that is a good point you bring up. I often wonder myself if alot of these “missing children” really aren’t. That maybe they have been taken by a parent or relative who has been brave enough to stand up and do something. Someone who has taken the initiative to get the child out of a bad situation and protect them to save their lives!

    You wouldn’t excpect an abusive father or mother for that matter, to go on the news and say “oh by the way my kid is missing, but thats cause I was beating him silly so my spouse has run off with him/her” now would you?

  • Kristi

    Wonder, that is a good point you bring up. I often wonder myself if alot of these “missing children” really aren’t. That maybe they have been taken by a parent or relative who has been brave enough to stand up and do something. Someone who has taken the initiative to get the child out of a bad situation and protect them to save their lives!

    You wouldn’t excpect an abusive father or mother for that matter, to go on the news and say “oh by the way my kid is missing, but thats cause I was beating him silly so my spouse has run off with him/her” now would you?

  • Kristi

    Kathy though your question about the missing children being hidden underground was not directed at me, I would like to clarify for me that NO, not all of them. But I sure hope its the case for “some” of them. I would like to think there are those out there who are strong enough to do good for children and get them out of a bad situation before it’s to late.

  • Kristi

    Kathy though your question about the missing children being hidden underground was not directed at me, I would like to clarify for me that NO, not all of them. But I sure hope its the case for “some” of them. I would like to think there are those out there who are strong enough to do good for children and get them out of a bad situation before it’s to late.

  • Kristi

    Kathy though your question about the missing children being hidden underground was not directed at me, I would like to clarify for me that NO, not all of them. But I sure hope its the case for “some” of them. I would like to think there are those out there who are strong enough to do good for children and get them out of a bad situation before it’s to late.

  • Kristi

    Kathy though your question about the missing children being hidden underground was not directed at me, I would like to clarify for me that NO, not all of them. But I sure hope its the case for “some” of them. I would like to think there are those out there who are strong enough to do good for children and get them out of a bad situation before it’s to late.

  • Kristi

    Kathy though your question about the missing children being hidden underground was not directed at me, I would like to clarify for me that NO, not all of them. But I sure hope its the case for “some” of them. I would like to think there are those out there who are strong enough to do good for children and get them out of a bad situation before it’s to late.

  • Kristi

    Wonder, it was difficult to tell if your comment (115) was directed to both Kathy and myself or just Kathy, but either way we are just discussing our views about why things are covered differently in the media. Sorry if you are annoyed by that but it’s important enough for us to want to discuss it.

    Also I agree with you about them needing to get death I was just trying to maybe shed a little light on why the attorney’s are taking the route that they are. Again I am not a lawyer, so I don’t have a good grasp on the legal system, I was just trying to relay what I heard on that report.

  • Kristi

    Wonder, it was difficult to tell if your comment (115) was directed to both Kathy and myself or just Kathy, but either way we are just discussing our views about why things are covered differently in the media. Sorry if you are annoyed by that but it’s important enough for us to want to discuss it.

    Also I agree with you about them needing to get death I was just trying to maybe shed a little light on why the attorney’s are taking the route that they are. Again I am not a lawyer, so I don’t have a good grasp on the legal system, I was just trying to relay what I heard on that report.

  • Kristi

    Wonder, it was difficult to tell if your comment (115) was directed to both Kathy and myself or just Kathy, but either way we are just discussing our views about why things are covered differently in the media. Sorry if you are annoyed by that but it’s important enough for us to want to discuss it.

    Also I agree with you about them needing to get death I was just trying to maybe shed a little light on why the attorney’s are taking the route that they are. Again I am not a lawyer, so I don’t have a good grasp on the legal system, I was just trying to relay what I heard on that report.

  • Kristi

    Wonder, it was difficult to tell if your comment (115) was directed to both Kathy and myself or just Kathy, but either way we are just discussing our views about why things are covered differently in the media. Sorry if you are annoyed by that but it’s important enough for us to want to discuss it.

    Also I agree with you about them needing to get death I was just trying to maybe shed a little light on why the attorney’s are taking the route that they are. Again I am not a lawyer, so I don’t have a good grasp on the legal system, I was just trying to relay what I heard on that report.

  • Kristi

    Wonder, it was difficult to tell if your comment (115) was directed to both Kathy and myself or just Kathy, but either way we are just discussing our views about why things are covered differently in the media. Sorry if you are annoyed by that but it’s important enough for us to want to discuss it.

    Also I agree with you about them needing to get death I was just trying to maybe shed a little light on why the attorney’s are taking the route that they are. Again I am not a lawyer, so I don’t have a good grasp on the legal system, I was just trying to relay what I heard on that report.

  • Wonder

    yeah and the mcCann have been accused of that same exact thing

    shortly after the marcus F case got so much attention

    I could be wrong but they didn’t kill madeleine to get a trip around the world

    I think alot of the kids taken by the non cust. parent – is out of hurt and bitterness of loving the child and finding out the court got in your family business where they don’t belong. or Spite lots of these parents don’t love their kids or they would still be with their other parent they take them and sometimes kill them because the old If I cant have you / them then you wont have them either

    lots of mental people. I still asked whats in the drinking water ?

    I keep noticing all these cases in the same area too

    right before rowan there was a woman from msn group her daughter helped free two prisoners in El Derado http://kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7282953

    while they were gone they found this body and http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/11008071.html

    never heard another word about it

    i have this bad feeling tho this person might of got in there way and they killed and dumped it . This happen all at the same time

    are the detective dumber then me to maybe investigate that those 3 had something to do with it … puzzling

  • Wonder

    yeah and the mcCann have been accused of that same exact thing

    shortly after the marcus F case got so much attention

    I could be wrong but they didn’t kill madeleine to get a trip around the world

    I think alot of the kids taken by the non cust. parent – is out of hurt and bitterness of loving the child and finding out the court got in your family business where they don’t belong. or Spite lots of these parents don’t love their kids or they would still be with their other parent they take them and sometimes kill them because the old If I cant have you / them then you wont have them either

    lots of mental people. I still asked whats in the drinking water ?

    I keep noticing all these cases in the same area too

    right before rowan there was a woman from msn group her daughter helped free two prisoners in El Derado http://kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7282953

    while they were gone they found this body and http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/11008071.html

    never heard another word about it

    i have this bad feeling tho this person might of got in there way and they killed and dumped it . This happen all at the same time

    are the detective dumber then me to maybe investigate that those 3 had something to do with it … puzzling

  • Wonder

    yeah and the mcCann have been accused of that same exact thing

    shortly after the marcus F case got so much attention

    I could be wrong but they didn’t kill madeleine to get a trip around the world

    I think alot of the kids taken by the non cust. parent – is out of hurt and bitterness of loving the child and finding out the court got in your family business where they don’t belong. or Spite lots of these parents don’t love their kids or they would still be with their other parent they take them and sometimes kill them because the old If I cant have you / them then you wont have them either

    lots of mental people. I still asked whats in the drinking water ?

    I keep noticing all these cases in the same area too

    right before rowan there was a woman from msn group her daughter helped free two prisoners in El Derado http://kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7282953

    while they were gone they found this body and http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/11008071.html

    never heard another word about it

    i have this bad feeling tho this person might of got in there way and they killed and dumped it . This happen all at the same time

    are the detective dumber then me to maybe investigate that those 3 had something to do with it … puzzling

  • Wonder

    yeah and the mcCann have been accused of that same exact thing

    shortly after the marcus F case got so much attention

    I could be wrong but they didn’t kill madeleine to get a trip around the world

    I think alot of the kids taken by the non cust. parent – is out of hurt and bitterness of loving the child and finding out the court got in your family business where they don’t belong. or Spite lots of these parents don’t love their kids or they would still be with their other parent they take them and sometimes kill them because the old If I cant have you / them then you wont have them either

    lots of mental people. I still asked whats in the drinking water ?

    I keep noticing all these cases in the same area too

    right before rowan there was a woman from msn group her daughter helped free two prisoners in El Derado http://kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7282953

    while they were gone they found this body and http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/11008071.html

    never heard another word about it

    i have this bad feeling tho this person might of got in there way and they killed and dumped it . This happen all at the same time

    are the detective dumber then me to maybe investigate that those 3 had something to do with it … puzzling

  • Wonder

    yeah and the mcCann have been accused of that same exact thing

    shortly after the marcus F case got so much attention

    I could be wrong but they didn’t kill madeleine to get a trip around the world

    I think alot of the kids taken by the non cust. parent – is out of hurt and bitterness of loving the child and finding out the court got in your family business where they don’t belong. or Spite lots of these parents don’t love their kids or they would still be with their other parent they take them and sometimes kill them because the old If I cant have you / them then you wont have them either

    lots of mental people. I still asked whats in the drinking water ?

    I keep noticing all these cases in the same area too

    right before rowan there was a woman from msn group her daughter helped free two prisoners in El Derado http://kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7282953

    while they were gone they found this body and http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/11008071.html

    never heard another word about it

    i have this bad feeling tho this person might of got in there way and they killed and dumped it . This happen all at the same time

    are the detective dumber then me to maybe investigate that those 3 had something to do with it … puzzling

  • Wonder

    yeah and the mcCann have been accused of that same exact thing

    shortly after the marcus F case got so much attention

    I could be wrong but they didn’t kill madeleine to get a trip around the world

    I think alot of the kids taken by the non cust. parent – is out of hurt and bitterness of loving the child and finding out the court got in your family business where they don’t belong. or Spite lots of these parents don’t love their kids or they would still be with their other parent they take them and sometimes kill them because the old If I cant have you / them then you wont have them either

    lots of mental people. I still asked whats in the drinking water ?

    I keep noticing all these cases in the same area too

    right before rowan there was a woman from msn group her daughter helped free two prisoners in El Derado http://kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=7282953

    while they were gone they found this body and http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/11008071.html

    never heard another word about it

    i have this bad feeling tho this person might of got in there way and they killed and dumped it . This happen all at the same time

    are the detective dumber then me to maybe investigate that those 3 had something to do with it … puzzling

  • Kristi

    Unless I have missed something in the recent past, the McCann’s were questioned, but there has not been any evidence to date that they are responsible for Madelaine’s dissapearance.

  • Kristi

    Unless I have missed something in the recent past, the McCann’s were questioned, but there has not been any evidence to date that they are responsible for Madelaine’s dissapearance.

  • Kristi

    Unless I have missed something in the recent past, the McCann’s were questioned, but there has not been any evidence to date that they are responsible for Madelaine’s dissapearance.

  • Kristi

    Unless I have missed something in the recent past, the McCann’s were questioned, but there has not been any evidence to date that they are responsible for Madelaine’s dissapearance.

  • Wonder

    I agreed with your explanation but I thought that Kathy was making a mold hill into a mountain with the racism.

    your right too it could be where you live.

    as I am white and I feel like we have been taking over by the black and they still complain and say they are the minority. I feel like we are

    I have seen hometown heros and celebritys slandered by them accusing them they said the N word but I have witnessed neighbors of mine and my daughters school friend call one another the N word, even call there baby son’s that

    I just dont want to go into the rasism thing its not the place for it on riley thread for sure I know I put lots of issue where they dont belong but I am still new here … Hell I am lost when it comes to where to put thing that pop up on my mind too LOL

    Hey when my daughter started kindergaren in 1989 her class was half half by the time she was in 2nd grade she was the only white child in her class it was about 2-3 whites in her 3rd 4th 5th 6th grade class and jr high and high school was not balanced either. she was in the law and perilegal sry tired to spell right typing fast before you leave to another thread…

    anyways she perfers black men she only had a few boyfriends never tried a white kid – how does she know if she don’t prefer them … whatever but when she was growing up i kept hearing dont say nothing because if you do they will for sure because they… reverse physcoligy thing but obviously i didn’t even tho she knew i hate the idea. but I was doing what they say and it happened anyway cause those were the boys that gave her the attention and she learned by being around them the slang she talked normal in the summer months then after school started she changed the accent.

    you will read in another post somewhere i made today advising people that
    in my divorce my x husbands attorney slipped in a paragraph i didnt agree to about me remaining in this county … I am not premitted to move away.

    now maybe i could get that modified if I had good reason job transfer etc but only 1 more year now. it was still wrong as he wasnt involved in the kids life when he lives close by.

  • Wonder

    I agreed with your explanation but I thought that Kathy was making a mold hill into a mountain with the racism.

    your right too it could be where you live.

    as I am white and I feel like we have been taking over by the black and they still complain and say they are the minority. I feel like we are

    I have seen hometown heros and celebritys slandered by them accusing them they said the N word but I have witnessed neighbors of mine and my daughters school friend call one another the N word, even call there baby son’s that

    I just dont want to go into the rasism thing its not the place for it on riley thread for sure I know I put lots of issue where they dont belong but I am still new here … Hell I am lost when it comes to where to put thing that pop up on my mind too LOL

    Hey when my daughter started kindergaren in 1989 her class was half half by the time she was in 2nd grade she was the only white child in her class it was about 2-3 whites in her 3rd 4th 5th 6th grade class and jr high and high school was not balanced either. she was in the law and perilegal sry tired to spell right typing fast before you leave to another thread…

    anyways she perfers black men she only had a few boyfriends never tried a white kid – how does she know if she don’t prefer them … whatever but when she was growing up i kept hearing dont say nothing because if you do they will for sure because they… reverse physcoligy thing but obviously i didn’t even tho she knew i hate the idea. but I was doing what they say and it happened anyway cause those were the boys that gave her the attention and she learned by being around them the slang she talked normal in the summer months then after school started she changed the accent.

    you will read in another post somewhere i made today advising people that
    in my divorce my x husbands attorney slipped in a paragraph i didnt agree to about me remaining in this county … I am not premitted to move away.

    now maybe i could get that modified if I had good reason job transfer etc but only 1 more year now. it was still wrong as he wasnt involved in the kids life when he lives close by.

  • Wonder

    I agreed with your explanation but I thought that Kathy was making a mold hill into a mountain with the racism.

    your right too it could be where you live.

    as I am white and I feel like we have been taking over by the black and they still complain and say they are the minority. I feel like we are

    I have seen hometown heros and celebritys slandered by them accusing them they said the N word but I have witnessed neighbors of mine and my daughters school friend call one another the N word, even call there baby son’s that

    I just dont want to go into the rasism thing its not the place for it on riley thread for sure I know I put lots of issue where they dont belong but I am still new here … Hell I am lost when it comes to where to put thing that pop up on my mind too LOL

    Hey when my daughter started kindergaren in 1989 her class was half half by the time she was in 2nd grade she was the only white child in her class it was about 2-3 whites in her 3rd 4th 5th 6th grade class and jr high and high school was not balanced either. she was in the law and perilegal sry tired to spell right typing fast before you leave to another thread…

    anyways she perfers black men she only had a few boyfriends never tried a white kid – how does she know if she don’t prefer them … whatever but when she was growing up i kept hearing dont say nothing because if you do they will for sure because they… reverse physcoligy thing but obviously i didn’t even tho she knew i hate the idea. but I was doing what they say and it happened anyway cause those were the boys that gave her the attention and she learned by being around them the slang she talked normal in the summer months then after school started she changed the accent.

    you will read in another post somewhere i made today advising people that
    in my divorce my x husbands attorney slipped in a paragraph i didnt agree to about me remaining in this county … I am not premitted to move away.

    now maybe i could get that modified if I had good reason job transfer etc but only 1 more year now. it was still wrong as he wasnt involved in the kids life when he lives close by.

  • Wonder

    I agreed with your explanation but I thought that Kathy was making a mold hill into a mountain with the racism.

    your right too it could be where you live.

    as I am white and I feel like we have been taking over by the black and they still complain and say they are the minority. I feel like we are

    I have seen hometown heros and celebritys slandered by them accusing them they said the N word but I have witnessed neighbors of mine and my daughters school friend call one another the N word, even call there baby son’s that

    I just dont want to go into the rasism thing its not the place for it on riley thread for sure I know I put lots of issue where they dont belong but I am still new here … Hell I am lost when it comes to where to put thing that pop up on my mind too LOL

    Hey when my daughter started kindergaren in 1989 her class was half half by the time she was in 2nd grade she was the only white child in her class it was about 2-3 whites in her 3rd 4th 5th 6th grade class and jr high and high school was not balanced either. she was in the law and perilegal sry tired to spell right typing fast before you leave to another thread…

    anyways she perfers black men she only had a few boyfriends never tried a white kid – how does she know if she don’t prefer them … whatever but when she was growing up i kept hearing dont say nothing because if you do they will for sure because they… reverse physcoligy thing but obviously i didn’t even tho she knew i hate the idea. but I was doing what they say and it happened anyway cause those were the boys that gave her the attention and she learned by being around them the slang she talked normal in the summer months then after school started she changed the accent.

    you will read in another post somewhere i made today advising people that
    in my divorce my x husbands attorney slipped in a paragraph i didnt agree to about me remaining in this county … I am not premitted to move away.

    now maybe i could get that modified if I had good reason job transfer etc but only 1 more year now. it was still wrong as he wasnt involved in the kids life when he lives close by.

  • Wonder

    answer to post 102 is that there seems to be a missing black wondered if there was a missing white section

    because there is a black history month and a black family reunion gayla but I never see anything labeled a white this and white that or caucsism that is all

    sry not speeling too good right now fingers are moving faster then brain I need sleep

  • Wonder

    answer to post 102 is that there seems to be a missing black wondered if there was a missing white section

    because there is a black history month and a black family reunion gayla but I never see anything labeled a white this and white that or caucsism that is all

    sry not speeling too good right now fingers are moving faster then brain I need sleep

  • Wonder

    answer to post 102 is that there seems to be a missing black wondered if there was a missing white section

    because there is a black history month and a black family reunion gayla but I never see anything labeled a white this and white that or caucsism that is all

    sry not speeling too good right now fingers are moving faster then brain I need sleep

  • Wonder

    answer to post 102 is that there seems to be a missing black wondered if there was a missing white section

    because there is a black history month and a black family reunion gayla but I never see anything labeled a white this and white that or caucsism that is all

    sry not speeling too good right now fingers are moving faster then brain I need sleep

  • Wonder

    answer to post 102 is that there seems to be a missing black wondered if there was a missing white section

    because there is a black history month and a black family reunion gayla but I never see anything labeled a white this and white that or caucsism that is all

    sry not speeling too good right now fingers are moving faster then brain I need sleep

  • Wonder

    omy I need another day to catch up here already lol

    i think the baby gracie was so public was they thought she could be madeleine

    it was days before I heard about that child

    they say that galveston bay is a burial ground maybe for all the ones that are trying to cross the border (mexican)

    mystery people i assume do get more air time.
    its important for the detective to match a name with a dna

    back to top lol…

  • Wonder

    omy I need another day to catch up here already lol

    i think the baby gracie was so public was they thought she could be madeleine

    it was days before I heard about that child

    they say that galveston bay is a burial ground maybe for all the ones that are trying to cross the border (mexican)

    mystery people i assume do get more air time.
    its important for the detective to match a name with a dna

    back to top lol…

  • Wonder

    omy I need another day to catch up here already lol

    i think the baby gracie was so public was they thought she could be madeleine

    it was days before I heard about that child

    they say that galveston bay is a burial ground maybe for all the ones that are trying to cross the border (mexican)

    mystery people i assume do get more air time.
    its important for the detective to match a name with a dna

    back to top lol…

  • Wonder

    my point was the media coverage for low income foster kid

    when people have the nerve to use air time to create a search for kids that

    they know damn well where they are

    note I said McCann are accuse of doing that

    its not always about how much money or reward or funds from who you might know and who they know etc.

    sometimes the fill in blank air space on slow days with per junk too.

  • Wonder

    my point was the media coverage for low income foster kid

    when people have the nerve to use air time to create a search for kids that

    they know damn well where they are

    note I said McCann are accuse of doing that

    its not always about how much money or reward or funds from who you might know and who they know etc.

    sometimes the fill in blank air space on slow days with per junk too.

  • Wonder

    my point was the media coverage for low income foster kid

    when people have the nerve to use air time to create a search for kids that

    they know damn well where they are

    note I said McCann are accuse of doing that

    its not always about how much money or reward or funds from who you might know and who they know etc.

    sometimes the fill in blank air space on slow days with per junk too.

  • Wonder

    my point was the media coverage for low income foster kid

    when people have the nerve to use air time to create a search for kids that

    they know damn well where they are

    note I said McCann are accuse of doing that

    its not always about how much money or reward or funds from who you might know and who they know etc.

    sometimes the fill in blank air space on slow days with per junk too.

  • Wonder

    my point was the media coverage for low income foster kid

    when people have the nerve to use air time to create a search for kids that

    they know damn well where they are

    note I said McCann are accuse of doing that

    its not always about how much money or reward or funds from who you might know and who they know etc.

    sometimes the fill in blank air space on slow days with per junk too.

  • Wonder

    my point was the media coverage for low income foster kid

    when people have the nerve to use air time to create a search for kids that

    they know damn well where they are

    note I said McCann are accuse of doing that

    its not always about how much money or reward or funds from who you might know and who they know etc.

    sometimes the fill in blank air space on slow days with per junk too.

  • Kathy

    AH, I see. Wonder you have clarified EVERYTHING for me now.

    I’m done. No need for me to argue with you anymore.

  • Kathy

    AH, I see. Wonder you have clarified EVERYTHING for me now.

    I’m done. No need for me to argue with you anymore.

  • Kathy

    AH, I see. Wonder you have clarified EVERYTHING for me now.

    I’m done. No need for me to argue with you anymore.

  • Kathy

    AH, I see. Wonder you have clarified EVERYTHING for me now.

    I’m done. No need for me to argue with you anymore.

  • Kristi

    :-D

  • Kristi

    :-D

  • Kristi

    :-D

  • Wonder

    awww no way was i arguring I said you had your right to opinion I stopped in haha real quick and had to read thur lots of post to see if any of it was related to Riley … thats all i said I didn’t think this is where it goes but I also said I put stuff too where ever

    hugs Kathy and Kristi still new here

    Not my place to say where our thoughts suppose to go

    I am hoping and I give admin. permission to move any of my off topic post

  • Wonder

    awww no way was i arguring I said you had your right to opinion I stopped in haha real quick and had to read thur lots of post to see if any of it was related to Riley … thats all i said I didn’t think this is where it goes but I also said I put stuff too where ever

    hugs Kathy and Kristi still new here

    Not my place to say where our thoughts suppose to go

    I am hoping and I give admin. permission to move any of my off topic post

  • Wonder

    awww no way was i arguring I said you had your right to opinion I stopped in haha real quick and had to read thur lots of post to see if any of it was related to Riley … thats all i said I didn’t think this is where it goes but I also said I put stuff too where ever

    hugs Kathy and Kristi still new here

    Not my place to say where our thoughts suppose to go

    I am hoping and I give admin. permission to move any of my off topic post

  • Wonder

    awww no way was i arguring I said you had your right to opinion I stopped in haha real quick and had to read thur lots of post to see if any of it was related to Riley … thats all i said I didn’t think this is where it goes but I also said I put stuff too where ever

    hugs Kathy and Kristi still new here

    Not my place to say where our thoughts suppose to go

    I am hoping and I give admin. permission to move any of my off topic post

  • Wonder

    awww no way was i arguring I said you had your right to opinion I stopped in haha real quick and had to read thur lots of post to see if any of it was related to Riley … thats all i said I didn’t think this is where it goes but I also said I put stuff too where ever

    hugs Kathy and Kristi still new here

    Not my place to say where our thoughts suppose to go

    I am hoping and I give admin. permission to move any of my off topic post

  • Kristi

    :-D

  • Wonder

    awww no way was i arguring I said you had your right to opinion I stopped in haha real quick and had to read thur lots of post to see if any of it was related to Riley … thats all i said I didn’t think this is where it goes but I also said I put stuff too where ever

    hugs Kathy and Kristi still new here

    Not my place to say where our thoughts suppose to go

    I am hoping and I give admin. permission to move any of my off topic post

  • Kristi

    Phew Kathy, I thought I was the only one who was confused.

  • Kristi

    Phew Kathy, I thought I was the only one who was confused.

  • Kristi

    Phew Kathy, I thought I was the only one who was confused.

  • Kristi

    Phew Kathy, I thought I was the only one who was confused.

  • Kristi

    Phew Kathy, I thought I was the only one who was confused.

  • Kristi

    No worries Wonder, lets just move on.

  • Kristi

    No worries Wonder, lets just move on.

  • Kristi

    No worries Wonder, lets just move on.

  • Kristi

    No worries Wonder, lets just move on.

  • Wonder

    Can I ask my new friends please

    How to:

    our news is on here at the moment – child sexual abuse case I have the link but how do I get it to morbid to put in the right category

    and where do I find the codes for quotes links and smileys [:D]

  • Wonder

    Can I ask my new friends please

    How to:

    our news is on here at the moment – child sexual abuse case I have the link but how do I get it to morbid to put in the right category

    and where do I find the codes for quotes links and smileys [:D]

  • Wonder

    Can I ask my new friends please

    How to:

    our news is on here at the moment – child sexual abuse case I have the link but how do I get it to morbid to put in the right category

    and where do I find the codes for quotes links and smileys [:D]

  • Wonder

    Can I ask my new friends please

    How to:

    our news is on here at the moment – child sexual abuse case I have the link but how do I get it to morbid to put in the right category

    and where do I find the codes for quotes links and smileys [:D]

  • Wonder

    Can I ask my new friends please

    How to:

    our news is on here at the moment – child sexual abuse case I have the link but how do I get it to morbid to put in the right category

    and where do I find the codes for quotes links and smileys [:D]

  • Wonder

    Can I ask my new friends please

    How to:

    our news is on here at the moment – child sexual abuse case I have the link but how do I get it to morbid to put in the right category

    and where do I find the codes for quotes links and smileys [:D]

  • Kristi

    You can let Morbid know just about anywhere I think. Or you can send an email by going to the contact us from the home page.

    No special link for Smileys to my knowledge, just correct use of your key board. For example ( : – ) put together without the spaces will appear as a happy face after you submit.

  • Kristi

    You can let Morbid know just about anywhere I think. Or you can send an email by going to the contact us from the home page.

    No special link for Smileys to my knowledge, just correct use of your key board. For example ( : – ) put together without the spaces will appear as a happy face after you submit.

  • Kristi

    sorry without the left parenthesis

  • Kristi

    sorry without the left parenthesis

  • Wonder

    Thanks Kristi Hugs
    awww i dont wanna sign into email hehe…
    maybe we can have him add a category for memos : – ) :-}

  • Wonder

    Thanks Kristi Hugs
    awww i dont wanna sign into email hehe…
    maybe we can have him add a category for memos : – ) :-}

  • Wonder

    :-) if this dont work maybe later then ty !

  • Wonder

    :-) if this dont work maybe later then ty !

  • Gram Oreo

    DNA ~ CONFIRMED – Baby Grace is ‘RILEY SAWYERS’

    DNA confirms Sawyers is ‘Baby Grace’

    By Sara McDonald
    The Daily News

    Published November 30, 2007 – Updated 41 minutes ago
    GALVESTON — DNA test results have confirmed that the body found in West Galveston Bay on Oct. 29 is that of 2-year-old Riley Ann Sawyers, Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo of the Galveston County Sheriff’s office said.

    The girl’s father, 20-year-old Robert Sawyers of Mentor, Ohio, gave investigators a DNA sample Nov. 14 after his mother tipped off investigators that his daughter might be the girl only then known as “Baby Grace.”

    On Nov. 23, the girl’s mother, 19-year-old Kimberly Dawn Trenor, gave a statement to investigators implicating herself and her husband, Royce Clyde Zeigler, 24, in the child’s death, according to investigators. She also gave her DNA sample.

    With Baby Grace’s identity confirmed, District Attorney Kurt Sistrunk will consider upgrading the charges filed against the girl’s mother and stepfather, Tuttoilmondo said.

    Trenor and Zeigler were charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence on Nov. 24. They’re being held on bonds of $350,000 each.

  • Gram Oreo

    DNA ~ CONFIRMED – Baby Grace is ‘RILEY SAWYERS’

    DNA confirms Sawyers is ‘Baby Grace’

    By Sara McDonald
    The Daily News

    Published November 30, 2007 – Updated 41 minutes ago
    GALVESTON — DNA test results have confirmed that the body found in West Galveston Bay on Oct. 29 is that of 2-year-old Riley Ann Sawyers, Maj. Ray Tuttoilmondo of the Galveston County Sheriff’s office said.

    The girl’s father, 20-year-old Robert Sawyers of Mentor, Ohio, gave investigators a DNA sample Nov. 14 after his mother tipped off investigators that his daughter might be the girl only then known as “Baby Grace.”

    On Nov. 23, the girl’s mother, 19-year-old Kimberly Dawn Trenor, gave a statement to investigators implicating herself and her husband, Royce Clyde Zeigler, 24, in the child’s death, according to investigators. She also gave her DNA sample.

    With Baby Grace’s identity confirmed, District Attorney Kurt Sistrunk will consider upgrading the charges filed against the girl’s mother and stepfather, Tuttoilmondo said.

    Trenor and Zeigler were charged with injury to a child and tampering with evidence on Nov. 24. They’re being held on bonds of $350,000 each.

  • Wonder

    upgrading the charges – considering ?

    i wanted to scream wooohooo but now I think I will save it

    still 350,000 is not enough

  • Wonder

    upgrading the charges – considering ?

    i wanted to scream wooohooo but now I think I will save it

    still 350,000 is not enough

  • believe909

    I am sorry how your life ended little Riley, but there are a lot of people looking for justice for you.

  • believe909

    I am sorry how your life ended little Riley, but there are a lot of people looking for justice for you.

  • Kristi

    Talk about heart breaking…my 3 year old little girl came to sit with me while the top of this page (the pictures of Riley Ann) were up on my screen. She said “who’s that mommy?” I simply told her “oh that’s a little girl named Riley, just like you”. She said “oh, well mommy could you call her, maybe her wants to be my freind and come over to play with me”.

    Trying to maintain my composure was difficult to say the least…

  • Kristi

    Talk about heart breaking…my 3 year old little girl came to sit with me while the top of this page (the pictures of Riley Ann) were up on my screen. She said “who’s that mommy?” I simply told her “oh that’s a little girl named Riley, just like you”. She said “oh, well mommy could you call her, maybe her wants to be my freind and come over to play with me”.

    Trying to maintain my composure was difficult to say the least…

  • Kristi

    friend, I should proof read first. Difficult to type while hugging my little girl.

  • Kristi

    friend, I should proof read first. Difficult to type while hugging my little girl.

  • Gram Oreo

    Should you wish to read further comments… http://www.baby-grace.org

    I am SURE you will all appreciate the new “Teddy Bear” picture submitted.

  • Gram Oreo

    Should you wish to read further comments… http://www.baby-grace.org

    I am SURE you will all appreciate the new “Teddy Bear” picture submitted.

  • Hippiepoet

    Wonder, I have to wonder about you. Your statement (#124) was just idiotic, at best. Why is there no White History Month? Maybe you should go back and refresh yourself on History. How blacks got here in North America, and what “whites” did to them. OMFG. I think you totally do not understand what Kathy was saying, that happens sometimes when you narrow your mind so much. If anything why not ask “Why don’t we have a Native American month”?, the whites fucked them up as well…and yes I am white, my ancestors being German and Welsh. We’re all just a bunch of fucking humans and there is shit in every race. The media, the government, the big corporations are run by the majority of “white” people, so of course when “white children” go missing, attention is focused there. Not on blacks, not on Native Americans, Chinese, Hispanics…whatever. Racism is still rampant, just look in your mirror….(or maybe you can’t get to your mirror because your being so run over by the “blacks”).
    Peace

  • Hippiepoet

    Wonder, I have to wonder about you. Your statement (#124) was just idiotic, at best. Why is there no White History Month? Maybe you should go back and refresh yourself on History. How blacks got here in North America, and what “whites” did to them. OMFG. I think you totally do not understand what Kathy was saying, that happens sometimes when you narrow your mind so much. If anything why not ask “Why don’t we have a Native American month”?, the whites fucked them up as well…and yes I am white, my ancestors being German and Welsh. We’re all just a bunch of fucking humans and there is shit in every race. The media, the government, the big corporations are run by the majority of “white” people, so of course when “white children” go missing, attention is focused there. Not on blacks, not on Native Americans, Chinese, Hispanics…whatever. Racism is still rampant, just look in your mirror….(or maybe you can’t get to your mirror because your being so run over by the “blacks”).
    Peace

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    To answer some questions for some of you asking.

    If you would like me to post a story, either email it to me, or post it in our Reality Bites section of the forum. Just do not randomly post it in an existing article.

    We do not have a section for missing blacks, that is another blog that we are affiliated with. A blog that is needed as minorities DO NOT get equal time in the news when it comes to missing persons OR murder cases. Money doesn’t have a thing to do with it either. The more horrendous the crime, and the more cute the missing, the more news it will get. Every. Single. Time. If you are reading this and are considered unattractive, god help you if you go missing under unwilling circumstances. If you also happen to be an unattractive minority, forget about it, even god is ignoring you. You are on your own.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    To answer some questions for some of you asking.

    If you would like me to post a story, either email it to me, or post it in our Reality Bites section of the forum. Just do not randomly post it in an existing article.

    We do not have a section for missing blacks, that is another blog that we are affiliated with. A blog that is needed as minorities DO NOT get equal time in the news when it comes to missing persons OR murder cases. Money doesn’t have a thing to do with it either. The more horrendous the crime, and the more cute the missing, the more news it will get. Every. Single. Time. If you are reading this and are considered unattractive, god help you if you go missing under unwilling circumstances. If you also happen to be an unattractive minority, forget about it, even god is ignoring you. You are on your own.

  • believe909

    Kudos Morbid-you summed everything up that needed to be said regarding the “race card” issue.
    As happy as I am to debate most subjects, can we move on from this one simply because we aren’t going to solve it today (maybe tomorrow) and we have a beautiful little angel-baby who needs to brought front and center because no one should die this way; certainly not at the hands of the person who gave birth to you. Further news articles indicate how cozy the living arrangements were at the Sawyers-KT broke up with Riley’s dad 1 year prior to her death and moved in his new pregnant girlfriend this past spring. Girlfriend watched Riley as a matter of routine during KT’s marathon sessions on WOW. KT returned for a child support hearing 5 days after she moved away and claimed Riley was with her parents. Then poof-she was gone and the hunt was on. KT broke the law by relocating without notifying the court-I suppose they can add that to the charges? And the Sawyers are tryong to raise money to bury Riley. Which makes me sick.

  • believe909

    Kudos Morbid-you summed everything up that needed to be said regarding the “race card” issue.
    As happy as I am to debate most subjects, can we move on from this one simply because we aren’t going to solve it today (maybe tomorrow) and we have a beautiful little angel-baby who needs to brought front and center because no one should die this way; certainly not at the hands of the person who gave birth to you. Further news articles indicate how cozy the living arrangements were at the Sawyers-KT broke up with Riley’s dad 1 year prior to her death and moved in his new pregnant girlfriend this past spring. Girlfriend watched Riley as a matter of routine during KT’s marathon sessions on WOW. KT returned for a child support hearing 5 days after she moved away and claimed Riley was with her parents. Then poof-she was gone and the hunt was on. KT broke the law by relocating without notifying the court-I suppose they can add that to the charges? And the Sawyers are tryong to raise money to bury Riley. Which makes me sick.

  • believe909

    Let me clarify the “makes me sick”- I think that the court should foot the bill and the Trenors should foot the bill and the Zeiglers should pay their fair share.

  • believe909

    Let me clarify the “makes me sick”- I think that the court should foot the bill and the Trenors should foot the bill and the Zeiglers should pay their fair share.

  • Kristi

    Ziegler’s lawyer states “the kid is like a big teddy bear” Are you fucking kidding me? Ok, I get it, public defenders have to defend. But seriously could he not come up with any other description of the man who beat, suffocated, submerged in water, and bashed in the head of a defenseless 2 year old little girl? Please! I wonder what the hell kind of teddy bears this lawyer had when he was a kid.

    Gram Oreo, I checked out that link and that’s where I read about the teddy bear comment. But where is the picture you were reffering too, did I miss something?

  • Kristi

    Ziegler’s lawyer states “the kid is like a big teddy bear” Are you fucking kidding me? Ok, I get it, public defenders have to defend. But seriously could he not come up with any other description of the man who beat, suffocated, submerged in water, and bashed in the head of a defenseless 2 year old little girl? Please! I wonder what the hell kind of teddy bears this lawyer had when he was a kid.

    Gram Oreo, I checked out that link and that’s where I read about the teddy bear comment. But where is the picture you were reffering too, did I miss something?

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I think he meant “picture” as in portrayal…not an actual picture. Speaking of pictures. I cannot put my finger on why this aggravates me. I know they probably mean well, but do any of you cringe when you see shit like this?

    If so, please explain why so that I may understand why I always get negative feelings towards pictures like this. It may be because I do not believe Riley is floating amongst the clouds looking down upon us from Utopia, but I think there is more to it that I am unable to put my finger on right at the moment.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    I think he meant “picture” as in portrayal…not an actual picture. Speaking of pictures. I cannot put my finger on why this aggravates me. I know they probably mean well, but do any of you cringe when you see shit like this?

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    If so, please explain why so that I may understand why I always get negative feelings towards pictures like this. It may be because I do not believe Riley is floating amongst the clouds looking down upon us from Utopia, but I think there is more to it that I am unable to put my finger on right at the moment.

  • Hippiepoet

    What the fuck, I cannot believe that lawyer referred to that monster as a “teddy bear”??? Maybe a teddy bear all fucked up haulin’ a big can of whoopass. Ooooo that’s ignorant.
    Kristi..I agree, what kind of teddy bear did this lawyer have growing up? Chuckie the Gruesome Teddy Doll?
    Violence is so wrong, but dammit, shouldn’t this asshole get to feel the slap of the belt buckle in all the places he tagged Riley? (I know it won’t solve a thing, won’t bring back Riley…..I can think about it though. Muhahaaaa) You know I’d be curious as to this sick fucks home life. Was he a child from an abused home? Maybe a belt whipping was common for him as a child.
    I was also thinking, I hope the mother doesn’t get reduced charges…blaming him for the major abuse and her being afraid for her life. She’s just as guilty. Any decent mother would of risked life and limb to get that child out of there, she KNEW she had a place to go.
    This is such a tragic damn ending to a child’s life….anyone’s life for that matter. Damn

  • Hippiepoet

    What the fuck, I cannot believe that lawyer referred to that monster as a “teddy bear”??? Maybe a teddy bear all fucked up haulin’ a big can of whoopass. Ooooo that’s ignorant.
    Kristi..I agree, what kind of teddy bear did this lawyer have growing up? Chuckie the Gruesome Teddy Doll?
    Violence is so wrong, but dammit, shouldn’t this asshole get to feel the slap of the belt buckle in all the places he tagged Riley? (I know it won’t solve a thing, won’t bring back Riley…..I can think about it though. Muhahaaaa) You know I’d be curious as to this sick fucks home life. Was he a child from an abused home? Maybe a belt whipping was common for him as a child.
    I was also thinking, I hope the mother doesn’t get reduced charges…blaming him for the major abuse and her being afraid for her life. She’s just as guilty. Any decent mother would of risked life and limb to get that child out of there, she KNEW she had a place to go.
    This is such a tragic damn ending to a child’s life….anyone’s life for that matter. Damn

  • Hippiepoet

    Morbid, maybe you feel that way about the picture, because it looks fucking ridiculous. Some pink faced white kid with blonde hair, puffed out little lips and damn angel wings. In my opinion these posters should show the reality…kids fucked up from child abusers, that’s realistic, that would be hard hitting. Not this religious looking bullshit.

  • Hippiepoet

    Morbid, maybe you feel that way about the picture, because it looks fucking ridiculous. Some pink faced white kid with blonde hair, puffed out little lips and damn angel wings. In my opinion these posters should show the reality…kids fucked up from child abusers, that’s realistic, that would be hard hitting. Not this religious looking bullshit.

  • Death Watch

    The little girl was adorable. This is a washed out depiction.

  • Death Watch

    The little girl was adorable. This is a washed out depiction.

  • Kristi

    Got it, thanks Morbid.

    Oh, I sooo agree with you Hippie!! If there is ANY justice at all this fucker will feel more than a belt slap before he frys!!!

    By the way, does anyone “fry” anymore? Or have all states conformed to injections? Cause you know, we wouldn’t want to impose anything too cruel or unusual to any of the people who have committed such crimes that they received the death penalty to begin with.

    And oh yeah, mommy bitch needs to fry right next to the fat pig! Not only did she not attempt to stop the bastard, she admittedly participated in the 5-6 hour torture of her baby girl.

  • Kristi

    Got it, thanks Morbid.

    Oh, I sooo agree with you Hippie!! If there is ANY justice at all this fucker will feel more than a belt slap before he frys!!!

    By the way, does anyone “fry” anymore? Or have all states conformed to injections? Cause you know, we wouldn’t want to impose anything too cruel or unusual to any of the people who have committed such crimes that they received the death penalty to begin with.

    And oh yeah, mommy bitch needs to fry right next to the fat pig! Not only did she not attempt to stop the bastard, she admittedly participated in the 5-6 hour torture of her baby girl.

  • ashdavus

    Is it just me…or are there others out there who would gladly spend 10 years in prison in exchange for a baseball back and 5 minutes with these fuckers?

    Seriously though…I think death penalty in this case should be the public getting to take cracks at them with a pole like they were a couple of friggin pinatas. HA HA HA HA

  • ashdavus

    Is it just me…or are there others out there who would gladly spend 10 years in prison in exchange for a baseball back and 5 minutes with these fuckers?

    Seriously though…I think death penalty in this case should be the public getting to take cracks at them with a pole like they were a couple of friggin pinatas. HA HA HA HA

  • Gram Oreo

    Kristi ~!

    Click on the article about the teddy bear.

    Scroll down a couple of posts. There is a post by Marlene 12/2/2007…mentioning where a member posted a CARACATURE PICTURE…. Here is also the link:

    http://baby.grace.50megs.com/photo3.html.

  • Gram Oreo

    Kristi ~!

    Click on the article about the teddy bear.

    Scroll down a couple of posts. There is a post by Marlene 12/2/2007…mentioning where a member posted a CARACATURE PICTURE…. Here is also the link:

    http://baby.grace.50megs.com/photo3.html.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    Morbid re:128

    Lets cheapen someone’s image to further our own cause-woohoo. Because really…who WANTS child abuse to happen?

    My cousin’s picture STILL is shown on fred phelps(I refuse to capitalize his name) hate site. He also held an insignificant protest at his funeral.

    So yeah,I have first hand experience with this type of propaganda.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    Morbid re:128

    Lets cheapen someone’s image to further our own cause-woohoo. Because really…who WANTS child abuse to happen?

    My cousin’s picture STILL is shown on fred phelps(I refuse to capitalize his name) hate site. He also held an insignificant protest at his funeral.

    So yeah,I have first hand experience with this type of propaganda.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    ells I think that is what gets to me. It’s a crappy-ass piece of work to further some type of agenda, even if it is a good one. To me, it is absolutely no different than the one I made.

    If anyone is offended by this, then you know exactly how some of us feel when we see people using dead kids in poses that are not real to promote anything at all.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    ells I think that is what gets to me. It’s a crappy-ass piece of work to further some type of agenda, even if it is a good one. To me, it is absolutely no different than the one I made.

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    If anyone is offended by this, then you know exactly how some of us feel when we see people using dead kids in poses that are not real to promote anything at all.

  • http://www.myspace.com/myluvandre solange82200

    I know you guys are going to get mad at me for bringing this up, but I have to agree with Kathy and Morbid in regards to the race thing. However, I respect Krirty and Wonder’s opinion. It just seems to me that while kids do get more press when they are missing. I dont have any facts to support it, so I could be wrong, but it is just my impression. And I dont think it’s the reporters themselves that do this, not sure why it happens, if its the viewers who contribute to it or what.

  • http://www.myspace.com/myluvandre solange82200

    I know you guys are going to get mad at me for bringing this up, but I have to agree with Kathy and Morbid in regards to the race thing. However, I respect Krirty and Wonder’s opinion. It just seems to me that while kids do get more press when they are missing. I dont have any facts to support it, so I could be wrong, but it is just my impression. And I dont think it’s the reporters themselves that do this, not sure why it happens, if its the viewers who contribute to it or what.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    I think a lot of it is what is going on at *that* particular time.
    Remember “shark bite summer”? I wonder how many kids went missing that summer…and no one ever heard a word. Then there was “child abduction summer” and I bet there were shark bites we never heard of.

    I bet kids went missing the day some nutjob took hostages in New Hampshire.

    If there are 5 cases to choose from,and they pick the cute one white one, I look at it this way. You can call me racist if you want over it,and I don’t think I am….on to the statement-

    Who is going to garner more sympathy? John Ramsey or someone who’s command of the English language is lacking?Its not about what is news,its about what is going to get you to turn back to that channel,or reload that website. Well-spoken family member goes missing, update at 10…or crackwhore may or may not be murdered,no one really knows,we just know she’s gone,story at 11.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    I think a lot of it is what is going on at *that* particular time.
    Remember “shark bite summer”? I wonder how many kids went missing that summer…and no one ever heard a word. Then there was “child abduction summer” and I bet there were shark bites we never heard of.

    I bet kids went missing the day some nutjob took hostages in New Hampshire.

    If there are 5 cases to choose from,and they pick the cute one white one, I look at it this way. You can call me racist if you want over it,and I don’t think I am….on to the statement-

    Who is going to garner more sympathy? John Ramsey or someone who’s command of the English language is lacking?Its not about what is news,its about what is going to get you to turn back to that channel,or reload that website. Well-spoken family member goes missing, update at 10…or crackwhore may or may not be murdered,no one really knows,we just know she’s gone,story at 11.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    Morbid-I think I would feel differently if they took ANY picture,left it alone and still put unwilling angel on it. The fact that they give her wings,and morph her eyes into puppy eyes that makes her nose look like Alice the Goon and then give her tears on top of it-what the fuck is that about. Its a total parody of the kid that suffered the abuse-its heaping abuse on top of abuse, thats what it is,and it sucks.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    Morbid-I think I would feel differently if they took ANY picture,left it alone and still put unwilling angel on it. The fact that they give her wings,and morph her eyes into puppy eyes that makes her nose look like Alice the Goon and then give her tears on top of it-what the fuck is that about. Its a total parody of the kid that suffered the abuse-its heaping abuse on top of abuse, thats what it is,and it sucks.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Oh, no doubt. News is a business. They need viewers to make money and viewers are more apt to tune into a blonde-haired, blue-eyed missing girl than a black male, or mentally challenged white female, etc. It’s just the way it is. And even in the cases that are covered extensively, they are usually forgotten in no time and replaced by yet another face. Not being mean, but Rowan and Riley will be forgotten in short order and replaced with two new faces.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Oh, no doubt. News is a business. They need viewers to make money and viewers are more apt to tune into a blonde-haired, blue-eyed missing girl than a black male, or mentally challenged white female, etc. It’s just the way it is. And even in the cases that are covered extensively, they are usually forgotten in no time and replaced by yet another face. Not being mean, but Rowan and Riley will be forgotten in short order and replaced with two new faces.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    Agreed, I think Riley will stick a little longer than Rowan for the basic fact that people can discount Rowan because of Colleen’s lifestyle. True, Kim’s lifestyle obviously sucks,but Riley had a dad who cared about her and grandparents who knew something was wrong long before the rest of the world.

    When the focus shifts to Ohio,people will think “that could be me” and the story will stay viable a bit longer. Not too many people can put themselves in Colleen’s shoes(older woman/much younger man,poverty level,country folk,kids scattered,etc[no offense to anyone])

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    Agreed, I think Riley will stick a little longer than Rowan for the basic fact that people can discount Rowan because of Colleen’s lifestyle. True, Kim’s lifestyle obviously sucks,but Riley had a dad who cared about her and grandparents who knew something was wrong long before the rest of the world.

    When the focus shifts to Ohio,people will think “that could be me” and the story will stay viable a bit longer. Not too many people can put themselves in Colleen’s shoes(older woman/much younger man,poverty level,country folk,kids scattered,etc[no offense to anyone])

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    I am reading an article about Starkweather(yes,I stopped mid-article to post this quote)and this stood out as very much on topic to what this thread has sort of morphed towards:

    It was the heart of “Ozzie and Harriet” country, of well-behaved, crew-cut kids and, in today’s terms, family values.

    “A few killings on the South Side of Chicago, and who notices?” Zimring said. “But as soon as you put them in a context where we’re not used to seeing them, you get a somewhat more indelible act.”

    ~~~~~~~~~
    so so true

  • http://www.myspace.com/sparkles3844 ells9824

    I am reading an article about Starkweather(yes,I stopped mid-article to post this quote)and this stood out as very much on topic to what this thread has sort of morphed towards:

    It was the heart of “Ozzie and Harriet” country, of well-behaved, crew-cut kids and, in today’s terms, family values.

    “A few killings on the South Side of Chicago, and who notices?” Zimring said. “But as soon as you put them in a context where we’re not used to seeing them, you get a somewhat more indelible act.”

    ~~~~~~~~~
    so so true

  • Gram Oreo

    Perhaps some of you may not know that there is a forum on Baby Graces website.

    http://www.baby-grace.org The following is a post from Grandma Sheryl Sawyers, copied from the Baby Grace Site. Thought many of you would like to follow her request.

    My Angel Riley Ann

    I came here today to read some of the posts in hopes that it would somehow fill the void I have in my heart. I am touched by how many lives my angel has touhed. She was the light of my life, my heart. She was my first grandchild and she was the girl I always wanted. (I had 4 brothers, no sisters, and two sons, no daughters.) She spent every moment that I was home with me, she slept with grandma and her favorite thing to do was to “go shop” :-) She loved to sing and dance, she knew every word to the song at the opening of the movie Cars, her favorite movie. I was going to enroll her in dance classes as soon as she was old enough. We used to sit on my bed and I would say to her, where is grandma’s pretty baby? And she would point at every wall in my room as there were pictures of her everywhere. I feel such a void in my life, and everytime I think of how she died I feel that I will go insane, so I try not to think about it. Her mother and stepfather are the worst kind of people. As a mother and her grandmother I can not imagine standing by while some monster beat my child, let alone to participate. I hope they both rot in he–. There are no words to explain how I feel about them. And then I come here and read the posts and am assured that despite all the monster in this world, there a hundreds and thousands of good, decent, wonderful people like yourselves. God Bless you all. I am including a link to a page where you may go and light a candle for Riley. http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi+riley from this page you can do a group search for group Riley. Thank you all again. Sheryl Sawyers

  • Gram Oreo

    Perhaps some of you may not know that there is a forum on Baby Graces website.

    http://www.baby-grace.org The following is a post from Grandma Sheryl Sawyers, copied from the Baby Grace Site. Thought many of you would like to follow her request.

    My Angel Riley Ann

    I came here today to read some of the posts in hopes that it would somehow fill the void I have in my heart. I am touched by how many lives my angel has touhed. She was the light of my life, my heart. She was my first grandchild and she was the girl I always wanted. (I had 4 brothers, no sisters, and two sons, no daughters.) She spent every moment that I was home with me, she slept with grandma and her favorite thing to do was to “go shop” :-) She loved to sing and dance, she knew every word to the song at the opening of the movie Cars, her favorite movie. I was going to enroll her in dance classes as soon as she was old enough. We used to sit on my bed and I would say to her, where is grandma’s pretty baby? And she would point at every wall in my room as there were pictures of her everywhere. I feel such a void in my life, and everytime I think of how she died I feel that I will go insane, so I try not to think about it. Her mother and stepfather are the worst kind of people. As a mother and her grandmother I can not imagine standing by while some monster beat my child, let alone to participate. I hope they both rot in he–. There are no words to explain how I feel about them. And then I come here and read the posts and am assured that despite all the monster in this world, there a hundreds and thousands of good, decent, wonderful people like yourselves. God Bless you all. I am including a link to a page where you may go and light a candle for Riley. http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi+riley from this page you can do a group search for group Riley. Thank you all again. Sheryl Sawyers

  • Wonder
  • Wonder
  • Wonder

    Baby Grace is just one of many tragic tales
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5363424.html 2 days ago

    I just lit a candle – burning time is 48 hours – will you ?

    my space http://www.myspace.com/babygrace1007 has lots of beautiful photos Tags

    I tried the baby-grace.org but I am lost there I dont see that letter from sheryl :(

    There is a video interview with sheryl by CNN
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18TdtdZA840

    This also covers the story with sheryl and Robert
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu2hQW1RCtk

    Does anyone know if they released her body to her family to bring home to Ohio ?
    I have not heard anything about a memorial or proper burial.

  • Wonder

    Baby Grace is just one of many tragic tales
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5363424.html 2 days ago

    I just lit a candle – burning time is 48 hours – will you ?

    my space http://www.myspace.com/babygrace1007 has lots of beautiful photos Tags

    I tried the baby-grace.org but I am lost there I dont see that letter from sheryl :(

    There is a video interview with sheryl by CNN
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18TdtdZA840

    This also covers the story with sheryl and Robert
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu2hQW1RCtk

    Does anyone know if they released her body to her family to bring home to Ohio ?
    I have not heard anything about a memorial or proper burial.

  • Wonder

    http://www.myspace.com/trishathomason

    I found these

    Mentor sets out a Christmas tree and takes time to remember all the people the community lost over the year. – that was Dec 3 and said it could be several more weeks – How sad they are taking so long for them to have a proper burial.

    http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?aid=49330&bw=

    http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=79116

    http://www.baby-grace.org/node/101 – spagetti dinner Dec 15 ($15) if your unable to make it donations are being excepted.

  • Wonder

    http://www.myspace.com/trishathomason

    I found these

    Mentor sets out a Christmas tree and takes time to remember all the people the community lost over the year. – that was Dec 3 and said it could be several more weeks – How sad they are taking so long for them to have a proper burial.

    http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?aid=49330&bw=

    http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=79116

    http://www.baby-grace.org/node/101 – spagetti dinner Dec 15 ($15) if your unable to make it donations are being excepted.

  • Gram Oreo

    There is a post by Sheryl Sawyers on http://www.baby-grace.org.

    She stated that Riley’s remains will be released on Jan 3 ( which happens to be Sheryl’s birthday.

    Sheryl Sawyers posts quite frequently on that site, and monitors it daily.

  • Gram Oreo

    There is a post by Sheryl Sawyers on http://www.baby-grace.org.

    She stated that Riley’s remains will be released on Jan 3 ( which happens to be Sheryl’s birthday.

    Sheryl Sawyers posts quite frequently on that site, and monitors it daily.

  • Wonder

    new post has been started here http://www.dreamindemon.com/2007/12/12/kimberly-trenor-and-royce-zeigler-ii-facing-capitol-murder-charges/#comment-5242

    She stated now that it won’t be her birthday – I posted the link to grandma sheryl message as to the reason on the link above (page1)

  • Wonder

    new post has been started here http://www.dreamindemon.com/2007/12/12/kimberly-trenor-and-royce-zeigler-ii-facing-capitol-murder-charges/#comment-5242

    She stated now that it won’t be her birthday – I posted the link to grandma sheryl message as to the reason on the link above (page1)

  • periodictable47

    I’m haunted by how dreadful Riley’s last two months must have been, going from the protective world of her Ohio grandmother’s house to Texas and that brute of a man. You can tell from her photos with her father, Mr. Sawyers, that she was used to happy, playful interaction with him. I imagine her trying to play with Mr. Ziegler and the response that must have gotten.

    I think the death penalty is overused in this country, but I am not in favor of making it entirely obsolete because of cases like this one. If Trenor and Ziegler get it and go through the traditional process of appeals and more appeals and getting Jesus, etc, before they finally get it, I won’t regret their passing.

    And I stay puzzled about why people don’t use the information that’s so abundantly available out there to anyone with access to a computer. You can find out how to get and use birth control if you don’t want kids…where to get an abortion if an unfortunate accident is happened and you need to press CANCEL on a common female misfortune…how to place your child for adoption if you already have one and don’t want her…developmental milestones in child development, so you can know what you can reasonably expect of a child you’re raising (they don’t include consistently saying “sir” and “please” and “thank you” at age two)…sane and kind childrearing techniques…how to get legal help with a spouse who threatens your child. There are all sorts of useful things to do with a computer and an Internet connection other than playing Warcraft and hooking up with violent creeps!

  • periodictable47

    I’m haunted by how dreadful Riley’s last two months must have been, going from the protective world of her Ohio grandmother’s house to Texas and that brute of a man. You can tell from her photos with her father, Mr. Sawyers, that she was used to happy, playful interaction with him. I imagine her trying to play with Mr. Ziegler and the response that must have gotten.

    I think the death penalty is overused in this country, but I am not in favor of making it entirely obsolete because of cases like this one. If Trenor and Ziegler get it and go through the traditional process of appeals and more appeals and getting Jesus, etc, before they finally get it, I won’t regret their passing.

    And I stay puzzled about why people don’t use the information that’s so abundantly available out there to anyone with access to a computer. You can find out how to get and use birth control if you don’t want kids…where to get an abortion if an unfortunate accident is happened and you need to press CANCEL on a common female misfortune…how to place your child for adoption if you already have one and don’t want her…developmental milestones in child development, so you can know what you can reasonably expect of a child you’re raising (they don’t include consistently saying “sir” and “please” and “thank you” at age two)…sane and kind childrearing techniques…how to get legal help with a spouse who threatens your child. There are all sorts of useful things to do with a computer and an Internet connection other than playing Warcraft and hooking up with violent creeps!

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Hello, periodictable47.

    I am waiting on the trial. I am real curious as to what happened that day. Royce’s lawyer has started earning his money lately by disputing what Kimberly has stated, but I am still curious as to who did what on the day she was killed.

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Hello, periodictable47.

    I am waiting on the trial. I am real curious as to what happened that day. Royce’s lawyer has started earning his money lately by disputing what Kimberly has stated, but I am still curious as to who did what on the day she was killed.

  • periodictable47

    I bet things get real convoluted once those two are on the stand. Both of those lawyers will earn their money before the last act of this drama. I bet those lawyers defending those two will leave court after adjournment every day feeling as if they are lightly covered with slime.

    If such a dreadful thing had to happen, though, I’m glad it happened in Texas, where the odds are against Royce and Kim avoiding their comeuppance.

  • periodictable47

    I bet things get real convoluted once those two are on the stand. Both of those lawyers will earn their money before the last act of this drama. I bet those lawyers defending those two will leave court after adjournment every day feeling as if they are lightly covered with slime.

    If such a dreadful thing had to happen, though, I’m glad it happened in Texas, where the odds are against Royce and Kim avoiding their comeuppance.

  • Wonder

    they both told their stories like I stated, he tried to save Trenor by saying it was all his doing.

    #170 I think the sudden pregancy was intentional as it was a get you back issue cause Riley’s father had another girl pregnant. baby conceived appox Jan. Trenor lived with Rileys family until April or May. Trenor got married to online aquainance in June shortly after meeting in person. That would make her about 6 months preg. now – Sad that she gets to chose who adopts this child. She could be hoping for a mistrial and force this child into the foster child system. How sad for everyone involved she has to be pregnant. What a Looser !

  • Wonder

    they both told their stories like I stated, he tried to save Trenor by saying it was all his doing.

    #170 I think the sudden pregancy was intentional as it was a get you back issue cause Riley’s father had another girl pregnant. baby conceived appox Jan. Trenor lived with Rileys family until April or May. Trenor got married to online aquainance in June shortly after meeting in person. That would make her about 6 months preg. now – Sad that she gets to chose who adopts this child. She could be hoping for a mistrial and force this child into the foster child system. How sad for everyone involved she has to be pregnant. What a Looser !

  • thepooh5

    Any updates as to who and did what?

    Did I read #173 correctly – she gets to pick who adopts the child? Why does she get to pick anything? She has proven her “pickin skills” suck!!!

  • thepooh5

    Any updates as to who and did what?

    Did I read #173 correctly – she gets to pick who adopts the child? Why does she get to pick anything? She has proven her “pickin skills” suck!!!

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Here is some more information that got reported today. Nothing groundbreaking, but a lot about what investigators were looking for in the house and storage area.

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/14937470/detail.html

  • http://www.dreamindemon.com Morbid

    Here is some more information that got reported today. Nothing groundbreaking, but a lot about what investigators were looking for in the house and storage area.

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/14937470/detail.html

  • thepooh5

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/15059910/detail.html

    They had Riley’s funeral and released pink balloons in her memory. Still saddens me so very much. :(

  • thepooh5

    http://www.click2houston.com/news/15059910/detail.html

    They had Riley’s funeral and released pink balloons in her memory. Still saddens me so very much. :(

  • Unamused Cat

    They just announced that the death penalty is off the table in this case.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5705513.html

  • Unamused Cat

    They just announced that the death penalty is off the table in this case.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5705513.html

  • Angel

    They just announced that the death penalty is off the table in this case.

    That sucks out loud! They both need to be exterminated.

  • Angel

    They just announced that the death penalty is off the table in this case.

    That sucks out loud! They both need to be exterminated.

  • thepooh5

    They just announced that the death penalty is off the table in this case.

    Why in the world, of all people and all states, did they decide NOT to persue the death penalty? For the love of Pete, damn damn and double damn — they left her in a box after all of the abuse and murder.

    Why would they let him off on the death penalty thing and then give it to her? They probably won’t. Why is the death penalty not an option? WHY? WHY? WHY?

    Still no real justice for Riley, no matter what. They are young enough to where their abusing, murdering asses will out live me. I’ve never killed a child – that just doesn’t seem fair. And, just think how many years Texans will have to keep their sorry asses up with their tax money. You know that makes the voters happy. Fire the DA’s ass. Hopefully, if the DP is not going to be an option, that general population will be, for both of those POS.

  • thepooh5

    They just announced that the death penalty is off the table in this case.

    Why in the world, of all people and all states, did they decide NOT to persue the death penalty? For the love of Pete, damn damn and double damn — they left her in a box after all of the abuse and murder.

    Why would they let him off on the death penalty thing and then give it to her? They probably won’t. Why is the death penalty not an option? WHY? WHY? WHY?

    Still no real justice for Riley, no matter what. They are young enough to where their abusing, murdering asses will out live me. I’ve never killed a child – that just doesn’t seem fair. And, just think how many years Texans will have to keep their sorry asses up with their tax money. You know that makes the voters happy. Fire the DA’s ass. Hopefully, if the DP is not going to be an option, that general population will be, for both of those POS.

  • Lizard

    “Saying he was prepared for a backlash from those appalled by the brutality of the crime, [District Attorney] Sistrunk said he was abiding by a 2007 Texas Court of Criminal Appeals ruling that would make it nearly impossible to obtain a death penalty decision that would withstand appeal.

    The ruling concerned a special question required by law that a jury must answer to arrive at a death penalty decision: will the accused be a future danger to society?

    The appeals court ruled in the case of Kenisha Eronda Berry of Beaumont, convicted in the death of her infant son, Malachi, that the slaying of her child was insufficient to prove that she would be a future danger to society.

    Sistrunk said that meant a jury would therefore be unable to find that Zeigler or Trenor would be a future danger to society, excluding the death penalty.”

  • Lizard

    “Saying he was prepared for a backlash from those appalled by the brutality of the crime, [District Attorney] Sistrunk said he was abiding by a 2007 Texas Court of Criminal Appeals ruling that would make it nearly impossible to obtain a death penalty decision that would withstand appeal.

    The ruling concerned a special question required by law that a jury must answer to arrive at a death penalty decision: will the accused be a future danger to society?

    The appeals court ruled in the case of Kenisha Eronda Berry of Beaumont, convicted in the death of her infant son, Malachi, that the slaying of her child was insufficient to prove that she would be a future danger to society.

    Sistrunk said that meant a jury would therefore be unable to find that Zeigler or Trenor would be a future danger to society, excluding the death penalty.”

  • Angel

    What a crock of shit! They are abusers. They will always be abusers. Therefore they will always be a danger to society. Unless you don’t think children qualify as members of society. What a fucked up system.

  • Angel

    What a crock of shit! They are abusers. They will always be abusers. Therefore they will always be a danger to society. Unless you don’t think children qualify as members of society. What a fucked up system.

  • thepooh5

    What a crock of shit! They are abusers. They will always be abusers. Therefore they will always be a danger to society. Unless you don’t think children qualify as members of society. What a fucked up system.

    I second every word, Angel. Why are we worried about what they will do in the future? Look what they have already done. They have committed a crime so heinous that they already deserve the death penalty. Why do they get a “future”? Riley, sure as hell didn’t get a future.

    I know, lets jail them and rehabilitate them, then when they kill someone else, we’ll determine they are a threat to society, at that point. But first, a second person needs to die to satisfy “the future danger” requirement – one tortured, murdered baby left in a plastic box and thrown in the bay, just isn’t enough.

    All together now, BULLSHIT!!!!!

  • thepooh5

    What a crock of shit! They are abusers. They will always be abusers. Therefore they will always be a danger to society. Unless you don’t think children qualify as members of society. What a fucked up system.

    I second every word, Angel. Why are we worried about what they will do in the future? Look what they have already done. They have committed a crime so heinous that they already deserve the death penalty. Why do they get a “future”? Riley, sure as hell didn’t get a future.

    I know, lets jail them and rehabilitate them, then when they kill someone else, we’ll determine they are a threat to society, at that point. But first, a second person needs to die to satisfy “the future danger” requirement – one tortured, murdered baby left in a plastic box and thrown in the bay, just isn’t enough.

    All together now, BULLSHIT!!!!!

  • Mandella

    I think we all have the tendency to wish that worthless fuckers like these would get the death penalty; however, I think maybe we’re being too hasty.

    It costs a lot of money for a state to “off” someone legally. Plus, it’s done in a very humane and hygenic way.

    I’d much rather they NOT get the death penalty, but get double life sentences. It’s more cost effective for the state (believe it or not) to feed them for life than it is to “exterminate” them. PLUS, (and this is the REAL bonus) they’ll be tortured, abused, and hopefully murdered for FREE by their new prison roomies.

    Hell, even if they’re not murdered, I’d rather they spend a miserable lifetime being gang-raped, beaten, etc, etc than to just die so easily by injection or whatever state-approved method.

    Y’know?

  • Mandella

    I think we all have the tendency to wish that worthless fuckers like these would get the death penalty; however, I think maybe we’re being too hasty.

    It costs a lot of money for a state to “off” someone legally. Plus, it’s done in a very humane and hygenic way.

    I’d much rather they NOT get the death penalty, but get double life sentences. It’s more cost effective for the state (believe it or not) to feed them for life than it is to “exterminate” them. PLUS, (and this is the REAL bonus) they’ll be tortured, abused, and hopefully murdered for FREE by their new prison roomies.

    Hell, even if they’re not murdered, I’d rather they spend a miserable lifetime being gang-raped, beaten, etc, etc than to just die so easily by injection or whatever state-approved method.

    Y’know?

  • http://baby-grace.org/ mpratt

    It was one year ago today, that Riley was murdered. There will be a dedication to her today @ 6:00 PM in Gavleston.

    Riley…XOXOXO…

  • http://baby-grace.org mpratt

    It was one year ago today, that Riley was murdered. There will be a dedication to her today @ 6:00 PM in Gavleston.

    Riley…XOXOXO…

  • thepooh5

    The sad part, a year later, there is still no justice for Riley or Rowan or Benjamin, or ……………………………………..

    Its so sad, what a long list of “no justice” deaths to children. :(

  • thepooh5

    The sad part, a year later, there is still no justice for Riley or Rowan or Benjamin, or ……………………………………..

    Its so sad, what a long list of “no justice” deaths to children. :(

  • mm_classy

    The sad part, a year later, there is still no justice for Riley or Rowan or Benjamin, or ……………………………………..

    wow. I cant believe how one sentence just put me right into tears..

    I just wanted to add Alijah to the list.. he’s still one that never leaves my thoughts.

    They ALL deserve justice! But today I’ll send up a specail prayer for Riley.

  • mm_classy

    The sad part, a year later, there is still no justice for Riley or Rowan or Benjamin, or ……………………………………..

    wow. I cant believe how one sentence just put me right into tears..

    I just wanted to add Alijah to the list.. he’s still one that never leaves my thoughts.

    They ALL deserve justice! But today I’ll send up a specail prayer for Riley.

  • thepooh5

    I just wanted to add Alijah to the list.. he’s still one that never leaves my thoughts.

    Yes, poor little Alijah, I couldn’t get his name to come to me, only the faces of that bitch that allowed her penis to leave with him even after he had stated “he needed to get away, because he was afraid he would hurt the child”. Thank you so much for putting his name up there. Why it wouldn’t come to me, I don’t know? I can remember the story, I guess I just hit a “flat spot” for a moment or something.

  • thepooh5

    I just wanted to add Alijah to the list.. he’s still one that never leaves my thoughts.

    Yes, poor little Alijah, I couldn’t get his name to come to me, only the faces of that bitch that allowed her penis to leave with him even after he had stated “he needed to get away, because he was afraid he would hurt the child”. Thank you so much for putting his name up there. Why it wouldn’t come to me, I don’t know? I can remember the story, I guess I just hit a “flat spot” for a moment or something.

  • mm_classy

    Yes, poor little Alijah, I couldn’t get his name to come to me, …. Why it wouldn’t come to me, I don’t know?

    Well Pooh, we just can not remember them ALL. Sadly, there are just way too many. And each one is just as painful.

  • mm_classy

    Yes, poor little Alijah, I couldn’t get his name to come to me, …. Why it wouldn’t come to me, I don’t know?

    Well Pooh, we just can not remember them ALL. Sadly, there are just way too many. And each one is just as painful.

  • thepooh5

    Well Pooh, we just can not remember them ALL. Sadly, there are just way too many. And each one is just as painful.

    What’s worse, I can remember the story and circumstance, but couldn’t get poor Alijah’s name to come. I am shit. He deserves to be remembered for the wonderful child he was – not the parents’ horrific actions. *pooh hangs head in shame*

  • thepooh5

    Well Pooh, we just can not remember them ALL. Sadly, there are just way too many. And each one is just as painful.

    What’s worse, I can remember the story and circumstance, but couldn’t get poor Alijah’s name to come. I am shit. He deserves to be remembered for the wonderful child he was – not the parents’ horrific actions. *pooh hangs head in shame*

  • mm_classy

    oooh, Now I’m crying and just want to give you the biggest hug (((Pooh)))). I read enough on here to know how deeply you care about each one of these cases!

    I would have forgotten to mention Rowan, for some reason. But that one was just as horrific. They all are.

  • mm_classy

    oooh, Now I’m crying and just want to give you the biggest hug (((Pooh)))). I read enough on here to know how deeply you care about each one of these cases!

    I would have forgotten to mention Rowan, for some reason. But that one was just as horrific. They all are.

  • Not So Speechless

    Rest In peace Riley.
    I am crying as well.
    All of these beautiful children- gone. Tragic.

  • Not So Speechless

    Rest In peace Riley.
    I am crying as well.
    All of these beautiful children- gone. Tragic.

  • thepooh5

    oooh, Now I’m crying and just want to give you the biggest hug (((Pooh)))). I read enough on here to know how deeply you care about each one of these cases!

    Thanks classy – I truly appreciate it. And ((hugs)) right back at ya – I think we could all use a good hug right now. I really do care – ask my husband. He gets so frustrated with me and the stories I read on here. But, this stuff has to be addressed, children have to found and saved and protected. I swear, if he says to me one more time, “you don’t even know these people, why are you so tore up?” – I’m gonna pop him right in the chops for even having to ask.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, he cares, he thinks this shit is wrong and he thinks I’m a dingbat for worrying so intensely over it, as if I do have a personal interest. I understand that I don’t, but damn it hurts so bad. I really wake up in the night worrying about the kids I have read about on here. I pray for them. I cry for them. I am bat shit crazy, I guess.

  • thepooh5

    oooh, Now I’m crying and just want to give you the biggest hug (((Pooh)))). I read enough on here to know how deeply you care about each one of these cases!

    Thanks classy – I truly appreciate it. And ((hugs)) right back at ya – I think we could all use a good hug right now. I really do care – ask my husband. He gets so frustrated with me and the stories I read on here. But, this stuff has to be addressed, children have to found and saved and protected. I swear, if he says to me one more time, “you don’t even know these people, why are you so tore up?” – I’m gonna pop him right in the chops for even having to ask.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, he cares, he thinks this shit is wrong and he thinks I’m a dingbat for worrying so intensely over it, as if I do have a personal interest. I understand that I don’t, but damn it hurts so bad. I really wake up in the night worrying about the kids I have read about on here. I pray for them. I cry for them. I am bat shit crazy, I guess.

  • mm_classy

    I go through the same thing with my husband. He cares, but doesn’t get my extreme sense of dispare when I read these stories that just rips me up.

    I have pics of Alijah saved in our computer, and he’s asked me before, why dont you just delete those things.. After giving him my, “Are you fucking crazy” look.. I tell him, seriously hun, his own parents “deleted” his sweet little life! Is it really too much that some one cares enough to keep his pictures and remembers that his life meant something??

    Seems every day I’m either in a rage, or crying over the things I read on here.. I will never compehend how people can hurt children, much less their own child!

  • mm_classy

    I go through the same thing with my husband. He cares, but doesn’t get my extreme sense of dispare when I read these stories that just rips me up.

    I have pics of Alijah saved in our computer, and he’s asked me before, why dont you just delete those things.. After giving him my, “Are you fucking crazy” look.. I tell him, seriously hun, his own parents “deleted” his sweet little life! Is it really too much that some one cares enough to keep his pictures and remembers that his life meant something??

    Seems every day I’m either in a rage, or crying over the things I read on here.. I will never compehend how people can hurt children, much less their own child!

  • thepooh5

    I have pics of Alijah saved in our computer, and he’s asked me before, why dont you just delete those things.. After giving him my, “Are you fucking crazy” look.. I tell him, seriously hun, his own parents “deleted” his sweet little life! Is it really too much that some one cares enough to keep his pictures and remembers that his life meant something??

    MM_CLASSY I don’t know what to say to that – except this, your user name suits you – classy. We’re even now, you just brought tears to my eyes, with that post.

  • thepooh5

    I have pics of Alijah saved in our computer, and he’s asked me before, why dont you just delete those things.. After giving him my, “Are you fucking crazy” look.. I tell him, seriously hun, his own parents “deleted” his sweet little life! Is it really too much that some one cares enough to keep his pictures and remembers that his life meant something??

    MM_CLASSY I don’t know what to say to that – except this, your user name suits you – classy. We’re even now, you just brought tears to my eyes, with that post.

  • http://baby-grace.org/ mpratt

    Saying a prayer today 10/29. it was one year ago today, that the fishermen found you…XOXOXOXO… I hope that he has healed from his hurt as well….Riley WE LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!

  • http://baby-grace.org/ mpratt

    Saying a prayer today 10/29. it was one year ago today, that the fishermen found you…XOXOXOXO… I hope that he has healed from his hurt as well….Riley WE LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!

  • http://baby-grace.org mpratt

    Saying a prayer today 10/29. it was one year ago today, that the fishermen found you…XOXOXOXO… I hope that he has healed from his hurt as well….Riley WE LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!

  • http://baby-grace.org/ mpratt

    Kimberly Tenor trial date is set for 1/27/2009. I can not imagine a harsh enough penatly for something like this, but hopefully Riley and her family get some justice. I hope the truth when it comes out, doesn’t haunt her family & friends.

  • http://baby-grace.org/ mpratt

    Kimberly Tenor trial date is set for 1/27/2009. I can not imagine a harsh enough penatly for something like this, but hopefully Riley and her family get some justice. I hope the truth when it comes out, doesn’t haunt her family & friends.

  • http://baby-grace.org mpratt

    Kimberly Tenor trial date is set for 1/27/2009. I can not imagine a harsh enough penatly for something like this, but hopefully Riley and her family get some justice. I hope the truth when it comes out, doesn’t haunt her family & friends.

  • http://whisperswings.blogspot.com/ whispers_wing

    OMG she was beautiful!!Lets hope the uterus donor and penis rot in hell a very slow painfully long time!!,,RIP,, Riley

  • http://whisperswings.blogspot.com/ whispers_wing

    OMG she was beautiful!!Lets hope the uterus donor and penis rot in hell a very slow painfully long time!!,,RIP,, Riley

  • http://whisperswings.blogspot.com whispers_wing

    OMG she was beautiful!!Lets hope the uterus donor and penis rot in hell a very slow painfully long time!!,,RIP,, Riley

  • Ruby

    Trial got underway today, and you may not want to hear how it opened. I know I didn’t.

    “A slain toddler tried to stop her mother and stepfather from beating her to death by reaching out to her mother and saying, “I love you,” a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.”

    Can you imagine? These monsters were beating her to death and she stretches her arms out to mommy and tells her she loves her? I feel like puking.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-01-27-baby-grace_N.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno

  • Ruby

    Trial got underway today, and you may not want to hear how it opened. I know I didn’t.

    “A slain toddler tried to stop her mother and stepfather from beating her to death by reaching out to her mother and saying, “I love you,” a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.”

    Can you imagine? These monsters were beating her to death and she stretches her arms out to mommy and tells her she loves her? I feel like puking.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-01-27-baby-grace_N.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno

  • Ruby

    Trial got underway today, and you may not want to hear how it opened. I know I didn’t.

    “A slain toddler tried to stop her mother and stepfather from beating her to death by reaching out to her mother and saying, “I love you,” a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday.”

    Can you imagine? These monsters were beating her to death and she stretches her arms out to mommy and tells her she loves her? I feel like puking.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-01-27-baby-grace_N.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno

  • Athena

    My GOD.

    A bullet to the back of each head would be a suitable sentence, in my opinion.

  • Athena

    My GOD.

    A bullet to the back of each head would be a suitable sentence, in my opinion.

  • Athena

    My GOD.

    A bullet to the back of each head would be a suitable sentence, in my opinion.

  • http://baby-grace.org/ mpratt

    Royce will be going on Trial 10/21/09.. MFer.

  • http://baby-grace.org/ mpratt

    Royce will be going on Trial 10/21/09.. MFer.

  • http://baby-grace.org mpratt

    Royce will be going on Trial 10/21/09.. MFer.

  • MadeaBecBec

    Fisherman Robert Spinn found Rileys body, two years ago today and testified this morning at Zeiglers trial.

    The container was found Oct. 29, 2007, by fisherman Robert Spinn of Bayou Vista.

    Spinn told the jury Thursday he was fishing for flounder when he happened upon an island just southwest of Harborwalk Marina in Hitchcock.

    Using a beam of light to navigate his boat, he saw an overturned, blue, plastic container that had apparently washed up on the island. Spinn rolled it over and heard a thud.

    Spinn used pliers to open the bags. He said he knew something inside was dead.

    “I felt around with my hands until I felt something hard,” Spinn said. “I opened up the other end of the bag and there happened to be a shoe.”

    Spinn called his wife and then 911. Investigators spent the next 26 days trying to learn the name of the girl they called Baby Grace.

    Source

  • MadeaBecBec

    Fisherman Robert Spinn found Rileys body, two years ago today and testified this morning at Zeiglers trial.

    The container was found Oct. 29, 2007, by fisherman Robert Spinn of Bayou Vista.

    Spinn told the jury Thursday he was fishing for flounder when he happened upon an island just southwest of Harborwalk Marina in Hitchcock.

    Using a beam of light to navigate his boat, he saw an overturned, blue, plastic container that had apparently washed up on the island. Spinn rolled it over and heard a thud.

    Spinn used pliers to open the bags. He said he knew something inside was dead.

    “I felt around with my hands until I felt something hard,” Spinn said. “I opened up the other end of the bag and there happened to be a shoe.”

    Spinn called his wife and then 911. Investigators spent the next 26 days trying to learn the name of the girl they called Baby Grace.

    Source

  • MadeaBecBec

    Sheryl Sawyers testified today, too! She had sent an email to Riley with a picture of her new half brother, on the day she was found.

    “I have attached a picture of your new stepbrother Braden Michael Sawyers,” Sheryl Sawyers wrote. “Hopefully your mother will let you see it. I miss you Riley, and love you very much and hope to see you soon. Love and Kisses . Grandma Sawyers.”

    The email is dated October 29th 2007. Riley was found in that box on that island that very same night.

    *sob*
    Source

  • MadeaBecBec

    Sheryl Sawyers testified today, too! She had sent an email to Riley with a picture of her new half brother, on the day she was found.

    “I have attached a picture of your new stepbrother Braden Michael Sawyers,” Sheryl Sawyers wrote. “Hopefully your mother will let you see it. I miss you Riley, and love you very much and hope to see you soon. Love and Kisses . Grandma Sawyers.”

    The email is dated October 29th 2007. Riley was found in that box on that island that very same night.

    *sob*
    Source

  • MadeaBecBec

    Sheryl Sawyers testified today, too! She had sent an email to Riley with a picture of her new half brother, on the day she was found.

    “I have attached a picture of your new stepbrother Braden Michael Sawyers,” Sheryl Sawyers wrote. “Hopefully your mother will let you see it. I miss you Riley, and love you very much and hope to see you soon. Love and Kisses . Grandma Sawyers.”

    The email is dated October 29th 2007. Riley was found in that box on that island that very same night.

    *sob*
    Source

  • MadeaBecBec

    Today, Riley Ann Sawyers, would have turned five, smiling up at Dad, as he gave her the gifts she had possibly chosen. Instead, she celebrates in heaven and we, here, have been robbed of a beautiful and precious gift! :(